Hi Dean I had meant to write directly to you tonight but you beat me to it. Thanks for the welcome If you wish would be pleased to resume former role as co admin for the list if this does not displace anyone Otherwise will help as time permits in other ways I have yet to reassemble my reference library and papers here so am somewhat limited but as focus on the subject nudges memory should be able to get back to speed Hope all is well with you and yours Chriscod C.M. Codrington("american version # 1952) Editor: Carib GenWeb "Historic Antigua and Barbuda" web-site Co-Administrator: Carribean-L@rootsweb.com Member: Barbados Museum Historical Society, Museum of Antigua and Barbuda Historical and Archaeological Society. -----Original Message----- From: Dean de Freitas [mailto:caribgw@bellsouth.net] Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 8:44 PM To: CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: Helloooooooooo out there! Welcome back Chris! On Friday, June 2, 2000, at 10:59 AM, christopher codrington wrote: > Hi listers > > After great travail (still ongoing) I now have a new internet > connection and > e-mail address and hope to hear from each of my much missed > correspondents > and associates from Carib-L > > Special thanks to all of you who have written me letters.....a few > really > touched me and I had a moment of "I did that??????) in a very special > way....thanks > > Hey James! Hey WhaleWoman! Hi Dorothy Hi .....(senior moment dominant!) > > How are each and all? > > How goes the list? > > It will take time to come up to speed, but hope you all will indulge > me in > some catching up > > Kind regards to all > > ChrisCod > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== all messages posted to CARIBBEAN-L are archived at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ Before posting a query, see if the question has already been asked --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.373 / Virus Database: 208 - Release Date: 7/1/02 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.373 / Virus Database: 208 - Release Date: 7/1/02

Cindy: You are making me feel guilty. I've had the photocopy you sent me sitting in my "in tray” for ages. I found it difficult to translate. My modus operandi was to make a half assed attempt and send it to Ernest for polishing (Ernest is a professional.) That’s what we did with the original stuff on Hugues from Philippe’s site. By the way, I sent Philippe him our English translation of that this morning. I think I should just send it to Ernest and ask him to handle it. If you read this Ernest, would that be OK? There was a web site with Hugues info called, I think, famousamericans.com. I got my dates from the web. There are quite a number of sites of Hugues. He was called the Robespiere of Guadeloupe because he dragged his execution device from village to town, cutting peoples’ heads off. Have fun in Grenada. I wish I was going. My “names,” by the way, are actually FERGUSON, GLEAN, ALEXANDER, DE GALE, COPLAND and on and on - virtually anybody who ever lived on the island. David

Does anyone know in what parish Superlative estate is (was) situated? It is not in my 1912 list, so it may have vanished by that time. I suspect it was in St. George, but if anyone knows for sure please let me know. Thank you!! Ernest

I'm looking for information about my ggggrandfather, Peter Richards, born in St. Thomas, VI in about 1787 (date based on the age listed on his death record.) He was a sail maker and emigrated to Boston, Massachusetts some time before 1811. Any information would be apprectiated. Thanks.

De Gale.. did ou know some deGale in Grenada married into the deFreitas family... they were only allied family down the line from mine.. but they were in Grenada in 1850 or so on till 1900's I think..... ps.. Lots of the deGale family moved over the Canadian border after they immigrated. ( to USA).use to converse with one there but he had moved.. you might try their Directory..... ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Watson" <family.watson@utoronto.ca> To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 5:23 PM Subject: Victor Hugues > Cindy: > > You are making me feel guilty. I've had the photocopy you sent me sitting in > my "in tray" for ages. I found it difficult to translate. My modus operandi > was to make a half assed attempt and send it to Ernest for polishing (Ernest > is a professional.) That's what we did with the original stuff on Hugues > from Philippe's site. By the way, I sent Philippe him our English > translation of that this morning. I think I should just send it to Ernest > and ask him to handle it. If you read this Ernest, would that be OK? > > There was a web site with Hugues info called, I think, famousamericans.com. > I got my dates from the web. There are quite a number of sites of Hugues. He > was called the Robespiere of Guadeloupe because he dragged his execution > device from village to town, cutting peoples' heads off. > > Have fun in Grenada. I wish I was going. My "names," by the way, are > actually FERGUSON, GLEAN, ALEXANDER, DE GALE, COPLAND and on and on - > virtually anybody who ever lived on the island. > > David > > > > > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > all messages posted to CARIBBEAN-L are archived at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Before posting a query, see if the question has already been asked

My grandmother Beatrace Cottle, whose maiden name was Hunt, married my Grandfather James Cottle on August 6th, 1891, at St. Mary`s Church in St Andrews Parish, Pembroke, in St. Vincent. She died in child`s birth in 1910, leaving four children - Esmie, Frederic, Mabel and Alice. Also seeking infomation on Rashel Ann Cottle, born in 1869 in the Leeward District, and Keturah R. Cottle. born in 1873 in Kingstown. Both ladies are believed to have moved to Trinidad.

> Hi David, Thank you for adding these dates on Hugues for me. By any chance, did I send you some French letters (copies) of Hugues? If so ,did you ever find someone to translate? Do you have any references for Hugues information - I would like to find out more about him. Wasn't he a henchman for Robespierre? (I'm trying to lure Philippe into this). Anything else you can add, I'm all ears. Heading to Grenada tomorrow so will carry some of your names I've known for eons in my pocket (Bells & Browns & Ollivierres & Hazells). best wishes, Cindy > > Neil: > > Thanks for your very interesting message on St Vincent and nutmegs. > > Victor Hugues is a name well known in Grenada as the French > revolutionary > leader behind the Fedon rebellion of 1795. > > He went to Cayenne as governor after leaving Guadeloupe in 1799 where > he > served until 1809 - he capitulated to the English in that year, so > that may > be the date mentioned in your piece about St Vincent nutmegs. He went > back > to France where he was court-martialed for treason in 1814, but was > acquitted. He went back to Cayenne in 1817, then died in France around > 1826. > > He was pretty cruel when he carried around his guillotine in > Guadeloupe, > seeing off hundreds, but seems to have been kinder in Cayenne, perhaps > mellowing with age. > > David

> Thanks Neil, A note of interest here is Anderson sailing to Guiana in search of plants in 1791 - one of these curators was captured by a French privateer on his way to the Caribbean - I wonder if this was Anderson as the dates sure are turbulent times in those islands. Valentine Morris got along well with the French but by this date he's doing time in the King's Bench. Hmmm...just seems like this is a weird time to be seeking out plants in hostile times... of course, the worst was yet to come by a few years. Very interesting. Fascinating times. > > > "In 1791 Mr Anderson sailed to Guiana in search of valuable plants, > where his zeal was amply rewarded". He now received a degree of M.D. > from a scotish university and was elected Fellow of the Royal Society > of > Edinburgh. The Society of Arts presented him with their silver medal, > elected him a corresponding member in 1798. > > "Mr William Lochead, who succeeded Dr Anderson in July 1811, introduced > several Nutmegs from Cayenne and other plants which he had nursed in > Trinidad. These were transported by Captain Dix of his Majesty's sloop > Cygnet in 1809." (However as I noted in my first posting Dr Anderson is > credited with introducing Nutmegs to Saint Vincent.) > > In a letter dated Nov.18 1803 Dr Anderson stated "The two nutmegs are > thriving luxuriantly: my sincere wish is, that they may be male and > female. I think it rather strange, that plants of them, as well as > other > useful productions of the East, have not been before now sent to these > colonies. Except the two nutmegs here, I believe there is not another > individual in any of the British Islands on this side of the Atlantic. > To the French we are indebted for all the most valuable of the East > India plants we at present possess." > > > My father in law, John (Jackie) Manning Cave, from Barbados, was either > Deputy Superintendent or Superintendent of the Garden in 1950 to 1956. Cool. > He and his family (including his daughter Elizabeth, my wife) lived in > the old house in the garden. There was a tree, (the Spakea Perforata - > but don't trust my spelling) found on the slopes of Soufriere that had > been transplanted to the garden. It was reputed to be the only one ever > found. They were looking for another to propogate it with. > Does anyone know the outcome of that? > I believe the Soufriere Tree you speak of is the only one still in existence. I'll be there sometime next week - will try to get an honest answer for you. Thank you again for this post. best wishes, Cindy > Neil

Nevilla -- Cheryl Hazell pointed out to me the Ellis Island site when we were helping each other with her Ollivierres from Bequia and my Wilsons from Carriacou. The site requires registration but no fee; it is www.ellisisland.org. I have used it almost every day since Cheryl brought it to my attention. I always read the complete (original manifest) which is normally 2 pages. I check the enitire manifest to see who the passenger that I have found may have been traveling with. I also keep note of the destination addresses. I get the impression that certain addresses were like stops on the underground railroad: W. 99th Street in New York; Perth Amboy, NJ; certain streets in Philadelphia; small towns like Attleboro, Massachusetts. If you have relatives that came to the US between 1892 and 1924, you will find this very interesting. Note, I originally wrote the web site as "dot COM"; it is definitely "dot ORG". There is another site at ellisisland.com that is interesting but will not give you the paggenger lists and information. On Thu, 5 Jun 2003 05:50:10 +0000 (UTC), clasebon@erols.com ("Nevilla E. Ottley") wrote: >WOW!!!!! Thanks, Tim for this information and the following copy of the >manifest. I will send it off immediately, and I am sure they will be >pleased. > >Nevilla > > > > >Tim Anderson wrote: > >>Nevilla -- >>I have found a Fitzdonald Hunt sailing on the Hubert from Barbados >>arriving in New York August 14, 1895. The manifest was filled out in >>manuscript (the same hand for all names which might explain HUNT >>rather than HUNTE). His age was reported as 22 years and 4 mos. That >>appears off by two years; still I feel that it is likely to be the >>same person. The information is given as: >> 0019. Hunt, Fitzdonald M 22y 4m U Barbados >>His destination was listed as Philadelphia. I am sending the original >>manifest to you by email >>Tim >> >> >>On Wed, 4 Jun 2003 02:28:25 +0000 (UTC), clasebon@erols.com ("Nevilla >>E. Ottley") wrote: >> >>>Dear List, >>> >>>Nevilla Ottley here. A recent acquaintance asked me about his Hunt(e) >>>line, and I don't have the answers, even though I am a Hunt. I have >>>directed him to join the list, but in the meantime, does anyone have an >>>answer for him. He says: >>> >>>I contacted the Barbados musuem regarding my great-grandfather months >>>ago but they have yet to respond. I was wondering if you might be able >>>to help me. My great-grandfather was Fitzdonald Isley Sinclair Hunte >>>and was born in Barbados in 1871. He married after arriving in >>>Philadephia. His parents were Thomas Nathaniel Hunte and Elizabeth >>>Harris. Thomas had been in jail so family tales are scarce. Fitzdonald >>>had a brother named Arthur and two sisters named Lilian and >>>Ethel. Would you have any information on this family? I am willing to >>>pay for services. Thank you for your consideration. >>> >>> >>>Sincerely, >>> >>> >>> >>>Charles Assadourian >>> >> >> >>==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== >>all messages posted to CARIBBEAN-L are archived at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ >>Before posting a query, see if the question has already been asked >> >>

To All, I thought I would let you know what resources for the Virgin Islands that I own, and can /will do look-ups. Danish Chancery Records-extracts 1671-1699, 1771-1773 St. Thomas Probate extracts, 1771-1814 St. John Census, 1722. 1841 Beck's Map, ca. 1754, ( St. Croix plantations and original owners) Knox, John P -Book A Historical Account of St. Thomas Westergaard, Phd. Waldermar Danish West Indies Under Company Rule 1671-1754 (I am looking for the suppliment) Rybery, Hugo A list of the names of Inhabitants of the Daish West Indies from 1650 - ca 1825 Williams, Eric From Columbus to Castro, The history of the Caribbean Dookham, Isaac The History of the Virgin Islands of the US Carsters, J.L. St. Thomas in the Early Danish Times Jarvis, Antonio J. The Virgin Islands and their People David Knight, compiler The Documentary history of the Cinnimon Bay Plantation, 1718-1917 Horlacher, Gary T. 1688 Census of the Danish West Indies, Portrait of a colony in cricis. I have also copiled several list, (Ann's Pesky list) re the Danish West Indies; Danish Trading Companies, Danish Trading/Slave Ships, w/ dates and Captains That is what I can think of off the top of my head, will add to it. Can others also post, so we can know what is out there and who to contact for inf? Ann "Sharing the information." _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

Bonjour What is the original message about Victor Hugues ? I have missed it because the subject was different. About action of V H and FEDON in Grenada you can read "Grabuge à la Grenade" (in french) at http://www.GHCaraibe.org/bul/ghc018/p0166.html I shall be pleased to have the "english version" of this event Regards Philippe Rossignol Dans l'article <MABBKAIOJGAMIENKJCPLKECNCEAA.family.watson@utoronto.ca>, family.watson@utoronto.ca ("David Watson")a écrit : > >Neil: > >Thanks for your very interesting message on St Vincent and nutmegs. > >Victor Hugues is a name well known in Grenada as the French revolutionary >leader behind the Fedon rebellion of 1795. > >He went to Cayenne as governor after leaving Guadeloupe in 1799 where he >served until 1809 - he capitulated to the English in that year, so that may >be the date mentioned in your piece about St Vincent nutmegs. He went back >to France where he was court-martialed for treason in 1814, but was >acquitted. He went back to Cayenne in 1817, then died in France around 1826. > >He was pretty cruel when he carried around his guillotine in Guadeloupe, >seeing off hundreds, but seems to have been kinder in Cayenne, perhaps >mellowing with age. > >David >

WOW!!!!! Thanks, Tim for this information and the following copy of the manifest. I will send it off immediately, and I am sure they will be pleased. Nevilla Tim Anderson wrote: >Nevilla -- >I have found a Fitzdonald Hunt sailing on the Hubert from Barbados >arriving in New York August 14, 1895. The manifest was filled out in >manuscript (the same hand for all names which might explain HUNT >rather than HUNTE). His age was reported as 22 years and 4 mos. That >appears off by two years; still I feel that it is likely to be the >same person. The information is given as: > 0019. Hunt, Fitzdonald M 22y 4m U Barbados >His destination was listed as Philadelphia. I am sending the original >manifest to you by email >Tim > > >On Wed, 4 Jun 2003 02:28:25 +0000 (UTC), clasebon@erols.com ("Nevilla >E. Ottley") wrote: > >>Dear List, >> >>Nevilla Ottley here. A recent acquaintance asked me about his Hunt(e) >>line, and I don't have the answers, even though I am a Hunt. I have >>directed him to join the list, but in the meantime, does anyone have an >>answer for him. He says: >> >>I contacted the Barbados musuem regarding my great-grandfather months >>ago but they have yet to respond. I was wondering if you might be able >>to help me. My great-grandfather was Fitzdonald Isley Sinclair Hunte >>and was born in Barbados in 1871. He married after arriving in >>Philadephia. His parents were Thomas Nathaniel Hunte and Elizabeth >>Harris. Thomas had been in jail so family tales are scarce. Fitzdonald >>had a brother named Arthur and two sisters named Lilian and >>Ethel. Would you have any information on this family? I am willing to >>pay for services. Thank you for your consideration. >> >> >>Sincerely, >> >> >> >>Charles Assadourian >> > > >==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== >all messages posted to CARIBBEAN-L are archived at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ >Before posting a query, see if the question has already been asked > >

Does anyone know the genealogy of Victor Hughues/Hughes? My family, thru tradition, claims to be from the Caribbean area, but so far I have not been able to make a connection. My earliest ancestor is Elias Hughs/Hughes of Southwest Virginia about the year 1750. Thanks for any help. Joy Hughes

IAC INDO GUYANESE HISTORY LESSON 5 COOLIE SHIPS: TYPE AND SIZE APPROXIMATELY 239,000 emigrants from Bharat (India) including a small number of paid passengers or casuals crossed by Kaalaa Paanii in 244 ships which made a total of 534 voyages from India to British Guiana between 1838 and 1917. The Kaalaa Paanii was crossed by 234 sailing ships which made 493 trips, and by 10 steamships which made 41 voyages. In the early years, the ships employed were wooden sailing vessels commonly built of teak. In 1861, however, when James Nourse entered this transportation field, his company began building iron sailing ships. Sandbach Tinne and Company, a rival shipping company, soon followed suit. By the 1880s, wooden sailing ships had been replaced almost entirely by iron sailing ships. Simultaneous with the gradual passing of the wooden sailing ships, the world was turning from sail to steam, and the employment of steamships naturally came up for consideration. Although it was suggested in the 1860s that the use of the steamships to transport emigrants would be cheaper, that mortality rates would be significantly lower and that the duration of voyages would be significantly shorter than if sailing ships were used, only five steamships crossed the Kaalaa Paanii to British Guiana before the 1908-09 shipping season, making a total of seven trips. The size of the ships employed increased as the years passed, since ship owners found the building of larger ships generally more economical. In the mid-19th century, sailing ships generally carried between 300 to 400 emigrants. For example, during the 1858-59 shipping season, the following eight vessels delivered 2720 emigrants: (1) Latona, 693 tons, 317; (2) Marchioness of Londonderry, 766 tons, 372; (3) York, 940 tons, 386; (4) Victor Emanuel, 955 tons, 358, (5) Plantagenet, 806 tons, 334; (6) Aurora, 536 tons, 234; (7) Ellenborough, 1031 tons, 352; and (8) Simla, 1444 tons, 367. By the early 1870s, however, vessels of over 1000 tons and transporting between 400 and 500 were the norm, and this was illustrated by the fact that in the 1872-1873 shipping season, only two ships of 13 that sailed from India were below 1000 tons. These ships, the James Nourse-owned Ganges of 843 tons and the Gainsborough of 973 tons delivered 396 and 373 persons, respectively. The other ships landed between 403 (Trevelyan) and 561 persons (S.S.Enmore). By the mid-1880s, heavier ships were transporting between 500 and 600 Indian emigrants. For example, during the 1883-84 shipping season the following five ships delivered 2731 emigrants: Bann, 1667 tons, 591: Foyle, 1598 tons, 564; British Peer, 1428 tons, 559; Ganges, 1443 tons, 490; and The Bruce, 1145 tons, 527. By the early 1900s, ships were generally between 1400 and 1750 tons and routinely transported between 550 and 650 persons. With the increasing use of steamships after 1908, numbers transported per ship rose significantly to between 750 and 900 persons. For example, during the 1909-1910 shipping season the following three ships delivered 2508 emigrants: SS Sutlej; 2153 tons, 844; SS Ganges, 2151 tons, 847; and SS Indus, 2110 tons, 817. As the years passed, therefore, fewer but larger ships were used to transport similar amounts of emigrants.

Remnants of the great coolie scramble : East Indian immigration to the Windward Islands, with special reference to St. Vincent, 1860-1880 By Arnold Thomas Postgraduate seminar papers / CS/92/2; 1992 [7p] Tables presented to a seminar on 24 November 1992 University of London Institute of Commonwealth Studies; University of London Institute of Latin American Studies

History of East Indian Immigration to Jamaica by Arthur Harvey Alexander. (details not available) Home away from home : 150 years of Indian presence in Jamaica, 1845-1995 by Laxmi & Ajai Mansingh Kingston, Jamaica : I. Randle Publishers 1999,180 p : ill. (some col.) The geographic and social origins of Indian indentured labourers in Mauritius, Natal, Fiji, Guyana and Jamaica Working papers in Economic History no.67 by Lance Brennan; John McDonald; Ralph Schlomowitz Flinders University of South Australia, Adelaide,1995 38p Transients to settlers : the experience of Indians in Jamaica, 1845-1950 by Verene Shepherd University of Warwick Centre for Research in Asian Migration Leeds, Peepal Tree Press,1994 281 p. : ill., maps. The East Indian indentureship system in Jamaica 1845-1917. by Sohal Harinder Singh Waterloo, Ontario, Canada: University of Waterloo 1979 Note on emigration from the East Indies to Jamaica by D.W Comins, Calcutta: G.P. 1893, 48 p

I have two more sites to plug. The Scottish Archives have made some wills available in digital form. I have not purchased any, but they are 5 GBP per will - regardless of length. Amazing. I searched using the advanced search and using keywords of Barbados & Grenada and there were many wills returned, with good descriptions. Quite a few Campbell's in Grenada. http://www.scottishdocuments.com/content/default.asp The other is the site of a volunteer group plugging around Barbados, recording tombstones. They are also recording burials. (The organizer has done similar work on Antigua). As I have the LDS microfilm of 1 parish & was working with it anyway I have volunteered to transcribe burials for them. Should anyone wish to volunteer, you can contact her through the website. http://www.tombstones.bb/index.html Lisa

Good evening All, Just a short note to let everyone know that Chris Cod, according from what he tells me, will have Internet Access sometime within the next week or so. He and I have made amends and he is doing okay. Again, I apologize for the inpropriety of this note, but I just wanted to give those of you who have corresponded with Cod, an update. Take care everyone and while I am not of Caribbean descent, I do enjoy looking over the posts and have learned quite a bit. You all do an excellent job of keeping each other...... "informed", if I may say. Good luck to all and Thank you. Tina Rene'e (ladytinarenee@aol.com)

In article <789407FB-95D2-11D7-ACBE-000393A1EEBC@wcvt.com>, minke@wcvt.com (cindy kilgore) wrote: > Neil, > i think the list would like to hear more, especially now that we have > gone up island by 75 miles. An interesting aspect of this that almost > got past me is the nutmeg plants coming from Cayenne courtesy of > Governor Victor Hugues. Do you have a date on this exchange as Victor > in 1794-5 is planning on repossessing Guadeloupe, Martinique (someone > catch me on this island if I'm wrong), SVG and Grenada for the French. > He is returning to the Caribbean with guillotine and printing press to > start the uprisings in these islands. An interesting book here is > Guillotine: It's legend and lore by Daniel Gerould - it has about 5 > pages on Victor (anybody with some information on Hugues, I would > really like to hear about him - Phillipe, are you out there?). > > Other than in the Botanic Garden, has anyone seen nutmegs growing on SV? > thanks, Neil, > Cindy Cindy, Because of its brevity (It is only 47 pages long) the book leaves a few unanswered questions - particularly with respect to timeline. It's opening paragraph states that the Saint Vincent garden owes its origin to advertisements in the Transactions of the Society of Arts, for 1762 and the following 4 years, offering rewards to anyone who should cultivate a spot in the West Indies in which plants useful in medecine and profitable as articles of commerce might be propogated, and wghere nurseries of the valuable productions of Asia and other distant parts might be formed for the benefit of his Majesty's colonies. It then goes on to state that General Melville who was then "Chief Governor of the ceded islands" while he resided in St Vincent ...resolved to commence the task and in 1765 gave, and cleared at his expense, 20 acres of land about 1/2 mile north of Kingstown. In 1766 another portion of land was added. He continued to support the garden following his return to England. When Melville left the island the garden was first entrusted to Dr. George Young, Surgeon of the Forces, the principal medical officer on the island. In 1774 Dr Young made a report of his progress to the Society and they rewarded him with 50 guineas. In the troubled times which succeeded, the garden was much neglected, but was again restored in 1785, and somewhat increased by Alexander Anderson, Surgeon, who was shortly afterwards appointed its Superintendent. In 1792 it was increased, but again suffered in some degree during "our contest with the French and Caribs". "About 1785, the clove and several varieties of cinnamon were introduced from the French islands, to which they had been brought by their ships from Asia. The clove, shortly after this period was cultivated zealously in Dominique. In Jamaica the cinnamon was planted on a large scale......" "In 1791 Mr Anderson sailed to Guiana in search of valuable plants, where his zeal was amply rewarded". He now received a degree of M.D. from a scotish university and was elected Fellow of the Royal Society of Edinburgh. The Society of Arts presented him with their silver medal, elected him a corresponding member in 1798. "Many valuable seeds from Asia were sent by the Board of Trade. A considerable number were procured from correspondants in North America, almost all of which are now flourishing and dispersed over our colonies." 530 Breadfruit plants were introduced to Saint Vincent from Asia in January 1793 by Captain Bligh and Captain Portlock (This was Bligh's second trip - you know about the 1st). In 1803 an additional 10 acres were added to the garden. "Mr William Lochead, who succeeded Dr Anderson in July 1811, introduced several Nutmegs from Cayenne and other plants which he had nursed in Trinidad. These were transported by Captain Dix of his Majesty's sloop Cygnet in 1809." (However as I noted in my first posting Dr Anderson is credited with introducing Nutmegs to Saint Vincent.) In a letter dated Nov.18 1803 Dr Anderson stated "The two nutmegs are thriving luxuriantly: my sincere wish is, that they may be male and female. I think it rather strange, that plants of them, as well as other useful productions of the East, have not been before now sent to these colonies. Except the two nutmegs here, I believe there is not another individual in any of the British Islands on this side of the Atlantic. To the French we are indebted for all the most valuable of the East India plants we at present possess." The book finishes with a list of nearly 1400 different named species of plants growing in the garden in September 1824. There were also others growing but not yet named. Surely a magnificent effort for the time. My father in law, John (Jackie) Manning Cave, from Barbados, was either Deputy Superintendent or Superintendent of the Garden in 1950 to 1956. He and his family (including his daughter Elizabeth, my wife) lived in the old house in the garden. There was a tree, (the Spakea Perforata - but don't trust my spelling) found on the slopes of Soufriere that had been transplanted to the garden. It was reputed to be the only one ever found. They were looking for another to propogate it with. Does anyone know the outcome of that? Neil

Thanks Richard,, I also assumed that due to the rapidly changing economy of those particular years. my familys must have had business dealing other than the plantations which were having a hard time surviving..or more reasonable grew products that didnt depend so much on sugar etc It would be interesting to find information on other businesses in Grenada .. When you attend Genealogy Seminars, one of the things they tell you about the times and places of your familys location, is to obtain City and Business Directorys. they are hard to find though.. once I found one though that had only about four pages.. but it goes to show that growing towns were already promoting business efforts when they could. Lenora ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Allicock" <richwyn@idirect.com> To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 10:59 PM Subject: Re: Nutmeg History Grenada/ > Hi Leonora, > > Sorry to get back to you only now. I think the answer to your question as to > the spread of the relations may have to do with the fact that the 1840's to > 1850's were years of economic crisis for Caribbean sugar. This means that > many plantations went bankrupt and were sold off very cheaply. Those who > were not in sugar, and in crops that did not require as much labour fared > better in terms of their survival. They may have fared so much better that > they were able to buy up the land of defunct plantations very cheaply in > various parts of the Island.. > > I hope that this helps. > Richard > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenora Anderson" <ldanderson@sbcglobal.net> > To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 5:34 PM > Subject: Re: Nutmeg History Grenada/ > > > > Dear Richard.. I didnt mean that they settled in one place and stayed > > there.. but I was surprised when I found how many plantations they were in > > in a comparitively short period of time.. thus also wondering if the > family > > had proerty there evn earlier than I now can track. I wondered if it was > > also inherited > > Thanks again.. Lenora > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Richard Allicock" <richwyn@idirect.com> > > To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 2:47 PM > > Subject: Re: Nutmeg History Grenada/ > > > > > > > Hi Leonora, > > > > > > You should not expect people to settle in one place and stay there > > > generation after generation. On a very large territory that is quite > > > possible, for people to settle in one place and stay within the general > > > area. But such is the nature of economic opportunities and family > > > relationships that people will move. In the case of a small Island like > > > Grenada people will spread out sooner rather than later. > > > > > > The push comes from inheritance practices, mainly from Primogeniture or > > the > > > passing down of property to the first born son or next in line. The > other > > > children had to get their own land if they wanted to own a plantation or > a > > > farm to make a living. There might be land becoming available nearby due > > to > > > sale, but more likely not, and those desiring land would have to go > where > > it > > > was available. > > > > > > By 1843, there would have been a patch-work: of land still in use, land > > for > > > sale; land abandoned by the owners and up for sale by the authorities. > So > > > people went where the land was, and this would go on generation after > > > generation with the spread you have encountered in relation to your own > > > family research. > > > > > > I hope this helps. > > > > > > Richard > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Lenora Anderson" <ldanderson@sbcglobal.net> > > > To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 4:51 PM > > > Subject: Re: Nutmeg History Grenada > > > > > > > > > > Thank you Richard.. I visited all these site Interestingly enough IF > > > > Nutmeg started in 1843.. that is the exact year that the grandparents > > > > started plantations.. One thing that interest me after seeing all > these > > > > maps... is how our grandparents were at one time all over Grenada in > > > > different areas. You assume that they arrive there and mostly live in > > the > > > > general area. I find mine from St. John's to St David's.. mention in > > LDS > > > > paper Carriacou, and Hillsbourough , and Gouyave,on several birth > > > > certificates of children.. Was this common?? Or did I have a larger > > family > > > > than I now know??? Very interesting. Lenora > > > > From: "Richard Allicock" <richwyn@idirect.com> > > > > To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 7:19 PM > > > > Subject: Nutmeg History Grenada > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some-one wrote recently that Nutmeg cultivation was introduced to > > > Grenada > > > > in 1843. The source below certainly supports that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In 1843, nutmeg is introduced to Grenada from the Dutch East Indies > > and > > > > soon takes over from sugar as the island's principal export. > > > > > > > > > > SOURCE: > > > > http://www.information.kuoni.co.uk/Common/CountryInfo/Info/GDGND2.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But then other sources say this: > > > > > During the 18th century, Grenada's economy underwent an important > > > > transition. Like much of the rest of the West Indies it was originally > > > > settled to cultivate sugar which was grown on estates using slave > labor. > > > But > > > > natural disasters paved the way for the introduction of other crops. > In > > > > 1782, Sir Joseph Banks, the botanical adviser to King George III, > > > introduced > > > > nutmeg to Grenada. The island's soil was ideal for growing the spice > and > > > > because Grenada was a closer source of spices for Europe than the > Dutch > > > East > > > > Indies the island assumed a new importance to European traders. > > > > > > > > > > The collapse of the sugar estates and the introduction of nutmeg and > > > cocoa > > > > encouraged the development of smaller land holdings, and the island > > > > developed a land-owning yeoman farmer class. > > > > > > > > > > SOURCES:: > > > > > > > > > > http://www.traveldocs.com/gd/history.htm. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > www.wikipedia.org/wiki/History+of+Grenada > > > > > > > > > > www.worldrover.com/history/grenada_history.html > > > > > > > > > > globaledge.msu.edu/ibrd/ CountryHistory.asp?CountryID=126&RegionID=4 > > > > > > > > > > Can we reconcile the two versions of History? Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > Richard > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > > > > > For information on individual islands, research aids, island > bulletin > > > > boards or history please visit the CaribbeanGenWeb project at > > > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~caribgw/ > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > > > > For information on individual islands, research aids, island bulletin > > > boards or history please visit the CaribbeanGenWeb project at > > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~caribgw/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > > > all messages posted to CARIBBEAN-L are archived at > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > > > Before posting a query, see if the question has already been asked > > > > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > > all messages posted to CARIBBEAN-L are archived at > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > > Before posting a query, see if the question has already been asked > > > > > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > For information on individual islands, research aids, island bulletin boards or history please visit the CaribbeanGenWeb project at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~caribgw/