Hi. Just to add a little imformation to the medical dicsussion. I come from a long line of doctors (I'm not one though) in the UK, BWI and Canada. The proper training for doctors in the new world was limited to a very few places and both the New World and Old World med schools were very expensive. It was common-place to apprentice to a doctor for a year or two and then you could set up your own practise. The flaw in that method was you could only be as good as the doctor who taught you and the medical profession did not begin to be controlled until the late 19th century, although country doctors were still apprenticed until around the turn of the century. Jim

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For what they are worth, here are a few deaths relating to Grenada, jotted down in Scotland many years ago. John GRENADA DEATHS Linton, David Dr died before July 1818; physician in Grenada; dau Mary R Linton [d 19.7.1818] was buried Ayr. [Ayr Auld Kirk] Beattie, John died 5 Feb 1773 age 28 'in Grenada', son of William B in Todhillwood. [Canonbie Ch MI] Beattie, William died 7 Sept 1776 'in Grenada', son of William B in Todhillwood. [Canonbie Ch MI] Paterson, William died 5 Feb 1812 'planter in the island of Grenada', son of William P, merchant in Stirling. [Dumfries & Galloway Courier 26/5/1812] Douglas, John died 31 July 1838 age 36 'in the Island of Grenada', eldest son of Robert D [d 17.4.1830 age 57 at Castle Douglas]. [Kelton Ch MI] Todd, James died 11 Aug 1853 'at Belmont, Grenada' age 44, 4th son of William T in High Curghie [1774-1863] who died at Drumore, Mull of Galloway. [Kirkmaiden Ch MI] La Grenade, John died 30 May 1824 in his 17th yr, son of Louis La Grenade 'of the Island of Grenada' [Lancaster St Leonard with St Anne Churchyard MI]. Telfer, William d 18 Aug 1789 'at Granada..where..interred' in his 33rd yr. Some years Surgeon in RN then doctor in Grenada; son of John Telfer, late tenant in Waulkmilln. [Westerkirk/Bentpath: Westerkirk Ch MI] Wilson, Alexander died 1845 at Retreat Cottage, Grenada in 37th year, no date, formerly of Stranraer. [Wigtown Free Press 1845; 31/07 1f] Ritchie, Alexander d 22 Aug 1855 age 34 in Grenada; late Ch Engineer RMSS Eagle - 'comrades have erected a stone .. his grave there' son of William R, tenant in Wiston Mains [d 10.7.1864 age 76]. [Wiston Ch MI] ----- Original Message ----- From: "cindy kilgore" <minke@wcvt.com> To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 4:34 PM Subject: Scots in Grenada > Lenora, > You may recall my posts from the past in which I've tried to generate > interest in the Scots - a misconception I continually see is the term > "British" which is being taken for "English" - British is English, > Scots and Irish. The Scots were a major influence in SVG and Grenada > since 1763. Brown is a toughy as it can pass for both English and > Scottish. BUT there were major Glasgow tobacco lords owning property on > these islands and I think there were some Browns involved - check in > local library for "Glasgow Tobacco Lords" by TM Devine. > > David Dobson is "the man" for all things Scottish in genealogy - I have > several of his books and just yesterday ordered 6 new ones. An > excellent reference of his pertaining to WI is Scottish Emigration to > Colonial America 1607-1785 (probably the most helpful of all his books > for WI information). AND I STILL recommend to you guys Karras' > Sojourners in the Sun about Scots migration to the Chesapeake and > Jamaica - regardless of what island you are looking at as it explains > how the Scots moved and how their family structure worked. > > And yes, Lenora, there were (and still are) bad guys, but it depends > which side of the fence you're sitting on and besides the beauty of > genealogy and history is seeing the picture as it occurred and not make > personal judgments that could alter the course of events. It just "is." > > best wishes all, > Cindy > ps - Cheryl, you down on Carpenter Street yet? > > > > > > Just a question inserted here regarding the Scots... My Brown line > > were > > planters in Grenada... I know they were there in mid 1800's.. what > > would be > > the earliest date for the Scots to establish, or possibly purchase. > > estates > > or establish plantations..? Where can you find information regards the > > establishment of a plantation?? I am sure there would be Tax Lists or > > something???? I know someone on this site had a list of plantations > > and when > > formed in general,, but I have been unable to find it. > > I am just curious as to when the Scots might have started appearing.. > > Trying > > to sort out the Browns I found in Grenada and their realtionships. > > Thank > > Lenora, > > > > > Try this: > > The Original Scots Colonists of Early America: Caribbean Supplement > > 1611-1707 by David Dobson. Published by Genealogical Publishing > > Company, > > 1001 N. Calvert Street, Baltimore, MD 21202. 1999. x, 149 pp. $20 plus > > $3.50 > > p&h. > > > > > > > > Thanks Ann,, will try to get this...I guess I had better start reading > > Oliver Cromwell's life...Not that it would affect me except in a > > general > > way,, my grandmother line--way back-- came into Cromwell line.. but > > from > > what I remember from school. not exactly something I would want to > > brag > > about????OR perhaps I was led astray by books I have read about him? > > One > > thing about doing genealogy,, if its so great and absolutely beautiful > > and > > wonderful,, with no "bad" guys in it.. it isnt really a true > > genealogy!!! > > Lenora > >> > > > > ______________________________

Hi Listers, Here are some ailments and cures in Victorian times. Many of these were probably used before then. We can imagine that substitutes for some of the ingredients had to be found when in the West Indies. Hard Breasts.-Apply turnips roasted till soft, then mashed and mixed with a little oil of roses; change this twice a day, keeping the breast very warm with flannel. Soft, Breasts and Swelled.-Boil a handful of chamomile and as much mallows in milk and water; foment with it between two flannels as hot as can be borne, every twelve hours. It also dissolves any knot or swelling in any part. A Bruise.-Immediately apply treacle spread on brown paper; or electrify the part, which is the quickest cure of all. A Burn or Scald.-Immediately plunge the part into cold water. keep it in an hour, if not well before ; perhaps four or five hours. Or, electrify it; if this can be done presently, it totally cares the most desperate burn. Or, apply a bruised onion. In a deep Burn or Scald, mix lime-water and sweet oil, to the thickness of cream; apply it with a feather several times a day; this is a very effectual application. A Cancer in the Breast, of thirteen years' standing, has been cured by frequently applying red poppy-water, plantain and rose-water, mixed with honey of roses ; afterwards, the waters alone perfect the cure. Or, take horse-spun, (a kind of warts that grow on the inside of horses' fore legs,) and dry them by the fire, till they will beat to powder. Sift and infuse two drachms in two quarts of ale; drink half a pint every six hours, new-milk warm. It has cured many. A Cancer in any other Part.-Apply red onions bruised. For a Cancer in the Mouth.-Boil a few leaves of succory, plantain, and rue, with a spoonful of honey, for a quarter of an hour. Gargle with this often in an hour; or, with vinegar and honey, wherein half an ounce of roche-alum is boiled. To cure Chilblains.-Apply a poultice of roasted onions hot; keep it on two or three days, if not cured sooner. Hard Breasts.-Apply turnips roasted till soft, then mashed and mixed with a little oil of roses; change this twice a day, keeping the breast very warm with flannel. Chin-cough, or Hooping-cough.-Use the cold-bath daily; or rub the back, at lying down, with old rum-it seldom fails. In desperate cases, change of air alone has cured. Cholera Morbus, or Flux and Vomiting.-Drink two or three quarts of cold water, if strong ; or warm water, if weak. Or, decoction of rice, or barley, or toasted oaten bread. To cure chopt Hands.-Wash with soft soap, mixed with red sand; or wash them in sugar and water, or in venegar. For a Cold.-Drink a pint of cold water lying down in bed; or a spoonful of' treacle in half a pint of water. In a Fit of the Cholic.-Drink a pint of cold water, of a quart of warm water Or, apply outwardly a bag of hot oats; or steep the legs in hot water a quarter of an hour.-Or, take a spoon-full of sweet oil. For a Consumption.-Cold bathing has cured many deep consumptions. Take no food but new butter-milk churned in a bottle, and white bread. Or, boil two handfulls of sorrel in a pint of whey; strain it, and drink a glass thrice a day. Or, turn a pint of skimmed milk with half a pint of small beer; boil in this whey about twenty ivy leaves, and two or three sprigs of hysop; drink half overnight, and the rest in the morning; do this, if needful for two months daily-it has cured in desperate cases. Convulsion in Children.-Scrape piony roots, fresh digged; apply what you have scraped off to the soles of the feet ; it helps immediately. This should give us a better idea of the kinds of cures that the Doctors in the BWI may have indulged in between 1800-1850 and before and after. Cheers! Rich

""Richard Allicock"" <richwyn@idirect.com> wrote in message news:01f101c321be$ad55f3a0$16049ad8@oemcomputer... > I was very happy to see the response in regard to the above title, (and I forgot to add) to a previous email on the Scots in the West Indies). But in relation to the above there is something that should be said. It should not be thought that people who used such titles without having formal training in a hospital or in a university were frauds, fakes or like the snake-oil salesmen. > > Given the state of medicine at the time, they were adequate. Whether it was making and dispensing potions, effusions of barks, leaves or flowers, or powders of the fore-going, they were drawing on a long tradition of such usage. They, like doctors had to match their potions to symptoms that they observed or elicited from the suffering person concerned. In a time before the aboliton of slavery, if they were adequate or good they did no harm, as the patient would get better or at least get no worse. After, the abolition of slavery, when they had to be paid by their patients, their ability to remain in their practice would have also depended on how well the patient did after treatment. > > snip (details of diseases) > > So there is no reason to disrespect or suspect the abilities of those who gave themselves the title of Doctor of Physic and Surgery in the BWI up to 1850. If they were using Jenner's method of innoculation they would have been among the best doctors of the time. > While the above is undoubtedly true, I would add a note of caution. From "The Horrors of Slavery" by Robert Wedderburn, 1824: "He [James Wedderburn, Robert's father] adopted the medical profession; and in Jamaica he was Doctor and Man-Midwife, and turned an honest penny by drugging and physicing the poor blacks, where those that were cured, he had the credit for, and for those he killed, the fault was laid to their own obstinacy." From Iain McCalman's introduction to "The Horrors of Slavery" in the 1991 edition: "..... And, above all, Thistlewood's [1] precise, unemotional record of his frequent fornications confirms Wedderburn's claims about the sexually predatory character of many Jamaican slaveholders. Supporting evidence of the generality of this trend comes from no less an authority than Wedderburn's own father, Dr. James Wedderburn, who told his friend and neighbour Thistlewood 'that of those who have long been on this island ... 4/5ths die of the venereal disease, one way or the other, occasioned by it'. The diaries further confirm Robert's claims in Horrors of Slavery that his father practised as a doctor and male midwife 'drugging and physicing poor blacks'...." [1] For those with a strong stomach, Thistlewood's diaries, "In Miserable Slavery: Thomas Thistlewood in Jamaica 1750-1786", Douglas Hall, are an excellent resource. The author had to be very selective in compiling this work as there are more than 10,000 pages in the originals (which I spent a few days poring over in the Lincoln archives, Hall must have spent months deciphering the whole lot). It describes in great detail the work and techniques of the bona fide doctors mentioned by Richard, as well as that of the more questionable practitioners. It includes many matter-of-fact accounts of slave punishments, and some of the methods used. Absolutely horrific - think of the worst thing you can imagine, read this book, and you will still be shocked. Peter www.wedderburn.ws The Wedderburn Pages & G.H.O.S.T. Glossary - Genealogy: Help with Old Scottish terms

Bonjour I do not know if my message was received on the list. So I try again. All comments are welcome. Bonjour Hard for me to explain in english. I shall try. Tables décennales : for ech town or parish lists in alphabetic order (1st letter) of acts (Birth or Batism, marriage, death or burial) with type of act (N = naisssance birth, M mariage, D = Décès death or S sépulture burial), the name with or without first name, the date (DDMMYYYY) and the page were the record is (folio Recto or Verso sometimes). One list covers 10 years. One film of tables décennales covers often 2 or 3 or more towns or parishes. In french colonies (West Indies for example) the registers were written by catholic priest only before Révolution. In France l'état civil (civic state) starts in 1792. In West Indies later : Guadeloupe 1793 and Martiniquie 1812 (or around) because the english occupation. Year 1776 Louis XVI asked for all the old registers be copied and the copies sent to Versailles. But... hurricanes and others earthquake had destroyed some registers. The priests who must copy the acts have or not do the job. It is the reason why registers of Guadeloupe are oldest than those of Martinique. You can look at http://members.aol.com/GHCaraibe/geo/communes.html Sorry this page is in french. If somebody could translate... So for a search you must start with films of tables décennales, note the pages of acts and go to th film containing the acts. What are the problems encountered ? About Tables décennales which were made years after the copies of registers. 1° Some acts are missing in the tables particularly for free colored people (Remenber the registers do not have acts of slaves) 2° The tables were made fom some registers now losts and the pages' number is not corresponding to the registers available. 3° Some names are mispelled, even the first letter 4° You must look at each part of names eg : REVERCHON de LA CROIX look at R, D, L and C If the person you are looking for has only first names you have to look at each first letter eg : Uranie Pierre Moyse : look at U, P and M About Acts 1°) A lot of missing acts 2°) The copist had not copy all the act : lines are missing. 3°) The copist has replaced a name by an other 4°) The copist had tried to copy what he read without understandins the meaning. You must read aloud to understand. Last thing : In the films some pages are missing or unreadable I do not know the references of LDS films because they have been renumbered in the french Archives. After the acts you have to look at "notariat". Have a good time and go to Martinique or Aix en Provence in the "old european country" (:-((( Philippe Rossignol Dans l'article <19d.151c4849.2bf94063@aol.com>, PennyKilbane@aol.coma écrit : > >I think the "tables décennales" are the civic / state records (rather than >Church records), is this correct? I looked on the family search web site and >found thousands of records for films related to "tables décennales". Could >you guide me a little further please? > >Where do I find the references to the films of the "tables décennales" where >I can search to order the correct one from the LDS? Is there anywhere else >that I should be looking?

I am looking in Spanish Town, St Catherine. I got the film from the LDS vault but I could not find the births I need to find. Pauline C.

"cindy kilgore" <minke@wcvt.com> wrote in message news:FBE01983-8D33-11D7-B55D-000393A1EEBC@wcvt.com... > AND I STILL recommend to you guys Karras' > Sojourners in the Sun about Scots migration to the Chesapeake and > Jamaica - regardless of what island you are looking at as it explains > how the Scots moved and how their family structure worked. > I'll second that. And there just happens to be a spare copy of mine, in fine condition, on Ebay (France) at the moment. A borrowed copy I thought I had lost for good turned up just as I had bought a replacement. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3523547862&category=39525 Peter www.wedderburn.ws The Wedderburn Pages & G.H.O.S.T. Glossary - Genealogy: Help with Old Scottish Terms

Bonjour richard Non, je n'ai pas de question(merci), je propose mon aide tout simplement, j'aime la généalogie et rendre service. merci Aline charles bénévole FGW et fil d'Arine 971. richwyn@idirect.com ("Richard Allicock") wrote in message news:<00fb01c3218e$f5d119a0$16049ad8@oemcomputer>... > Cher Aline, > > Avez-vous une question? > > Richard > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "aline" <s.charles@ool.fr> > To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 1:22 PM > Subject: je peux faire des recheches Guadeloupe > > > > J'habite en guadeloupe et je peux faire quelque recherche mais je ne > > parle pas anglais,ni ecris. > > Amicalement aline charles Guadeloupe > > > > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > > ROOTSWEB MAILING LIST HELP PAGES > > What is a Mailing List? > > http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/help/mail1.html > > > >

I was very happy to see the response in regard to the above title, (and I forgot to add) to a previous email on the Scots in the West Indies). But in relation to the above there is something that should be said. It should not be thought that people who used such titles without having formal training in a hospital or in a university were frauds, fakes or like the snake-oil salesmen. Given the state of medicine at the time, they were adequate. Whether it was making and dispensing potions, effusions of barks, leaves or flowers, or powders of the fore-going, they were drawing on a long tradition of such usage. They, like doctors had to match their potions to symptoms that they observed or elicited from the suffering person concerned. In a time before the aboliton of slavery, if they were adequate or good they did no harm, as the patient would get better or at least get no worse. After, the abolition of slavery, when they had to be paid by their patients, their ability to remain in their practice would have also depended on how well the patient did after treatment. Of course we now know of the Placebo effect. We also know of ethno-botany, and the race by the Pharmaceutical companies to "mine" the traditional remedies, the Pharmacopeia of aboriginal peoples based on herbes, weeds, roots, barks, vines, flowers, buds, funguses and mushrooms, animal skins, insects etc., in the hope of discovering the active chemicals and to synthesise them for medical purposes. We know also that some of these have long ago been synthesized, as in the case of Aspirin, from Willow bark, and more recently of a cancer treatment from the bark of the Yew trees. Much have also been found and synthesised, in some cases, like Kava Kava, the latter had undesireable effects like many other drugs. But others were and are promising, as in the case of papaya for female contraception. And stories are legion about conists/ travellers the world over colonists allowing themselves to be treated by native peoples and recovering completley or at least not getting any worse. It should be remebered that the Germ Theory of Disease was not discovered by Louis Pasteur until 1864, even though van Leeuwebhoek had discovered them with his microscope in 1683. The same goes for viruses. This again is outside the period of 1800-1850. The fact that mosquitos caused malaria and yellow fever was not discovered until the turn of the century. The aetiology diseases in terms of microbes could only develop after 1864. Viruses were not discovered until 1898. While the treatment of wounds by bandaging with certain liquids as dressing was discovered as early as 1536, by one of the fathers of modern medicine Ambroise Pare', by the time of the American civil War bandaged soldiers were dying like flies in the field hospitals. It was observed that soldiers in unsanitary conditions with flies etc. did better with their deep flesh wounds than those in more anti-septic field hospitals, and that these wounds healed faster after fly larvae had developed in them and this st! rategy was adopted and saved many thousands of lives. Penicillin was not disovered until 1928 by Alexander Fleming. Until 1942, it was used to treat mainly military injuries. After the Boston Fire of that year when two hundred people were treated for extensive burns it came into general use. Malaria was long known by the Chinese, East Indians and Egyptians and mentioned in ancient manuscripts. In 1640 that Cinchona bark was used by Huan del Vego to treat it, but this was long used by Peruvian natives to treat fevers. By 1696 Morton gave a detailed description of it, but no-one yet knew what caused it. By 1717, Lancisi linked it to poisonous vapours of swamps or bad air, hence the name Malaria. It was not until between 1880 and 1897 that the parasites were identified, and linked to the mosquito and to the female anopheles in particular, and methods developed to identify the parasite and a treatment with methylene blue proved effective. It was not until between 1928 and 1944 that compounds were synthesized for treatment malaria and eradication of mosquitos. It was not until literally the turn of the century that Walter Reed, was certain that it was the aedes egypti mosquito was the vector of yellow fever. It was not until the 1930's that methods were developed which enabled the identification of a broad range of viruses that caused human disease, although from the time of Pasteur it had been known that some-thing smaller than a bacterium could cause disease. Immunity after infection by a disease was known to the earlt Greeks. The principle of innoculation for with a less virulent strain for immunity, was known by the ancient Chinese, and the latter practiced it. It was observed in Turkey in 1721 and introduced to Britain by the wife of the British Ambassador, but not called vaccination, it was called variolation. Edward Jenner in 1796 used a strain of the cowpox to treat a young boy, after observing that milk-maids appeared to be immune to smallpox after they had gotten cowpox. Jenner used the scrapings of the milk-maids sores. Later vaccines were developed by Pasteur in 1880's. By 1898, Bordet set the science of immunology on firm foundations. So there is no reason to disrespect or suspect the abilities of those who gave themselves the title of Doctor of Physic and Surgery in the BWI up to 1850. If they were using Jenner's method of innoculation they would have been among the best doctors of the time. I only hope that they did not do surgery that was more sophisticated than an amputation or two. And thank goodness that the process of child-birth was left in the hands of experienced older females, because even in this (1800-1850 period and after, until the germ theory was accepted, and steps taken to diminish germs as with Lister's methods), in the most advanced countries, with well-trained doctors, more deaths were caused by dirty hands than anything else. Cheers! Richard

What a super idea! Of course both Devon & Dorset are full the the retired educated middle classes which must account for its success and genesis there. Edward Crawford ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Allicock" <richwyn@idirect.com> To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 10:10 PM Subject: On-Line Parish Clerks/Other Records/Most Welcome Development > Hi Listers, > > This will certainly free many of us from the reliance on Censuses, Church Parish Records, County Record Offices, Wills and Administrations, and the absences of evidence in them that produce so many road-blocks and dead-ends in UK research. > > This is part of the FREE project done by volunteers, and for which only the English Counties of Devon and Cornwall have some Parishes completed. These clerks are not employed by the Parish or County, and will do free look-ups. Volunteers can offer their transcribing time from thousands of miles away. You might want to contact FHS's in the Counties of your interest to see if they have OPC's what they have done so far. > > > Cheers!!!! > > Richard Allicock > Toronto, Canada > > > >From Rootsweb Review, Vol.6, no. 21, May 21, 2003. > > 1b. English Lessons: What's an OPC? > By Lynda Mudle-Small > Coordinator Dorset OPC Project: http://www.dorset-opc.com/ > > An Online Parish Clerk (OPC) is a relatively new initiative originating > in Cornwall more than two years ago from discussion on the RootsWeb > Mailing List. Like any good idea it spread to Devon and has now been > launched in Dorset. Whilst each county scheme has its differences, the > general principle of providing free information about a parish, its > people and history, to assist family historians, is common to all. > > So, what do OPCs do? Well, they will first of all select a parish > (several do more than one) in which they have an interest and will then > gather and transcribe as much information as they can about that parish > in order to eventually have an overall picture of that parish and the > way of life of the inhabitants from the time records began until about > 1900. What OPCs transcribe is up to them, but many start with the parish > records (PR) and all the census. OPCs fully support the other > initiatives to provide free information, especially the FreeCens, > FreeBMD and FreeReg and will exchange data. But after PRs and census > there are land tax records, wills and probates, street directories, > parish and church histories, churchwardens' accounts, overseers' > accounts, poll books, militia lists, protestation returns, hearth tax, > etc. All of these records, which are often overlooked by family > historians, help to provide a wealth of material about the life of a > parish through the centuries. It could be said that the OPC project > crosses the fine line between family history and social and local > history, but then most researchers want more than just a pedigree. > > Although the Dorset scheme only started on 1st April there is already > a large amount of data on the website. However not all OPCs have > submitted data for the site, some have a link to data on their own > sites, others you can contact by e-mail from the website to ask for > their assistance. We already have OPCs working on one-quarter of Dorset > parishes and more volunteers are always needed. You do not have to live > in Dorset. Many of the volunteers live thousands of miles away, although > ideally you need to be within reasonable reach of an LDS centre [Family > History Center]. I am sure extra volunteers would also be welcome for > Cornwall and Devon. > > Although OPCs vary enormously with the amount of time they can give to > the project, all find it very rewarding. You can learn a great deal > about the parish in which your ancestors lived and might even put a few > "twiglets" on your tree, or find a missing link -- and you will be > helping to make these national records freely available to all. > > If you want to find out more about the information available or about > becoming an OPC, visit these websites: > Cornwall OPCs: http://west-penwith.org.uk/opclista.htm > Devon OPCs: http://www.cs.ncl.ac.uk/genuki/DEV/OPCproject.html > > * * * > > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > ROOTSWEB MAILING LIST HELP PAGES > What is a Mailing List? > http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/help/mail1.html > > > ______________________________________________________________ > This message has been scanned by the Datanet VirusScreen Service, > powered by BT Ignite and Messagelabs. For more information please > visit http://www.VirusScreen.co.uk. > ______________________________________________________________ This message has been scanned by the Datanet VirusScreen Service, powered by BT Ignite and Messagelabs. For more information please visit http://www.VirusScreen.co.uk.

Listers, Just in case anyone needs me, please note that I will be away on vacation for the next week (in Barbados no less!), with little to no access to a computer. I will return on June 2. Regards, Dean

Hi Listers, Here's a link to all of Dobson's works and his email. http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/dobson.genealogy/ There is "Scots in the West Indies, 1707-1857." Dobson as you will see has numerous books on Scots Emigrants to America even by County and Occupation. There is another one by Barbara Hanbury called: "An Index of Scots Immigrants from Galloway who died in England or the West Indies. (Scottish Genealogical Society, 1998) Both Booklets are A-Z Listing of names with other genealogical data. I must say that I could not find any Scots for Demerara or any part of British Guiana, in Dobson's book, but I did find several in Hanbury's, just from Galloway. I suspect that maybe Dobson did not consider B.G as part of the West Indies. You should not be daunted by the number of Books on Dobsons list. These are really Booklets. For any-one who thinks that their ancestors might have gone from Scotland to America, or from there to the West Indies, but do not know from where, these are the ones to check if you have a library that carries most or all of them. And since there were lots of Scots in the British Army, and if you think your ancestor might have been in the British Army, from 1772-1899, you can look in, Norman Crowther - British Army Pensioners Abroad,(1995), Genealogical Publishing Co. If you want to understand how some of the Scots ended up in America and the West Indies after 1740, and enjoy social historical reading, here are two books that you will enjoy. Both are by John Prebble: (1) The Highland Clearances and (2) Culloden. Cheers! Richard

Cher Aline, Avez-vous une question? Richard ----- Original Message ----- From: "aline" <s.charles@ool.fr> To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 1:22 PM Subject: je peux faire des recheches Guadeloupe > J'habite en guadeloupe et je peux faire quelque recherche mais je ne > parle pas anglais,ni ecris. > Amicalement aline charles Guadeloupe > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > ROOTSWEB MAILING LIST HELP PAGES > What is a Mailing List? > http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/help/mail1.html > >

Dean is quite correct in his observations of the English who may not have wanted to get their hands dirty compared to the Scots on his ancestor's plantation. He was also correct in saying that we should be careful not to generalise. With this in mind we should remember that the attitude to labour or getting one's hands dirty was based on Class not Nationality/Etnicity, both on what class one belonged to, or, aspired to belong to. We should remember the hundreds and thousands upon thousands of English labourers who went to the Colonies in the early and later years; the millions left back in England; all of whom tilled the fields, dug the ditches and canals, worked in the mines, on ships and in the Army and Navy. We should remember also the millions of people driven off the fields, or out of their cottages, with the Enclosure Acts, and into the factories of the developing Industrial revolution. It was a time when it was said that "sheep ate men," as the land was used to pasture sheep. As a result people were deprived of accustomed means of subsistence, out of work, and starved and ended up in the Parish work-houses; or were jailed for vagrancy and transported to the colonies as bonded labour for petty theft, as they tried to feed themselves and family. All the while from feudal to Victorian times, thousands laboured away in "service" in the houses and on Estates of the Gentry and Aristocracy. We should also not forget the Gentry and Aristocratic family members who were "transported" because of their Catholicism, or suspicions of wanting to restore it to England. They were made bonded servants and slaves in the colonies. We should also not forget the brutalisation of the English sailor and soldier. We all may know of the whipping that was meted out to them, there is a case one soldier being given 4,000 lashes in one year and lived. There was also the press-ganging of people to work on the ships, kidnapped like slaves and worked like slaves. Again there is the English in the army engineering companies that built fortifications, bridges, pontoons etc. and marched about in the American swamps chasing after the American "rebels." We should not forget the executions, the hangings, the breaking on the rack, the drawing and quartering of rebels and mutineers in the army, navy, or in the many rebellions in England. We should also remember that the enslavement to wage labour in England went side by side with the institution of slavery in the colonies. While the Africans were being brutalised in the fields and factories of the sugar plantations, the English labourer was being brutalised in the factories and mines and rolling mills. Entire families of men women and small children would also be forced to work in atrocious conditions and prolonged hours of work. Children would have their limbs amputed because of accidents with the machines. There is one story of a little girl with long hair, whose job was to clear the lint being built up between the rapidly spinning rollers. She got her hair caught, pulled in, and she was wrapped around the rollers, almost as thinned-out like the cloth the factory was making. It was also side by side with the amelioration of slavery (from 1823 and after) that the amelioration of working conditions came about in England. This led to the limiting the hours of work and the work week; limiting work to cerrtain age groups; the right to form Unions etc, but not before workers were shot in the streets for "rioting". Workers continued to live in cramped and poorly ventilated "housing". Lots of money being made by slum lords, from the over-crowding. The land-lords who even disputed their tenants ownership of their "night-soil", which the land-lords allowed to accumulate near the houses for sale to farmers as fertiliser. In this period also there was some improvement of the environmental conditions that caused cholera epidemics, (the water supply was separated from contamination from sewage). Remedies in relation to water supply, and sanitation was made in the reign of William IV, (1830-1837). Education also expanded putting children into public schools et! c. Housing was looked at and better ones developed later. Meanwhile, women continued to be legal chattels of their husbands and fathers. There is even one story from as late as the 1840's of a farmer hanging a sign with "For sale sign - 10 shillings" around the neck of his wife. Some-one actually took him up on the offer! Meanwhile all the dirty work like the ones mentioned above still had to get done, and other really dirty work, like clearing "night-soil" and chimney-sweeping. So we should always remember when we think or speak or write of ethnicity or nationality to think in terms of Class.

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Dear Richard, Jim, Peter and Edward.....you have given me a WEALTH of information.....especially the following: > The whole business of doctoring was very messy at that time........ > ............. I fear the BWI up till then (1861) were not on the > cutting edge of medical practice. > Edward Ouch! Seriously though, thank you very, very much! Your suggestions led me in a roundabout way to the following, which contains an amazing number of links for genealogists researching doctors in their families: > http://user.itl.net/~glen/doctors.html Hope this is of interest. I also found the following somewhat interesting: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/MEDICAL-PEDIGREE/2002-03/1015598197 > http://www.paul_smith.doctors.org.uk/ArchaicMedicalTerms.htm Good wishes, Joan ______________________________

Hi Listers, This will certainly free many of us from the reliance on Censuses, Church Parish Records, County Record Offices, Wills and Administrations, and the absences of evidence in them that produce so many road-blocks and dead-ends in UK research. This is part of the FREE project done by volunteers, and for which only the English Counties of Devon and Cornwall have some Parishes completed. These clerks are not employed by the Parish or County, and will do free look-ups. Volunteers can offer their transcribing time from thousands of miles away. You might want to contact FHS's in the Counties of your interest to see if they have OPC's what they have done so far. Cheers!!!! Richard Allicock Toronto, Canada From Rootsweb Review, Vol.6, no. 21, May 21, 2003. 1b. English Lessons: What's an OPC? By Lynda Mudle-Small Coordinator Dorset OPC Project: http://www.dorset-opc.com/ An Online Parish Clerk (OPC) is a relatively new initiative originating in Cornwall more than two years ago from discussion on the RootsWeb Mailing List. Like any good idea it spread to Devon and has now been launched in Dorset. Whilst each county scheme has its differences, the general principle of providing free information about a parish, its people and history, to assist family historians, is common to all. So, what do OPCs do? Well, they will first of all select a parish (several do more than one) in which they have an interest and will then gather and transcribe as much information as they can about that parish in order to eventually have an overall picture of that parish and the way of life of the inhabitants from the time records began until about 1900. What OPCs transcribe is up to them, but many start with the parish records (PR) and all the census. OPCs fully support the other initiatives to provide free information, especially the FreeCens, FreeBMD and FreeReg and will exchange data. But after PRs and census there are land tax records, wills and probates, street directories, parish and church histories, churchwardens' accounts, overseers' accounts, poll books, militia lists, protestation returns, hearth tax, etc. All of these records, which are often overlooked by family historians, help to provide a wealth of material about the life of a parish through the centuries. It could be said that the OPC project crosses the fine line between family history and social and local history, but then most researchers want more than just a pedigree. Although the Dorset scheme only started on 1st April there is already a large amount of data on the website. However not all OPCs have submitted data for the site, some have a link to data on their own sites, others you can contact by e-mail from the website to ask for their assistance. We already have OPCs working on one-quarter of Dorset parishes and more volunteers are always needed. You do not have to live in Dorset. Many of the volunteers live thousands of miles away, although ideally you need to be within reasonable reach of an LDS centre [Family History Center]. I am sure extra volunteers would also be welcome for Cornwall and Devon. Although OPCs vary enormously with the amount of time they can give to the project, all find it very rewarding. You can learn a great deal about the parish in which your ancestors lived and might even put a few "twiglets" on your tree, or find a missing link -- and you will be helping to make these national records freely available to all. If you want to find out more about the information available or about becoming an OPC, visit these websites: Cornwall OPCs: http://west-penwith.org.uk/opclista.htm Devon OPCs: http://www.cs.ncl.ac.uk/genuki/DEV/OPCproject.html * * *

Brown is also very commonly Irish, although the name is of English origin. Whether "British" includes Irish depends on when (technically not prior to the Union in about 1800), who (Protestant or Catholic) and who'se talking. It does however also include the Welsh.