Hi Kevin, Thanks for taking the time to transcribe this text. I'm a Vincy genealogist (been at it for almost 3 years now) and am very interested in the plantations and their owners. By the way, does anyone know of Saba slave records? When was slavery abolished there? My great great grandmother, Present Derrick, was said to have come to St Vincent via Saba and was known affectionately as "Ma" Pysan. Does anyone know the origins of this name or if it was a familiar one on either Saba, Bequia, or St Vincent. Could it have been a place name? She came to the West Indies from Africa when she was 7 years old, circa 1820-1840 *************************************** ORIGINAL MESSAGE Dear List, Last autumn I discovered the diary of my great, great, great grandfather, the Rev. William Fidler, in the archives of the School of Oriental and African Studies (SOAS) at the University of London. The diary, which covers the period 1825-1827, describes his voyage from Bristol to St Vincent accompanied by his wife Anna and other Methodist missionaries, and contains detailed descriptions of events and places during his first two years in the West Indies. He mentions several estates on St Vincent (Palmiste Park, Peruvian Vale, Cane Grove Estate, Spring Estate, Mount Wynne), and the owners or managers (Robert Gordon, Col. Edward Jackson, J. D. Questel). I have recently transcribed the text, and published it on the web. Anyone interested in this period of St Vincent's history might find the diary interesting. It can be viewed at the following address: http://www.kevinlaurence.net/genealogy/fidlerdiary/index.html Kevin Laurence London. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail

Dear List, Last autumn I discovered the diary of my great, great, great grandfather, the Rev. William Fidler, in the archives of the School of Oriental and African Studies (SOAS) at the University of London. The diary, which covers the period 1825-1827, describes his voyage from Bristol to St Vincent accompanied by his wife Anna and other Methodist missionaries, and contains detailed descriptions of events and places during his first two years in the West Indies. He mentions several estates on St Vincent (Palmiste Park, Peruvian Vale, Cane Grove Estate, Spring Estate, Mount Wynne), and the owners or managers (Robert Gordon, Col. Edward Jackson, J. D. Questel). I have recently transcribed the text, and published it on the web. Anyone interested in this period of St Vincent's history might find the diary interesting. It can be viewed at the following address: http://www.kevinlaurence.net/genealogy/fidlerdiary/index.html Kevin Laurence London.

Jeff, I think a more common spelling of the name would be Parageau. I gave it a try, though most returns are, bien sur, in French. Lisa J

Jeff, Also keep Parizeau or Parazeau in mind. I find the way that "z's" are made some-times look like a "g". ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sales Consultants of Middlesex County" <scmidlsx@bellatlantic.net> To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 10:52 AM Subject: Re: name question > Jeff, > > I think a more common spelling of the name would be Parageau. I gave it a > try, though most returns are, bien sur, in French. > Lisa J > > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > ROOTSWEB MAILING LIST HELP PAGES > What is a Mailing List? > http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/help/mail1.html > >

<ANDREADRAMSEY@cs.com> wrote in message news:1c3.8cb04e5.2bdfbfc3@cs.com... > Do you know if the book, Joseph Knight is available in the USA? I tried to > find it on-line without success. > Andrea It was only available in the UK mid-April. I had to get my copy sent over (I live in France). No doubt Amazon in the States will have it soon (the book's already on www.amazon.co.uk and www.amazon.fr) Peter The Wedderburn Pages : www.wedderburn.ws - including the G.H.O.S.T. glossary - Genealogy: Help with Old Scottish Terms

Thanks.. I will go to a different LDS and start all voer again.. the small one I went to had a constant change of personell and they had no idea on places like the Weest Indies.. I did manage to find seven film,, and old blurred ones at that.. but I still see the new sources coming up from you all.. so will head there again,, and try to locate all the old ones I used before.. The problem with the old LDS is that the new manager doesnt like to order but once a week so she has a pile up and of course a host of people waiting for the films to all come in at the same time.. and of course limited readers! So it an occasion of JOY when you manage to find the records you needed! Lenora ----- Original Message ----- From: "cindy kilgore" <minke@wcvt.com> To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 6:42 AM Subject: Grenada marriage records > > > Lenora, > The French were allowed to remove their documents when the Brits took > over the island in 1765 - maybe in Martinique? > The British records began then and the earliest I have found are around > 1780 - all of these records are in St. George's at the Records Office > next to the Courthouse. > Best wishes, > Cindy > > Does anyone know when the earliest Marriage Records in Grenada were > > recorded? > > Thanks, > > Lenora > > > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > all messages posted to CARIBBEAN-L are archived at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Before posting a query, see if the question has already been asked

Thanks Tim and Tina ANDERSON.. from Lenora ANDERSON....now if only you find all my relatives in Grenada records! I searched for a year or more regularly there.. but I still see records surfacing that they didnt find when I strted my search there.. Now to start all over again. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim & Una Anderson" <timuna@starpower.net> To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 5:47 AM Subject: Re: marriages in Grenada > Parish Records for St. George, Grenada are available back to : > Baptisms, marriages and burials 1806-1831 on LDS Film 1523656. > Baptisms go back to 1784 on the same film. > Tim > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenora Anderson" <ldanderson@sbcglobal.net> > To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, April 28, 2003 10:53 AM > Subject: marriages in Grenada > > > > Does anyone know when the earliest Marriage Records in Grenada > were recorded? > > Thanks, > > Lenora > > > > ______________________________ > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > all messages posted to CARIBBEAN-L are archived at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Before posting a query, see if the question has already been asked

Jeff Lombard wrote: > Now that you mention I do have those Bonnet references I wasn't sure if you had some new information. The Renault listed is a Dame Ambroise Sophie Renault married a Pierre Parigau. That is the only first name I have for Renault but it states she is from Martinique in 1814 she was listed as a grandmother. Any help is greatly appreciated! -------------------- I'm afraid I won't be of much help, Karen- the book has no info beyond 1725 or so. Hopefully, though, you'll someday trace your Renault's back that far, so I'll scan what I have and forward it to you in the next 3 or 4 days. Keep the faith: your breakthrough might be just around the corner! :) Regards, Dick

Dear Dick, Now that you mention I do have those Bonnet references I wasn't sure if you had some new information. The Renault listed is a Dame Ambroise Sophie Renault married a Pierre Parigau. That is the only first name I have for Renault but it states she is from Martinique in 1814 she was listed as a grandmother. Any help is greatly appreciated! Best wishes, Karen ----- Original Message ----- From: Dick Meyers To: CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 11:59 AM Subject: Re: name question Jeff Lombard wrote: > > Dear Dick, > > I think we may have spoken about the Noel gang before. Can I be so bold to ask if there are any Bonnet's or Renault"s listed. Thank you for your help. I have been at such a dead end on all my West Indies gang I need some break to surface! --------- Yes, Karen, we're old friends re: Noel & Bonnet. The last time we communicated was on Feb. 16 & 17 of this year, when I sent you all the Bonnet info I have fm Roget & Bruneau-Latouche's "Personnes et Familles à la Martinique au XVII siècle." I still have copies of those msgs, so let me know if you'd like them re-sent. Renault, though, is a new name for us, and the book has 18 entries. I'm a little pressed for time at the moment, but whenever I can clear a few hours (probably not until the weekend), I'll scan the info & forward it to you. If there's a particular Renault you're looking for, though, I can do a quickie lookup before I leave for work about 3 hrs fm now. Regards, Dick in Princeton, NJ ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== all messages posted to CARIBBEAN-L are archived at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ Before posting a query, see if the question has already been asked

Jeff Lombard wrote: > > Dear Dick, > > I think we may have spoken about the Noel gang before. Can I be so bold to ask if there are any Bonnet's or Renault"s listed. Thank you for your help. I have been at such a dead end on all my West Indies gang I need some break to surface! --------- Yes, Karen, we're old friends re: Noel & Bonnet. The last time we communicated was on Feb. 16 & 17 of this year, when I sent you all the Bonnet info I have fm Roget & Bruneau-Latouche's "Personnes et Familles à la Martinique au XVII siècle." I still have copies of those msgs, so let me know if you'd like them re-sent. Renault, though, is a new name for us, and the book has 18 entries. I'm a little pressed for time at the moment, but whenever I can clear a few hours (probably not until the weekend), I'll scan the info & forward it to you. If there's a particular Renault you're looking for, though, I can do a quickie lookup before I leave for work about 3 hrs fm now. Regards, Dick in Princeton, NJ

Dear Dick, I think we may have spoken about the Noel gang before. Can I be so bold to ask if there are any Bonnet's or Renault"s listed. Thank you for your help. I have been at such a dead end on all my West Indies gang I need some break to surface! Best wishes, Karen Lombard ----- Original Message ----- From: Dick Meyers To: CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 9:30 AM Subject: Re: name question Jeff Lombard wrote: > > On a few of the birth certificates I received from St Lucia a new family name had appeared Parigau from Martinique does this name mean anything to anyone or sound familiar? It is the only time I have entered a general search on the computer through Google and come up with basically no mentions of this last name except my posts. Any ideas? ------- Sorry I can't help, Karen, except to say that the name doesn't appear in any of Martinique's 17th c./very early 18th c. census records. Regards, Dick in Princeton, NJ ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== For information on individual islands, research aids, island bulletin boards or history please visit the CaribbeanGenWeb project at http://www.rootsweb.com/~caribgw/

Fellow listers, I thought some of you might be interested in reading the brief letter by Alexander Hamilton about the hurricane that passed directly over Christiansted. It is posted at http://www.photolib.noaa.gov/historic/nws/hamilton.html Happy hunting everyone, Laura in North Carolina On Tuesday, April 29, 2003, at 04:00 AM, CARIBBEAN-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > CARIBBEAN-D Digest Volume 03 : Issue 118 > > Today's Topics: > #1 James Knight, a Wedderburn slave ["PG" > <pgK9@alpesprovence.net>] > #2 marriages in Grenada ["Lenora Anderson" > <ldanderson@sbcg] > #3 Montserrat Records [AlannahB@aol.com] > #4 PHOTO TRIBUTES ["atransition" > <customersvc@atransi] > > Administrivia: > To send a message to the Caribbean Discussion List, send the email to: > Caribbean-L@rootsweb.com > > The CaribbeanGenWeb website is located at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~caribgw The CaribbeanGenWeb Project is a > free on-line resource dedicated to promoting genealogical research and > participation in the West Indies. > > > > ______________________________ > > > From: "PG" <pgK9@alpesprovence.net> > Date: Mon Apr 28, 2003 9:10:13 AM US/Eastern > To: CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: James Knight, a Wedderburn slave > > > Back, after a long absence!.... > > .... with a book recommendation. Recently published, a reviewer > comments: > "The Scottish author James Robertson was much praised for his first > novel, > The Fanatic. His second, Joseph Knight, is a book of such quality as to > persuade you that historical novels are the true business of the > writer, > that it's through the past that we might understand ourselves best, > that > it's in the past that the imagination can be most free, but also most > authentic. Based on fact, and built out of hefty chunks of alternately > tender and shocking fiction, the novel revolves around an 18th-century > incident in which a black slave brought to Scotland from Jamaica fled > his > master and was subsequently set free by the courts on the grounds that > the > slave laws of Jamaica had no place in Scotland. The slave, Joseph > Knight, > had been the property of Sir John Wedderburn, a former Jacobite, who > as a > teenager had fled the butchery of Culloden and sailed to the West > Indies > with his brothers to rebuild the family fortune......". > > And from another... > > "Exiled to Jamaica after Culloden, Sir John Wedderburn makes a fortune > as a > sugar planter. On returning to Scotland, he brings with him Joseph > Knight, > one of the first slaves in Scotland. Changes in the intellectual, > social and > political climate in Scotland lead master and slave to engage in a > court > battle: one man trying to retain his property, the other to gain his > freedom. Ranging from the back streets of Dundee to a mining community > in > Fife and the heart of Enlightenment Edinburgh, this beautifully > constructed > and paced novel illuminates an almost forgotten episode in Scottish > history......" > > Sir John Wedderburn, first son of the executed Sir John, (lifeguard of > Bonny > Prince Charlie at Culloden), was considered one of the more 'lenient' > members of the Jamaican plantocracy. His younger brother Dr. James was > not > so well disposed to his slaves, as his illegitimate son Robert > Wedderburn > describes in his autobiographical account "The Horrors of Slavery". > Two > excellent reads... > > "James Knight" £10.99, by James Robertson is published by Fourth Estate > (Harper Collins) ISBN: 0-00-715024-5 > http://www.fireandwater.com/Books/default.asp?id=25996 > > "The Horrors of Slavery" by Robert Wedderburn, Markus Wiener > Publishers. > ISBN 1-55876-050-4 and ISBN 1-55876-051-2. (£10 from Amazon) > > Iain McCalman, Australian National University, the author of Radical > Underworld Prophets, Revolutionaries and Pornographers in London, > 1795-1840, > edited and introduces the texts. > > (Robert Wedderburn) "This colourful, disreputable character is > important to > the African-American tradition. He became a leading proponent not only > of > abolition, but of what would be termed today a black theology of > liberation, > and a major figure in England's republican underground of the Georgian > and > Regency periods. He was at once a witness and victim of West Indian > slavery. > His autobiography is a vivid indictment of an execrable system; its > accounts > burn themselves into the reader's mind like the sting of the slaver's > whip." > -Publishers Weekly > > Peter > The Wedderburn Pages : www.wedderburn.ws - including the G.H.O.S.T. > glossary > : Genealogy: Help with Old Scottish Terms > > ______________________________ > > > From: "Lenora Anderson" <ldanderson@sbcglobal.net> > Date: Mon Apr 28, 2003 10:53:56 AM US/Eastern > To: CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: marriages in Grenada > > > Does anyone know when the earliest Marriage Records in Grenada were > recorded? > Thanks, > Lenora > > ______________________________ > > > From: AlannahB@aol.com > Date: Mon Apr 28, 2003 1:28:02 PM US/Eastern > To: CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Montserrat Records > > > Dear Listers, > Recent information from the Montserrat National Trust, regarding > Montserrat > records, reveals that the only records that have been destroyed are > the ones > that were lost in > the Courthouse fire in 1972. Quite a numbers of records were > destroyed such > as birth records, marriage licenses and death records. No records to > their > knowledge were lost in the Volcano. The Courthouse and the Public > Library > managed to retrieve all of their records and documents before any real > damage was done and so did the Trust. > I have not as yet heard from the Courthouse or the Public Library but > will > let the List know when I do. > Alannah > > ______________________________ > > > From: "atransition" <customersvc@atransition.com> > Date: Mon Apr 28, 2003 9:31:46 PM US/Eastern > To: CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: PHOTO TRIBUTES > > > http://atransition.com/Gaynor/Tribute.htm > >

As a new (4 years) genealogist, a lot of that is generally done just in my research. I have created one on my son who is graduating this May from high school, and am creating several with power point of the various lines of the family. It is interesting, and easy to show in family reunions. Nevilla atransition wrote: >http://atransition.com/Gaynor/Tribute.htm > > > >==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== >all messages posted to CARIBBEAN-L are archived at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ >Before posting a query, see if the question has already been asked > >

> Lenora, The French were allowed to remove their documents when the Brits took over the island in 1765 - maybe in Martinique? The British records began then and the earliest I have found are around 1780 - all of these records are in St. George's at the Records Office next to the Courthouse. Best wishes, Cindy > Does anyone know when the earliest Marriage Records in Grenada were > recorded? > Thanks, > Lenora >

Jeff Lombard wrote: > > On a few of the birth certificates I received from St Lucia a new family name had appeared Parigau from Martinique does this name mean anything to anyone or sound familiar? It is the only time I have entered a general search on the computer through Google and come up with basically no mentions of this last name except my posts. Any ideas? ------- Sorry I can't help, Karen, except to say that the name doesn't appear in any of Martinique's 17th c./very early 18th c. census records. Regards, Dick in Princeton, NJ

On a few of the birth certificates I received from St Lucia a new family name had appeared Parigau from Martinique does this name mean anything to anyone or sound familiar? It is the only time I have entered a general search on the computer through Google and come up with basically no mentions of this last name except my posts. Any ideas? Thank you, Karen Lombard Jenninfs, Bonnet, de Bernard, Parigau, Noel

Parish Records for St. George, Grenada are available back to : Baptisms, marriages and burials 1806-1831 on LDS Film 1523656. Baptisms go back to 1784 on the same film. Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenora Anderson" <ldanderson@sbcglobal.net> To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 28, 2003 10:53 AM Subject: marriages in Grenada > Does anyone know when the earliest Marriage Records in Grenada were recorded? > Thanks, > Lenora > > ______________________________

Do you know if the book, Joseph Knight is available in the USA? I tried to find it on-line without success. Andrea In a message dated 4/29/2003 4:01:38 AM Eastern Standard Time, CARIBBEAN-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > Back, after a long absence!.... > > .... with a book recommendation. Recently published, a reviewer comments: > "The Scottish author James Robertson was much praised for his first novel= > , > The Fanatic. His second, Joseph Knight, is a book of such quality as to > persuade you that historical novels are the true business of the writer, > that it's through the past that we might understand ourselves best, that > it's in the past that the imagination can be most free, but also most > authentic. Based on fact, and built out of hefty chunks of alternately > tender and shocking fiction, the novel revolves around an 18th-century > incident in which a black slave brought to Scotland from Jamaica fled his > master and was subsequently set free by the courts on the grounds that th= > e > slave laws of Jamaica had no place in Scotland. The slave, Joseph Knight, > had been the property of Sir John Wedderburn, a former Jacobite, who as a > teenager had fled the butchery of Culloden and sailed to the West Indies > with his brothers to rebuild the family fortune......". >

Good morning, I just found the message from Joyce which lists the MIs for the Stewarts. This is really a surprise. Thank you vey much. I have been tracing John Lyell for over ten years and this is really a break through. Again, thank you. Regards, John -- -- John Middleton, Leawood, Kansas, TVFHS #4418 Middleton, SCT>Liverpool, Eng>Chicago, IL, 1700-1920; Neely, IRL>PA, 1759-1900; Chid(d)ester, WV>OH, 1800-1900; Som(m)erville, Grasmere, Eng, 1700-1850 Web Page: http://www.planetkc.com/jmcpa

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