I'm attempting to improve my knowledge of the sorts of records available for Caribbean family historians. I think that I am OK with the records created by Christian religions but have not been able to find anything on the other religious groups represented in the Caribbean especially Muslim and Hindu religions. Can anyone offer any advice on rites of passage such as birth, marriage and burial - were (are) these recorded and available for researchers; what other sort of records were (are) created. Were (are) these types of records routinely used by all mosques/temples or would they vary according to the incumbent? Are they stored in the mosque/temple or centrally in the archive, register office, or religious headquarters? What experience have people had trying to obtain information or gain access to these records? Thanks for any advice - please share it with the group rather than to me directly. Guy Grannum

Thanks Joyce I hope our expectations are not too high. I have found bit of family information from Gleaner's transcribed in Pat Jackson's web site so the old issue are out there. Even if I do not find any family information it should be quite the treat reading about life in the 1800's in Jamaica. Alba Joyce Falink wrote: >Alba, > >The web site is actually called NewspaperArchive.com >

Hello Lisa, The following is from the list. Regards, Daphne Belvidere estate in St. John's: (883 acres, 150 bags cocoa, 190 brls. spices) Proprietor: Trustees of Lt.-Col. A. W. Duncan and others Attorney: Hon. F. Gurney Manager: Hon. F. Gurney Sub-manager: J. E. Peterkin Sorry, no luck in locating Marshall. Mount Pleasant in St. Andrew's: (293 acres, 203 bags cocoa, 1,000 lb. spices) Proprietor: Heirs of T. S. Yearwood Attorney: Arthur Ross Manager: J. H. Burgess Mount Pleasant in Carriacou: (488 acres, 30 lb cotton) Proprietor: Lt. Alfred Tarleton Manager: John Shade ----- Original Message ----- acres,From: "Lisa" <ljj5@optonline.net> To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2003 4:25 PM Subject: Re: List of estates in Grenada > Hi Daphne - This is great of you - You'll have the Grenada crew coming out > of the woodwork! Looking for Peterkins - Belvidere (or anywhere) & perhaps > Marshall - Mt Pleasant. > Thanks -- Lisa > > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > ROOTSWEB MAILING LIST HELP PAGES > What is a Mailing List? > http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/help/mail1.html > >

Which National Archives? -----Original Message----- From: Ann Whiting [mailto:aqw8326@hotmail.com] Sent: 05 April 2003 17:24 To: CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: National Archives Records All, The national archives has just put 50M records on line and it is searchable. Ann "Sharing the information." _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== ROOTSWEB MAILING LIST HELP PAGES What is a Mailing List? http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/help/mail1.html

Hi Marion, You may be interested in a work of fiction called, Testimony of an Irish Slave Girl, by Kate McCafferty and published by Viking, 2002. Well researched and beautifully written. Irish and Scots indentured servants coming to Barbados (though actually slaves) were known as Redlegs. Cheryl Hazell, you have some rellys coming to SVG via Barbados (Davis).... something else for you to ponder. Still snowing in Vermont, Cindy

Hi Leonora E.M. De Freitas is listed (p. 16) as proprietor/manager of Woodlands Estate, St. George's (700 acres, producing 1,000 Brls. sugar and 2,500 Gals. rum). Believe it or not, Dougalston Estate was not included in the list. Daphne

Hi All..... I just thought I would announce that Rod Neep asked me to be the List Admin for Cumberland and I have been up to my ears in admin stuff. But enjoying it thoroughly. I will put the address for his massive undertaking in my sig.......he has Lists for every county in England, Scotland, Wales and the Channel Islands.........as well as ones for topics of interest, such as early English handwriting, immigration and the like. I could post one of his emails telling about the non-county subjects, if you wish. Of course, there have been some minor glitches and the like....but they are mostly ironed out. Now we just need to get some more people to subscribe. (G) Actually, I am really pleased with the number of Listers I have. And they are good researchers (and good people). Joyce......Rootsweb's servers have been plagued with problems which affected some of their Lists. This one was obviously affected. But I think that is sorted out now. So if you have any research to be done in the northwest part of England, please let me know and I will see what our List can do......or better yet, you can subscribe!! I will also be directing people to this List who have ancestors who went out to the Islands, as I have done in the past. Whitehaven, in Cumberland, was a major shipping port. Now.....back to answering questions.....grin. And battling a flu bug and worrying about our outbreak of SARS in the Toronto area. I had to get an X-Ray a week ago at our local hospital and had to wear a mask and answer a few questions before I was allowed in. The next day all hospitals in the Greater Toronto Area were on 'lockdown'.......and it is a mess. But it is the only way to contain this awful illness. Cheers.........Heather List Admin - ENG-CUL heatherfig@rogers.com http://www.british-genealogy.com

Hi everyone I have a list of estates, with their proprietors, and managers, organized by parish, that was published in the Grenada Handbook, 1897 edition (pp. 116-129). Although the list covers 14 pages, it does include a compiler's note: "This list is necessarily compiled from information supplied by owners, lessees, &c., and, although more properties are included this year, it is still far from being complete". If you are interested in knowing who owned a specific property in 1897 or want to know if a specific person is listed as proprietor or manager for that year, I am willing to do simple look-ups. Daphne

The following are members of the Sancho family of British Guiana (now Guyana). This article indicates the relationship of some prominent Sanchos to Tuckness Sancho; who is considered - the father of the Sancho clan - Golden Grove and Nabaclis community of Guyana. Bertrand Abrams {Economists} - grand son of Tuckness Sancho - Bank of Guyana. Brenda Abrams {Educator} - grand daughter of Tuckness Sancho -founder of the fore runner to the school now known as Nabaclis Nursery School. Dennis Andries {Professional Boxer}- great great grand son of Tuckness Sancho of Buxton, East Coast Demerara - Three times the world's light heavy weight boxing champion. The first Guyanese boxer to win a world title fight. Ivor Crawford {Aircraft Pilot} - great grand son of Tuckness Sancho - Guyana Airways Corporations. Sarah Crawford {Health Education Officer}- great grand daughter of Tuckness Sancho. Dr. Claude H. Denbow {Dental Surgery} - grand son of Tuckness Sancho- President of the British Guiana chapter of the League of the Coloured People. Claude H. Denbow Jr. {Lawyer} - great grand son of Tuckness Sancho - Port of Spain, Trinidad. Dr.Charles Egerton Denbow {Lecturer}- great grand son of Tuckness Sancho -University of the West Indies, Mona Campus, Mona, Jamaica. Frank Denbow {Civil Servant} - grand son of Tuckness Sancho, husband of Dr. Enid Lucille Denbowand and Advisor to Forbes Burnham. Dr. Frank Denbow jr.- great grand son of Tuckness Sancho - Morristown, New Jersey Col.Fairbairn Liverpool - {Military Officer} - great grand son of Tuckness Sancho - Sandhurst Trained military officer; Guyana Defense Force. Dr. Louise Ann Liverpool - great grand daughter of Tuckness Sancho - Senior resident; Harlem Hospital Center, New York City. Dr.Harold Lutchman {Educator} - great great grand son of Tuckness Sancho - Vice-Chancellor of University of Guyana. Joyce C. Moore {Pharmacists} - grand daughter of Tuckness Sancho - Howard University School of Pharmacy c 1952, perhaps the first female of British Guiana to graduate (B.S.P) in the field of Pharmacy. Birchel Ralph {Educator}- grand son of Tuckness Sancho - Founder of Ralph High School, Georgetown, Guyana. Capt. Compton M. Ross {Military Officer}- great grand son of Tuckness Sancho - Guyana Defence Force. Muriel E. Ross - {Educator} - grand daughter of Tuckness Sancho - 45 year career,1928-1973 in the field of Education member of the third batch 1932-34 of teachers trained at the British Guiana Teachers' Training College the appointment - Head Mistress of # 68 Government School. Christoper 'Boss' Bentick Sancho - father of Tuckness Sancho -born in England, came to the West Indies in the era of Indentured Servitude arrived in British Guiana between 1840 and 1849, in the company of two of his siblings, John and Tuckness Lambert Sancho. Boss Bentick is one of the persons who purchased plantation Nabaclis, British Guiana. Christopher Sancho {Justice of the Peace} - son of Tuckness Sancho - Golden Grove & Nabaclis Community. Clarence Sancho - son of Tuckness Sancho and great grand father of Dr. Harold Lutchman - the subject of the two folk songs. Leebert Sancho {Educator} - great grand son of Tuckness Sancho - Bachelor's Adventure, East Coast Demerara - Assistant Manager of Guyana School Boys' cricket team c.August 1966 - founder of Sancho High School - the fore runner of Golden Grove Government Secondary School, Golden Grove, East Coast Demerara. It is felt the Secondary School at Golden Grove should and must be renamed after this Sancho as tribute to his contributions to education in the community. It is the right thing to do, as a matter of fact the only thing to do. I ask you to join Sancho in this campaign which will result in this man being so honoured before he leaves this earth - dies. Lorna Sancho {Educator}- Principal of New Amsterdam Technical Institute. Mary Dorothy Inez Sancho {Midwife} - grand daughter of Tuckness Sancho - Health Visitor and Inspector of Midwives on the Corentyne and Essequibo. Michael "Back Legg" Sancho {Soccer} great great grand son of Tuckness Sancho -the best soccer player to represent Golden Grove and Nabaclis, perhaps the entire East Coast of Demerara. May well be the best ever soccer player who never represented Guyana, at the national level. Oswald Sancho {Law Enforcement Officer}- grand son of Tuckness Sancho -renown amateur boxer during the 1940's in British Guiana. An Officer of the British Guiana Police Force, Forbes Burnham's body guard, Officer in Command of Crime Prevention Squad, Brickdam, Guyana Police Force during 1970's. Robin Sancho {Weight lifter}- Champion in the art of weight lifting competion in Linden c 2002. Thomas Sancho {Pharmacists}- son of Tuckness Sancho - Nabaclis and else where. T.Anson Sancho {Educator} - grand son of Tuckness Sancho - Central High School and Critchlow Labour College. Tuckness Sancho - son of 'Boss Bentick' Sancho - refered to as the father of the Sanchos of Golden Grove & Nabaclis Community. Tuckness Lambert Sancho - Uncle of Tuckness Sancho and brother of Boss Bentick Sancho - born in England, one of the persons who purchased Golden Grove, East Coast Demerara. Dr. Barton Scotland {Lawyer}great grand son of Tuckness Sancho - Ministry of Foreign Affairs. Roderine Simmons - great grand son of Tuckness Sancho - Banking and financing officer; Chase Manhattan Bank New York City. Subscribe to Sancho Mailing Lists at sancho-L-request@rootsweb.com For forums on Sancho family, balck life and culture, and the community of Sancho family adopted ancestral home in Guyana. log on to the following; http://groups.yahoo.com/group/globalsanchos http://groups.yahoo.com/group/goldengrovenabaclis - for Golden Grove and Nabaclis community of Guyana. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/descendantsofsancho For the major Sancho researchers, C Phillips, Kenneth Robertson and Sidney Marious,great grand sons of Tuckness Sancho, email:cphilips@usco.com, kajrob@aol.com and SMariou@UTNet.UToledo.Edu Thanking you is M'lilwana Osanku (Selwyn Ross ) Sancho of Nabaclis great grand son of Tuckness Sancho childrenofsancho@yahoo.com

Hello Edward and List Members, Regarding the Jamaica Gleaner, it will be searchable once it is on line. The newspaperarchive.com web site calls itself, "The world's first, largest and busiest website of fully-searchable historic newspapers." Additionally, I made another find. If you have Scottish and English ancestors, and have an idea of where they came from. A number of old directories are on line and electronically searchable at this site. The site is http:///www.historicaldirectories.org Happy hunting. Joyce Falink

Tried the Historic new link you suggested.. It came back as unknown page.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce Falink" <jfalink@rconnect.com> To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2003 7:17 AM Subject: Newspaperarchive.com & another good find > Hello Edward and List Members, > > Regarding the Jamaica Gleaner, it will be searchable once it is on > line. The newspaperarchive.com web site calls itself, "The world's > first, largest and busiest website of fully-searchable historic > newspapers." > > Additionally, I made another find. If you have Scottish and English > ancestors, and have an idea of where they came from. A number of old > directories are on line and electronically searchable at this site. The > site is http:///www.historicaldirectories.org > > Happy hunting. > > Joyce Falink > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > ROOTSWEB MAILING LIST HELP PAGES > What is a Mailing List? > http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/help/mail1.html

Daphne,, I would certainly appreciate any information regards the Dougalston Estate owned by the DeFreitas and Brown families! Thanks so much!!! Lenora ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daphne Phillips Daifas" <daphne.daifas@mail.mcgill.ca> To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2003 9:57 AM Subject: List of estates in Grenada > Hi everyone > > I have a list of estates, with their proprietors, and managers, organized by parish, that was published in the Grenada Handbook, 1897 edition (pp. 116-129). Although the list covers 14 pages, it does include a compiler's note: "This list is necessarily compiled from information supplied by owners, lessees, &c., and, although more properties are included this year, it is still far from being complete". > > If you are interested in knowing who owned a specific property in 1897 or want to know if a specific person is listed as proprietor or manager for that year, I am willing to do simple look-ups. > > Daphne > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > all messages posted to CARIBBEAN-L are archived at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Before posting a query, see if the question has already been asked

All, The national archives has just put 50M records on line and it is searchable. Ann "Sharing the information." _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

Hi, all, A slight warning about this site. It well may be, as it claims to be, the largest historical online newspaper site. However, the selection of papers is extremely limited. So if you are thinking of joining to look at other newspapers until the Gleaner goes online, I would advise you to check first to see if there are any other papers you are interested in. That said, I want to echo what everyone else has been saying that if they indeed include all the papers from the 1800s, that is very good news indeed. Other papers do go back pretty far. e.g. the New York Times goes back to 1857. I don't know when this paper started or how they have it available, but that might be a clue as to what they will do with the Gleaner. Haakon Chevalier Cambridge, MA Joyce Falink wrote: > An interesting find at NewspaperArchive.com is as follows: > > NewspaperArchive.com to Put Entire History of the Jamaica Gleaner Online > NewspaperArchive.com. > > "The world's first, largest and busiest website of fully-searchable > historic newspapers, is proud to announce its latest contract with the > Jamaica Gleaner. > > The Gleaner, which boasts a Sunday circulation of 100,000, is the paper > of record for the entire Caribbean region. Established in 1834, it has > maintained a standard of journalistic excellence and in-depth reporting > that set it among the flagship papers of the world. The Jamaica Gleaner > is published seven days a week. Its headquarters are in Kingston, > Jamaica with offices in London and Toronto. Errol Knight, director of > Technology at The Gleaner, initiated the NewspaperArchive.com Gleaner > project. Mr. Knight has been the driving force behind the evolution of > the Gleaner from a print-only publication to a leading online force in > the Caribbean. > > With the approval of Oliver Clark, the well-respected publisher of The > Gleaner, the project is set to commence immediately, and will take > approximately 6 months to complete. This will establish The Gleaner as a > fully integrated historic resource on the Internet. > > We are beginning with the most recent history, and working backward from > there, said Tim Johnston, marketing director for NewspaperArchive.com. > It is fascinating to read about world events from the unique perspective > of Jamaica. > > Online memberships to the entire Gleaner archives will be available > online later this year. Patrons may have unlimited access for only > $29.95 per year. Monthly rates and one-day passes will also be available > for credit card purchase." -- PLEASE NOTE: I have modified my "reply to" address in an effort to avoid automated spam. If you wish to reply to me, please remove "AntiSpam" from the return address.

George, There was a Riley family in St. Joseph's parish Barbados from at least the late 1600's who were at one point the owners of the now-in-ruins Diamond Plantation. I have done a small amount of research on them. I know that while still functioning it passed out of their hands. John & William were frequent family names. I believe them to be the descendants of one Hugh Riley whose will was proved in 1682 ( could be '92 - it's not in front of me right now). Lisa

Interesting to hear of Irish slaves in Barbados. Trying to trace ancestryof Riley(any spelling) particularly William Riley who left Barbados to come the other way to UK in 1870s. The search stops at immigration. Any help appreciated. George G Mitchell <MReilly169@aol.com> wrote in message news:607B72D5.7DDEAC9B.0B776812@aol.com... > The title of the book is of course "Hell or Barbados." Hell is where Cromwell and his followers believed Catholics went after being exterminated. They did a lot of that. >

I would like to communicate with someone who is currently living in Montserrat and who would be willing to go to Plymouth and review information (however sparce) that pertains to records from 1851 to 1890. I would be most willing to financially compensate time spent in this search. With thanks, Alannah

Alba, The web site is actually called NewspaperArchive.com Just type that information into your search engine and it should come right up. If not, let me know, and I can copy the complete URL for you. I do agree that the old Gleaner newspapers will be fanstastic for researching. It does sound from the article on the web site that the oldest editions will be searchable on line too. For some reason, it suddenly dawned on me that I have not been receiving the Caribbean list in digest form, or any other form. I did not see my original posting, so I was glad to see your posting which means the problem has hopefully been corrected.

There was a lil coolie orphan, about 12-14 years old in 1900. The boy was then adopted by an English baker, who gave him his name and learned him his craft. Later on the Indian with the name John Edwards had his own bakery in Waterloo Street, Georgetown, until his death in 1927. With his wife Maria Isaacs (black, white and amerindian) he had four children: Oscar, a journalist, d 1941; Ivan a trade-unionist, drowned in Barbados Easter Sunday 1952; Effi and Wilfred. Does somebody know more about orphans in British Guiana? Or about the English baker Edwards? May be, he adopted more orphans. Because two Indian brothers with a barber shop in Georgetown had a similar family saga. Christel

Joyce This is great news. I can hardly wait to go searching. Question though does the archives contain records from the 1800's and where can we go into the web site, is it in the now running Jamaica Gleaner web page.? Alba Dunlop Joyce Falink wrote: >An interesting find at NewspaperArchive.com is as follows: > >NewspaperArchive.com to Put Entire History of the Jamaica Gleaner Online >NewspaperArchive.com. > >"The world's first, largest and busiest website of fully-searchable >historic newspapers, is proud to announce its latest contract with the >Jamaica Gleaner. > > >