Don't know about Ottley in St Vincent, but I was married (about 30 years ago) to an Ottley living in Australia. Regards Di ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nevilla E. Ottley" <clasebon@erols.com> To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 6:56 AM Subject: Re: OTTLEY in ST. VINCENT > Thanks, Jim. > > Nevilla > > > James W Cropper wrote: > > >Please, please let me play Nevilla! > > > >I hope you haven't missed a few twigs of your family tree at the following > >sites :- > >http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Foothills/9637/ottelett/ottelett.htm > >http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Foothills/9637/omigrat.htm > > > >There is a little note about Cindy's friend Valentine MORRIS in the first > >site. > > > >Jim C. > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Nevilla E. Ottley" <clasebon@erols.com> > >To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> > >Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 12:19 PM > >Subject: OTTLEY in ST. VINCENT > > > >>Does anyone besides Jim Cropper have any information on Ottley family on > >>the island of St. Vincent, and their emigration to the island of Tobago > >>at any time? I would appreciate leads. > >> > >>Thank you. > >> > >>Nevilla E. Ottley > >> > > > > > > > >==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > >all messages posted to CARIBBEAN-L are archived at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > >Before posting a query, see if the question has already been asked > > > > > > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > all messages posted to CARIBBEAN-L are archived at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Before posting a query, see if the question has already been asked >
My experience with the term "Planter" comes from family Parish Baptismal records (St. Patrick's Grenada). My wife's grandfather listed occupation as 'tailor' until he acquired land and began producing cocoa. His occupation for the later children is 'planter'. His brother acquired land even later; although listing himself as 'carpenter' on all of the baptismal records, his death certificate states 'planter'. The Estate list of 1890 Grenada that Daphne discussed on this list recently are a different matter. I would say that being an Estate owner (even of a 5 acre estate) was farther up the social ladder than a Planter. Tim On Sat, 12 Apr 2003 17:20:29 +0000 (UTC), panton@telus.net (panton) wrote: >In Jamaica and Cayman I have found Planter to mean the owner of a farm or planation -- does not appear to be a link between size of >land and use of planter > >Pre 1834/5 I've found it used for those classified as 'White' and 'Free Coloured' but have not come across any 'Free Black' > >After 1834/5 I still found only those classification listed as Planters -- but that is may be as no free black persons 'owned' farms or >estates. > >In Honduras however the term referred to anyone who owned the farm - colour not relevant. Farm Worker was used for workers vs owners. > >In Ja and Cayman I've found the term Labourer to be all encompassing as anyone (other than a trades person eg blacksmith, fisherman, >sawyer etc) who worked for someone else outside the house > >Towards the end of the 1800's the term seems to have died out >Rhona > >"Ernest M. Wiltshire" wrote: > >> Marcos, that is very interesting: I wonder if the language usage varies >> from island to island. There certainly seem to have been great >> differences between the societies of Barbados & St. Vincent, perhaps >> because of St. Vincent being settled so late, and without the huge >> population of Barbados. What role might the very strong Scots influence >> have played in St. Vincent? Perhaps wealth was a more important factor >> than race. Does anyone have other examples from other islands? >> >> Ernest M. Wiltshire >> -----Original Message----- >> From: MReilly169@aol.com [mailto:MReilly169@aol.com] >> Subject: Re: "Planter" >> I don't know about Barbados, but I can tell you that my ggrandfather on >> St. Vincent, who was from a "coloured" family although light enough to >> "pass," (as it would be put in the US) is described in a number of legal >> documents as a "Planter," >> >> ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== >> For information on individual islands, research aids, island bulletin boards or history please visit the CaribbeanGenWeb project at >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~caribgw/
I have made some very rewarding strides in tracking down my wife's Grenada family, consisting of BLACKBURNS, BELLS, SINCLAIRS and WILSONS from Carriacou. The rewarding part is that I have been able to put so many names on the tree and that most are alive. We now have a network of relatives that have trying to find each other for some time. Yesterday, I spent in the Family History Center going over the Baptismal Records of Wilsons in Carriacou. This is what I reported out to the family regarding my findings: I started searching the Carriacou Baptismal records from 1842, writing down all of the Wilsons and Ovids -- figuring that some may be relatives to connect later on. What surprised me was finding Blackburns and Bells -- though not many. Of interest here is the 1844 marriage certificate for the couple Henry Blackburn and Bess both from Petite Martinique. This marriage seems to make this couple too young to have been the grandparents of Henry and Douglas; the latter was born 16 years later. Possibly this Henry is the father of Henry and Douglas, or just coincidently has the same name. Henry was the witness at the marriage in 1847 of Jame Blackburn and Flora John both of Belair Estate. As I was going through the microfilm I found a huge gap (missing records) from 1850 to 1877. I had hoped in the time period to find the birth of Charles Wilson. I have continued to copy down all of the Wilsons. I can say that most of the Wilsons in Carriacou came from either Brunswick Estate or Beausejour, both locations close to the capital of Hillsborough. I can also tell you that they tended to do skilled work with their hands. Of all of the occupations listed on the Parish records, that of 'laborer' appeared most frequently. The most frequent occupation listed for Wilsons was 'mason'; other listings included tailor, shoemaker and carpenter. A listing appears in 1881 for the baptism of Maryann Ovid, child of Ann Sophia Ovid, laborer of Belmont, born 3/20/1881, baptized 5/25/1881. Another record gap occurred between 1888 and 1900. I think that any baptismal records for Isaac and Newbold are lost with these missing records. I was a bit discouraged, when... I came across HAMILTON, BAPTIZED APRIL 8, 1903, CHRIST CHURCH, CARRIACOU, PARENTS CHARLES DAVID WILSON AND MARY ANNE WILSON OF L'ESTERRE, OCCUPATION SAILMAKER. I did find an Isaac Wilson born the next year to Polina Wilson, laborer of L'Esterre. This Isaac was born June 30, 1904 and baptized August 31, 1904. I also found the marriage of Thomas Ovid age 27 in May of 1903, father's name Robert Ovid -- I was wondering if Mary Anne and Thomas were sister and brother. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ We recently discovered that my wife's grandparents are Charles Wilson and his wife MaryAnne Ovid. Tim
Di, The Ottley family which came out of England and Scotland certainly traveled the world over back in the 1500s to the present time. I have several Ottleys from Australia and New Zealand on my Ottley mailing list. Would you please contact me off list. Thank you. Nevilla E. Ottley Di Coghlan wrote: >Don't know about Ottley in St Vincent, but I was married (about 30 years >ago) to an Ottley living in Australia. >Regards > >Di >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Nevilla E. Ottley" <clasebon@erols.com> >To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 6:56 AM >Subject: Re: OTTLEY in ST. VINCENT > > >>Thanks, Jim. >> >>Nevilla >> >> >>James W Cropper wrote: >> >>>Please, please let me play Nevilla! >>> >>>I hope you haven't missed a few twigs of your family tree at the >>> >following > >>>sites :- >>> >>http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Foothills/9637/ottelett/ottelett.htm >> >>>http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Foothills/9637/omigrat.htm >>> >>>There is a little note about Cindy's friend Valentine MORRIS in the first >>>site. >>> >>>Jim C. >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Nevilla E. Ottley" <clasebon@erols.com> >>>To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> >>>Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 12:19 PM >>>Subject: OTTLEY in ST. VINCENT >>> >>>>Does anyone besides Jim Cropper have any information on Ottley family on >>>>the island of St. Vincent, and their emigration to the island of Tobago >>>>at any time? I would appreciate leads. >>>> >>>>Thank you. >>>> >>>>Nevilla E. Ottley >>>> >>> >>> >>>==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== >>>all messages posted to CARIBBEAN-L are archived at >>> >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > >>>Before posting a query, see if the question has already been asked >>> >>> >> >> >>==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== >>all messages posted to CARIBBEAN-L are archived at >> >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > >>Before posting a query, see if the question has already been asked >> > > >==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== >ROOTSWEB MAILING LIST HELP PAGES >What is a Mailing List? >http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/help/mail1.html > >
The Sanchos of Guyana are in the process of identifying, locating, researching and documenting, their story the History of the Sancho family. Sancho family of Guyana would like to communicate with Nevilla Ottley on the subjects descendants of Ignatius Sancho 1729 - 1780 and Sancho of Trinidad. Sancho family of Guyana accept they are descended from Ignatius Sancho, and are related to the Sancho families of Liberia, U.K, USA, Grenada, Barbados and Trinidad. Sanchos of Guyana wonder who are related to the Sancho family of Guyana, formerly British Guiana, and or to Ignatius Sancho 1729-1780, of Westminster, England. I am a Sancho of Guyana, I am of the opinion I am descended from Ignatius Sancho; the literary African man of letters and the arts, in eighteenth century England. The generation chart from Ignatius Sancho to Selwyn Ross may very well be as follows; 1.Ignatius Charles Sancho 1729-80 2.William Leach Osborne 'Billy' Sancho 20 Oct. 1775 - 5 May 1810 3.Christopher 'Boss' Bentick Sancho 4.Tuckness Sancho 1850-1923 5.Alexander Sancho 1873-1945 6.Muriel Eleese Birchelline Sancho 1914-1990 7.Selwyn Ross 1955 Sancho family of Guyana is interested in communicating with known Sanchos of Guyana, residents of Trinidad including; Claude H. Denbow and the children of Colin Sancho - a Sancho of Nabaclis, Guyana. Sancho of Trinidad and Tobago. Brent Sancho, Cyril Sancho, E. Gerald Sancho, Glenn Sancho, Grace Sancho, J.Sancho, Janet Sancho, Julia Sancho, Kareene Sancho, Keith Sancho, Zinette Sancho, Peter Sancho,Patricia Ann Sancho, Phillip Sancho,Ralph Sancho, Sade Sancho, Sharon Sancho, Simon Sancho and Vincente. Sancho of Barbados. Hoolio Sancho, Lisa Sancho,and Morlyne Sancho. Sancho of of Grenada. Pepe Sancho I am especially interested in every Sancho who has a (Guyana) British Guiana connection. Those who are descendants of Benjamin, [James and Rebecca Sancho Christ Church,Barbados c. Sept 8, 1838], Rebecca Sancho of Kent, John Sancho, Tuckness Lambert, and Mary Sancho. Person and or persons with knowledge of Sancho of Trinidad and the Caribbean, are asked to inform and or send contact information [email addresses preferred] to email:childrenofsancho@yahoo.com. Your information will be well appreciated by the Sanchos of Guyana. Sancho Mailing Lists Sancho-L-request@rootsweb.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/globalsanchos group email:globalsanchos@yahoogroups.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/descendantsofsancho group email:descendantsofsancho@yahoogroups.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/goldengrovenabaclis group email:goldengrovenabaclis@yahoogroups.com Sidney Marious email: smarious@utnet.utoledo.edu Chioma Phillips email: cphillips@usco.com fax:(919)992-4618 Venica Sancho email:venica@sympatico.ca Kenneth Robertson 2901 Upton Avenue Toledo, OH 43606 Tel:419-472-8379 email:kajrob@aol.com
Clive Lloyd, who is also related to the Harpers it appears. Hi Sancho Researchers I would take me a long time to reply and add my bit on the Sancho heritage. We could talk ((973) 643-5404) but here are some useful leads. Roberts family of Mahaica are related to the Sanchos. Walter Theophilus Roberts of Mahaica , was a major landowner in the village. He was the traveler, doing blasting and quarrying contract work in Nigeria, Brazil and Panama. He also owned the Seba Quarry in the Demerara River, which supplied most of the stone for the construction of the American Airbase at Atkinson Field - thereafter Timehri and now CBJ. The Sancho and Harper and Younge (the Younges of Buxton - Weygon, Norma and Ivy) connections. Harper connection - Monty Harper - who was Minister of Health, Roger Harper - coach of the West Indies team I am interested in knowing about the conditions under which the patriarchs - Bentick, John and Tuckness Sancho came to Guyana. Your information will be well appreciated by the Sanchos of Guyana. To subscribe to Sancho Mailing Lists email:sancho-L-request@rootsweb.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/globalsanchos group email:globalsanchos@yahoogroups.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/descendantsofsancho group email:descendantsofsancho@yahoogroups.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/goldengrovenabaclis group email:goldengrovenabaclis@yahoogroups.com Sidney Marious email: smarious@utnet.utoledo.edu Chioma Phillips email: cphillips@usco.com fax:(919)992-4618 Venica Sancho email: venica@sympatico.ca Kenneth Robertson 2901 Upton Avenue Toledo, OH 43606 Tel:419-472-8379 email:kajrob@aol.com
I am looking for Sancho family members of Trinidad. Sancho of Trinidad and Tobago. Brent Sancho ,Cyril Sancho,E Gerald Sancho, Glenn Sancho, Grace Sancho, J.Sancho, Janet Sancho, Julia Sancho, Kareene Sancho, Keith Sancho, Zinette Sancho,Patricia Ann Sancho, Peter Sancho,Phillip Sancho,Ralph Sancho, Sade Sancho, Sharon Sancho, Simon Sancho and Vincente. Sancho of Barbados. Hoolio Sancho, Lisa Sancho,and Morlyne Sancho. Sancho of of Grenada. Pepe Sancho I wonder whether they are related to the Sancho family of Guyana, formerly British Guiana, and or to Ignatius Sancho 1729-1780,of Westminster, England. I am a Sancho of Guyana, I am of the opinion I am descended from Ignatius Sancho; the literary African man of letters and the arts, in eighteenth century England. The Sanchos of Guyana are in the process of identifying, locating, researching and documenting, their history – the history of the Sancho family. I am especially interested in every Sancho who has a (Guyana) British Guiana connection. Those who are related or and descended from John Sancho c1880? I am interested in Claude H. Denbow and family of Trinidad as well. Any person knowledge of Sancho of Trinidad is asked to information and or send email addresses to forum Your information will be well appreciated by the Sanchos of Guyana. To subscribe to Sancho Mailing Lists email:sancho-L-request@rootsweb.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/globalsanchos group email:globalsanchos@yahoogroups.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/descendantsofsancho group email:descendantsofsancho@yahoogroups.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/goldengrovenabaclis group email:goldengrovenabaclis@yahoogroups.com Sidney Marious email: smarious@utnet.utoledo.edu Chioma Phillips email: cphillips@usco.com fax:(919)992-4618 Venica Sancho email: venica@sympatico.ca Kenneth Robertson 2901 Upton Avenue Toledo, OH 43606 Tel:419-472-8379 email:kajrob@aol.com
Hi Nevilla, Thanks again. Please do not forget to ask Tim about the Index to the Codrington Correspondence. Richard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nevilla E. Ottley" <clasebon@erols.com> To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 2:03 PM Subject: Re: ALLICOCKs in Tim Anderson/ Codrington Correspondence > Dear Richard, > > All the correspondence you have sent have been forwarded to the Allicock > family I know here my area. However, both families were involved as has > mine, in our children's 2003 L'Elegance Cotillion/Beautillion that > occured on Sunday, April 13. In fact, my son's escort was an Allicock, > and her cousin was a beau. I trust her father, and his cousin will > respond to this. They are all from Guyana. > > Sincerely, > > Nevilla E. Ottley > > Richard Allicock wrote: > > > Hi Nevilla, > > > > > > > > I am sure that you will recall my letter to you about my Allicock > > research, which you posted at Rootsweb (your letter 09/02/03). As you > > can see from my recent posting to the list, I am still looking for > > more Allicocks in the WI, and have broadened my net by pointing to the > > variations and by not specifying a time frame or particular Islands. > > > > > > > > I heard from very few of the people that I sent my comphrehensive > > summary to, but the few that I did hear from did provide some useful > > information, including a William Allercott will in St. Kitts. This > > William I am sure was one of Capt. Syer Allicock's sons. However, an > > email to the archivist Mrs. O'Flaherty has not met with any response. > > So I guess I will have to write her again. > > > > > > > > However I am happy to report that I have definitely established that > > Capt. Syer Allicock did come from Northamptonshire. Now I am still > > trying to find the link to the Demerara Allicocks. Hence this letter > > to you. It was sparked by your mention of Tim Anderson and the > > Codrington Correspondence. The time period of 1740's to 1780's also > > sparked my interest. > > > > > > > > In my summary I mentioned a will in Antigua of 1784, for Elizabeth > > Carnegie, nee Allicock, one of Syer's daughter's. This might mean that > > Allicocks were in Antigua until 1784. I have been unable to get a copy > > of this will, from the LDS micro-film or from the Antigua archives, > > which unlike the St. Kitts archives was kind enough to look for it. > > > > > > > > I am hoping that the Codrington Correspondence for Antigua is Indexed, > > and it will be possible for Tim Anderson to look for any mention of > > Allicocks and variations in there. Can you ask Tim for me? Thanks. > > > > > > > > Looking forward to hearing from you. > > > > > > > > Richard Allicock > > > > Toronto Canada > > > > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > all messages posted to CARIBBEAN-L are archived at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Before posting a query, see if the question has already been asked > >
Philippe The plan of Dominica surveyed by John Byres, 1776 is held by The National Archives (Public Record Office) under the reference CO 700/Dominica6. According to 'Maps and Plans in the Public Record Office, vol 2 America and West Indies' a printed reference book is attached containing a key to the owners and the areas of lands. I've no idea about the other 2 questions you ask although you can apply for an estimate for the cost of copying online via http://www.pro.gov.uk/recordcopying/default.htm Hope that this helps Guy Grannum ----- Original Message ----- From: "RossignolP" <rossignolp@aol.com> To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 8:54 AM Subject: Plan of Dominica 1777 Bonjour At museum of Roseau there is a wonderful Plan of the island of Dominica as surveyed from the year 1765 to 1773 by John Byres Chief Surveyor London Printed for S. Hooper, No 25, Ludgate Hill MDCCLXXVII This plan is also at PRO. I want to know 1°) The reference of this plan and of the list of settlers 2°) If the list of settlers is on Internet 3°) If it is possible to have a copy of this plan from PRO (price) Regards Merci d'avance Philippe Rossignol ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== all messages posted to CARIBBEAN-L are archived at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ Before posting a query, see if the question has already been asked
Richard -- I gave Marion Blair the Antigua Archivist a three month period in which a particular person had died and asked if he could find any death records. I got 3 emails in return. My feeling is that Mr. Blair may be sorting inquiries into bins labeled open-ended and close-ended. The close-ended questions he can check and complete in a finite time. I am not sure how you framed your inquiry, but I am suggesting that you frame it so that a Yes or No answer will suffice (or as close to that as possible). For example, "Was there a tavern operator by the name Allicock in St. John's in 1780?" I think he can give that kind of question a quick and definitive Yes or No; and that you will get a response. Let me know if you need that email address. Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Allicock" <richwyn@idirect.com> To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 8:03 PM Subject: Tim Anderson/ Codrington Correspondence > Hi Nevilla, > > I am sure that you will recall my letter to you about my Allicock research, which you posted at Rootsweb (your letter 09/02/03). As you can see from my recent posting to the list, I am still looking for more Allicocks in the WI, and have broadened my net by pointing to the variations and by not specifying a time frame or particular Islands. > > I heard from very few of the people that I sent my comphrehensive summary to, but the few that I did hear from did provide some useful information, including a William Allercott will in St. Kitts. This William I am sure was one of Capt. Syer Allicock's sons. However, an email to the archivist Mrs. O'Flaherty has not met with any response. So I guess I will have to write her again. > > However I am happy to report that I have definitely established that Capt. Syer Allicock did come from Northamptonshire. Now I am still trying to find the link to the Demerara Allicocks. Hence this letter to you. It was sparked by your mention of Tim Anderson and the Codrington Correspondence. The time period of 1740's to 1780's also sparked my interest. > > In my summary I mentioned a will in Antigua of 1784, for Elizabeth Carnegie, nee Allicock, one of Syer's daughter's. This might mean that Allicocks were in Antigua until 1784. I have been unable to get a copy of this will, from the LDS micro-film or from the Antigua archives, which unlike the St. Kitts archives was kind enough to look for it. > > I am hoping that the Codrington Correspondence for Antigua is Indexed, and it will be possible for Tim Anderson to look for any mention of Allicocks and variations in there. Can you ask Tim for me? Thanks. > > Looking forward to hearing from you. > > Richard Allicock > Toronto Canada > > ______________________________
I know of Allicocks from Guyana. My former hairstylist in Montreal is an Allicock. Cheryl Hazell _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Allicock To: newspost@ttfn35.freeserve.co.uk Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 2:16 AM Subject: Allicock&families,St.Kitts&environs, UK,US,Guyana Dear Michael, Greetings from Toronto, Canada. I hope that you may be able to help me with my research. Thank you for taking the time to read this letter. I am looking for further information on the Alicock (also spelt Allicock, and Allicocke) family. For convenience I will on occasion spell it Al(l)icock(e). I found you all on a list at Robert Garrigus's Website. I am hoping that you may have come across the afore-mentioned names outside of Vere Langford Oliver's "Caribbeanna" and "History of Antigua." I have not looked at his "Monumental Inscriptions" since I think it goes to 1723, so I do not know if there is anything of relevance in there, but there might be for the families with which the Al(l)icock(e) family may have inter-marrried with, inclusive of the ones you are researching. I have also not been able to look in Smith's Caribbean Families in the Library of the Society of Genealogists in London. There may also be information on this family and related ones mentioned below, in the St. Kitts and other Islands Wills Index, which I have also not have the privilege of examining. The head of the family was a Capt. Syer Al(l)icock(e), initially known as James, but for most of his life and military career known as Syer. He had a son called William, and another called Joseph. He also had three daughters: Elizabeth married a Carnegie, (widowed before 1784); Jane married George Fleming in 1734, and Lydia who died in 1736. Most of this comes from Vere Oliver Langford's "Caribeanna." I think I may have found the family he descended from, located in Northamtonshire since the 1600's, but formerly of Sttaffordshire. I am hoping to find more information on him that would positively connect him to that family or maybe another. Syer (James) Allicocke was commissioned in St. James in London as a Lt. in 1713 to Captain Jorrance of Col. Lucas Regiment of Foot in the West Indies. He was later commissioned Capt.-Lt. in Col. Lucas Regiiment of Foot, in 1723, and to Capt. in Col. Dalzell's Regiment of Foot, in 1736, both regiments being stationed in the West Indies. His son William was still serving in the First Marines 1758, but did not rejoin the reformed marines. (Information from a letter from the Marines Museum in the UK, dated 1982, in Papers of Mary Smith Fay, (US Genealogist, d. 2000, papers in a Texas Library) I found William being made an Ensign in 1742/43 at La Guyra? in Capt. Lucas Regiment of Foot. Oliver could not be sure of the year that the attack on La Guyra took place. Anybody know where La Guyra was/is? Panama? John, possibly a son of Syer, may have been the John Allicock I found marrying Mary Wilkinson in Barbados in 1752 and they had Sarah in 1754 and John in 1756. There were no Allicocks in Barbados before 1752 and none after 1756 in the records compiled by Joanne McRee Sanders. But there were Wilkinsons there as early as the 1716 Census. This John, may have had another daughter Sussannah who married a Moor(e)house. His daughter Sarah may have married an Anderson. This John may have also had also had two other sons, Robert Frederick, and Thomas. The latter do not appear in the Barbados records before 1752 and after 1756. All of John's family may have ended up in Demerara after 1796. All of them except his son John were mentioned in Robert's will in Demerara in 1822, as if they were in Demerara at the time. John had died in 1819, leaving his own plantation. (Demerara, along with other Dutch colonies of Essequibo and Berbice, now comprise Guyana in South America, previously known as British Guiana up to Independence in 1966). The capitualtion of the Dutch to the British took in Demerara took place in 1796, and I do not think the family lived there until a bit after, judging from the fact that Robert's children were minors when he died in 1822, and the fact that Thomas married there in 1797. I think they were absentee owners and lived some-place else, in the Caribbean Islands or North America. Syer's son Joseph, was certainly in Philadelhia before 1760, where he went to school, and where I found him in connection to Will of an Elizabeth Pemberton as a witness, and as a correspondent to an Israel Pemberton, both in 1760. Any relationship to the St. Kitts Pembertons? I also found the mention of a Will (in Oliver) by Mrs Elizabeth Carnegie, widow, nee Allicock, which mentions her brother Joseph dated 1784 in Antigua. I contacted the Antigua Archives but they could not find it. I also looked at the relevant LDS film as well as several others, but the condition of all was so poor as to be a waste of ti! me. Joseph left America in 1783 for the UK. I found him in London until 1794 where he had re-established himself as a wine merchant. Two of his sons (John and Joseph?) (both in J.C. Murtree's "Loyalists in the Southern Campaign") were Officers in the Loyalist Forces during the American revolution. He also may have been a Col. in the Colonial New York militia before the Revolution. He also left some of his children in America. These are mentioned by Mary Smith Fay. For the foregoing reasons I would really appreciate hearing from you on any Al(l)icock(e), Anderson, Carnegie, Fleming, Moor(e)house (also spelt, Muirhouse) and Wilkinson that you may have come across in your research in and around St. Kitts and other Islands as well as North America and the UK, who are possibly related. Thank you for your time. Looking forward to hearing from you, even if you have no information or advice to offer at this time Yours sincerely, Richard Allicock, Toronto, Canada
Hi Jim, Thanks for replying. It seems that you are just are a stone's throw away. Thanks for the information on the micro-film. I have been looking primarily in St. Kitts and Antigua. I have found relevant information in Langford's Caribbeanna and in the Barbados records. However, I can find no info. in Barbados after 1756, or in St. Kitts after 1778, and Antigua after 1784. I am trying to link these Allicocks to those in Demerara, Guyana. The latter obtained land in 1752 in Demerara, but appeared not to have lived there until after 1797. So I have begun broadening my search across all the Caribbean Islands. The St. Kitts Allicocks are linked to North American Allicocks as early as 1607, 1647, and 1750's-1784. (These are just the ones I can find records of). The latter are linked to the Northamptonshire Allicocks as are the St. Kitts and Antigua ones. But I do not know where the Demerara Allicocks were before they went to Guyana. So I have been looking across North America, the UK and now right across the Caribbean. You will get more information from a reply to Nevilla Ottley. I will also forward a letter of a few months ago that I made to very many Caribbean researchers. Can you tell me if the LDS in Brampton has Film for all of the Caribbean? It might be better for me to go there both for the St. Vicent film and others. I usually have to wait 8-weeks for LDS films to arive from Utah. Looking forward to hearing from you. Rich ----- Original Message ----- From: James W Cropper To: Richard Allicock Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 8:03 AM Subject: Re: Any Allicock, or Allercott or variations? Hi Rich, I see you are from Toronto. Many of us like to think of Toronto as a suburb of Mississauga! I have the film on "permanent loan" at the LDS library in Brampton. The following lists are only for the years where the indexes show there are entries. Baptisms 1765-1870 Index Baptisms of Slaves 1826-1834 No Index Marriages 1765-1870 Index Marriages of Slaves 1825-1834 No Index Burials 1765-1855 Index The records are for the Church of England (Anglican). There are no records here for other Denominations. Many of my family tree branch were Methodists and I have yet to find any of their records after about 1820. This also applies to Church of Scotland (Presbyterian), French and English Roman Catholics and Jews. In the early years there are many French names who may have switched churches when the island came under the British. I certainly can't go through the whole film as it would take weeks as there must be 20,000 entries just in Baptisms (~500 pages with ~40 per page). The Indexes are helpful but there are errors and omissions. As you mention there are many variations in the spelling of some of the names. I am having problems with your request. Which of the Islands is your family from? What is the name of person(s) you are seeking? Are there any siblings? Do you know if they were in the Military or had a profession? What decades were they there? I collected a few entries on PATTON/PATTEN over time as a few years ago there was a discussion on the list about General George PATTON and some connection to the West Indies which I have since forgotten. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Allicock To: jameswcropper@sympatico.ca Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2003 12:40 AM Subject: Any Allicock, or Allercott or variations? Hi Jim, I just joined the list. I am looking for any Allicock, or Allercott and variations of this name throughout the West Indies. The variations are too many but generally there may be one "l"; there may be an "e" at the end, the "i" may be replaced by an "e", an "ey", or an "er"; the "k" may be replaced by a "tt" and the "i" may be dropped altogether and become Alcock or Allcock, or the "A" may be replaced by an "E" with any combination of the foregoing other letter changes mentioned. I just happened to see your correspondence with Di, and you appear to have the St. Vincent micro-film at hand. If you still have the film can you see if any of the names or variations mentioned above appear in the St. Vincent records? Hopefully there is an index and you will not have to go through the whole film. Looking forward to hearing from you. Thanks. Rich
Dear Listers, I don't usually send around jokes, but this one sent to me by a friend of a friend at the U. of Md. had me in stitches. I must tell you that one of our Listers is visiting with us this week, and at dinner last night, I asked who should read it. We all agreed that the Londoner should read it. His research is on Trinidad and he has spent many moons there. Well, I don't know whether we laughed more at the cool joke, or at the fact that a blue-eyed Londoner did read the Trinidadianese so well. Enjoy. > >Once upon a time some Antiguans pay a group of Bajans to go in Jamaica >and bounce dong two big mango tree. All de mango fall dong and many >fruit were lost. De Jamaicans get vex and decide to start a war. >Dey went in Caricom an' akse de committee to approve a war against >Trinidad. > >De Caricom members get confuse one time. > >"Why Trinidad?" dey aksed. > >"Becah everybady know Manning dred. Even doh dem nah acktally bounce dong >we tree dem, dem makin' weapan'a Mango Destruction, an' me wah stap it," >replied Jamaica. > >So Caricom sen' inspectors in Trinidad to look for weapons of Mango Destruction. All dey fine was one Julie mango under Manning bed and two >bottle wid mango chutney in de Red House. Caricom tell Jamaica to cool >dey herbs. Trinidad have no Long Range Mango plans. But de Jamaicans was >determined to invade Trinidad. Dey give Trinidad forty-eight hours to hand over all dey mango. > All in a sudden de rest of de Caribbean start taking sides. One side >get vex wid Jamaica and say how it wasn't Trini who bounce dong no mango >tree and how is only Trinidad oil de Jamaicans want. De nex' side bawl >"yes yes! Dem Trini was always too fresh-up! All dey doing is wine'in an' playing mas! Dey trying to destroy morality wid all dat slackness. We mus' go een an' make dem see de error of dey ways! > >Well is now Trinidadians get frighten. Even doh Manning was letting de >country fall apart an' only lining he pockets, dey was more frighten of >Jamaica. Grenada Prime Minister jump up an' say how he support Jamaica >even doh de whole country tell he to hush he mout' an' stay out of dat war. >In de meantime now, St. Lucia was buildin' secret weapons of Mango Destruction ready to aim at Jamaica. Dominica had one set of biological mango germs hide away, an' St. Vincent warn Jamaica dat if dey invade Trinidad, dey will get vex wid dem. > >So forty-eight hours pass and Jamaica an' Grenada invade Trinidad, >irregardless. Jamaica give Guyana ninety trillion dollars so dey could >lan' dey fighters jets dere. Guyana like no better joke, dey take de money an' build plenty boat and slip in Trinidad in de night. So anyway, Jamaica an' Grenada in Trinidad destroying all de cane, de rice, de banana. When de res' of de Caribbean akse Jamaica where all de Mango weapons is, Jamaica din answer. > > To protect de Trinidadian citizens, Jamaica take over all de oil wells and sen' barrels back to Jamaica to keep safe. Dey bomb every big buildin' in case Manning was hiding dere. De Trinidadians soldiers surrender right >away because dey din want to risk getting injure an' miss coming up to Toronto for Caribana. > > Jamaica never fine any Mango weapons, but dey switch de Trini flag to >Ites, Green an' Gold, make Manning wear a rasta weave, and all oil in >Trinidad had to be sent to Jamaica so dey could sell it back to Trinidad. > >Remember: Always let the sun shine in through your soul....Keep Smiling > >Shalom. >
Hi Cheryl, Thanks for writing. I do know of Robert Allicock of Montreal, and the Guyana Allicocks. Rich ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nneka X" <cheryl_nneka@hotmail.com> To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 11:13 AM Subject: Re: CARIBBEAN-D Digest V03 #103 > I know of Allicocks from Guyana. My former hairstylist in Montreal is an > Allicock. > > Cheryl Hazell > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > For information on individual islands, research aids, island bulletin boards or history please visit the CaribbeanGenWeb project at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~caribgw/ > >
Hi Nevilla, I am sure that you will recall my letter to you about my Allicock research, which you posted at Rootsweb (your letter 09/02/03). As you can see from my recent posting to the list, I am still looking for more Allicocks in the WI, and have broadened my net by pointing to the variations and by not specifying a time frame or particular Islands. I heard from very few of the people that I sent my comphrehensive summary to, but the few that I did hear from did provide some useful information, including a William Allercott will in St. Kitts. This William I am sure was one of Capt. Syer Allicock's sons. However, an email to the archivist Mrs. O'Flaherty has not met with any response. So I guess I will have to write her again. However I am happy to report that I have definitely established that Capt. Syer Allicock did come from Northamptonshire. Now I am still trying to find the link to the Demerara Allicocks. Hence this letter to you. It was sparked by your mention of Tim Anderson and the Codrington Correspondence. The time period of 1740's to 1780's also sparked my interest. In my summary I mentioned a will in Antigua of 1784, for Elizabeth Carnegie, nee Allicock, one of Syer's daughter's. This might mean that Allicocks were in Antigua until 1784. I have been unable to get a copy of this will, from the LDS micro-film or from the Antigua archives, which unlike the St. Kitts archives was kind enough to look for it. I am hoping that the Codrington Correspondence for Antigua is Indexed, and it will be possible for Tim Anderson to look for any mention of Allicocks and variations in there. Can you ask Tim for me? Thanks. Looking forward to hearing from you. Richard Allicock Toronto Canada
Dear Richard, All the correspondence you have sent have been forwarded to the Allicock family I know here my area. However, both families were involved as has mine, in our children's 2003 L'Elegance Cotillion/Beautillion that occured on Sunday, April 13. In fact, my son's escort was an Allicock, and her cousin was a beau. I trust her father, and his cousin will respond to this. They are all from Guyana. Sincerely, Nevilla E. Ottley Richard Allicock wrote: > Hi Nevilla, > > > > I am sure that you will recall my letter to you about my Allicock > research, which you posted at Rootsweb (your letter 09/02/03). As you > can see from my recent posting to the list, I am still looking for > more Allicocks in the WI, and have broadened my net by pointing to the > variations and by not specifying a time frame or particular Islands. > > > > I heard from very few of the people that I sent my comphrehensive > summary to, but the few that I did hear from did provide some useful > information, including a William Allercott will in St. Kitts. This > William I am sure was one of Capt. Syer Allicock's sons. However, an > email to the archivist Mrs. O'Flaherty has not met with any response. > So I guess I will have to write her again. > > > > However I am happy to report that I have definitely established that > Capt. Syer Allicock did come from Northamptonshire. Now I am still > trying to find the link to the Demerara Allicocks. Hence this letter > to you. It was sparked by your mention of Tim Anderson and the > Codrington Correspondence. The time period of 1740's to 1780's also > sparked my interest. > > > > In my summary I mentioned a will in Antigua of 1784, for Elizabeth > Carnegie, nee Allicock, one of Syer's daughter's. This might mean that > Allicocks were in Antigua until 1784. I have been unable to get a copy > of this will, from the LDS micro-film or from the Antigua archives, > which unlike the St. Kitts archives was kind enough to look for it. > > > > I am hoping that the Codrington Correspondence for Antigua is Indexed, > and it will be possible for Tim Anderson to look for any mention of > Allicocks and variations in there. Can you ask Tim for me? Thanks. > > > > Looking forward to hearing from you. > > > > Richard Allicock > > Toronto Canada >
Thanks, Jim. Nevilla James W Cropper wrote: >Please, please let me play Nevilla! > >I hope you haven't missed a few twigs of your family tree at the following >sites :- >http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Foothills/9637/ottelett/ottelett.htm >http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Foothills/9637/omigrat.htm > >There is a little note about Cindy's friend Valentine MORRIS in the first >site. > >Jim C. >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Nevilla E. Ottley" <clasebon@erols.com> >To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 12:19 PM >Subject: OTTLEY in ST. VINCENT > >>Does anyone besides Jim Cropper have any information on Ottley family on >>the island of St. Vincent, and their emigration to the island of Tobago >>at any time? I would appreciate leads. >> >>Thank you. >> >>Nevilla E. Ottley >> > > > >==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== >all messages posted to CARIBBEAN-L are archived at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ >Before posting a query, see if the question has already been asked > >
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Please, please let me play Nevilla! I hope you haven't missed a few twigs of your family tree at the following sites :- http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Foothills/9637/ottelett/ottelett.htm http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Foothills/9637/omigrat.htm There is a little note about Cindy's friend Valentine MORRIS in the first site. Jim C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nevilla E. Ottley" <clasebon@erols.com> To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 12:19 PM Subject: OTTLEY in ST. VINCENT > Does anyone besides Jim Cropper have any information on Ottley family on > the island of St. Vincent, and their emigration to the island of Tobago > at any time? I would appreciate leads. > > Thank you. > > Nevilla E. Ottley