Nevilla -- I have found a Fitzdonald Hunt sailing on the Hubert from Barbados arriving in New York August 14, 1895. The manifest was filled out in manuscript (the same hand for all names which might explain HUNT rather than HUNTE). His age was reported as 22 years and 4 mos. That appears off by two years; still I feel that it is likely to be the same person. The information is given as: 0019. Hunt, Fitzdonald M 22y 4m U Barbados His destination was listed as Philadelphia. I am sending the original manifest to you by email Tim On Wed, 4 Jun 2003 02:28:25 +0000 (UTC), clasebon@erols.com ("Nevilla E. Ottley") wrote: >Dear List, > >Nevilla Ottley here. A recent acquaintance asked me about his Hunt(e) >line, and I don't have the answers, even though I am a Hunt. I have >directed him to join the list, but in the meantime, does anyone have an >answer for him. He says: > >I contacted the Barbados musuem regarding my great-grandfather months >ago but they have yet to respond. I was wondering if you might be able >to help me. My great-grandfather was Fitzdonald Isley Sinclair Hunte >and was born in Barbados in 1871. He married after arriving in >Philadephia. His parents were Thomas Nathaniel Hunte and Elizabeth >Harris. Thomas had been in jail so family tales are scarce. Fitzdonald >had a brother named Arthur and two sisters named Lilian and >Ethel. Would you have any information on this family? I am willing to >pay for services. Thank you for your consideration. > > >Sincerely, > > > >Charles Assadourian

Hi Omar, I think you have to decide the issue based on how many relations you are looking for. Did they stay in one place or are they spread out? How many churches' records will you have to look at? What's the time-frame. Decide also based on How far away from Bethlehem are you? What is going to be the cost of going there and staying there for a day, two days etc., or going back many times on one-day trips? If the records are few in number and in one or several Churches' or very many and spread out, then I think that you should consult with the archivists on the costs of doing the research for you, especially if you do not know, or cannot read the archaic German script. If you still want to go then the best thing to do before going is to get a sample page of an old Moravian Bible, or a Book written in the 1700's or 1800's and a dictionary from the same periods, and acquaint yourself with German terms that will be used in the records. Words like Baptism, Birth, Marriage, (Church) members, and place names in St. Croix, that might be Germanised. There is also sure to be a Book that deals with researching such records for the non-German reader that might have all this in one place. Sample pages of transcripts of such records and translations of the terms used etc. But do the math in terms of going, compared to the cost that you can negotiate with the archives and then decide. I hope this helps. Richard. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gotulff" <gotulff@aol.com> To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2003 10:26 PM Subject: Moravian Records in West Indies continue > Hello: > > I am reasearching my Gutloff lineage on St.Croix who were moravians in 1841. > I was thinking about going to Philadelphia to search for records. would that me > a smart move. Does anyone have any info on how solve this riddle in my reaserch > thank you > > > omar > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > all messages posted to CARIBBEAN-L are archived at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Before posting a query, see if the question has already been asked > >

Hi Leonora, Sorry to get back to you only now. I think the answer to your question as to the spread of the relations may have to do with the fact that the 1840's to 1850's were years of economic crisis for Caribbean sugar. This means that many plantations went bankrupt and were sold off very cheaply. Those who were not in sugar, and in crops that did not require as much labour fared better in terms of their survival. They may have fared so much better that they were able to buy up the land of defunct plantations very cheaply in various parts of the Island.. I hope that this helps. Richard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenora Anderson" <ldanderson@sbcglobal.net> To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 5:34 PM Subject: Re: Nutmeg History Grenada/ > Dear Richard.. I didnt mean that they settled in one place and stayed > there.. but I was surprised when I found how many plantations they were in > in a comparitively short period of time.. thus also wondering if the family > had proerty there evn earlier than I now can track. I wondered if it was > also inherited > Thanks again.. Lenora > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Allicock" <richwyn@idirect.com> > To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 2:47 PM > Subject: Re: Nutmeg History Grenada/ > > > > Hi Leonora, > > > > You should not expect people to settle in one place and stay there > > generation after generation. On a very large territory that is quite > > possible, for people to settle in one place and stay within the general > > area. But such is the nature of economic opportunities and family > > relationships that people will move. In the case of a small Island like > > Grenada people will spread out sooner rather than later. > > > > The push comes from inheritance practices, mainly from Primogeniture or > the > > passing down of property to the first born son or next in line. The other > > children had to get their own land if they wanted to own a plantation or a > > farm to make a living. There might be land becoming available nearby due > to > > sale, but more likely not, and those desiring land would have to go where > it > > was available. > > > > By 1843, there would have been a patch-work: of land still in use, land > for > > sale; land abandoned by the owners and up for sale by the authorities. So > > people went where the land was, and this would go on generation after > > generation with the spread you have encountered in relation to your own > > family research. > > > > I hope this helps. > > > > Richard > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Lenora Anderson" <ldanderson@sbcglobal.net> > > To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 4:51 PM > > Subject: Re: Nutmeg History Grenada > > > > > > > Thank you Richard.. I visited all these site Interestingly enough IF > > > Nutmeg started in 1843.. that is the exact year that the grandparents > > > started plantations.. One thing that interest me after seeing all these > > > maps... is how our grandparents were at one time all over Grenada in > > > different areas. You assume that they arrive there and mostly live in > the > > > general area. I find mine from St. John's to St David's.. mention in > LDS > > > paper Carriacou, and Hillsbourough , and Gouyave,on several birth > > > certificates of children.. Was this common?? Or did I have a larger > family > > > than I now know??? Very interesting. Lenora > > > From: "Richard Allicock" <richwyn@idirect.com> > > > To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 7:19 PM > > > Subject: Nutmeg History Grenada > > > > > > > > > > Some-one wrote recently that Nutmeg cultivation was introduced to > > Grenada > > > in 1843. The source below certainly supports that. > > > > > > > > > > > > In 1843, nutmeg is introduced to Grenada from the Dutch East Indies > and > > > soon takes over from sugar as the island's principal export. > > > > > > > > SOURCE: > > > http://www.information.kuoni.co.uk/Common/CountryInfo/Info/GDGND2.html > > > > > > > > > > > > But then other sources say this: > > > > During the 18th century, Grenada's economy underwent an important > > > transition. Like much of the rest of the West Indies it was originally > > > settled to cultivate sugar which was grown on estates using slave labor. > > But > > > natural disasters paved the way for the introduction of other crops. In > > > 1782, Sir Joseph Banks, the botanical adviser to King George III, > > introduced > > > nutmeg to Grenada. The island's soil was ideal for growing the spice and > > > because Grenada was a closer source of spices for Europe than the Dutch > > East > > > Indies the island assumed a new importance to European traders. > > > > > > > > The collapse of the sugar estates and the introduction of nutmeg and > > cocoa > > > encouraged the development of smaller land holdings, and the island > > > developed a land-owning yeoman farmer class. > > > > > > > > SOURCES:: > > > > > > > > http://www.traveldocs.com/gd/history.htm. > > > > > > > > > > > > www.wikipedia.org/wiki/History+of+Grenada > > > > > > > > www.worldrover.com/history/grenada_history.html > > > > > > > > globaledge.msu.edu/ibrd/ CountryHistory.asp?CountryID=126&RegionID=4 > > > > > > > > Can we reconcile the two versions of History? Thanks. > > > > > > > > Richard > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > > > > For information on individual islands, research aids, island bulletin > > > boards or history please visit the CaribbeanGenWeb project at > > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~caribgw/ > > > > > > > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > > > For information on individual islands, research aids, island bulletin > > boards or history please visit the CaribbeanGenWeb project at > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~caribgw/ > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > > all messages posted to CARIBBEAN-L are archived at > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > > Before posting a query, see if the question has already been asked > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > all messages posted to CARIBBEAN-L are archived at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Before posting a query, see if the question has already been asked > >

Solving East Indian roots in Trinidad by Shamshu Deen Freeport Junction, Bahamas: H.E.M. Enterprises. 1994 318p. This is a account of Deen's trying to find his own roots. It should be interesting to Trinidad researchers in the same quest, in terms of records and methodology. East Indians in the Caribbean : a select bibliography prepared on the occasion of the UNESCO-UWI Conference on the East Indians in the Caribbean, September 16-22, 1979 by Lynda Quamina and Kaye Larbi. University of the West Indies Library St. Augustine, Trinidad 1979, 48 p. The work of the Christian churches among the East Indians in Trinidad during the period of indentureship, 1845-1917 by John Harricharan [Port-of-Spain, Trinidad] 1976, 38 p. The East Indian indenture in Trinidad by Judith Ann Weller Caribbean monograph series ; No. 4 Rio Piedras, P. R : Institute of Caribbean Studies, University of Puerto Rico, 1968,172 p : illus., facsims., maps The Canadian Presbyterian Mission to East Indians. Trinidad, B. W. I., 1911. [With illustrations.]Port of Spain 60 p. Note on emigration from India to Trinidad by D.W Comins, Calcutta : G.P.1893,177 p Includes Census of East Indian population of Trinidad. 1891

Dear List, Nevilla Ottley here. A recent acquaintance asked me about his Hunt(e) line, and I don't have the answers, even though I am a Hunt. I have directed him to join the list, but in the meantime, does anyone have an answer for him. He says: I contacted the Barbados musuem regarding my great-grandfather months ago but they have yet to respond. I was wondering if you might be able to help me. My great-grandfather was Fitzdonald Isley Sinclair Hunte and was born in Barbados in 1871. He married after arriving in Philadephia. His parents were Thomas Nathaniel Hunte and Elizabeth Harris. Thomas had been in jail so family tales are scarce. Fitzdonald had a brother named Arthur and two sisters named Lilian and Ethel. Would you have any information on this family? I am willing to pay for services. Thank you for your consideration. Sincerely, Charles Assadourian

For those who are researching the above subject, here's more reading material, mostly History and in this instance for Trinidad. Hopefully we can keep the thread going until we complete the whole Caribbean. So those who have been asking questions or advertising a website or a documentary please contribute and help to complete the thread. What we are doing here is more than just asking questions or seeking information personal to us. Since all the messages are archived, we are doing nothing less than laying a foundation for all the peoples who came to the Caribbean, and those who will come after us to research their Genealogy. Historical sources are most important to establish Time-Lines or Chronologies which are important in the Genealogical quest. Such material is also useful for information on further sources and their depositories, i.e, where they are located, especially for primary documents like Indentureship contracts, exit or return information, ships coming and going, and particular plantations that particular groups went to etc. So please help to keep the thread going to completion, even if it is not your area of specialty, but have come across relevant material. Richard

It is unlikely that there will be comprehensive lists of refugees fleeing to the Caribbean. Though there are some lists - those who were evacuated by Royal Naval ships are likely to be listed in the ship's musters at The National Archives (Public Record Office) (TNA), though you will need to know the name of each ship - there will be a way of finding this out. An unusual and neglected source is the 'Book of Negroes' - a list of Black refugees compiled by the military authorities during the evacuation of New York in 1783. Many were free loyalists but most were leaving with their owners (including German regiments). The information includes: name, age, place of origin, status (slave or free), former owner, claimant, inspection date, ship of passage, ships master, destination, current possessor, and possessor's regiment or ship. Most were going to Nova Scotia and Quebec but some were going to: Abaco - Bahamas Cat Island - Bahamas Germany (with German regiments) England, and Ostend. I though that there were some going to Jamaica but I couldn't see any in the old (incomplete) list held by TNA. The 'Book of Negroes' is held by TNA under the reference PRO 30/55/100, no 10427 and has been indexed by the Guy Carleton Branch of the United Empire of Loyalists - an imcomplete index is held by The National Archives - it can be ordered on CD-ROM from http://www.magma.ca/~ekipp/kingname.htm - there are other references to the Book on the internet. Best wishes Guy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "CJ" <CaribbeanLegacy@aol.com> > To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 6:53 PM > Subject: American Loyalists in the Caribbean > > > > Does anyone have resources or data concerning American Loyalists coming to > the Caribbean? I am specifically looking for ship names with rosters of the > individuals on the ship and where they embarked and dis-embarked. I'd > appreciate any guidance. > > > > CJ > > > >

There is a Korean War movie based on a true historical incident in which one of the main characters an army officer is a Paiewonsky who was born on St. Thomas. I don't remember the first name or the title.

I notice that the list is dispropotionately Puerto Rican born compared with the demographics of the residents of the territory at the time.

Neil: Thanks for your very interesting message on St Vincent and nutmegs. Victor Hugues is a name well known in Grenada as the French revolutionary leader behind the Fedon rebellion of 1795. He went to Cayenne as governor after leaving Guadeloupe in 1799 where he served until 1809 - he capitulated to the English in that year, so that may be the date mentioned in your piece about St Vincent nutmegs. He went back to France where he was court-martialed for treason in 1814, but was acquitted. He went back to Cayenne in 1817, then died in France around 1826. He was pretty cruel when he carried around his guillotine in Guadeloupe, seeing off hundreds, but seems to have been kinder in Cayenne, perhaps mellowing with age. David

> Neil, i think the list would like to hear more, especially now that we have gone up island by 75 miles. An interesting aspect of this that almost got past me is the nutmeg plants coming from Cayenne courtesy of Governor Victor Hugues. Do you have a date on this exchange as Victor in 1794-5 is planning on repossessing Guadeloupe, Martinique (someone catch me on this island if I'm wrong), SVG and Grenada for the French. He is returning to the Caribbean with guillotine and printing press to start the uprisings in these islands. An interesting book here is Guillotine: It's legend and lore by Daniel Gerould - it has about 5 pages on Victor (anybody with some information on Hugues, I would really like to hear about him - Phillipe, are you out there?). Other than in the Botanic Garden, has anyone seen nutmegs growing on SV? thanks, Neil, Cindy > >> From my copy of ≥An Account of the Botanical Garden in the Island of > Saint Vincent≤ published in 1825≤ - > > ≥Dr. Alexander Anderson, however, had the honour of introducing the > Nutmeg into Saint Vincent, as appears from his two letters inserted in > the 21st and 22nd volumes of the Transactions of the Society of Arts: > both of which, as they show the great zeal which this excellent man > evinced in furthering the objects of the Institution, are here > inserted.≤ > > The letters note that Dr. Anderson obtained two Myristica officinalis > (true Nutmeg) plants from Cayenne (courtesy of the Governor Victor > Hugues) immediately following the ≥cessation of hostilities≤ and > transferred them along with several other ≥useful plants≤ via Trinidad > to ≥his Majestyπs Botanical Garden in the Island of Saint Vincent, from > 24 December 1801 to 24 June 1802.≤ By 1809 ≥considerable nurseries of > nutmegs are established both here (Saint Vincent) and in Trinidad.≤ > > The nutmeg plants were obviously well established in Cayenne, if they > were prepared to give away two healthy plants. > > There is another note that during the same period Mimosa Catechu (Terra > Japonica) were established in the Garden courtesy Sir J. Banks, which > appears to confirm that Joseph Banks was instrumental in arranging for > various exotic plants to be sent to the islands but not necessarily to > all of them. > > I have more info available if anybody is interested, but wonπt clutter > up the newsgroup. > > Neil > >

From my copy of ³An Account of the Botanical Garden in the Island of Saint Vincent² published in 1825² - ³Dr. Alexander Anderson, however, had the honour of introducing the Nutmeg into Saint Vincent, as appears from his two letters inserted in the 21st and 22nd volumes of the Transactions of the Society of Arts: both of which, as they show the great zeal which this excellent man evinced in furthering the objects of the Institution, are here inserted.² The letters note that Dr. Anderson obtained two Myristica officinalis (true Nutmeg) plants from Cayenne (courtesy of the Governor Victor Hugues) immediately following the ³cessation of hostilities² and transferred them along with several other ³useful plants² via Trinidad to ³his Majesty¹s Botanical Garden in the Island of Saint Vincent, from 24 December 1801 to 24 June 1802.² By 1809 ³considerable nurseries of nutmegs are established both here (Saint Vincent) and in Trinidad.² The nutmeg plants were obviously well established in Cayenne, if they were prepared to give away two healthy plants. There is another note that during the same period Mimosa Catechu (Terra Japonica) were established in the Garden courtesy Sir J. Banks, which appears to confirm that Joseph Banks was instrumental in arranging for various exotic plants to be sent to the islands but not necessarily to all of them. I have more info available if anybody is interested, but won¹t clutter up the newsgroup. Neil

I am trying gain information about the Bajan side of my family. I know of two members; Percival Weekes worked on a boat owned by the Harrison Shipping Lines, during the 1940s. He was given an award by the Queen in the 50s. We have lost track of him beyond that point. I do not know where to start this search. His sister migrated to Jamaica as a child or teen. Her name was Virginia Moore. Any help would be greatlty appreciated.

Hi Ernest, Thanks for this reference to Gibson's work, and for keeping the thread going. I looked in Mitchell's West Indian Bibliography on-line and could not locate the reference. So maybe you should write to Don Mitchell and point out that the reference is not in the Bibliography. His email address is on the page. It should be current as he has to keep adding material all the time. Best regards, Richard http://www.google.ca/search?q=cache:7MvpLcJX6B0J:www.books.ai/+Mitchell%27s& hl=en&ie=UTF-8 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ernest M. Wiltshire" <murcot@synapse.net> To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 8:33 AM Subject: East Indian Immigration to Jamaica > > I stumbled across this last week, which may be of interest. I have no > idea if the book is still in print. > *********************************** > > Who Was Who 1897-1916: ALEXANDER, Arthur Harvey, b. 25 Feb 1843, > Grenada, W.I. e. s. of Charles Alexander of Montreuil, Grenada, & > Margaret Drysdale, y. d. of Andrew Douglas of Jodburgh N.B. m. 1867 > Isabella, e. d. of Rev. James Gibson, D.D. of Avoch, Rosshire N.B. Died > 29 Dec 1905. > Author of "History of East Indian Immigration to Jamaica". > > Ernest M. Wiltshire > Friends of the Barbados Archives > 38 Inglewood Place, Ottawa, Ontario > Canada K1Y 4C7 > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > ROOTSWEB MAILING LIST HELP PAGES > What is a Mailing List? > http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/help/mail1.html > >

" Beth Brown-Outten" wrote: >please unsubscribe me from this mailing list. Unsubscribing from the mailing-list: Send mail with the single word unsubscribe in the message subject and body to CARIBBEAN-L-request@rootsweb.com for the list mode (or CARIBBEAN-D-request@rootsweb.com for the digest.)

Be gracious, friends- these boards are maintained by volunteers. If a particular board isn't up to date, it's likely that *no one w/ an interest in that board has both the time & expertise to "get...on that." Regards, Dick in Princeton, NJ ---------------- Monifa wrote: > > Let's get someone on that! It's hard enough to find the information and even > more annoying to think you've found a lead and encounter a dead link/dead > info. > > Monie > ps: If I had the expertise/time I'd volunteer. Alas, I have neither. > > ""Diane I."" <dti@nyc.rr.com> wrote in message > > Will the page at http://www.rootsweb.com/~usvi/ ever be updated and have > > all its broken links fixed? It's been like this for a few years now - > > looks like the last update was in Feb. of 2000. Every now and again, I > > check to see if there might be anything there I could use, but am always > > disheartened to still find all those broken links and nothing new added. > > Is there no one to maintain it? Three links to the island message > > boards are pointing to ancient urls, and out of 18 links on the lower > > right side, half are dead. It's a shame, because that page could be an > > excellent resource. New researchers will become frustrated quickly. > >

Here is a link to the casualties/dead from the Virgin Islands, I'll' look for other information. http://www.archives.gov/research_room/research_topics/korean_war_casualty_lists/vi_by_town.html if it does not work, let me know, I'll get a better one. Ann "Sharing the information." _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail

Omar, If it is convenient to you, I, for selfish reasons, would recommend it:) The reason I say convenient is, once you get into those records, you will need to make several trips, it will not be done in one visit. From what I have gathered, you will be seeing original documents, that you will not be able to photocopy, but must make handwritten notes from. I suggest a call to the library, and set up a time and contact for the records, journals and books you want to see, Do you need the address and phone number? Also keep in mind it will be written in German. Ann "Sharing the information." _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus

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Hello: I am reasearching my Gutloff lineage on St.Croix who were moravians in 1841. I was thinking about going to Philadelphia to search for records. would that me a smart move. Does anyone have any info on how solve this riddle in my reaserch thank you omar