Dear Listers I have just joined your list in the hope that someone may be able to point me in the right direction for finding death/burial records or information in general about the time period of 1860's. I have a William SHAW b 1831 in Scotland, parents Alexander & Margaret SHAW. William died aged 33 at Carricou 9 Oct 1864. I have no idea when or why he went to Carricou, whether he was in the army or on business but would be delighted to hear from anyone. Kind regards Joan in NSW, Australia -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 827 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

Hi List, I came across this baptism by chance and thought it might be of interest to someone on this list. It is: James Thomas Nurse, b 8 Nov 1811, chr 18 Dec 1811, St James Parish, Bristol, England, son of Joshua Bushell and Catherine Nurse of Barbados. regards Madeleine -- Madeleine E Mitchell, Dunnellon, FL 34432-2795, Home URL http://users.pullman.com/mitchelm/jamaica.htm World Gen Web Jamaica URL http://www.rootsweb.com/~jamwgw/index.htm

I found two useful websites: http://www.caribbeanaircrew-ww2.com/ For details about Caribbean air crews in WW2 http://caribbeanrollofhonour-ww1-ww2.yolasite.com/ List of BWIR war dead and where they are buried or memorialised Rory

I have almost finished reading the book: When Banana Was King: The Life and Times of Jamaican "Banana King" Alfred Constantine Goffe (Paperback) http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/9768202238/ref=tag_dpp_yt_edpp_rt?ie=UTF8&s=books#tags It is packed full of information on the major players in the banana industry in St Mary and Portland. Names such as GOFFE, SILVERA, CLEMETSON, WHITE, LINDO, WALKER, MCGREGOR, and MAGNUS etc. Also talks of a mixed race CLEMETSON who was an officer in the World War 1 and is buried on the Somme. This would make him the second non white officer I have heard of from the Caribbean. Rory

Thanks Chris. Sher At 06:12 PM 31/05/2010 -0400, you wrote: >Hi Sher > >You seem fine, your message came through so the bounces had not yet tripped >the eject function! >It has been very quiet of late.... > >Good hunting > >ChrisCod > > *************************** >The Caribbean List now has a Resources Page at Historic Antigua and >Barbuda http://www.rootsweb.com/~atgwgw/ >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >CARIBBEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2908 - Release Date: 05/31/10 >06:25:00

Hi Sher You seem fine, your message came through so the bounces had not yet tripped the eject function! It has been very quiet of late.... Good hunting ChrisCod

Hello all: Over the weekend our server was working on their system and it appears as if some of my mail went astray - it likely bounced back to the list. I hope I am not un-subbed from any lists. Sher Leetooze, Bowmanville, Ont.

All, I am going to the Somme battlefields in France this weekend. I will be on the look out for BWIR gravestones to photograph. If anyone knows of any West Indians who served in the BWIR or any other regiment and is buried near the Somme. Please let me know and will do my best to photograph the grave and surrounding area. Regards Rory

When you're researching your family tree, one of the many wonderful resources is your local library or genealogical research centre. Larger libraries often have a dedicated area for this type of research; but even the smaller ones can prove useful when used effectively. This article will explain what you're likely to find at these centres, and how to make the most of them. If - like me - you tend to use these resources when you're travelling or short on time, this will come in very handy indeed. What are family tree research centres? Before we dive in to the various ways to optimise your study time, let's take a brief look at the centres themselves. What they are, and what to expect when you get there. Libraries : within many libraries is a collection of records which are ideal for researching your family tree. Whilst larger libraries will usually have a dedicated area for this type of study; even the smaller libraries will often contain relevant records and information. Libraries may contain some or all of the following : registers of births, deaths and marriages copies of newspapers telephone and occupation directories street atlases maps historic photographs As these records are generally stored on media such as microfiche and CD, relevant equipment is provided in order to read / print these. More recent versions of these machines also enable the records to be emailed to a relevant person, or to be saved on a USB drive. Dedicated research centres : Although these are often similar to the genealogical sections of major libraries, there are a couple of subtle differences. These are : they tend to focus on the local area, and contain everything from council rate books to collections of historic newspapers and photographs they are often staffed by volunteers, who can assist you in your research Generally, I make use of both types of facilities. Libraries help with basic information, and dedicated research centres add colour to the lives of my ancestors. Where they worked, how they lived and so on. Planning your research trip As with any period of research, a bit of planning goes a long way to getting the most out of it. Before heading down to your local library or research centre, consider the following : Print out all the material you currently have, and take it with you. This includes the dates of birth/marriage/death of the family members you are tracing, brief bios and a copy of the known family tree. Compile a list of specific questions. When you first arrive at the centre, it's great to be able to pull up a chair and dive straight in. Having a list of questions will ensure you stay focused, and are able to methodically work through the area you're tracing. Focus on a fairly small number of people. This number will obviously vary with the amount of time you have available, but for my own research, I try to keep the list to a maximum of 20 or so. When you arrive, a couple of other things to keep in mind : Use the things which aren't easily available elsewhere. If you've travelled to a small town's research centre, look up information which is specific to the area. Copies of local newspapers, old photographs of the area, and elements of social history (local events such as floods, crimes and accidents). It's also worth talking to the people who run the centre, as they have (in many cases) lived in the area for some time. Find out the exact locations of local sites. After a few hours in the research centre, you'll probably want to visit local churches, cemeteries/crematoria, houses and places of work. Find out where they are, and how to get there. In the case of cemeteries/crematoria, the more information on plots; the better. Final thoughts on making the most of libraries and family tree research centres As you can see, the simplest way to make your research time effective is to plan your trip. A bit of preparation can really pay off - and when you're paying by the hour or day, this makes a huge difference. Find Out The Truth About Almost Anyone - http://psearchvi.hit.to/

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I've just joined your list and I hope you won't think me cheeky for asking some questions straight away about my gggrandfather, an African American called Joseph Ledger, supposedly born in Philadelphia in about 1844. Joseph, if that's his true name has become a family mystery. I won't bore you with too many details but getting to the point, I can't help but notice how similar his life story is to Sargano Alicamousa, the lion tamer from St Vincent. So much so that I'm wondering if they are the same person. The date of birth is slightly different, Alicamousa being born in 1859, however as I cannot confirm Joseph's date of birth I can't yet discount Alicamousa from my research. The one date I can confirm is that Joseph married in Norwich,England in 1866. If I could confirm that Alicamousa was definitely born in 1859 I think I might have to accept that they are two different people. The similarities are that Joseph left a hand written biography, as did Alicamousa, detailing events in their lives. Both were lion tamers, both worked in the north of England and both worked with Wombwell's Circus. Joseph used the stage name of 'Ledger Delmonico' and worked in Paris at the 'Folies Bergere', Alicamousa worked in Paris. Joseph says that in his early years he went to school in the USA, then joined the 27th Pennsylvania Regiment in 1861 before being disbanded in 1862/3. He then travelled to Africa where he purchased lions for his stage act. Alicamousa relates that he went to England with a British Naval Officer who had befriended him on St Vincent. That they went to Africa and they hunted for Lion cubs to bring back home to England. When Joseph first went to England, he married a German menagerie owner's daughter and gave up the circus life to run a tobacconist's shop in Southampton. He soon grew bored and says that he went to France and fought at the Battle of Sedan during the Franco German war. He says that the French government offered him a pension and that he won medals. Alicamousa says that he performed [in the circus] at Sedan. In the photographs I have seen of Alicamousa his jacket is covered with medals. It's odd that no-one seems to know what became of Alicamousa... ..Joseph died in England in 1901, having spent many years away from his family, travelling with various circus, eventually turning his hand to acting in Bolton,England. In the census returns of 1871 and 1881 he appears to be 'married' or accompanied by different women who claim to be his wives. On the 1881 census he uses his stage name on the census, instead of his proper name. This leads me to believe that there must've been reasons why he did this, although at the moment I have no clue as to why this might be. I realise that Joseph may have elaborated and even misled his family with tales of his exploits, however there are so many similarities between these 2 men and the 'biographies' they left behind that I have to ask if anyone can throw any light on Alicamousa, other than the details that I've found on the SVG website. Best wishes Lyn

Hello, I am new to the list. I am searching for any information on my great grandfather James Burgess Simpson. Until recently I didn't even know his full name. His wife who was from England died after giving birth to my grandmother in Philadelphia, USA and so eventually my grandmother was sent home to the UK to live with her mother's family. She never heard from her father again. On his marriage application in Philadelphia, James stated that he was born in the West Indies in 1842. My grandmother always said that her father was from a Scottish family and told us she was part Indian. We always thought she meant North American Indian but obviously we now know she must have meant West Indian. I wasn't sure where to start searching for James but on the LDS IGI site I found records of a John Burgess Simpson & a George Burgess Simpson of Saint Andrew and Saint Michael, Barbados. John Burgess Simpson & Isabella Jane Martindale were the parents of George born in 1872. I had wondered if James could have been the brother of John who was born in 1845 to John Francis Simpson & Frances Jane Walcott. John Francis was a planter and lived in Cane Garden St Andrew. If indeed James was part of this family perhaps he was from another relationship outside of the marriage. I have no idea when James came to the US as I cannot find him on any ships list. I am hoping that someone recognizes this family and can help me further or if anyone has any ideas where I could research further I would be grateful. Thank you, Debbie

Hi Sher, Unfortunately this is going to be quite difficult because the LDS or Mormon church has not filmed Dissenter _Birth_ records for 1855-1869, if they were indeed made. The _Marriage_ records according to the 1754 English Law as well as in Jamaica had to be registered by the Anglican church, which is why there are Dissenter Marriage records in the Spanish Town repository and they have been microfilmed by the LDS. The Dissenter Marriage records are listed in the Film Notes of the Church records of the Salt Lake City Family History center Near the Bottom of this Page link <http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titlefilmnotes&columns=*%2C0%2C0&titleno=255086&disp=Parish+register+transcripts++> and also on Patricia Jackson's free page of Corrected Film Numbers See near the bottom of this page link. <http://jamaicanfamilysearch.com/Samples/fhclist.htm> Please note what they say about _the indexes_ to the Dissenter Marriage Records, they are incomplete. Patricia gives detailed notes on where Dissenter indexes are given on the films. The headers of the content films themselves indicate quite an overlap of dates, so that you will have to view and search several films to find the dates you are seeking. As you probably know the FHLibrary near you does charge a small fee to order each film for viewing at their Centers. So although it would not reach the level of a researcher in Jamaica it would still involve some cost, besides getting to the library. The abortive attempt (to emulate the UK which started in 1837) at Civil Registration of Births in 1844-1851 is listed on the same page links above under "Parish Registers/Civil Registers" at the last two entries on the bottom of the first page (in the first link) and before Wills (in the second link) . Births Vol 1 &2, 1844-1846 and Births Vol 4, 1847-1851 Patricia also gives a number for a vol 3 , 1845-1849 and a number for Birth Index Vols 1-4... These however do not cover the dates you seek, but would include Dissenter (i.e. Non Anglican/Episcopalian) births as well as Anglican. I note that Elisha Penrose was a United Free Methodist pastor in 1865 this means that he would probably not have baptized his children in the Wesleyan Methodist Baptismal records which Patricia Jackson has transcribed on her site. I do not know if the United Free Methodist church deposited any records at the National Archives in Spanish Town, Jamaica and unfortunately their web site is under construction, so I cannot look at their holdings . However they do have a postal mail address and an email address given below. You might consider writing to them to see if they have any United Free Methodist records of Baptisms. ( In 1865, I see that the United Free Methodist Church was quite small in Jamaica with about 1000 members and 60, 000 in England. So I expect that in1855 it would have been even smaller). *The Jamaica Archives and Records Department is presently upgrading its website. Bear with us as we improve our online presence. In the mean time we still can be contacted at :* *Jamaica Archives* Corner of King and Manchester Streets, Spanish Town, Saint Catherine, Jamaica *Telephone:* (876) 984-5001 *Fax:* (876)984-8254 *email :* jarchives@jard.gov.jm I do not see a United Methodist Church listed in the Infobel Current Yellow pages of Jamaican Churches Infobel Link <http://www.infobel.com/en/world/Teldir.aspx?Ct=North%20America%20and%20Caribbean&Co=Jamaica&Dn=Caribbean%20OnLine%20Yellowpages&url=http://www.caribbeanonlineyellowpages.com/country/country_3.html> so I do not think you will be able to phone or write a present day church to see if they still have records from this time, but you can look for yourself. If Pastor Penrose came from England, then the best source of Methodist Records is the John Rylands University Library in Manchester, England Methodist Records at John Rylands <http://www.library.manchester.ac.uk/specialcollections/collections/methodist/> link. They do not say that they do own United Free Methodist Records, but there is no harm in asking the Assistant Archivist by email who is listed in the link. If Elisha Penrose came from the United States which the fact that he married a native of New Jersey suggests, then you could Google the United Free Methodist Church in the US. You will also find some information on the Methodist Churches on the Wikipedia site. I should also say that Elisha Penrose is listed in Kingston and St Andrew Parishes on Patricia's site so you will have other parishes to search in besides Clarendon. I hope some of this helps. Madeleine On 5/6/2010 1:27 PM, Sher Leetooze wrote: > Hello Listers: > I am searching for a repository for documentation from Clarendon Parish, > Jamaica - covering the years 1855-1869 at least. > My husband's ancestor, Elisha PENROSE was a Methodist minister at Clarendon > between those years. He may have married there to Sophia Unknown (who was > originally from New Jersey, USA)...they may have had a son Richard Elisha > Penrose - how can this be proved? > Many thanks to anyone who can point me in the direction needed. No places > where I have to hire a researcher please, as I am on a very fixed income > and can't afford things like that. > > Sher > Ontario, Canada > > *************************** > The Caribbean List now has a Resources Page at Historic Antigua and Barbudahttp://www.rootsweb.com/~atgwgw/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email toCARIBBEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -- Madeleine E Mitchell, Dunnellon, FL 34432-2795, Home URLhttp://users.pullman.com/mitchelm/jamaica.htm World Gen Web Jamaica URLhttp://www.rootsweb.com/~jamwgw/index.htm

Hello everyone, I trust I am using the correct address to make a query. I would like to find out something about a William Williams of Jamaica, who had a daughter Sarah. She, in the latter part of the 1770s, married her widowed cousin, Thomas Williams, who originally built The House of Good Hope, Jamaica. William Williams had Arms, showing three Moors heads.. Is there anyone who can help me, or guide me, especially any with info about descendants of theirs, please? Hopefully, Dilys Xavier. UK

Could you view that particular Google Book? It gives some indications. Just Google "Moor's Head" + "Coat of Arms," and you'll come up with lots of differing opinons. I've seen it associated with the Island of Corsica and on another site, with Ireland, and on another site Bavaria, and on another site associated with the name Moore. There are more (pardon the pun). So I guess the question would be when and where the coat of arms appears. I'd guess one on a document from the 1700s would be authentic, while I'd tend to doubt the coats of arms sold to unsuspecting holders of that particular surname in the 1900s. Laura On May 6, 2010, at 2:46 PM, Joan Seymour wrote: That's very interesting! what does it mean?? Joan Joan T.Seymour, Consultant lwa101@comcast.net wrote: > William Williams had Arms, showing three Moors heads.. > > Very interesting! > > For info on the Moor's head, check out the Google book > Encyclopædia of heraldry: or General armory of England, Scotland, > and ... > > By John Burke, Sir Bernard Burke > > Search "Moor's head" (singular). > > It seems there is a lot of discussion of this symbol, and much depends > upon its accoutrements--whether a turban, whether necklace and > earrings, whether right-facing or silhouette. > > > Cheers, > Laura > > > > *************************** > The Caribbean List now has a Resources Page at Historic Antigua and > Barbuda http://www.rootsweb.com/~atgwgw/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARIBBEAN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > > *************************** The Caribbean List now has a Resources Page at Historic Antigua and Barbuda http://www.rootsweb.com/~atgwgw/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARIBBEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

That's very interesting! what does it mean?? Joan Joan T.Seymour, Consultant lwa101@comcast.net wrote: > William Williams had Arms, showing three Moors heads.. > > Very interesting! > > For info on the Moor's head, check out the Google book > Encyclopædia of heraldry: or General armory of England, Scotland, > and ... > > By John Burke, Sir Bernard Burke > > Search "Moor's head" (singular). > > It seems there is a lot of discussion of this symbol, and much depends > upon its accoutrements--whether a turban, whether necklace and > earrings, whether right-facing or silhouette. > > > Cheers, > Laura > > > > *************************** > The Caribbean List now has a Resources Page at Historic Antigua and Barbuda http://www.rootsweb.com/~atgwgw/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARIBBEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi List, I am putting up some new parish maps of Jamaica taken from a 1888/1905/1927 map on the World Gen Web Jamaica site. They show quite a bit of detail about estates and places in Jamaica. The map was worn in places after heavy use by my Dad and Granddad for Work, but was restored by a map conservator in England. The map was photographed by my brother-in-law Keith Crook and sent to me as .jpg files. I have made them Zoomable so that you can see the detail in these rather large files. The Zoomify technique requires Adobe Flash Content (the latest Flash add-on from Adobe is 10.0.45) Internet Explorer-32 bit browser may warn you about Active-Content. It has been tested in Firefox, Opera, Chrome, Internet Explorer 32 bit, and Safari. Please let me know if you have problems viewing the maps, since I cannot anticipate all the configurations you might have for your computers. Oh yes, the URL for the Maps is:Jamaica 1927 Maps <http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/%7Ejamwgw/jammaps.htm> (For the entrance to the WorldGen Web site see below in my signature). Please note: as of today, I have only put up the Western parishes so far in the County of Cornwall. I will put up the rest gradually as time allows. Madeleine -- Madeleine E Mitchell, Dunnellon, FL 34432-2795, Home URLhttp://users.pullman.com/mitchelm/jamaica.htm World Gen Web Jamaica URLhttp://www.rootsweb.com/~jamwgw/index.htm

Hi Dilys, I think if you have not done so already, you will want to check Patricia Jackson's site at:JamaicanFamilySearch <http://jamaicanfamilysearch.com> There are many Williams hits on the site. Do you know a parish? It is a subscription site, but worth it at $8.00 for a month or $70 per year Subscribe Page <https://www.keysecure.com/jamaicanfamilysearch.com/Subscribe/subscribe.htm>. ( You can do the search before subscribing, and determine the hits, but to see the content you need to subscribe unless there is a free page.) Madeleine On 5/6/2010 11:01 AM, Dilys Xavier wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I trust I am using the correct address to make a query. > > I would like to find out something about a William Williams of Jamaica, who had a daughter Sarah. She, in the latter part of the 1770s, married her widowed cousin, Thomas Williams, who originally built The House of Good Hope, Jamaica. > > William Williams had Arms, showing three Moors heads.. > > Is there anyone who can help me, or guide me, especially any with info about descendants of theirs, please? > > Hopefully, > Dilys Xavier. UK > *************************** > The Caribbean List now has a Resources Page at Historic Antigua and Barbuda http://www.rootsweb.com/~atgwgw/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARIBBEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -- Madeleine E Mitchell, Dunnellon, FL 34432-2795, Home URL http://users.pullman.com/mitchelm/jamaica.htm World Gen Web Jamaica URL http://www.rootsweb.com/~jamwgw/index.htm

Hello Listers: I am searching for a repository for documentation from Clarendon Parish, Jamaica - covering the years 1855-1869 at least. My husband's ancestor, Elisha PENROSE was a Methodist minister at Clarendon between those years. He may have married there to Sophia Unknown (who was originally from New Jersey, USA)...they may have had a son Richard Elisha Penrose - how can this be proved? Many thanks to anyone who can point me in the direction needed. No places where I have to hire a researcher please, as I am on a very fixed income and can't afford things like that. Sher Ontario, Canada

William Williams had Arms, showing three Moors heads.. Very interesting! For info on the Moor's head, check out the Google book Encyclopædia of heraldry: or General armory of England, Scotland, and ... By John Burke, Sir Bernard Burke Search "Moor's head" (singular). It seems there is a lot of discussion of this symbol, and much depends upon its accoutrements--whether a turban, whether necklace and earrings, whether right-facing or silhouette. Cheers, Laura