Just came across the following marriage notice which might be of some interest to the Alleynes in Barbados. Kerry Evening Post August 11 1829. Married Rev. H. Whitby to Christian Alleyne daughter of late Hon. John G. Alleyne of Barbadoes. No mention of where the marriage took place or why a local newspaper in Ireland should carry a notice of it. Presumably there must have been some connection with Co. Kerry. Over to you !

Not maying people are saying anything . Not sure if this is a good sign or a bad sign !! Glad to hear that all is well with you Peter . Antigua had alot of rain from Earl and luckily not too much wind . Fiona did not even give us any rain . Gaston seems to have fizzled out . Hopefully we will be lucky and have no more storms this year !!!! All the best to everyone . Phillip Antigua ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ernest Wiltshire" <murcot@synapse.net> To: <caribbean@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 8:47 AM Subject: Re: [Carib] Hurricane Earl > Hello Peter: glad to hear that you are well and that no one has been > badly injured.; I had not realised that the VI had suffered a direct > hit. I hope that the damage is not too severe. Our thoughts are with you > all. > Ernest > > On 03/09/10 12:25 AM, Spring wrote: >> Thanks, Laura >> I understand that the USVI suffered a bit more than the BVI, overall.. >> Nobody was seriously hurt here, but the eye of the storm traversed >> the BVI just north of Anegada, which was quite badly hit, and all our >> islands suffered from roads blocked by rocks, fallen trees and downed >> power lines. >> I felt stifled by hours of waiting in our hot, dark, shuttered rooms, >> but when I ventured outside I had to stop the door being wrenched out >> of my hands before being forced back inside by the wind and rain. Our >> area was without electricity (& the Internet) early Sunday to early >> Wednesday and even some parts of Tortola are still without power and >> piped water (our home has a huge rain-water cistern). >> Earl shook the BVI out of a complacency that had developed after >> several, lucky seasons. Although our DDM (Govt Dept of Disaster >> Management) put us all on high alert, we were not personally fully >> prepared for the force of a category 4 hurricane so close to us. >> Weaker Fiona, following a slightly more northerly path, is now >> forecast to bring little more than heavy rain to our shores before the >> weekend. However, Gaston may pose a much greater threat to the >> Leewards and Virgin Islands, next week. >> Having said all that, we enjoyed a very pleasant Thursday, with clear >> sunny skies and gentle breezes! >> We shall be waiting anxiously for news of your experiences, Laura. You >> will be in our thoughts and prayers. >> Peter >> >> LAlderson@nc.rr.com wrote 2 Sep 2010: >>> ... As for all our friends in the Caribbean, how's about a roll call >>> of who's where and how they're weathering things. Cheers, Laura > > *************************** > The Caribbean List now has a Resources Page at Historic Antigua and > Barbuda http://www.rootsweb.com/~atgwgw/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CARIBBEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Peter: glad to hear that you are well and that no one has been badly injured.; I had not realised that the VI had suffered a direct hit. I hope that the damage is not too severe. Our thoughts are with you all. Ernest On 03/09/10 12:25 AM, Spring wrote: > Thanks, Laura > I understand that the USVI suffered a bit more than the BVI, overall.. > Nobody was seriously hurt here, but the eye of the storm traversed > the BVI just north of Anegada, which was quite badly hit, and all our > islands suffered from roads blocked by rocks, fallen trees and downed > power lines. > I felt stifled by hours of waiting in our hot, dark, shuttered rooms, > but when I ventured outside I had to stop the door being wrenched out > of my hands before being forced back inside by the wind and rain. Our > area was without electricity (& the Internet) early Sunday to early > Wednesday and even some parts of Tortola are still without power and > piped water (our home has a huge rain-water cistern). > Earl shook the BVI out of a complacency that had developed after > several, lucky seasons. Although our DDM (Govt Dept of Disaster > Management) put us all on high alert, we were not personally fully > prepared for the force of a category 4 hurricane so close to us. > Weaker Fiona, following a slightly more northerly path, is now > forecast to bring little more than heavy rain to our shores before the > weekend. However, Gaston may pose a much greater threat to the > Leewards and Virgin Islands, next week. > Having said all that, we enjoyed a very pleasant Thursday, with clear > sunny skies and gentle breezes! > We shall be waiting anxiously for news of your experiences, Laura. You > will be in our thoughts and prayers. > Peter > > LAlderson@nc.rr.com wrote 2 Sep 2010: >> ... As for all our friends in the Caribbean, how's about a roll call >> of who's where and how they're weathering things. Cheers, Laura

Thanks, Laura I understand that the USVI suffered a bit more than the BVI, overall.. Nobody was seriously hurt here, but the eye of the storm traversed the BVI just north of Anegada, which was quite badly hit, and all our islands suffered from roads blocked by rocks, fallen trees and downed power lines. I felt stifled by hours of waiting in our hot, dark, shuttered rooms, but when I ventured outside I had to stop the door being wrenched out of my hands before being forced back inside by the wind and rain. Our area was without electricity (& the Internet) early Sunday to early Wednesday and even some parts of Tortola are still without power and piped water (our home has a huge rain-water cistern). Earl shook the BVI out of a complacency that had developed after several, lucky seasons. Although our DDM (Govt Dept of Disaster Management) put us all on high alert, we were not personally fully prepared for the force of a category 4 hurricane so close to us. Weaker Fiona, following a slightly more northerly path, is now forecast to bring little more than heavy rain to our shores before the weekend. However, Gaston may pose a much greater threat to the Leewards and Virgin Islands, next week. Having said all that, we enjoyed a very pleasant Thursday, with clear sunny skies and gentle breezes! We shall be waiting anxiously for news of your experiences, Laura. You will be in our thoughts and prayers. Peter LAlderson@nc.rr.com wrote 2 Sep 2010: > Hehhheeey heee thanks, Ernest. I grew up in Pensacola and remember > going through about five hurricanes. When I moved to NC, I thought I'd > be safe in Raleigh. Then Fran hit us and after it, Floyd. Egads! > > As for all our friends in the Caribbean, how's about a roll call of > who's where and how they're weathering things. > > Cheers, > Laura > > > On Sep 2, 2010, at 5:25 PM, Ernest Wiltshire wrote: > > Just hoping that all our friends on the U.S. East Coast, and > especially in North Carolina (Laura!) will keep safe and well. Take care > people. > Ernest

AI have sent it to Sarah Manley and my cousin Della Manley who is married to Joseph. But please forward it to Rachel as well. Regards Rory On 2 Sep 2010, at 22:06, Ernest Wiltshire wrote: > Thank you so much for doing this Rory. It is a good reminder that many > West Indians died on those European battlefields. Wonderful work you are > doing. > > I shall try and pass this information on to Michael's daughter, Rachel, > in case she's not aware of it, unless you are already in touch with her. > > Regards > Ernest Wiltshire > > On 01/09/10 6:57 PM, Rory McGregor wrote: >> I stopped off near Ypres (Belgium) to take these photographs on my way back from Holland: >> >> He was the brother of Norman Manley and fell in the 3rd Battle of Ypres. I have just realised that the three graves I have photographed are all Jamaica College Old Boys and their names appear on the memorial at the school. > *************************** > The Caribbean List now has a Resources Page at Historic Antigua and Barbuda http://www.rootsweb.com/~atgwgw/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARIBBEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hehhheeey heee thanks, Ernest. I grew up in Pensacola and remember going through about five hurricanes. When I moved to NC, I thought I'd be safe in Raleigh. Then Fran hit us and after it, Floyd. Egads! As for all our friends in the Caribbean, how's about a roll call of who's where and how they're weathering things. Cheers, Laura On Sep 2, 2010, at 5:25 PM, Ernest Wiltshire wrote: Just hoping that all our friends on the U.S. East Coast, and especially in North Carolina (Laura!) will keep safe and well. Take care people. Ernest *************************** The Caribbean List now has a Resources Page at Historic Antigua and Barbuda http://www.rootsweb.com/~atgwgw/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARIBBEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Just hoping that all our friends on the U.S. East Coast, and especially in North Carolina (Laura!) will keep safe and well. Take care people. Ernest

Thank you so much for doing this Rory. It is a good reminder that many West Indians died on those European battlefields. Wonderful work you are doing. I shall try and pass this information on to Michael's daughter, Rachel, in case she's not aware of it, unless you are already in touch with her. Regards Ernest Wiltshire On 01/09/10 6:57 PM, Rory McGregor wrote: > I stopped off near Ypres (Belgium) to take these photographs on my way back from Holland: > > He was the brother of Norman Manley and fell in the 3rd Battle of Ypres. I have just realised that the three graves I have photographed are all Jamaica College Old Boys and their names appear on the memorial at the school.

I stopped off near Ypres (Belgium) to take these photographs on my way back from Holland: He was the brother of Norman Manley and fell in the 3rd Battle of Ypres. I have just realised that the three graves I have photographed are all Jamaica College Old Boys and their names appear on the memorial at the school. http://picasaweb.google.com/mcgregor44/JamaicanAtYpres?authkey=Gv1sRgCPOJpZeovu3SNg&feat=directlink

I'm looking for any ancestors for GEORGE NERO born c1934 and VERNON NERO born c1935 - possibly brothers - believed to be on Saint Vincent. Thank you Sheila

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HI EVERYONE I WAS JUST BROWSING AND RESERACHING MY BELLONY GENEALOGY IN WHAT CONCERNS MARTINIQUE, UPON FURTHER READING I CAME UPON THIS WEBSITE HTTP:// etudescaribeennes.revues.org the early colonization of Tobago. Bibilographical and archival materials in Martinique and France maybe you're alaready read i. may be of interest to some especially the sources in the right hand corner of other books to check out good luck andrea bellony -------- Original Message ---------- From: caribbean-request@rootsweb.com To: caribbean@rootsweb.com Subject: CARIBBEAN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 94 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 01:00:06 -0600 Today's Topics: 1. Re: Looking for Elizabeth HENRY (b. 1792) ... from London and the West Indies? (Ernest Wiltshire) 2. Re: Looking for Elizabeth HENRY (Ernest Wiltshire) 3. Re: Looking for Elizabeth HENRY (CM Codrington) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 12:11:00 -0400 From: Ernest Wiltshire <murcot@synapse.net> Subject: Re: [Carib] Looking for Elizabeth HENRY (b. 1792) ... from London and the West Indies? To: caribbean@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <4C754094.90300@synapse.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hello Lesley: the names HENRY & DOWDING (often spelt DOWDEN) rang a bell and I found in Caribbeana, Vol. 6 pages 57 & 93, the following entries: Page 57: Trinity, Palmetto Point, St. Kitts, Baptisms: 1822 Feb 10 Received into the Church after private baptism by myself*, Mary Grace Clements d. of Nicholas Clements Henry Esq. and Elizabeth his wife. Sponsors by Proxy, Mrs. Nicholas Dowding, Lady Martha Colleton, Mrs. Catherine Dowding. 1827 Nov 24 Henrietta Elizth. Clements d. of Nicholas Clements Henry & Elizth. his wife, b Oct 20, 1827. Sponsors Wm. McMahon, Esq., Mrs. McMahon, Miss Black, by Proxy. 1831 Jan 6. Albert Charles Clements s. of Nicholas Clements Henry & Elizth. his wife, b. 23 Nov., '30 Page 93: Trinity, Palmetto Point, St. Kitts, Burials: 1829 Henrietta Elizth. Clements Henry, aged nearly 2 years. (signed) John Butler Pemberton, Rector * John Butler Pemberton, Rector I have found nothing on a Frederick and no indication that he belongs to this St. Kitts connected family, but this may give you another approach to your search. I also agree that the surname HENRY is not that common, certainly in the West Indies, and in the early records is often spelled HENERY. Your widow Elizabeth might be a DOWDING. If you can get hold of a Baronetage for the early 1800s, you might also discover just who Lady Martha COLLETON is, the Colletons (Sir Peter et al) of course being connected to the West Indies from the earliest times Good luck with your search. Ernest Wiltshire On 24/08/10 4:12 AM, Lesley Albertson wrote: > ... There is also, in the 1851 Census, a Thomas HENRY, unmarried, b. > 1815, a > Brewer with Hanbery& Cooper ... born *Demerer*, West Indies > (Demerara?),living with his unmarried sister Eliza, b.1818 in St > George, Middlesex. (This latter seems to be St. George, Hanover Square, where she later married William Thomas Sheldon SMITH) ... > > The owner of the house was an unmarried niece, those name has been > incorrectly transcribed as Catherine DOROTHY. (It is actually Catherine > DOWDING). > > HENRY is not all *that* common - and certainly, there is no Frederick > HENRY born at around the right time in Family Search, or Findmypast. > (His age is given as 20, on his Old Bailey record (in 1830), and from > that and his Australian records, I calculate his birth to be around > September, 1809). ... > Cheers, > Lesley > (In soggy Nundle, Australia) ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 12:25:33 -0400 From: Ernest Wiltshire <murcot@synapse.net> Subject: Re: [Carib] Looking for Elizabeth HENRY To: caribbean@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <4C7543FD.4010304@synapse.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Laura I think your suggestion on adding your genealogical information to your will is a wonderful idea. In my own Barbados research I always rejoice when I find a will where the testator says something like: "In the parish of (in England) ... where I was born"! One of my Tudor forebears in the 1600s names his sister and the street she lives on in Southwark! Wonderful stuff. Here in Canada our minority right-wing government has gutted our Census on grounds of "privacy" and unless we get rid of them next election and have their stupid move reversed, future generations will not even have access to the census information that has been so invaluable to family historians. What on earth does privacy matter to us now living when the 2011 census is released in the year 2101??? And these are the same kinds of people who often reveal the most intimate details of their personal lives on internet social media! End of rant for today. Ernest On 24/08/10 11:16 AM, LALDERSON@nc.rr.com wrote: > Listers, I'm happy to see we're on the case once again. The list has > been mighty quiet this summer. > ... > And, dear listers, a suggestion for your own will: when naming > yourself at the start, Include the names of your forebears and the > place of their origin along with your own. Or have attached to it a > genealogy. For many of us, this will be one of the only PUBLIC record > in a court house that we leave behind. In our time, the newspapers no > longer cover us when we graduate, marry, visit relatives, or grow a > bushel of prime apples, and we haven't joined the local church, our > deeds don't say where we are from, and our censuses don't carry our > occupations, year of immigration, or valuation. > Good luck on your search. You will find something, though it may take > a long time. > Cheers to all, > Laura ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 17:42:12 -0400 From: CM Codrington <cmcod@optimum.net> Subject: Re: [Carib] Looking for Elizabeth HENRY To: caribbean@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <JMEHJNMMIACEDMMICGAKAENAFOAA.cmcod@optimum.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Good Rant Ernest.... Articulate rant can be a tonic during a Long Island easterly..... Always a pleasure, and thanks Laura! Cod End of CARIBBEAN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 94 **************************************** ____________________________________________________________ Obama Urges Homeowners to Refinance If you owe under $729k you probably qualify for Obama's Refi Program http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4c76bfb82a85c925f30st02vuc

Hi Ernest and Listers, Many thanks, Ernest, for those fascinating records - that really means that the Elizabeth HENRY, widow, in St. Pancras really cannot be the mother of my Frederick, so that short-lived idea must now be laid to rest. I did find, however, in Findmypast, GRO ARMY CHAPLAINS DEATH INDICES (1796 to 1880), in the period 1860-1867, the deaths of George HENRY and Thomas HENRY in Demerara. Ages not given, unfortunately ... but I guess there is still *some* possibility of a West Indies connection, for my elusive 2g-grandfather. Thanks again for your help - much appreciated. Regards, Lesley (In wet, wintry Nundle, Australia) *** > Hello Lesley: the names HENRY& DOWDING (often spelt DOWDEN) rang a > bell and I found in Caribbeana, Vol. 6 pages 57& 93, the following entries: > > Page 57: Trinity, Palmetto Point, St. Kitts, Baptisms: > > 1822 Feb 10 Received into the Church after private baptism by myself*, > Mary Grace Clements d. of Nicholas Clements Henry Esq. and Elizabeth his > wife. Sponsors by Proxy, Mrs. Nicholas Dowding, Lady Martha Colleton, > Mrs. Catherine Dowding. <snip>

Good Rant Ernest.... Articulate rant can be a tonic during a Long Island easterly..... Always a pleasure, and thanks Laura! Cod

Laura I think your suggestion on adding your genealogical information to your will is a wonderful idea. In my own Barbados research I always rejoice when I find a will where the testator says something like: "In the parish of (in England) ... where I was born"! One of my Tudor forebears in the 1600s names his sister and the street she lives on in Southwark! Wonderful stuff. Here in Canada our minority right-wing government has gutted our Census on grounds of "privacy" and unless we get rid of them next election and have their stupid move reversed, future generations will not even have access to the census information that has been so invaluable to family historians. What on earth does privacy matter to us now living when the 2011 census is released in the year 2101??? And these are the same kinds of people who often reveal the most intimate details of their personal lives on internet social media! End of rant for today. Ernest On 24/08/10 11:16 AM, LALDERSON@nc.rr.com wrote: > Listers, I'm happy to see we're on the case once again. The list has > been mighty quiet this summer. > ... > And, dear listers, a suggestion for your own will: when naming > yourself at the start, Include the names of your forebears and the > place of their origin along with your own. Or have attached to it a > genealogy. For many of us, this will be one of the only PUBLIC record > in a court house that we leave behind. In our time, the newspapers no > longer cover us when we graduate, marry, visit relatives, or grow a > bushel of prime apples, and we haven't joined the local church, our > deeds don't say where we are from, and our censuses don't carry our > occupations, year of immigration, or valuation. > Good luck on your search. You will find something, though it may take > a long time. > Cheers to all, > Laura

Hello Lesley: the names HENRY & DOWDING (often spelt DOWDEN) rang a bell and I found in Caribbeana, Vol. 6 pages 57 & 93, the following entries: Page 57: Trinity, Palmetto Point, St. Kitts, Baptisms: 1822 Feb 10 Received into the Church after private baptism by myself*, Mary Grace Clements d. of Nicholas Clements Henry Esq. and Elizabeth his wife. Sponsors by Proxy, Mrs. Nicholas Dowding, Lady Martha Colleton, Mrs. Catherine Dowding. 1827 Nov 24 Henrietta Elizth. Clements d. of Nicholas Clements Henry & Elizth. his wife, b Oct 20, 1827. Sponsors Wm. McMahon, Esq., Mrs. McMahon, Miss Black, by Proxy. 1831 Jan 6. Albert Charles Clements s. of Nicholas Clements Henry & Elizth. his wife, b. 23 Nov., '30 Page 93: Trinity, Palmetto Point, St. Kitts, Burials: 1829 Henrietta Elizth. Clements Henry, aged nearly 2 years. (signed) John Butler Pemberton, Rector * John Butler Pemberton, Rector I have found nothing on a Frederick and no indication that he belongs to this St. Kitts connected family, but this may give you another approach to your search. I also agree that the surname HENRY is not that common, certainly in the West Indies, and in the early records is often spelled HENERY. Your widow Elizabeth might be a DOWDING. If you can get hold of a Baronetage for the early 1800s, you might also discover just who Lady Martha COLLETON is, the Colletons (Sir Peter et al) of course being connected to the West Indies from the earliest times Good luck with your search. Ernest Wiltshire On 24/08/10 4:12 AM, Lesley Albertson wrote: > ... There is also, in the 1851 Census, a Thomas HENRY, unmarried, b. > 1815, a > Brewer with Hanbery& Cooper ... born *Demerer*, West Indies > (Demerara?),living with his unmarried sister Eliza, b.1818 in St > George, Middlesex. (This latter seems to be St. George, Hanover Square, where she later married William Thomas Sheldon SMITH) ... > > The owner of the house was an unmarried niece, those name has been > incorrectly transcribed as Catherine DOROTHY. (It is actually Catherine > DOWDING). > > HENRY is not all *that* common - and certainly, there is no Frederick > HENRY born at around the right time in Family Search, or Findmypast. > (His age is given as 20, on his Old Bailey record (in 1830), and from > that and his Australian records, I calculate his birth to be around > September, 1809). ... > Cheers, > Lesley > (In soggy Nundle, Australia)

Bravo, Laura! Well-said! Augusta -------------------------------------------------- From: <LALDERSON@nc.rr.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 10:16 To: <nemonews@hotmail.co.uk>; <caribbean@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [Carib] Looking for Elizabeth HENRY > Listers, I'm happy to see we're on the case once again. The list has > been mighty quiet this summer. > > Jenny, to encourage you, yes, nearly anything IS possible! I have a > great, great grandmother who was 13 when her first child was born in > 1859; the parents married more than a year later. Another's child- > bearing years (1820-1841) spanned more than 20. I found one woman for > whom I had been searching for 10 years by simply entering her surname > first into Google. I had been googling her full name for years! > (Cemetery indexes often have surname first). A dear person on this > list just sent me some info from Google Scholar that Google and Google > Books did not find. Others helped me locate a box of materials in > Copenhagen. Jenny, keep looking! You can even put a small notice in > the person's local newspaper, in case a neighbor's descendants know of > him. If there is not a will in the probate court, there will be > administrator's papers. > > I believe in your man. I believe he was penniless and desperately keen > to have a gift for his dear tired mother, and thus he lifted the > handkerchief. Being no professional thief, he felt this modest piece > might be easily pocketed. > > Every day, there are literally thousands of documents and indexes > being added to the internet. Even old newspapers can be searched > electronically. Interlibrary loan brings you microfilms of the local > newspapers. In one case, everyone thought there was no will, but a > deed in a sheriff's sale in a distant state (the executor was selling > the land) mentions the will and the date it was written. > > Any record you find, ask for a photocopy or scan, plus a scan of the > cover or first page of the ledger/book. > > Bottom line: perhaps you can turn something up at the person's local > courthouse (don't forget to look at orphan's court) or by reading the > local newspaper (including the deaths of his descendants years later; > these sometimes recount more family history). When one is writing > obituaries, be sure to include the forebears and place of origin. "She > was descended from . . . " > > And, dear listers, a suggestion for your own will: when naming > yourself at the start, Include the names of your forebears and the > place of their origin along with your own. Or have attached to it a > genealogy. For many of us, this will be one of the only PUBLIC record > in a court house that we leave behind. In our time, the newspapers no > longer cover us when we graduate, marry, visit relatives, or grow a > bushel of prime apples, and we haven't joined the local church, our > deeds don't say where we are from, and our censuses don't carry our > occupations, year of immigration, or valuation. > > Good luck on your search. You will find something, though it may take > a long time. > > Cheers to all, > Laura > > *************************** > The Caribbean List now has a Resources Page at Historic Antigua and > Barbuda http://www.rootsweb.com/~atgwgw/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CARIBBEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3091 - Release Date: 08/24/10 > 01:34:00 >

Hi Jenny and Listers, > IF Frederick was born in 1809 and IF Nicholas was his son and born in > 1825, it would make Frederick about 16 when his son was born. > Certainly not impossible, but unlikely. No - my hypothesis is that both Frederick and Nicholas were sons of Elizabeth HENRY (listed as a widow, in various Censuses), and a missing Thomas HENRY. (A Clerk, according to Frederick's NSW Death Certificate). Nicholas *did* have a wife Rebecca (born West Indies, 1831), and a son Frederick W. (born London, 1858) ... that is from the 1871 Census. But, of course, there is no evidence that he was named after his uncle Fred, the transported convict. Again, just clutching at straws :-) Cheers, Lesley (Nundle, Australia)