This might be of interest to others. ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Allicock To: Ivan@Torrington39.freeserve.co.uk Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 6:10 PM Subject: Re: Torrington-Guyana Hi Ivan, My friends data-base comes right into the 1900's. I have two lists for 1759 and 1798, which I checked previously. There are later lists, but not one that I have seen with the owners, just plantation listings in history books. The reason for this is two-fold, after the end of slavery very many of the plantations went into receivership, that is, owned by Mortgagers/ Creditiors, namely banks and insurance companies. The ones that had managed to survive met a similar fate by 1849 with massive bankruptcies. Later on in the 19th Century the remaining plantations became concentrated in the hands of mainly two companies, Bookers (later Booker-McConnell) and Jessels Securities, and remained so until they were nationalised in 1975. Of course many people make the mistake of thinking that if an ancestor was mentioned in connection with a Plantation, that they owned it. The truth is that many Europeans found jobs on the Plantations, later called estates, in various skilled and supervisiory/management capacities. Chances are that the later they arrived the more likely it is that they did not own, but worked for the company owning the plantations/estates. Also many Brits, came to work for the colonial government Civil Service, in Public Works, Administration, Transportation, Tram, Rail and Boats, the legal system etc. and this is a likely source of employment for people coming later in the history of the colony. But then there were also those who came as merchants, or owned farms, went to look for gold and diamonds, worked in skilled and supervisory jobs in the Bauxite companies, liquor, beer, ice and soft drink manufacture, local foundries etc. But to get an idea of whether there were any Torrington's one has to look in the British Guiana Directories, which are not on-line, but I know my friend has consulted those too. So that might leave the Employment records of the companies that ended up owning the plantations, as well as the Civil List (of Government employees) and Royal Gazettes in which appointments and promotions were gazetted. Business news were found in other Gazettes and Advertisers/Newspapers. None of those are on line, some are in the UK at the PRO, most will be in Guyana. You might find British Guiana Directories in the British Library. I think that there are a few B.G Directories in my city library and I might sneak a peek if I have the time some-time. I hope this helps. Rich ----- Original Message ----- From: Ivan@Torrington39.freeserve.co.uk To: Richard Allicock Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 12:19 PM Subject: Torrington-Guyana Hi Richard, Thanks last e-m- I will try the directions you suggest shortly re.Godwin.and various churches.. I don't like to burden you further with questions but To go back to a previous discussion regards the Black Torrington of Guyana ; you said that the friend of yours who has a list for Guyana with 6000 names , could not find any Torrington's thereon. The question is --what dates are encompassed on her list ? It might be that the family in question went to Guyana fairly late for all I know e.g. late 19th cent ? I have the idea that they had connections with Barbados , so I wouldn't be surprized if this is in fact the case that they came from somewhere other than Guyana. Another question on this topic whilst I'm dealing with it --Do you know if there is a ' list ' of plantation owners I could look into , or the best place to look/enquire ? Thanks Rich. ---Ivan---

I noted a posting some time ago on this website written by Sue Volker <lvolker@bigfoot.com> referring to an Owen (?) Proverbs who married an American and at one time lived at Top Flat Albany, Two Mile Hill, St. James, Barbados. Sue Volker's e-mail address is no longer valid therefore I am asking if anyone can help me contact her in order to continue my search of the PROVERBS (Barbados) line. Many thanks, in advance, for your help. Bob Rhodes

Hello from a new lister.. My maternal family name is Gorst (or Gorse in earlier times), from the Lancashire and Cheshire areas of England. During the period around the 17th/18th Century there was apparently a lot of shipping between Liverpool (County of Lancashire) and the W. Indies with slave trading etc. As the name Gorse appears on a 20th century map I have of St Vincent, (on the windward or eastern side) I am keen to find out if there was any association with the island or area by my ancestors. There was apparently a reference in "An Historical Account of the Island of St. Vincent" pub. 1831, to a Charles Gorst with an estate "Layou" which was on the leeward (west) coast of St. Vincent but "Gorse" is on the opposite side of the island. Can anyone advise me of the origin of the area referred to as Gorse, what is the area concerned, is it a town, locality etc.? Is anyone researching or interested in the name Gorse/Gorst. Does "Layou" still exist in some form? Any help will be appreciated. John Williams (Australia) williams@ix.net.au

----- Original Message ----- From: "Nevilla E. Ottley" <clasebon@erols.com> To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 9:24 PM Subject: Re: WARNING!! > Thanks, Heather. My Norton Antivirus stopped Mr. Fabio Covaleski for me > this morning. > > Nevilla E. Ottley > > Heather Figueroa wrote: > > >I received the Microsoft Patch Virus at 8 pm EST and it had at least 30 > >members of this List included, if not more. > > > >I reported it thru Spamcop, but it was from Brazil and probably not the > >person who sent it. > > > >The name was *Fabio Covaleski* as the sender........remember that > >Microsoft never, ever sends out patches by email!! > > > >Auntie Virus > > > > > >==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > >all messages posted to CARIBBEAN-L are archived at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > >Before posting a query, see if the question has already been asked > > > > > > > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > For information on individual islands, research aids, island bulletin boards or history please visit the CaribbeanGenWeb project at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~caribgw/ > >

Good morning, Cheryl- At long last :) -- I'll repeat some of the info Debbie has already provided so that you can have everything in one place. =================== Series: T624 Roll: 899 P. 70 Lines 70-72 April 19, 1910 NJ, Middlesex Co., Perth Amboy, Ward 2, ED 28, 358 Mechanic St. Ollivierre, Claud: Head of household, Male, Black, Age 31, Married (3y), Born W. Indies (Eng.), Parents born W. Indies (Eng.), Emigrated 1903, Naturalized, Speaks English, Seaman on merchant vessel, Working on April 15 1910, Out of work 0 weeks in 1909, Can read & write, Rents home ------- Frances: Wife, Female, Black, Age 26, Married (3y), Children Born/Living: 1/1, Born W. Indies (Eng.), Parents born W. Indies (Eng.), Emigrated 1902, Speaks English, No occupation, Can read & write ------- James, Son, Male, Black, Age 1y 9m, Born NJ, Parents born W. Indies =================== Series: T624 Roll: 899 P. 137 Lines 55-56 April 25, 1910 NJ, Middlesex Co., Perth Amboy, Ward 4, ED 31, 311 Smith St. Ollivierre, Newton: Head of household, Male, Mulatto, Age 33, Married, Born St. Vincent, Parents born St.Vincent, Emigrated 1904, Naturalized, Speaks English, Sailor at sea, working on April 15 1910, Out of work 0 weeks in 1909, Can read & write, Rents home ------- Jane: Wife, Female, Mulatto, Age 29, Married (6y), Children Born/Living: 0/0, Born St. Vincent, Parents born St.Vincent, Emigrated 1904, Speaks English, Dressmaker working on own account, Can read & write ================== Regards, Dick in Princeton, NJ

Thank you, Dick and Debbie for responding so quickly! I'm looking forward to receiving the data. Regards, Cheryl _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

Many thanks to Ernest, Edward and Terry. I will try your suggestions. Alan --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.476 / Virus Database: 273 - Release Date: 24/04/2003

Hi Cheryl- Now that Debbie's done the hard part, I'll be happy to transcribe the census data for you when I get home from work late this evening. A quick look tells me that Claud is living w/ wife Frances and son James. Bye for now; I'm off to work. Regards, Dick in Princeton, NJ -------------------------- > > Hi again, > Here is the information if you need to look it up yourself: > > OLLIVIERRE, CLAUD (1910 U.S. Census) > New Jersey , MIDDLESEX, 2-WD PERTH AMBOY, Age 31, Male, Race: Black, > Born: WIND > Series: T624 Roll: 899 Page: 70 > > OLLIVIERRE, NEWTON (1910 U.S. Census) > New Jersey , MIDDLESEX, 4-WD PERTH AMBOY, Age 33, Male, Race: Mulatto, > Born: SVIN > Series: T624 Roll: 899 Page: 137 > > Regards, > Debbie > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > all messages posted to CARIBBEAN-L are archived at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Before posting a query, see if the question has already been asked

Hi again, Here is the information if you need to look it up yourself: OLLIVIERRE, CLAUD (1910 U.S. Census) New Jersey , MIDDLESEX, 2-WD PERTH AMBOY, Age 31, Male, Race: Black, Born: WIND Series: T624 Roll: 899 Page: 70 OLLIVIERRE, NEWTON (1910 U.S. Census) New Jersey , MIDDLESEX, 4-WD PERTH AMBOY, Age 33, Male, Race: Mulatto, Born: SVIN Series: T624 Roll: 899 Page: 137 Regards, Debbie

Hi Cheryl, listed below is the info for Claud and Newton from the HeritageQuest. OLLIVIERRE CLAUD 31 M B WIND NJ MIDDLESEX 2-WD PERTH AMBOY 1910 OLLIVIERRE NEWTON 33 M M SVIN NJ MIDDLESEX 4-WD PERTH AMBOY 1910 Contact me off list and I can email you the two files as .pdf files. Hope this is what you need... Best regards, Debbie

Good day, My name is Natalia Quarless and I live in Panama Republic of Panama, Im trying to do my Family tree, but we dont have much information. The only infomation I got is that my ancester (Quarless) came from Barbados and Jamaica in the early 1900 during the Panama Canal construction. I need to know how can I get in contact we the office that his in charge of emigrant from Jamaica and Barbados. It will be really heplfull because I have a friend in Jamaica that can help me, but he need to know who to contac. Thanks for you attention. Natalia....!

Try the LDS microfilms. There is a full set of Jamaica at the LDS cenrter in Knightsbridge (Exhibition Rd). About 30 parishes or so to search. I still remember the buzz I got when up came my g-g grandfather Edward P Wallen born in 1770. Edward Crawford ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Williams" <alan.williams23@ntlworld.com> To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 9:58 PM Subject: Williams in Jamaica > Hi > I have recently found on the 1851 UK census that my grgrgrgrandfather James Williams was born in Kingston jamaica around 1790. > Is there any way I can find a record of this....totally alien to me now outside the UK. > Thanks for your time. > Alan Williams > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.476 / Virus Database: 273 - Release Date: 24/04/2003 > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > all messages posted to CARIBBEAN-L are archived at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Before posting a query, see if the question has already been asked > > > ______________________________________________________________ > This message has been scanned by the Datanet VirusScreen Service, > powered by BT Ignite and Messagelabs. For more information please > visit http://www.VirusScreen.co.uk. > ______________________________________________________________ This message has been scanned by the Datanet VirusScreen Service, powered by BT Ignite and Messagelabs. For more information please visit http://www.VirusScreen.co.uk.

Thanks Heather. My provider (whom I pay for the service) intercepted a virus from one Fabio in Brazil this morning. Edward Crawford ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heather Figueroa" <heatherfig@rogers.com> To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 3:12 AM Subject: WARNING!! > I received the Microsoft Patch Virus at 8 pm EST and it had at least 30 > members of this List included, if not more. > > I reported it thru Spamcop, but it was from Brazil and probably not the > person who sent it. > > The name was *Fabio Covaleski* as the sender........remember that > Microsoft never, ever sends out patches by email!! > > Auntie Virus > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > all messages posted to CARIBBEAN-L are archived at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Before posting a query, see if the question has already been asked > > > ______________________________________________________________ > This message has been scanned by the Datanet VirusScreen Service, > powered by BT Ignite and Messagelabs. For more information please > visit http://www.VirusScreen.co.uk. > ______________________________________________________________ This message has been scanned by the Datanet VirusScreen Service, powered by BT Ignite and Messagelabs. For more information please visit http://www.VirusScreen.co.uk.

Thanks, Heather. My Norton Antivirus stopped Mr. Fabio Covaleski for me this morning. Nevilla E. Ottley Heather Figueroa wrote: >I received the Microsoft Patch Virus at 8 pm EST and it had at least 30 >members of this List included, if not more. > >I reported it thru Spamcop, but it was from Brazil and probably not the >person who sent it. > >The name was *Fabio Covaleski* as the sender........remember that >Microsoft never, ever sends out patches by email!! > >Auntie Virus > > >==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== >all messages posted to CARIBBEAN-L are archived at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ >Before posting a query, see if the question has already been asked > >

Hi everyone, I'm putting out a plea to the list. I would really like to get some info off of the 1910 U.S. census for Middlesex County, New Jersey. I don't know which borough, but there are only 5 listed. I don't have a subscription to the census and am at my wit's end because I know that just beyond lies the answers to many of the questions which remain blanks on my Hazell and Ollivierre family tree. I confess I don't have a credit card with which to subscribe to Ancestry.com for the census. They don't even take cheques or money orders!!!!! It's so frustrating....... So my plea is: Is there anyone on our list who has the heart and the time to please look up the names Newton Ollivierre and Jane (Kydd) Ollivierre? They also had a son named Griffith who may or may not be listed along with them since I don't know his birthdate. Could there also be a way to share the census? I know that people pay money to get access to it. But could there be a way to have less financially fortunate list members access this info? Maybe a password protected area of the internet? Even as I write this, it sounds illegal to me, but is it really or is it public domain? I would really appreciate the help. Thanks, Cheryl Hazell *Still searching for evidence of my great great grandfather Henry George Hazell in Philadelphia circa 1920 or his grandsons Cyril Lester and Sydney Adams circa 1930-1940 in Philadelphia also.* _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail

Hi Cheryl, Middlesex Co., NJ was my home for many years and is the focal point of my research. I know it well, and while I'd love to help (I'd done some Hazell lookups for you previously), the task is daunting. In 1910, Middlesex County included not five, but between 20-25 towns/boroughs totaling more than 114,000 people- roughly 2,300 pages of census data. To simplify the task, you might query the RootsWeb Middlesex Co. board to see if anyone has the only 1910 NJ Census index I'm aware of- HeritageQuest CD #5057- or you may be able to get that index through an interlibrary loan: if you can narrow down the search, I'll dig the info out for you. If you've no luck finding anyone w/ the index, there are other possibilities: if you live in the U.S., I might be able to direct you a research facility in your area that has or has access to the census, and of course, you can rent the census films fm any FHL. Regards, Dick in Princeton NJ =========================================== > Hi everyone, > > I'm putting out a plea to the list. I would really like to get some info off > of the 1910 U.S. census for Middlesex County, New Jersey. I don't know which > borough, but there are only 5 listed. I don't have a subscription to the > census and am at my wit's end because I know that just beyond lies the > answers to many of the questions which remain blanks on my Hazell and > Ollivierre family tree. I confess I don't have a credit card with which to > subscribe to Ancestry.com for the census. They don't even take cheques or > money orders!!!!! It's so frustrating....... > > So my plea is: Is there anyone on our list who has the heart and the time to > please look up the names Newton Ollivierre and Jane (Kydd) Ollivierre? They > also had a son named Griffith who may or may not be listed along with them > since I don't know his birthdate. > > Could there also be a way to share the census? I know that people pay money > to get access to it. But could there be a way to have less financially > fortunate list members access this info? Maybe a password protected area of > the internet? Even as I write this, it sounds illegal to me, but is it > really or is it public domain?

1. The website for the genealogical research and data of the Church of the Latter Day Saints is at www.familysearch.org. 2. This is a massive site with a great number of resources and different ways to approach them. A good way to start for Caribbean research is to use the LIBRARY tab, then click on Family History Library Catalog, then do a place search for Carriacou, for example. You will get an immediate listing of the microfilms that are available for that island. Then always click the FILM NOTES and print them out. Visit your local Family History Center (go back to LIBRARY/Family History Center to get a list of FHCs close to you). Go and order your films, when they notify you that films have arrived take your film notes. 3. Always use the correct microfilm reader for the magnification of your microfilm. 4. If you use the SEARCH tab, you can get directly into databases including US and British census for the 1880s and the US Social Security Death Index. The IGI is there as well. When information is shared by a member of the Church of the Latter Day Saints, the following note appears in the record: Record submitted by a member of the LDS Church. The record often shows the name of the individual and his or her relationship to a descendant, shown as the heir, family representative, or relative. The original records are not indexed, and you may have to look at the film frame-by-frame to find the information you want. A family group record for this couple may be in the Family Group Record Collection; Archive Section. (See the Family History Library Catalog for the film number.) These records are alphabetical by name of the father or husband. 5. It is possible to search the IGI using batch numbers. Check this site out for a thorough discussion of batch numbers and a listing of batch numbers for the British Isles and North America -- http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers.htm 6. With some practice, it is possible to get a great deal of information from both the web site and from the resources at your local Family History Center -- these will be located in an LDS church (don't worry they are very friendly people). Oh, one other thing the rental of a microfilm is $3.25 for 30days -- cheaper than videos from Blockbusters.

I received the Microsoft Patch Virus at 8 pm EST and it had at least 30 members of this List included, if not more. I reported it thru Spamcop, but it was from Brazil and probably not the person who sent it. The name was *Fabio Covaleski* as the sender........remember that Microsoft never, ever sends out patches by email!! Auntie Virus

Hi I have recently found on the 1851 UK census that my grgrgrgrandfather James Williams was born in Kingston jamaica around 1790. Is there any way I can find a record of this....totally alien to me now outside the UK. Thanks for your time. Alan Williams --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.476 / Virus Database: 273 - Release Date: 24/04/2003

Hi Anne and everyone I agree mostly with what Anne was saying about the IGI, but there are some exceptions. I often go onto the IGI to see what is there as a guide. A month or so ago I found heaps on a family I was chasing, and on the page it stated that the information was extracted from church registers (or something similar). I printed everything off. At the moment I am reading the films for the churches named in these IGI pages, and everything is correct. The church registers often have more information though, eg. date of birth, not just date of baptism. I have also seen other information where it says it is extracted from other areas. Just be careful everyone, only use the IGI as a guide, but if you hit the jackpot with extracted records, you can then order in the films and often find even more. Sue Hogan Duri, NSW, Australia I use CDs from Archive CD Books to help with my research http://www.archivecdbooks.org Researching BAKER, CLAREY, LANE, SMITH, JOHNSON, PAY, RAMAGE, BELL, McNAIR, ANDERSON, REID, KILPATRICK, GRAY, MILLINGTON, BROWNLOW, SEARS, WEST, THOMAS, WIGGINS, FOWLER, THORNE, TATEM, LESTER, PETERS, CARLE, PALMER, LANGDON, GERRISH, BRENTON, CRANSTON, HOBBES, LOWELL, WALDRON, REDE, CROCKER, RAVEN PAGE, PITCHFORD, MIDDLETON, LANDER, CROWLEY, THOMSON, HARVEY, HOGAN, COOK, MAXWELL, PARKER/PACKER, FURNESS, OMERY/HONNERY/HORNERY, REYNOLDS, MORRIS, PATTON, CARMICHAEL, PIERCE/PEARCE, NELSON, PHILP, NICHOLS, GRANTHAM, DALBY, SHARP, PUGH, BLANCH, BALCOMBE, ASHDOWN, WEBB, CROP, HIPWELL, SINGLETON, PARKINSON, THORPE, FURNESS, DAYWORTHY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann Whiting" <aqw8326@hotmail.com> To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:47 AM Subject: Re: name question & Tips for making LDS Microfilm viewing easier > > All, > The most important tip to searching the LDS library, is NOT TO USE THE IGI. > Sorry about the caps, but this is so important. > The IGI is compiled by members of ther Morman church of their family tree, > and submitted the the church for religious purposes, and can be very > subjective. In the old addage of 'you can't get something for nothing', > some people think they can find their family tree done by someone else using > the IGI. The problem with that, is sometimes, 'undesirables' are left out, > for many reasons, and incorrect information are submitted to the church. > > The LDS/FHL are very usefull for looking at and being able to source the the > documents. > A search done of the holdings of their archives, for Civil records, marriage > and birth records, church and census records, is a more accurate way to get > the information. The drawback is, you have to view the microfilm for your > self, and though it can be dificult at times due to the quality of the film, > I always remind myself that, 1. These documents could have been destroyed by > a hurricane, earthquake or fire, 2. I don't have to take a trip to the > island each time I need to do reasearch, and 3. I am looking at history as > it was written. > > The bottom line is, if you find an ancestor in the IGI, that means one of > two things, that ancestor was a Mormon, or someone has included their name > in a tree, just ask the Pope. > Ann > "Sharing the information." > > _________________________________________________________________ > Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > For information on individual islands, research aids, island bulletin boards or history please visit the CaribbeanGenWeb project at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~caribgw/ > >