Alannah My understanding is that just after the initial activity the records in the archives were moved to Belize - probably to the Belize Archives Department. I don't know if they have remained there. Try contacting them at: Belize Archives Department, 26/28 Unity Boulevard, Belmopan, Belize www.belize.gov.bz/archives_dept/belize.htm, tel: (501) 822247, email: archives@blt.net However, you may not get a response!! I don't know about the state of play regarding private, including church archives - they may still be with the church or may be moved to other churches on or off the island. Guy Grannum ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann Whiting" <aqw8326@hotmail.com> To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 6:20 PM Subject: Re: In search of a Montserrat resident > If I am not mistaken, during the erruption of the volcano, the files were > moved to another Island. I was in contact with someone who was in charge of > the records, and had put them in touch with the FHL to copy the documents. > Due to a rebuild of my hard drive, I no longer have the e-mails, but maybe > someone on the list remembers who I corresponded with. Earnest? > Ann > > > >From: AlannahB@aol.com > >Reply-To: CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com > >To: CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: In search of a Montserrat resident > >Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 00:13:49 EST > > > >I would like to communicate with someone who is currently living in > >Montserrat and who would be willing to go to Plymouth and review > >information > >(however sparce) that pertains to records from 1851 to 1890. I would be > >most > >willing to financially compensate time spent in this search. > >With thanks, > >Alannah > > > > > >==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > >all messages posted to CARIBBEAN-L are archived at > >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > >Before posting a query, see if the question has already been asked > > > > > "Sharing the information." > > _________________________________________________________________ > Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > For information on individual islands, research aids, island bulletin boards or history please visit the CaribbeanGenWeb project at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~caribgw/ > >

The lists of landowners are list of landowners with the acreage owned and the number of children, white servants and negro slaves. They are in the section entitled 'Parish Registers' but since parish registers as normally understood do not include such information (merely births, marriages and deaths) I thought it a good idea to make it clear that this information was available. Hope this helps, Graham Milne ""George F. Sanborn Jr."" <seorasog@attbi.com> wrote in message news:3E9038A6.CFDAF5E6@attbi.com... > Listers, > > This sounds like a combination of Mrs. Sanders' volumes on Barbados records > plus Hotten's "Lists," but what are the "lists of landowners"? Can anyone > confirmt he above? > > George Sanborn > > > Graham Milne wrote: > > > I thought members might be interested to hear about a new CD which is > > available which has hundreds of pages of info. on Barbados genealogy, > > including parish registers, tickets to America and other places, lists of > > landowners and so on. See: > > > > http://www.abc-publications.co.uk/shop/products.php?p=51b431 > > > > Hope this helps, > > > > Graham Milne > > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > > ROOTSWEB MAILING LIST HELP PAGES > > What is a Mailing List? > > http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/help/mail1.html >

Hello: Could it have been someone at the Montserrat National Trust? Montserrat National Trust PO Box 393 Olveston Montserrat, West Indies Phone 664-491-3086 FAX 664-491-304 Email: mnatrust@candw.ag It's worth a try (via email) to see if they can answer questions about the Island's records. CSemper Ann Whiting wrote: > If I am not mistaken, during the erruption of the volcano, the files > were moved to another Island. I was in contact with someone who was in > charge of the records, and had put them in touch with the FHL to copy > the documents. > Due to a rebuild of my hard drive, I no longer have the e-mails, but > maybe someone on the list remembers who I corresponded with. Earnest? > Ann

Guy, My limited information of Hindu/Muslim in the caribbean is; The Dutch West India Company, had headquarters in India, most of the Indian's/coolies were in Trinidad and Tobago, however in 1860 many were indentured in to several islands, the Danish Virgin Islands for 7 years, some did renew after the first seven years, but most left for Trinidad or back to India. You might want to check Trinidad for information on the religion, if it was practiced, how and when. Ann >From: "Guy Grannum" <guy@gcgrannum.freeserve.co.uk> >Reply-To: CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com >To: CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Hindu and Muslim records >Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 22:46:01 +0100 > >I'm attempting to improve my knowledge of the sorts of records available >for Caribbean family historians. I think that I am OK with the records >created by Christian religions but have not been able to find anything on >the other religious groups represented in the Caribbean especially Muslim >and Hindu religions. > >Can anyone offer any advice on rites of passage such as birth, marriage and >burial - were (are) these recorded and available for researchers; what >other sort of records were (are) created. > >Were (are) these types of records routinely used by all mosques/temples or >would they vary according to the incumbent? > >Are they stored in the mosque/temple or centrally in the archive, register >office, or religious headquarters? > >What experience have people had trying to obtain information or gain access >to these records? > >Thanks for any advice - please share it with the group rather than to me >directly. > >Guy Grannum > > >==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== >ROOTSWEB MAILING LIST HELP PAGES >What is a Mailing List? >http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/help/mail1.html > "Sharing the information." _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

If I am not mistaken, during the erruption of the volcano, the files were moved to another Island. I was in contact with someone who was in charge of the records, and had put them in touch with the FHL to copy the documents. Due to a rebuild of my hard drive, I no longer have the e-mails, but maybe someone on the list remembers who I corresponded with. Earnest? Ann >From: AlannahB@aol.com >Reply-To: CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com >To: CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: In search of a Montserrat resident >Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 00:13:49 EST > >I would like to communicate with someone who is currently living in >Montserrat and who would be willing to go to Plymouth and review >information >(however sparce) that pertains to records from 1851 to 1890. I would be >most >willing to financially compensate time spent in this search. >With thanks, >Alannah > > >==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== >all messages posted to CARIBBEAN-L are archived at >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ >Before posting a query, see if the question has already been asked > "Sharing the information." _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail

I think they moved the government offices

Glad to see Donald Akenson's book mentioned. My family links run vaguely backwards from Virginia to Barbados, St.Kitts, Montserrat and Ireland and, as it turns out, Professor Akenson is a long-time friend whose career (and writings) I'd lost track of. The book's thesis, fully and carefully documented, is that the oft-pitied early Irish emigrants (here I'm including my own likely progenitors) displayed very little difficulty in both drifting away from the Church and, themselves, becoming prominent slave owners in the new world. It is my strong impression that the indenturing system is often exaggerated as "slavery." In unusual circumstances the physical treatment (work, punishment, abuse of females) of indentured servants could resemble slavery. But their legal status couldn't have been more different. An indentured servant's relationship with the person paying his passage was based in contract; that contract was enforceable by either side. A slave had no contractual rights whatsoever. A slave was property, and had no more independent legal rights than a wagon, a plow, or a dog would have. Contracts are frequently broken and misapplied, and some indentured servants certainly encountered such abuse, but there was recourse in the courts and the great majority of indentured servants went on to fulfill their indenture, receive the promised consideration (usually a plot of land), and form many of America's original families. J. Fallin

Hi, all, Joyce just put in an extra slash. The correct link is http://www.historicaldirectories.org Haakon Chevalier Cambridge, Massachusetts Lenora Anderson wrote: > Tried the Historic new link you suggested.. It came back as unknown page.. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joyce Falink" <jfalink@rconnect.com> > To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2003 7:17 AM > Subject: Newspaperarchive.com & another good find > > > Hello Edward and List Members, > > > > Regarding the Jamaica Gleaner, it will be searchable once it is on > > line. The newspaperarchive.com web site calls itself, "The world's > > first, largest and busiest website of fully-searchable historic > > newspapers." > > > > Additionally, I made another find. If you have Scottish and English > > ancestors, and have an idea of where they came from. A number of old > > directories are on line and electronically searchable at this site. The > > site is http:///www.historicaldirectories.org > > > > Happy hunting. > > > > Joyce Falink > > > > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > > ROOTSWEB MAILING LIST HELP PAGES > > What is a Mailing List? > > http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/help/mail1.html -- PLEASE NOTE: I have modified my "reply to" address in an effort to avoid automated spam. If you wish to reply to me, please remove "AntiSpam" from the return address.

Thanks Graham -- I've been trying for Hotten on interlibrary loan forever - & for about $25 US this is a bargain. Lisa

The list comes from The Grenada Handbook, Directory and Almanac for the Year 1897. The call number is F2056.2 G74. It may be available through an interlibrary loan. If not I am happy to look ups. Daphne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenora Anderson" <ldanderson@sbcglobal.net> To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 9:30 AM Subject: Re: List of estates--Grenada: De Freitas > Thanks! Is there any chance of getting this book?? You have raised questions > about other estates.. since I was not familiar with Woodlansd, I wonder how > many other Estates they were invilved with??? Lenora > From: "Daphne Phillips Daifas" <daphne.daifas@mail.mcgill.ca> > To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2003 3:04 PM > Subject: Re: List of estates--Grenada: De Freitas > > > > Hi Leonora > > > > E.M. De Freitas is listed (p. 16) as proprietor/manager of Woodlands > Estate, St. George's (700 acres, producing 1,000 Brls. sugar and 2,500 Gals. > rum). Believe it or not, Dougalston Estate was not included in the list. > > > > Daphne > > > > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > > ROOTSWEB MAILING LIST HELP PAGES > > What is a Mailing List? > > http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/help/mail1.html > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > ROOTSWEB MAILING LIST HELP PAGES > What is a Mailing List? > http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/help/mail1.html > >

Hi Daphne thanks for the offer, does the list include estates on Carriacou? if so do the names Raymond or David appear anywhere? regards dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daphne Phillips Daifas" <daphne.daifas@mail.mcgill.ca> To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2003 6:57 PM Subject: List of estates in Grenada > Hi everyone > > I have a list of estates, with their proprietors, and managers, organized by parish, that was published in the Grenada Handbook, 1897 edition (pp. 116-129). Although the list covers 14 pages, it does include a compiler's note: "This list is necessarily compiled from information supplied by owners, lessees, &c., and, although more properties are included this year, it is still far from being complete". > > If you are interested in knowing who owned a specific property in 1897 or want to know if a specific person is listed as proprietor or manager for that year, I am willing to do simple look-ups. > > Daphne > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > all messages posted to CARIBBEAN-L are archived at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Before posting a query, see if the question has already been asked > >

Listers, This sounds like a combination of Mrs. Sanders' volumes on Barbados records plus Hotten's "Lists," but what are the "lists of landowners"? Can anyone confirmt he above? George Sanborn Graham Milne wrote: > I thought members might be interested to hear about a new CD which is > available which has hundreds of pages of info. on Barbados genealogy, > including parish registers, tickets to America and other places, lists of > landowners and so on. See: > > http://www.abc-publications.co.uk/shop/products.php?p=51b431 > > Hope this helps, > > Graham Milne > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > ROOTSWEB MAILING LIST HELP PAGES > What is a Mailing List? > http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/help/mail1.html

Thanks! Is there any chance of getting this book?? You have raised questions about other estates.. since I was not familiar with Woodlansd, I wonder how many other Estates they were invilved with??? Lenora From: "Daphne Phillips Daifas" <daphne.daifas@mail.mcgill.ca> To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2003 3:04 PM Subject: Re: List of estates--Grenada: De Freitas > Hi Leonora > > E.M. De Freitas is listed (p. 16) as proprietor/manager of Woodlands Estate, St. George's (700 acres, producing 1,000 Brls. sugar and 2,500 Gals. rum). Believe it or not, Dougalston Estate was not included in the list. > > Daphne > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > ROOTSWEB MAILING LIST HELP PAGES > What is a Mailing List? > http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/help/mail1.html

I have not yet read either of these books. "They Were White And They Were Slaves" by Michael A. Hoffman 11 This one covers servitude from medieval Europe to 19th century America. "White Slaves, African Masters: An Anthology of American Barbary Captivity Narratives" by Paul Michel Baepler Hester

I thought members might be interested to hear about a new CD which is available which has hundreds of pages of info. on Barbados genealogy, including parish registers, tickets to America and other places, lists of landowners and so on. See: http://www.abc-publications.co.uk/shop/products.php?p=51b431 Hope this helps, Graham Milne

The link above seems to misdirect -- here is a clean one http://www.archives.gov/aad/ Lisa

Just saw in the news - of interest to a few on the list I'm sure -- ""WASHINGTON - Researchers, genealogists and the plain curious can now use the Internet to check more than 50 million historical records at the National Archives, from Civil War battles to family immigration files. Before the system became available, people had to either visit the Archives and spend hours combing through documents or request the files by phone and pay to have them mailed. "Now, people can pull these electronic records at their own convenience," said Michael Carlson, electronic and special media records director for the archives. "It's totally self-service from your desktop." The records available on the database system represent a small fraction of the archive's electronic holdings. They were selected because of their analytical and statistical nature - most deal with information that easily can be looked up based on specific names, dates, organizations, cities or states. For instance, someone wanting to research a great-grandfather who immigrated to the United States in the 19th century can choose the series of records listed under "immigrants," enter the relative's name and learn on what ship he traveled, the occupation he claimed prior to leaving, the date he arrived in New York, and the country from which he left, among other details. " website is National Archives' Access to Archives Databases: http://www.archives.gov/aad/ Lisa

Hi Daphne - This is great of you - You'll have the Grenada crew coming out of the woodwork! Looking for Peterkins - Belvidere (or anywhere) & perhaps Marshall - Mt Pleasant. Thanks -- Lisa

I am not affiliated with FamilyTreeDNA. Since I have written about the DNA tests in the past and I saw this in an email circular I get and though it would be of interest to this list. Rory In the News: Family Tree DNA announces African Data =================================================== Family Tree DNA is pleased to announce that it has started to integrate a large number of 12-Marker and 25-Marker Y Chromosome African test samples to the Haplogroup database. The initial upload, which has already taken place, consisted of several hundred samples from Zaire, Kenya, Ghana and South Africa. It is important to know that in many cases, tribal references are included. Several thousand samples will be added once the integration is completed in about 60 days.

I know my Hindu Indian friends tell me there is a place on the Ganges where family histories are recorded and when there is a death of a father, the son is supposed to go there to make a pilgrimage and update the record. Many of my friends were shocked as to how detailed and how far back these went (to the 1500's). This may be helpful for Caribbean people who can trace the family back to a particular locality in India. Rory -----Original Message----- From: Guy Grannum [mailto:guy@gcgrannum.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: 05 April 2003 22:46 To: CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Hindu and Muslim records I'm attempting to improve my knowledge of the sorts of records available for Caribbean family historians. I think that I am OK with the records created by Christian religions but have not been able to find anything on the other religious groups represented in the Caribbean especially Muslim and Hindu religions. Can anyone offer any advice on rites of passage such as birth, marriage and burial - were (are) these recorded and available for researchers; what other sort of records were (are) created. Were (are) these types of records routinely used by all mosques/temples or would they vary according to the incumbent? Are they stored in the mosque/temple or centrally in the archive, register office, or religious headquarters? What experience have people had trying to obtain information or gain access to these records? Thanks for any advice - please share it with the group rather than to me directly. Guy Grannum ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== ROOTSWEB MAILING LIST HELP PAGES What is a Mailing List? http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/help/mail1.html