Hi Madeleine and Dorothy Oh boy goodies to look forward to! I wish I could tell you just how much I have gleaned over the years from maps..... Always surprises me that some of the museum collections have not exploited their maps collections for income by offering marked and digitized versions on-line... British Museum and PRO could easily offer such things in superb form . it's all about those hard to maintain budgets I'm afraid. Cod

In message <mailman.705.1278755694.3594.caribbean@rootsweb.com>, Lue Bowes-McCutcheon <lbowesmccutcheon@rogers.com> writes >I think this is the site that was referred to in the article on the >labor web site. > >Lue > >http://jamaicanfamilysearch.com/images/phnlj.htm The URL above is for a page on Jamaican Family Search which has pictures of the National Library of Jamaica. It is nothing to do with the Library itself. As there is likely to be major upheaval in consequence of the launch of this new service, it's likely that the NLJ site is temporarily unavailable. -- Jenny "I always like to have the morning well-aired before I get up." (Beau Brummel, 1778-1840)

Hi Dorothy and Chris and list Thanks for the enthusiastic pointer to the Zoomable maps on the WorldGenWeb Jamaica site, Dorothy. I unfortunately have not put up the Eastern part of the island yet, which I am sure is the focus of Chris' interest. (Portland, St Thomas in the East). I am not at home right now but in MA visiting my sister so cannot get right to it and finish the writing of the code. But I will get to it as soon as I get back. Madeleine E. Mitchell Dunnellon, FL 34432-2795 Home Page:http://users.pullman.com/mitch elm/jamaica.htm, World GenWeb Jamaica Page:http://www.rootsweb.com/~jamwg w/index.htm ________________________________ From: Dorothy Kew <dkew@cogeco.ca> To: caribbean@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, July 10, 2010 8:52:02 AM Subject: Re: [Carib] National Library of Jamaica Gone Digital Chris is correct. There are a number of photos also available through Flickr. I was disappointed in what was actually available on the NLJ website. Chris, if you are looking for estates and properties, take a look at Madeleine Mitchell's Genealogy of Jamaica webpage where she has some great maps from 1927 which can be zoomed and which have numerous properties listed. It's at http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~jamwgw/jammaps.htm Scroll down the page till you get to the list of 1927 maps, which are divided up various parishes. Dorothy ----- Original Message ----- From: "CM Codrington" <cmcod@optimum.net> To: <caribbean@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [Carib] National Library of Jamaica Gone Digital > Hi Dorothy and all > > I don't know if anyone has tested the NLJ site but in a brief test of the > "estate maps" database presumably on line it is clear the digitization > project is far from complete. > > And does not come close to containing the huge collection of maps and > surveys in their collection. So if searching by this means keep in mind it > is incomplete. I ran tests on several key properties in Portland and St > Thomas which I know to be on various well known survey maps of the 19th > century and some yield data and some do not. > There are also no call numbers coming up. > > Researcher beware.... > > Cod > > *************************** > The Caribbean List now has a Resources Page at Historic Antigua and > Barbuda http://www.rootsweb.com/~atgwgw/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CARIBBEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message *************************** The Caribbean List now has a Resources Page at Historic Antigua and Barbuda http://www.rootsweb.com/~atgwgw/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARIBBEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Chris is correct. There are a number of photos also available through Flickr. I was disappointed in what was actually available on the NLJ website. Chris, if you are looking for estates and properties, take a look at Madeleine Mitchell's Genealogy of Jamaica webpage where she has some great maps from 1927 which can be zoomed and which have numerous properties listed. It's at http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~jamwgw/jammaps.htm Scroll down the page till you get to the list of 1927 maps, which are divided up various parishes. Dorothy ----- Original Message ----- From: "CM Codrington" <cmcod@optimum.net> To: <caribbean@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [Carib] National Library of Jamaica Gone Digital > Hi Dorothy and all > > I don't know if anyone has tested the NLJ site but in a brief test of the > "estate maps" database presumably on line it is clear the digitization > project is far from complete. > > And does not come close to containing the huge collection of maps and > surveys in their collection. So if searching by this means keep in mind it > is incomplete. I ran tests on several key properties in Portland and St > Thomas which I know to be on various well known survey maps of the 19th > century and some yield data and some do not. > There are also no call numbers coming up. > > Researcher beware.... > > Cod > > *************************** > The Caribbean List now has a Resources Page at Historic Antigua and > Barbuda http://www.rootsweb.com/~atgwgw/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CARIBBEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Dorothy and all I don't know if anyone has tested the NLJ site but in a brief test of the "estate maps" database presumably on line it is clear the digitization project is far from complete. And does not come close to containing the huge collection of maps and surveys in their collection. So if searching by this means keep in mind it is incomplete. I ran tests on several key properties in Portland and St Thomas which I know to be on various well known survey maps of the 19th century and some yield data and some do not. There are also no call numbers coming up. Researcher beware.... Cod

I found that too! It took me quite a while to find the website of the National Library of Jamaica. It does not appear to be indexed by Google. I found it in a completely roundabout way. It's http://www.nlj.gov.jm/ Dorothy ----- Original Message ----- From: "NancyFfrench" <kandn.atkinson@gmail.com> Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.west-indies To: <caribbean@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 4:57 AM Subject: Re: [Carib] National Library of Jamaica Gone Digital On Jul 10, 3:21 am, Spring <spr...@surfbvi.com> wrote: > A large number of the National Library of Jamaica's historic documents > are now accessible on its website and being augmented by other material > about Jamaica culled from the Internet. It is great news that this > exciting development has now "gone live". > My wife and I will certainly be finding out more about this project from > Dr. Hazel Bennett, a friend from way back.. > > Peter Moll > Tortola, BVI > > National Library of Jamaica Gone Digital > > With the click of a mouse in the comfort of their homes, Jamaicans can > now access historical materials, including maps, photographs and plans, > which are stored on the website of the National Library of Jamaica (NLJ). > <http://www.jis.gov.jm/labour/html/20100706T170000-0500_24585_JIS_NATI...> The link you quoted is to Jamaica inf services. On that page is a link to the National Library. Click on it and you get webpage "www.nlj.org.jm" cannot be found. What address are you using to get 8into the Library website plse? nancy Ffrench *************************** The Caribbean List now has a Resources Page at Historic Antigua and Barbuda http://www.rootsweb.com/~atgwgw/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARIBBEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Nancy I think this is the site that was referred to in the article on the labor web site. Lue http://jamaicanfamilysearch.com/images/phnlj.htm -----Original Message----- From: caribbean-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:caribbean-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of NancyFfrench Sent: July 10, 2010 5:57 AM To: caribbean@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Carib] National Library of Jamaica Gone Digital On Jul 10, 3:21 am, Spring <spr...@surfbvi.com> wrote: > A large number of the National Library of Jamaica's historic documents > are now accessible on its website and being augmented by other material > about Jamaica culled from the Internet. It is great news that this > exciting development has now "gone live". > My wife and I will certainly be finding out more about this project from > Dr. Hazel Bennett, a friend from way back.. > > Peter Moll > Tortola, BVI > >       National Library of Jamaica Gone Digital > > With the click of a mouse in the comfort of their homes, Jamaicans can > now access historical materials, including maps, photographs and plans, > which are stored on the website of the National Library of Jamaica (NLJ). > <http://www.jis.gov.jm/labour/html/20100706T170000-0500_24585_JIS_NATI...> The link you quoted is to Jamaica inf services. On that page is a link to the National Library. Click on it and you get webpage "www.nlj.org.jm" cannot be found. What address are you using to get 8into the Library website plse? nancy Ffrench *************************** The Caribbean List now has a Resources Page at Historic Antigua and Barbuda http://www.rootsweb.com/~atgwgw/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARIBBEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On Jul 8, 6:13 am, "Heather" <lai...@nowhere.invalid> wrote: > Hi Nancy....... > > I am a lurker on here now but about 10 years ago, I was researching the > Ffrench surname for a friend in Australia.  He would then pass the info on > to a friend of his wife.......she was the Ffrench descendant.  My last name > also starts with an "F", so it was no problem to look for them in the LDS > films. > > Dorothy Kew would be able to help you..........and as it is 1 am here in > Canada, I hope I make sense with the following.  If you are looking for a > "staunch catholic" in the mid 1850's, you won't find him in the LDS records. > They are 95% Church of England.  And the period from 1870 to 1800 (Law 6) is > missing a lot of records........and those that were not C of E, but perhaps > Baptist or Methodist at that time........well, there is no LDS copy of those > *dissenter records*. > > I know the above because my husband's grandfather was born around 1876 to > 1877, but no sign of him or his sister.......the other children were born > after 1880 and Civil Registration was now the order of the day. > > I have been intending to get back to the LDS (hit brick walls and gave up > about 5 years ago), but now that they have catalogued the churches in Spain, > may have a look for my surname in the 1700's. > > Best of luck.........Heather Figueroa > > "NancyFfrench" <kandn.atkin...@gmail.com> wrote in message > > news:5ec855cb-a7cf-45ea-8d81-d71b3e36e9dc@j4g2000yqh.googlegroups.com... > > > Has anyone had success in contacting the Jamaica Archives, King & > > Manchester Streets,  in Spanish Town?. (Not the Registrars Dept in > > Twickenham Park). We have sent numerous emails to > > jarchi...@jard.gov.jm without success. Does anyone know the name/email > > of a human employed there?Their website has been "Under construction" > > for yonks! > > > Alternatively can anyone help with this query we sent to them re " > > missing persons"? (None of these baptisms can be found in LDS films) > > Does anyone do lookups in Jamaica? > > > We seek the baptism records of the supposed children of George Ffrench > > and his wife, Eliza Minot,married in Portland on January 4,1849 -- > > George Ffrench was the Clerk of the Vestry for the parish of Portland > > & a Tax Collector -- we found the baptism record of their first child, > > Robert Burke Ffrench in Port Antonio on October 31, 1849. Robert died > > six months later and was buried in Port Antonio on May 4, 1850. But > > other sources, particularly the Gleaner, show they had at least four > > other children, possibly 5: > > > 1) Ann M who was  a signatory along with her mother Eliza Ffrench and > > sister Emily Letitia Ffrench in the thankyou  letter to Governor Eyre, > > January 1, 1866  from the ladies of Port Antonio & Manchioneal-- per > > Google Books. > > > 2) Emily Letitia or Letitia Emily  According to a Gleaner excerpt of > > her death from typhoid in 1869 she was  the second daughter of George > > Ffrench, aged 16 years, which would mean she must have been born in > > 1853.We found her burial record in Portland but have not been able to > > find a baptismal record for her.  Her burial record says she was 13 > > implying a birth year of 1856 > > > 3)Edward Shafto Ffrench, he is described in a series of articles in > > the Gleaner in 1897 concerning a court case, as the son of George > > Ffrench. He was a tax collector per  the Blue Books; supposedly born > > about 1855 -but no baptism record > > > 4)Alfred Ernest Ffrench, supposedly born about 1861, who is described > > in the Who's Who of 1916 as a son of George and Eliza Ffrench.He was a > > JP,MP and received the MBE award in WW1-- the Who's Who described > > Alfred as a"staunch Roman Catholic".So he's a VIP ! But has no baptism > > record > > > 5)Arthur George Ffrench, who fathered my  grandfather, Ernest Ffrench > > in 1876 , by one Jane Victoria Smith, baptised in Spanish Town, St. > > Catherine. They were not married and in fact Arthur married a Frances > > Glave not long after and settled in Manchester. Arthur was employed as > > a clerk in St. Catherine, and appears, from what records we've found, > > to have been born about 1851 -- again not found. He got into some kind > > of trouble in his position and left Jamaica precipitously and settled > > in London, England, where he died in 1905.  He appears in the 1891 > > English census where his birthplace is given as Jamaica, West Indies. > > We guess he may be the son of George Ffrench, though it's quite > > possible he might have been the son of George's brother, Edward > > Ffrench, > > > It seems strange that the baptism records of quite a prominent family > > should be missing. > > > Does anyone have any ideas what we can do if the Archives dont > > respond?  Thanks Nancy ffrench Thanks Heather We already know Dorothy Kew who is a star! We also know that LDS doesnt include Catholics& dissenters at that time but most of the family seem to have been Anglicans so thats not the reason we cant find the records. We think they are missing from the LDS films but the originals may still be in the Archives. The good news is that despite Jamaica Archives email address per their website is jarchives@jard.gov.jm the first 2 characters are actually upper case! ie JArchives@jard.gov.jm. Halleluia! Nancy PS Where in Canada are you?

On Jul 10, 3:21 am, Spring <spr...@surfbvi.com> wrote: > A large number of the National Library of Jamaica's historic documents > are now accessible on its website and being augmented by other material > about Jamaica culled from the Internet. It is great news that this > exciting development has now "gone live". > My wife and I will certainly be finding out more about this project from > Dr. Hazel Bennett, a friend from way back.. > > Peter Moll > Tortola, BVI > >       National Library of Jamaica Gone Digital > > With the click of a mouse in the comfort of their homes, Jamaicans can > now access historical materials, including maps, photographs and plans, > which are stored on the website of the National Library of Jamaica (NLJ). > <http://www.jis.gov.jm/labour/html/20100706T170000-0500_24585_JIS_NATI...> The link you quoted is to Jamaica inf services. On that page is a link to the National Library. Click on it and you get webpage "www.nlj.org.jm" cannot be found. What address are you using to get 8into the Library website plse? nancy Ffrench

Alba wrote: Thank you very much Spring for this information. I am really looking forward to exploring the website. Alba in Oakville, On., Canada Spring wrote: >A large number of the National Library of Jamaica's historic documents >are now accessible on its website and being augmented by other material >about Jamaica culled from the Internet. It is great news that this >exciting development has now "gone live". >My wife and I will certainly be finding out more about this project from >Dr. Hazel Bennett, a friend from way back.. > >Peter Moll >Tortola, BVI > > > National Library of Jamaica Gone Digital > >With the click of a mouse in the comfort of their homes, Jamaicans can >now access historical materials, including maps, photographs and plans, >which are stored on the website of the National Library of Jamaica (NLJ). ><http://www.jis.gov.jm/labour/html/20100706T170000-0500_24585_JIS_NATIONAL_LIBRARY_OF_JAMAICA_GONE_DIGITAL.asp> > > >

A large number of the National Library of Jamaica's historic documents are now accessible on its website and being augmented by other material about Jamaica culled from the Internet. It is great news that this exciting development has now "gone live". My wife and I will certainly be finding out more about this project from Dr. Hazel Bennett, a friend from way back.. Peter Moll Tortola, BVI National Library of Jamaica Gone Digital With the click of a mouse in the comfort of their homes, Jamaicans can now access historical materials, including maps, photographs and plans, which are stored on the website of the National Library of Jamaica (NLJ). <http://www.jis.gov.jm/labour/html/20100706T170000-0500_24585_JIS_NATIONAL_LIBRARY_OF_JAMAICA_GONE_DIGITAL.asp>

Hi Nancy....... I am a lurker on here now but about 10 years ago, I was researching the Ffrench surname for a friend in Australia. He would then pass the info on to a friend of his wife.......she was the Ffrench descendant. My last name also starts with an "F", so it was no problem to look for them in the LDS films. Dorothy Kew would be able to help you..........and as it is 1 am here in Canada, I hope I make sense with the following. If you are looking for a "staunch catholic" in the mid 1850's, you won't find him in the LDS records. They are 95% Church of England. And the period from 1870 to 1800 (Law 6) is missing a lot of records........and those that were not C of E, but perhaps Baptist or Methodist at that time........well, there is no LDS copy of those *dissenter records*. I know the above because my husband's grandfather was born around 1876 to 1877, but no sign of him or his sister.......the other children were born after 1880 and Civil Registration was now the order of the day. I have been intending to get back to the LDS (hit brick walls and gave up about 5 years ago), but now that they have catalogued the churches in Spain, may have a look for my surname in the 1700's. Best of luck.........Heather Figueroa "NancyFfrench" <kandn.atkinson@gmail.com> wrote in message news:5ec855cb-a7cf-45ea-8d81-d71b3e36e9dc@j4g2000yqh.googlegroups.com... > Has anyone had success in contacting the Jamaica Archives, King & > Manchester Streets, in Spanish Town?. (Not the Registrars Dept in > Twickenham Park). We have sent numerous emails to > jarchives@jard.gov.jm without success. Does anyone know the name/email > of a human employed there?Their website has been "Under construction" > for yonks! > > Alternatively can anyone help with this query we sent to them re " > missing persons"? (None of these baptisms can be found in LDS films) > Does anyone do lookups in Jamaica? > > We seek the baptism records of the supposed children of George Ffrench > and his wife, Eliza Minot,married in Portland on January 4,1849 -- > George Ffrench was the Clerk of the Vestry for the parish of Portland > & a Tax Collector -- we found the baptism record of their first child, > Robert Burke Ffrench in Port Antonio on October 31, 1849. Robert died > six months later and was buried in Port Antonio on May 4, 1850. But > other sources, particularly the Gleaner, show they had at least four > other children, possibly 5: > > 1) Ann M who was a signatory along with her mother Eliza Ffrench and > sister Emily Letitia Ffrench in the thankyou letter to Governor Eyre, > January 1, 1866 from the ladies of Port Antonio & Manchioneal-- per > Google Books. > > 2) Emily Letitia or Letitia Emily According to a Gleaner excerpt of > her death from typhoid in 1869 she was the second daughter of George > Ffrench, aged 16 years, which would mean she must have been born in > 1853.We found her burial record in Portland but have not been able to > find a baptismal record for her. Her burial record says she was 13 > implying a birth year of 1856 > > 3)Edward Shafto Ffrench, he is described in a series of articles in > the Gleaner in 1897 concerning a court case, as the son of George > Ffrench. He was a tax collector per the Blue Books; supposedly born > about 1855 -but no baptism record > > 4)Alfred Ernest Ffrench, supposedly born about 1861, who is described > in the Who's Who of 1916 as a son of George and Eliza Ffrench.He was a > JP,MP and received the MBE award in WW1-- the Who's Who described > Alfred as a"staunch Roman Catholic".So he's a VIP ! But has no baptism > record > > 5)Arthur George Ffrench, who fathered my grandfather, Ernest Ffrench > in 1876 , by one Jane Victoria Smith, baptised in Spanish Town, St. > Catherine. They were not married and in fact Arthur married a Frances > Glave not long after and settled in Manchester. Arthur was employed as > a clerk in St. Catherine, and appears, from what records we've found, > to have been born about 1851 -- again not found. He got into some kind > of trouble in his position and left Jamaica precipitously and settled > in London, England, where he died in 1905. He appears in the 1891 > English census where his birthplace is given as Jamaica, West Indies. > We guess he may be the son of George Ffrench, though it's quite > possible he might have been the son of George's brother, Edward > Ffrench, > > It seems strange that the baptism records of quite a prominent family > should be missing. > > Does anyone have any ideas what we can do if the Archives dont > respond? Thanks Nancy ffrench > >

Has anyone had success in contacting the Jamaica Archives, King & Manchester Streets, in Spanish Town?. (Not the Registrars Dept in Twickenham Park). We have sent numerous emails to jarchives@jard.gov.jm without success. Does anyone know the name/email of a human employed there?Their website has been "Under construction" for yonks! Alternatively can anyone help with this query we sent to them re " missing persons"? (None of these baptisms can be found in LDS films) Does anyone do lookups in Jamaica? We seek the baptism records of the supposed children of George Ffrench and his wife, Eliza Minot,married in Portland on January 4,1849 -- George Ffrench was the Clerk of the Vestry for the parish of Portland & a Tax Collector -- we found the baptism record of their first child, Robert Burke Ffrench in Port Antonio on October 31, 1849. Robert died six months later and was buried in Port Antonio on May 4, 1850. But other sources, particularly the Gleaner, show they had at least four other children, possibly 5: 1) Ann M who was a signatory along with her mother Eliza Ffrench and sister Emily Letitia Ffrench in the thankyou letter to Governor Eyre, January 1, 1866 from the ladies of Port Antonio & Manchioneal-- per Google Books. 2) Emily Letitia or Letitia Emily According to a Gleaner excerpt of her death from typhoid in 1869 she was the second daughter of George Ffrench, aged 16 years, which would mean she must have been born in 1853.We found her burial record in Portland but have not been able to find a baptismal record for her. Her burial record says she was 13 implying a birth year of 1856 3)Edward Shafto Ffrench, he is described in a series of articles in the Gleaner in 1897 concerning a court case, as the son of George Ffrench. He was a tax collector per the Blue Books; supposedly born about 1855 -but no baptism record 4)Alfred Ernest Ffrench, supposedly born about 1861, who is described in the Who's Who of 1916 as a son of George and Eliza Ffrench.He was a JP,MP and received the MBE award in WW1-- the Who's Who described Alfred as a"staunch Roman Catholic".So he's a VIP ! But has no baptism record 5)Arthur George Ffrench, who fathered my grandfather, Ernest Ffrench in 1876 , by one Jane Victoria Smith, baptised in Spanish Town, St. Catherine. They were not married and in fact Arthur married a Frances Glave not long after and settled in Manchester. Arthur was employed as a clerk in St. Catherine, and appears, from what records we've found, to have been born about 1851 -- again not found. He got into some kind of trouble in his position and left Jamaica precipitously and settled in London, England, where he died in 1905. He appears in the 1891 English census where his birthplace is given as Jamaica, West Indies. We guess he may be the son of George Ffrench, though it's quite possible he might have been the son of George's brother, Edward Ffrench, It seems strange that the baptism records of quite a prominent family should be missing. Does anyone have any ideas what we can do if the Archives dont respond? Thanks Nancy ffrench

Yes, I saw that information on the family history website, but I did not order the film as yet. Thank You so much. I am also looking for a Marriage Certificate for Edwin Brown and Mary Ann Bailey. I think I have looked through all the Marriage records at The family History Center and cannot seem to find it. I have also checked all the dissenter Marriage records, because Edwin was a Baptist and worked with the Baptist Church in Stewart Town with Rev Webb. Their first Child was about 1878, there fore I assume that they probably got married around that time period. I think Edwin was from England and changed his name when he came to Jamaica. Is there a way that I can research a name change? ________________________________ From: "caribbean-request@rootsweb.com" <caribbean-request@rootsweb.com> To: caribbean@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, July 7, 2010 3:00:06 AM Subject: CARIBBEAN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 79 Today's Topics:   1. Re:  Gagers, Gibraltar St Ann (Grace) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 05:24:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Grace <gracegoodman@rogers.com> Subject: Re: [Carib] Gagers, Gibraltar St Ann To: caribbean@rootsweb.com Message-ID:     <377d8535-0c5a-41c8-a7f2-f765fb153e70@i31g2000yqm.googlegroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Jun 30, 9:56?am, Tina Hazle <eh121...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > Hi: > > Does anybody have information on the Gagers from Gibraltar? St ann Jamaica?? In >particular?Josephine lettice Gager.? Josephine's parents were james Benjamin >Gager and Margaret Bailey (Baillie) Gager. > > Thank You You probably have this already - the source Jamaica Births and Baptisms 1752-1920, LDS, Family Search site Josephine Lettice Gager, female B. 30 Aug. 1889 St. Ann. Father - James Benjamin Gager. Mother - Baillie Gager. File #1389178 Ref. # 455 End of CARIBBEAN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 79 ****************************************

On Jun 30, 9:56 am, Tina Hazle <eh121...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > Hi: > > Does anybody have information on the Gagers from Gibraltar  St ann Jamaica?  In particular Josephine lettice Gager.  Josephine's parents were james Benjamin Gager and Margaret Bailey (Baillie) Gager. > > Thank You You probably have this already - the source Jamaica Births and Baptisms 1752-1920, LDS, Family Search site Josephine Lettice Gager, female B. 30 Aug. 1889 St. Ann. Father - James Benjamin Gager. Mother - Baillie Gager. File #1389178 Ref. # 455

Laura, Thank you. Those are kind offers. You too may have noticed the Colchester Lucas family sometimes had trouble getting married before the children arrived. This Thomas Lucas might be a child of Robert Lucas, governor of The Tower of London who died in January 1705 aged about 56 and unmarried . . . and then again maybe not. What I have found though is that his origins were considered a mystery to some soon after he died and so I am going to have to get a copy of whatever this A2A reference is for: —————————————————————————————— Letter reporting findings resulting from his enquiries into the origins of the Lucas family. A62/6/271 1 Feb. 1797 These documents are held at Lewisham Local Studies and Archives Contents: J. Waldron of Trowbridge to Joseph Paice —————————————————————————————— Joseph Paice was residuary legatee of the estate of Elizabeth Payne, the last wife of the Thomas Lucas in question who died in what is now part of Lewisham. I must get into gear and see what I can learn. I'll do that first and then if its no good will come back to you. Yes I have been tantalised by the cover of that Letter Book wondering if it might tell me anything. Many thanks - I shall report David Because it is fun, here is a bit about that particular Joseph Paice, 'best mate' of banker Baring who bought Lucas's house <http://www.readbookonline.net/readOnLine/34778/> On 30/06/2010, at 3:10 AM, LALDERSON@nc.rr.com wrote: > David, > There is a good bit on Google Books about Sir John Lucas and > Colchester in the mid-seventeenth century, though I am willing to bet > you have all that already. > > Of some interest to the list in general might be the 1819 tome, The > History, Civil and Commercial, of the British West Indies. There are > some pages in French regarding a Jacques Lucas. > > Of interest also might be the letterbook of Eliza Pinckney, in limited > preview on Google Books and a for purchase. It is copyright The South > Carolina Historical Society, and I would check there for more on > Eliza's ancestry. Sometimes the local history societies do it best. > The introduction to the letterbook was written by Elise Pinckney, who > received her masters from Carolina, and if you are interested, I will > look up her current contact info for you in the alumni listings. > > Cheers, > Laura

Thank you Phillip. H of A is now viewable on the Internet Archive - for instance <http://www.archive.org/details/historyofislando02oliv> and I had already been through its indexes finding mentions but nothing to resolve my little issue / parentless issue. If you know it is definitely explained there I would be very grateful for the Vol and page number. I apologise for my slow response. with kind regards, David On 29/06/2010, at 11:42 PM, Phillip Abbott - Abbott Farms wrote: > "History of Antigua" by VL Oliver does not show Eliza and Thomas as > siblings . > > If you do not have access to "H of A" I will be happy to copy and send you > copies of the relevant pages . > > Regards , > > Phillip

Didn't mean to post this to the entire list. Sorry! On Jul 5, 2010, at 11:11 AM, lwa101@comcast.net wrote: David, Just in case you would like to correspond with this descendant, Elise Pinckney, here is her info. I graduate from Carolina and so am able to find her through the alumni association. I don't find an email for h

David, Just in case you would like to correspond with this descendant, Elise Pinckney, here is her info. I graduate from Carolina and so am able to find her through the alumni association. I don't find an email for her, but she graduated in 1947, which would put her around 84 now. She may know who (else) has the cache of family history, and if I were you, I would be quick to send a letter. The address I have was current as of this past February. If you would like to send me the letter in Microsoft Word, I am happy to post it from Raleigh, NC, for you, which would be perhaps even quicker. The US Postal Service finds her: 1224 Village Creek Ln Apt H4 Mount Pleasant, South Carolina But enough of all that. Cheers, Laura On Jul 5, 2010, at 9:14 AM, David Daniell wrote: Laura, Thank you. Those are kind offers. You too may have noticed the Colchester Lucas family sometimes had trouble getting married before the children arrived. This Thomas Lucas might be a child of Robert Lucas, governor of The Tower of London who died in January 1705 aged about 56 and unmarried . . . and then again maybe not. What I have found though is that his origins were considered a mystery to some soon after he died and so I am going to have to get a copy of whatever this A2A reference is for: —————————————————————————————— Letter reporting findings resulting from his enquiries into the origins of the Lucas family. A62/6/271 1 Feb. 1797 These documents are held at Lewisham Local Studies and Archives Contents: J. Waldron of Trowbridge to Joseph Paice —————————————————————————————— Joseph Paice was residuary legatee of the estate of Elizabeth Payne, the last wife of the Thomas Lucas in question who died in what is now part of Lewisham. I must get into gear and see what I can learn. I'll do that first and then if its no good will come back to you. Yes I have been tantalised by the cover of that Letter Book wondering if it might tell me anything. Many thanks - I shall report David Because it is fun, here is a bit about that particular Joseph Paice, 'best mate' of banker Baring who bought Lucas's house <http://www.readbookonline.net/readOnLine/34778/> On 30/06/2010, at 3:10 AM, LALDERSON@nc.rr.com wrote: > David, > There is a good bit on Google Books about Sir John Lucas and > Colchester in the mid-seventeenth century, though I am willing to bet > you have all that already. > > Of some interest to the list in general might be the 1819 tome, The > History, Civil and Commercial, of the British West Indies. There are > some pages in French regarding a Jacques Lucas. > > Of interest also might be the letterbook of Eliza Pinckney, in limited > preview on Google Books and a for purchase. It is copyright The South > Carolina Historical Society, and I would check there for more on > Eliza's ancestry. Sometimes the local history societies do it best. > The introduction to the letterbook was written by Elise Pinckney, who > received her masters from Carolina, and if you are interested, I will > look up her current contact info for you in the alumni listings. > > Cheers, > Laura *************************** The Caribbean List now has a Resources Page at Historic Antigua and Barbuda http://www.rootsweb.com/~atgwgw/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARIBBEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi: Does anybody have information on the Gagers from Gibraltar  St ann Jamaica?  In particular Josephine lettice Gager.  Josephine's parents were james Benjamin Gager and Margaret Bailey (Baillie) Gager. Thank You