Connie I have also sent this to you as I know you are interested in the West Indies. Richard, You asked, "Can you give more details and sources?" *-*-*-*-* My answer - William Penn was given the land in the New world because he and his Quaker buddies were a thorn in the side of the King. Penn had been imprisoned but apparently his father had some connections and figured away to free his son and get him out of everybody's hair by giving him land. William or some one close to him suggested that he develop the land. A man named Holmes laid out Philadelphia in blocks between 2 rivers. The people from Europe, in the area that we now call Holland and Germany, were also undergoing Religious persecution. Penn's emissary laid out a plan of Religious freedom to them and "invited" the tradesman to come to America. In 1683 first of that group arrived, William Streyper, a weaver, was among the "Original 13" heads of households. The cleric Daniel Pastorius arrived soon after. It is said that when he met William Penn he was so impressed that he became a Quaker. Many of the Original 13 settlers, from "the Palatines" as they are sometimes called, also became Quakers. In 1688 Daniel Pastorius drafted the first protest against slavery in America. You asked, "Were these brothers both born in America?" *-*-*-*-* My answer - Yes, they were probably born in Merion, Montgomery County, Pennsylvania. My source for this is the estate records of their Father, Lt. Abraham Streaper; he was the great grandson of William Streyper, the 1683 immigrant. You asked, "Do you know if they were practising Quakers or nominal ones?" *-*-*-*-* My answer -- I beleive they were nominal ones. They lived next to the Merion Meeting house and probably attended some meetings and their life style seemed to uphold many of the Quaker beliefs. The record of the Free black man is part of the census records for their houshold. As near as I can figured both of Isaac's parents, Abraham Streaper and his wife Hannah Roberts, were raised Quaker. (Hannah is the daughter of Phineas ROBERTS and Anne WYNN.) Abraham's father died and when his mother remarried she was "Written Out" of the Monthly Meetings. The excerpt from the Abington Monthly Meeting, that I read, started "Mary Streeper Guilty of Fornication". It was so brutal, I think it shocked the young Abraham. He and his bride Hannah Roberts were not married as true Quakers should be. Hannah petitions and is given a letter to take to her new Meeting. I did not find any evidence that she continued to be part of the monthly meetings although she may have attended the weekly meetings in Merion. Isaac has another brother William who eventually is recorded as being a Quaker, in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania. Some additional information -- Isaac also had neighbor and probably distant relatives in the "West Indies" Isaac's next door neighboor Joseph Price wrote a diary. (Joseph Price (1752-1828), was the fourth generation of that Quaker family to live in Lower Merion.) This diary told of Isaac going to West India, "... August 26, 1796 Isaac there Just agooing to Set of[f] to the West India" also the return of , "...Esqr Curwen & Son George their He Just returnd from West Indias " also the loss of a ship in June 3, 1798 ...Rees Price his Son Edward their been at Sea or West Indien Islands this two years, Came to New York had the Command of fine 3 Mast brig Harmony Loaded with Navel Store, & founderd in about 24 hours after he went out, She up Set in Whirl Wind, 9 or 10 hands Drowned, the Rest about 10 Savd by hanging on the Rock, the Sea Roaring overing [over] them, was taken up by a vessel after 15 or 16 hours, Lost Cargo Ship & his all " You can read Joseph Price Diary on-line at http://www.lowermerionhistory.org/texts/price/ Here is a link for Pastorius and Germantown http://www.ushistory.org/germantown/people/pastorius.htm Here is a link which deals with the "Original 13" http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/%7Eoriginal13/index.htm The library at Swarthmore College has many records for the Philadelphia Quakers. http://www.swarthmore.edu/Library/ Happy Hunting, Joan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Allicock" <richwyn@idirect.com> To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 4:27 AM Subject: Re: Isaac Streaper > Hi Joan, > > The connections between Phildelphia and the West Indies is also an area of > interest that I have in my family research. Can you give more details and > sources? Were these brothers both born in America? Do you know if they were > practising Quakers or nominal ones? > > Richard > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joan Higgins" <jmhiggins@comcast.net> > To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 1:28 PM > Subject: Isaac Streaper > > > > Hello, > > I am deep into the Streeper family research. > > > > My research tells me that an Isaac Streaper went to the West Indies in > 1796. > > He would have been about 19 years old. He may have had some money to buy > > property. His family was of Quaker heritage and of German/Dutch/Palatine > > descent. > > > > Later, his brother, Richard, is a confectioner, not a baker, at the port > of > > Philadelphia. It sounds like he handled sugar. > > > > How could I learn more about Isaac? > > > > Streeper can be spelled many ways. This branch of the family spelled it > > Streaper most often. > > > > Thanks so much for any help or advice that anyone can give. > > > > Sincerely yours, > > Joan Higgins > > > > > > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > > ROOTSWEB MAILING LIST HELP PAGES > > What is a Mailing List? > > http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/help/mail1.html > > > > > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > For information on individual islands, research aids, island bulletin boards or history please visit the CaribbeanGenWeb project at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~caribgw/ >

Another great topic that would make a fine article for CaribbeanGenWeb. Any volunteers? To add to the discussion, a great book on the history of medicine in Trinidad is Surgery in Trinidad by the prolific Fr. Anthony de Verteuil. The full citation from the US Library of Congress is: Surgery in Trinidad / Anthony de Verteuil. Port of Spain, Trinidad : A. de Verteuil, 1996. I'll start another thread for the Scots. Dean ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Allicock" <richwyn@idirect.com> To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 4:22 AM Subject: Doctors of Physic and Surgery in the British West Indies <SNIP> > > Your "plethora" of Practitioners in Physic and Surgery probably had some of > these. Surgery in those days frequently did not go beyond amputations, or > lancing boils, which even barbers or ships carpenters could and did do. > Doctors of Physic was usually one who dispensed medicines, and may have dome > some blood letting or leeching. Any apothecary or apothecary's assistant > could have set himself up as Doctor with or without fake papers. So I > suspect that there may have been some of these in the mix as well. > <SNIP> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Garcia-Sibley" <wintergully@direct.ca> > To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 5:38 PM > Subject: Re PRO wills for doctors > <SNIP> > > > > Second, I noticed an extraordinary number of "Practitioners in Physic > (sic) > > and Surgery". I would welcome any thoughts from Listers on the following: > > Would these have been doctors mostly from the UK working in the Island? > > Does anyone know the most likely cities/country where West Indians would > > have gone for medical training between 1800 and 1850? I wonder if the > > training then would have taken place as it does now, first at a university > > and then at a hospital. > > > > I ask because my g-g-g-grandfather, who was born in Jamaica and who also > > died there, practised medicine in Kingston. His son is also described as > a > > medical doctor, yet we can find absolutely no record of where they > trained. > > > > Thanks, > > Joan Garcia > > --

FAQ for the Caribbean-L Mailing List and soc.genealogy.west-indies Summary This document contains responses to frequently asked questions related to genealogy in the Caribbean. Anyone wishing to post to the soc.genealogy.west-indies newsgroup or the associated mailing list, Caribbean-L, should read this document. This information will be posted to the newsgroup / list on a periodic basis. The FAQ is also available on the World Wide Web at http://www.rootsweb.com/~caribgw/mailinglistfaq.htm Suggestions are welcome and should be sent to Dean de Freitas at deandef@bellsouth.net. Chris Codrington and Margaret Olson contributed to the content of this document. For general questions about Rootsweb Mailing Lists, check out the following FAQ's: Mailing Lists - What are they? (http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/help/mail1.html) Subscribing / Unsubscribing (http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/help/mail2.htm) Subscriber Questions (http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/help/mail3.html) Problem Solving (http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/help/email.html) For more information on USENET, try these links: Usenet FAQ (http://www.ou.edu/research/electron/internet/use-faq.htm) FAQ's by Newsgroup (http://www.faqs.org/faqs/) Copyright 2002 by the CaribbeanGenWeb Project. All rights reserved. This document may be freely distributed provided that the copyright notice is included. This document may NOT be included in any commercial publication without the express written consent of the CaribbeanGenWeb Project Coordinator. ++++++++++++++++++++++++ Frequently Asked Questions 1. What are the Caribbean-L Mailing List and the soc.genealogy.west-indies newsgroup? What is the the relationship between them? 2. How can I subscribe to the Caribbean-L List? 3. 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The soc.genealogy.west-indies newsgroup was created in 1996 as part of the soc.genealogy.* heirarchy on USENET. A history of the soc.genealogy newsgroups can be found at http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~socgen/index.htm. The rationale behind its creation, and a copy of the newsgroup charter is located at http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~socgen/Westind.htm. The Caribbean-L mailing list was created at Rootsweb as a part of the CaribGenWeb Project. CaribGenWeb is one of many regions in the WorldGenWeb family and is an umbrella for sites dedicated to each of the countries in the region. The CaribGenWeb site is located at http://www.rootsweb.com/~caribgw/. In 1999 a vote was taken among the subscribers of the mailing list to determine if the list should be "gatewayed" with the soc.genealogy.west-indies newsgroup to facilitate the flow of information and increase participation. The original post announcing the vote is at http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/ifetch2?/u1/textindices/C/CARIBBEAN+19 98+20933358019+F, and the notification that the gateway had been implemented is here: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/ifetch2?/u1/textindices/C/CARIBBEAN+19 99+21643360234+F. For more on the gatewayed lists at Rootsweb, visit http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~socgen/Abtmail.htm. ++++++++++++++++++++++++ 2. How can I subscribe to the Caribbean-L List? Instructions for subscribing are located at http://www.rootsweb.com/~caribgw/mailinglist.html ++++++++++++++++++++++++ 3. What are considered acceptable topics for discussion on this mail list /newsgroup? This group is for genealogical research related to the islands of the Caribbean. Posts about these topics must be relevant to Caribbean genealogy in some way. Acceptable topics include: * Surname and family queries * Historical information about the islands and their inhabitants * Methods of research * Sources of information * Culture Inappropriate topics or posts are: * Posts that sell or advertise a product are not appropriate. Information about the availabilty and price of a product or service related to the topics above are acceptable. * Personal attacks on individuals or groups or posts that are inflammatory in nature will not be tolerated. Violations of these policies may result in a report to the guilty party's Internet Service Provider (ISP). ++++++++++++++++++++++++ 4. I am a new user. What should I do to get started? The first thing that you should realize is that, for many reasons, genealogical research in the Caribbean is incredibly difficult when compared to resaerch in larger countries such as the U.S, Canada, or the U.K. Archives are typically understaffed, underfunded, and disorganized. Stories abound about invaluable historical documents piled in corners in old, non-climate controlled storage rooms. Vital records are also difficult to obtain, with Registrar's offices rarely responding to overseas requests for documents. Professional researchers in the islands are also few and far between. The good news is that many records have been archived by the governments that once controlled the islands. The Public Record Office (PRO) in the U.K. is one such place. That being said, the best thing to do is post a message on the list or newsgroup with as much information as you know about your ancestors and ask for guidance. There are regular contributors to the list with experience in many of the islands. Many times they can provide guidance on where to start. Another tactic that increases your chances of discovering information is to post your interests in as many forums as possible. Surname lists and newsroups, bulletin boards, and regional groups dedicated to the "mothe country" are just a few alternatives. Most of all, be persistent. Many researchers have been contacted years after their original posts by new people just getting involved in their own research. NOTE: If you are new to genealogy research online, please read "Getting Started" at http://www.woodgate.org/FAQs/new_user.html before posting to the list / newsgroup. ++++++++++++++++++++++++ 5. What is the "netiquette" for posting to this mail list / newsgroup? Netiquette guidelines for the soc.genealogy.* hierarchy will be followed in this group / list. Details are at http://www.woodgate.org/FAQs/netiquette.html. A good source of information for general mailing list netiquette is http://www.gweep.ca/~edmonds/usenet/ml-etiquette.html ++++++++++++++++++++++++ 6. What is the difference between a mailing list and a newsgroup? Newsgroups have been around a long time - way before Rootsweb - way before AOL and Prodigy and the web. ROOTS-L and a newsgroup named soc.roots were formed about the same time and were joined a bit later by a couple of pioneers into a successful gateway which on very busy days got maybe 25 messages. It got up to 100 a day by 1994. To start with, newsgroups are not "on Rootsweb". They are on your ISP's server or on servers at places like google.com. Newsgroups are anarchies with nobody at all in charge. Messages are transferred around the net to be picked up by servers in all kinds of places. Email is not involved. I should say nobody is in charge of the unmoderated newsgroups, though the mailing list does have a list manager who takes care of the RootsWeb subscribers. Moderated newsgroups have moderators in charge - but they are there because they were voted in when the group was formed. Rootsweb has mailing list mirrors of all 25 of the soc.genealogy.* newsgroups except for soc.genealogy.jewish and it has a mirror of alt.genealogy. The mirror/gateway lists get all the messages which go to the newsgroups and they post all their messages into the newsgroups. The very reason for the existence of these mailing lists is to mirror those newsgroups, so they live by newsgroups rules. Occasionally this causes a problem. It is important that the mailing list readers understand that the list manager cannot "do" anything about posts to the newsgroup. Usually the gateways are invisible to the readers. Because of the anarchic nature of newsgroups sometimes off topic messages get through which cannot be controlled by a list manager. Because newsgroups provide the "feature" of being able to crosspost to other newsgroups, the worst problems come from troublemakers from the newsgroups side of the gateway who purposely crosspost to unrelated newsgroups and cause a whole lot of crossposted replies from people who are not reading a genealogy group and may just love to argue or be vulgar. This does not happen often, but when it does, the mailing list readers tend to make it worse by yelling for the LISTOWNER TO DO SOMETHING which, of course, is impossible and which makes the vulgar people get more vulgar if they see it. A mailing list message will NOT get crossposted to the other lists, at least, but quotes of it may. Many mailing list subscribers are surprised to find their messages are on newsgroups and vice versa. The connection, though, is beneficial to all. A mailing list with 1000 subscribers possibly has 10,000 readers on the newsgroup side of the gateway - maybe more. (This information is from a posting by Margaret Olson to the Listowners-L mailing list dated November 29, 2000. Reprinted with permission.) ++++++++++++++++++++++++ 7. Can I search old messages from the mail list or newsgroup? The mailing list messages are archived from 1998 to the present. They can be searched interactively, or read in a "threaded" format by month. The interactive search page is http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=CARIBBEAN. The threaded archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/CARIBBEAN-L. Newsgroup postings from 1995 to the present can be found at Google Groups http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search). Posts made after the gateway was activated in 1999 should appear in both archives. ++++++++++++++++++++++++ 8. Why doesn't the subject line contain a "prepend" indicating the name of the list like my other Rootsweb lists do? The "prepend" option has been disabled on Caribbean-L to avoid confusion for readers who access the posts through soc.genealogy.west-indies. This is typical of all gatewayed lists. ++++++++++++++++++++++++ 9. I thought the list was moderated. Why does SPAM appear on the list sometimes? The list is NOT moderated. The list is "closed", which means only subscribers may post. The list is also gatewayed with the USENET newsgroup, which is "filtered". While these tools keep most SPAM out, some postings can get through these controls. The List Administrator will take approriate action against any subscriber that violates the SPAM policy, but there is not much we can do to stop the occassional newsgroup post that makes it through the filters, except ignore it. Responding to offensive or commericial SPAM messages only perpetuates them, so please refrain from doing so ++++++++++++++++++++++++ 10. Can I attach a file to the messages I post to the list / newsgroup? No, all attachments are stripped from posts before they are sent to subscribers on the mailing list. Attachments to posts on the newsgroup are subject to normal USENET limitations. ++++++++++++++++++++++++ 11. Is there is surname index for this mailing list / newsgroup? There is no "official" surname index for this group. One of our subscribers maintains a free list called CARSURDEX (CARibbean SURname InDEX) at http://www.candoo.com/surnames/index.html. Another useful resource is the Surname Helper (http://surhelp.rootsweb.com/srchall.html), which allows a user to search the Message Boards and Websites at Rootsweb. ++++++++++++++++++++++++ 12. What is the difference between the Caribbean and the West Indies? The difference is a technical one, and of minor importance in usage today . The term "West Indies" refers to the archipelago of islands stretching from Florida to South America. It is comprised of the Bahamas, the Greater Antilles, and the Lesser Antilles. The term "Caribbean" refers to the region of the world where the West Indies is located. These terms are interchangeable in common usage. In historical terms, the West Indies is divided up by their respective colonial rulers. For example, reference is made to the British West Indies, French West Indies, Danish West Indies, etc. Within this context, some countries on the South and Central American mainland were included in the grouping due to their close economic and cultural ties. One common example is that British Guiana (now Guyana) was considered a part of the British West Indies

Hi I would like to try and fin a birth record for James WILLIAMS born 1890's in Kingston Jamaica but have no idea where to start. Perhaps someone could point me in the right direction. Thanks Alan --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.478 / Virus Database: 275 - Release Date: 06/05/2003

""Richard Allicock"" <richwyn@idirect.com> wrote in message news:006501c3203b$f7797f80$12059ad8@oemcomputer... A comment in passing on the original post which I missed - a Wedderburn ancestor, 'Dr.' James, who left for Jamaica in 1746 rather hastily, practised as a doctor from a very early date. To the best of my knowledge he had no qualifications whatsoever. The estate diaries of a neighbour mention him frequently in this capacity, while the autobiography of his illegitimate son Robert clearly suggests he had received no training. Peter www.wedderburn.ws The Wedderburn Pages & G.H.O.S.T. Glossary - Genealogy: Help with Old Scottish Terms

Hi I have some knowlege of the medical profession as practised in Jamaica in the 19th century. I have 6 or 8 ancestor doctors in the Phillippo and Saunders families who trained in London or Edinburgh. The better doctors later qualified as Fellows of the Royal College of Physicians or Surgeons, sometimes both. Dentist also could qualify for the Royal College designation. If they qualified for the Royal College their records are at the Royal College site: http://www.rcseng.ac.uk/ They will do a searchfor you. I haven't had a search done yet, but there was a Dr. Arthur Rich Saunders FRCP&S who practised in Kingston from roughly 1865 until 1908. Hope this helps. Jim ""Richard Allicock"" <richwyn@idirect.com> wrote in message news:006501c3203b$f7797f80$12059ad8@oemcomputer... > Hi Joan, > > I have found the children of West Indian plantation owners training in > Scotland as early as the mid-1700's, training in various fields like > Chemistry and Agronomy, and other fields which I think would have been > useful to them as the sons of Plantation owners. This particuIar example > came from Scotland from a University. Another example that I have, is of a > son of a Plantation owner, who went to Scotland and trained as a Doctor in > the very period you mention, even establishing his own Spa or Baths as they > were called then. He trained at University too. > > But I think the training was more integrated then, with study in class-rooms > in the hospitals combined with walking the wards, very similar to the > teaching hospitals of to-day. I am sure that as soon as many plantation > owners established a family, and by the time the sons had reached an age to > go to university, and had demonstrated the aptitude or inclination for > further education, some of them did go to university, but not necessarily to > study medicine. Many of them did not return to practise in the colonies, but > some did. > > Your "plethora" of Practitioners in Physic and Surgery probably had some of > these. Surgery in those days frequently did not go beyond amputations, or > lancing boils, which even barbers or ships carpenters could and did do. > Doctors of Physic was usually one who dispensed medicines, and may have dome > some blood letting or leeching. Any apothecary or apothecary's assistant > could have set himself up as Doctor with or without fake papers. So I > suspect that there may have been some of these in the mix as well. > > But for sure there may have been a few genuine doctors, and for the British > West Indies the first place I would look is Scotland. > > It seems to be a little known fact on how much the Scots more than the > English pre-dominated in the day to day life of places like Guyana and > Jamaica, and I suspect many of the other islands. Once the Crown Colony > system was established, the English dominated at the political levels, but > the Scots were well represented, and in some places, and at some times, even > predominant in trade and finance, the skilled trades and as Overseers on the > Plantations. And not to forget in education as well, through the Scottish > Missionary Societies, especially afer slavery was abolished, again in the > period you mention. After the abolition of slavery in 1838, I suspect that > some older out of work Overseers who may have had years of experience in > dispensing Apothecaries' potions to the slaves or even performing the odd > amputation, may have set themselves up with the same title of Doctor of > Physic and Surgery. > > One traveller in the very period you mention commented on how British Guiana > was the most Scottish of the British colonies, while Barbados was the most > English. I am sorry that I did not have the pleasure of reading the whole > book, as I was reading only in relation to Demerara. However it might help > to know that I did correspond with some-one at one of the Scottish > Universities a few years ago, who had just finished a thesis on the Scots in > the West Indies. His base of operations was Jamaica and he was a good > advertisement for Red Stripe beer:)) > > I hope this helps. > > Richard > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Garcia-Sibley" <wintergully@direct.ca> > To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 5:38 PM > Subject: Re PRO wills for doctors > > > > Thanks to those who recently gave us this address at the PRO: > > > http://www.documentsonline.pro.gov.uk/ > > > > I entered "Jamaica" in the Advanced Search section and deleted all > > categories except "wills" and "text". > > > > First, I was struck by how many unfamiliar names there were, and assume > that > > many were UK ex-patriots or seamen who worked on ships travelling to > > Jamaica. > > > > Second, I noticed an extraordinary number of "Practitioners in Physic > (sic) > > and Surgery". I would welcome any thoughts from Listers on the following: > > Would these have been doctors mostly from the UK working in the Island? > > Does anyone know the most likely cities/country where West Indians would > > have gone for medical training between 1800 and 1850? I wonder if the > > training then would have taken place as it does now, first at a university > > and then at a hospital. > > > > I ask because my g-g-g-grandfather, who was born in Jamaica and who also > > died there, practised medicine in Kingston. His son is also described as > a > > medical doctor, yet we can find absolutely no record of where they > trained. > > > > Thanks, > > Joan Garcia > > -- > > > > > > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > > For information on individual islands, research aids, island bulletin > boards or history please visit the CaribbeanGenWeb project at > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~caribgw/ > > > > >

Try the Island Record Office in Spanish Town Jamaica.

>Hi James. >Thanks. Every detail helps, beginning with knowing what is where. I do agree. We have so little onsite research for most of the islands. Since I have started my research, going on 3 1/2 years now, I have found it increasingly difficult to search the net for islands like Anguilla, Tortola, Anegada, et. As Richard says.. >Thanks again. Please let me know if the lecture/photocopy that you have >includes more Geographical and Chronological detail/breakdowns I would be interested too. Double Cheers!!! Ms. Ronnie Smith.

Hi Joan, The connections between Phildelphia and the West Indies is also an area of interest that I have in my family research. Can you give more details and sources? Were these brothers both born in America? Do you know if they were practising Quakers or nominal ones? Richard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan Higgins" <jmhiggins@comcast.net> To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 1:28 PM Subject: Isaac Streaper > Hello, > I am deep into the Streeper family research. > > My research tells me that an Isaac Streaper went to the West Indies in 1796. > He would have been about 19 years old. He may have had some money to buy > property. His family was of Quaker heritage and of German/Dutch/Palatine > descent. > > Later, his brother, Richard, is a confectioner, not a baker, at the port of > Philadelphia. It sounds like he handled sugar. > > How could I learn more about Isaac? > > Streeper can be spelled many ways. This branch of the family spelled it > Streaper most often. > > Thanks so much for any help or advice that anyone can give. > > Sincerely yours, > Joan Higgins > > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > ROOTSWEB MAILING LIST HELP PAGES > What is a Mailing List? > http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/help/mail1.html > >

Hi Joan, I have found the children of West Indian plantation owners training in Scotland as early as the mid-1700's, training in various fields like Chemistry and Agronomy, and other fields which I think would have been useful to them as the sons of Plantation owners. This particuIar example came from Scotland from a University. Another example that I have, is of a son of a Plantation owner, who went to Scotland and trained as a Doctor in the very period you mention, even establishing his own Spa or Baths as they were called then. He trained at University too. But I think the training was more integrated then, with study in class-rooms in the hospitals combined with walking the wards, very similar to the teaching hospitals of to-day. I am sure that as soon as many plantation owners established a family, and by the time the sons had reached an age to go to university, and had demonstrated the aptitude or inclination for further education, some of them did go to university, but not necessarily to study medicine. Many of them did not return to practise in the colonies, but some did. Your "plethora" of Practitioners in Physic and Surgery probably had some of these. Surgery in those days frequently did not go beyond amputations, or lancing boils, which even barbers or ships carpenters could and did do. Doctors of Physic was usually one who dispensed medicines, and may have dome some blood letting or leeching. Any apothecary or apothecary's assistant could have set himself up as Doctor with or without fake papers. So I suspect that there may have been some of these in the mix as well. But for sure there may have been a few genuine doctors, and for the British West Indies the first place I would look is Scotland. It seems to be a little known fact on how much the Scots more than the English pre-dominated in the day to day life of places like Guyana and Jamaica, and I suspect many of the other islands. Once the Crown Colony system was established, the English dominated at the political levels, but the Scots were well represented, and in some places, and at some times, even predominant in trade and finance, the skilled trades and as Overseers on the Plantations. And not to forget in education as well, through the Scottish Missionary Societies, especially afer slavery was abolished, again in the period you mention. After the abolition of slavery in 1838, I suspect that some older out of work Overseers who may have had years of experience in dispensing Apothecaries' potions to the slaves or even performing the odd amputation, may have set themselves up with the same title of Doctor of Physic and Surgery. One traveller in the very period you mention commented on how British Guiana was the most Scottish of the British colonies, while Barbados was the most English. I am sorry that I did not have the pleasure of reading the whole book, as I was reading only in relation to Demerara. However it might help to know that I did correspond with some-one at one of the Scottish Universities a few years ago, who had just finished a thesis on the Scots in the West Indies. His base of operations was Jamaica and he was a good advertisement for Red Stripe beer:)) I hope this helps. Richard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garcia-Sibley" <wintergully@direct.ca> To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 5:38 PM Subject: Re PRO wills for doctors > Thanks to those who recently gave us this address at the PRO: > > http://www.documentsonline.pro.gov.uk/ > > I entered "Jamaica" in the Advanced Search section and deleted all > categories except "wills" and "text". > > First, I was struck by how many unfamiliar names there were, and assume that > many were UK ex-patriots or seamen who worked on ships travelling to > Jamaica. > > Second, I noticed an extraordinary number of "Practitioners in Physic (sic) > and Surgery". I would welcome any thoughts from Listers on the following: > Would these have been doctors mostly from the UK working in the Island? > Does anyone know the most likely cities/country where West Indians would > have gone for medical training between 1800 and 1850? I wonder if the > training then would have taken place as it does now, first at a university > and then at a hospital. > > I ask because my g-g-g-grandfather, who was born in Jamaica and who also > died there, practised medicine in Kingston. His son is also described as a > medical doctor, yet we can find absolutely no record of where they trained. > > Thanks, > Joan Garcia > -- > > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > For information on individual islands, research aids, island bulletin boards or history please visit the CaribbeanGenWeb project at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~caribgw/ > >

Do you know, or does anyone know, where I could get DNA testing and would it prove my Jewishness? Sadie Weiss ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alba Dunlop" <adunlop@ilap.com> To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 11:33 PM Subject: Re: DNA testing > Thanks again for your help. Yes the Jewish side of the family tree has yielded a gold mine of information. I was so surprised to find > all this information was there and had survived after all the upheavals and persecutions through out the ages. > Alba > > Rory McGregor wrote: > > > This I am not sure about and I think actually the best thing is to go to the > > website www.familytreedna.com and send them an email. They should be able > > to answer. Just to note one of their biggest projects is to trace Jewish > > DNA so their database could be quite useful to you. > > > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > ROOTSWEB MAILING LIST HELP PAGES > What is a Mailing List? > http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/help/mail1.html >

Hi Sara, I see Joan has sent you a link for DNA testing, so I will deal with the aspect of testing for Jewishness. Up to about two months ago, I would have said that you would have had to be male to test for Jewishness, and only for one particular line of Jews, that is, the descendants of Priests, (not Rabbis). This is a test for the so-called Cohenic (or as pronounced Kohanic) gene. If you were male and descended from a Priest long forgotten you would have this gene and that would have shown your Jewishness. You will see Cohanim on the website and I am sure you will know what that means. This test was able to prove that a group of people (Africans) in South Africa, who claimed to have practised Judaism, and were thus Jews from time immemorial, were descended from a Priest or Cohen. For female ancestry we have long known that you can use mitochondrial DNA, but I do not think that you can tell a person's Jewishness from that unless you combine it with a genealogy which connects you to a line of Jews. But about two months ago I learnt that analysis can obtain both X and Y chromosomal data from mitochondrial DNA. But this means that unless you have the Kohanic gene you would not be able to establish your Jewishness from this mitochondrial DNA test alone. I hope this helps. Richard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sara Weiss" <ksara@tesco.net> To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 3:54 PM Subject: Re: DNA testing > Do you know, or does anyone know, where I could get DNA testing and would it prove my Jewishness? > > Sadie Weiss > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alba Dunlop" <adunlop@ilap.com> > To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 11:33 PM > Subject: Re: DNA testing > > > > Thanks again for your help. Yes the Jewish side of the family tree has yielded a gold mine of information. I was so surprised to find > > all this information was there and had survived after all the upheavals and persecutions through out the ages. > > Alba > > > > Rory McGregor wrote: > > > > > This I am not sure about and I think actually the best thing is to go to the > > > website www.familytreedna.com and send them an email. They should be able > > > to answer. Just to note one of their biggest projects is to trace Jewish > > > DNA so their database could be quite useful to you. > > > > > > > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > > ROOTSWEB MAILING LIST HELP PAGES > > What is a Mailing List? > > http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/help/mail1.html > > > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > all messages posted to CARIBBEAN-L are archived at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Before posting a query, see if the question has already been asked > >

Yes.....Dorothy Kew or I could help you. There are LDS films for Church of England records for that period for several of the parishes. Which area are you looking in? I have found many of mine for that period in these films. Heather > Does anyone have any insights about finding births during the period 1847 - > 1855? > > Only Church records appear to be available but so far I have not found the > information I need. > > Madeline Mitchell's book appears to be out of print now... > > Pauline C. > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > For information on individual islands, research aids, island bulletin boards or history please visit the CaribbeanGenWeb project at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~caribgw/ > >

Does anyone have any insights about finding births during the period 1847 - 1855? Only Church records appear to be available but so far I have not found the information I need. Madeline Mitchell's book appears to be out of print now... Pauline C.

Hi Joan, For a start, the BVIGenWeb site is here: http://www.britishislesgenweb.org/~bvi/ Maybe some of the other listers will have further info for you. Dean ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan Higgins" <jmhiggins@comcast.net> To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 8:44 PM Subject: BVI > Hello Listers, > > WHERE DO I BEGIN searching for family history in the British Virgin Islands? > > ...Do the BVI have an Historical society? > > ... Is there an Archives? > > ... Please can someone give me a link. > > ... Where are vital records? > > When I search google I get a LOT of tourist attractions and very little > history. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Thank you so much > > > Joan > > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > For information on individual islands, research aids, island bulletin boards or history please visit the CaribbeanGenWeb project at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~caribgw/ > >

Hello Listers, WHERE DO I BEGIN searching for family history in the British Virgin Islands? ...Do the BVI have an Historical society? ... Is there an Archives? ... Please can someone give me a link. ... Where are vital records? When I search google I get a LOT of tourist attractions and very little history. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you so much Joan

Sara, there is a kit at this site. http://www.familytreedna.com/kit.html JMH ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sara Weiss" <ksara@tesco.net> To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 6:54 PM Subject: Re: DNA testing > Do you know, or does anyone know, where I could get DNA testing and would it prove my Jewishness? > > Sadie Weiss > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alba Dunlop" <adunlop@ilap.com> > To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 11:33 PM > Subject: Re: DNA testing > > > > Thanks again for your help. Yes the Jewish side of the family tree has yielded a gold mine of information. I was so surprised to find > > all this information was there and had survived after all the upheavals and persecutions through out the ages. > > Alba > > > > Rory McGregor wrote: > > > > > This I am not sure about and I think actually the best thing is to go to the > > > website www.familytreedna.com and send them an email. They should be able > > > to answer. Just to note one of their biggest projects is to trace Jewish > > > DNA so their database could be quite useful to you. > > > > > > > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > > ROOTSWEB MAILING LIST HELP PAGES > > What is a Mailing List? > > http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/help/mail1.html > > > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > all messages posted to CARIBBEAN-L are archived at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Before posting a query, see if the question has already been asked >

Thanks to those who recently gave us this address at the PRO: > http://www.documentsonline.pro.gov.uk/ I entered "Jamaica" in the Advanced Search section and deleted all categories except "wills" and "text". First, I was struck by how many unfamiliar names there were, and assume that many were UK ex-patriots or seamen who worked on ships travelling to Jamaica. Second, I noticed an extraordinary number of "Practitioners in Physic (sic) and Surgery". I would welcome any thoughts from Listers on the following: Would these have been doctors mostly from the UK working in the Island? Does anyone know the most likely cities/country where West Indians would have gone for medical training between 1800 and 1850? I wonder if the training then would have taken place as it does now, first at a university and then at a hospital. I ask because my g-g-g-grandfather, who was born in Jamaica and who also died there, practised medicine in Kingston. His son is also described as a medical doctor, yet we can find absolutely no record of where they trained. Thanks, Joan Garcia --

HI Tony I don't have any evidence of a Newfoundland connection yet, but I can't rule it out either. My family has itchy feet and I know I have family in Canada, England, Jamaica and Australia.so far. I'll post any new information I find out about it. Jim Saunders "tony figueroa" <tfiggytoo@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:20030521123624.83496.qmail@web13805.mail.yahoo.com... > Hi Jim, > Do you have any connection to the Saunders family in Newfoundland? > Tony Figueroa > > > > Jim Saunders <Jim-Saunders@shaw.ca> wrote:I'm new to genealogy and I'm looking for leads to Saunders and Phillippo > families in Jamaica. Have information on the Saunders Family in Canada. > > Jim > > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > all messages posted to CARIBBEAN-L are archived at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Before posting a query, see if the question has already been asked > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. >

Hello - Looking for information on Henry Levison, President, Kingston Athenaeum, 1836. - At that time located at corner of George's Lane and Milk St., Kingston, Jamaica. Does the Athenaeum have a current web site? Thank you - Richard Lyman