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Hello Richard I read with fascination your posting on Banks and nutmeg Banks was such a dynamic element in the planter economy and it is a pleasure to read definitive information on his life and activities None of us, studying genealogy or Carib history can reach a sense of the time and place without knowing something of his influence on the times Thanks for a great posting Chriscod C.M. Codrington("american version # 1952) Editor: Carib GenWeb "Historic Antigua and Barbuda" web-site Co-Administrator: Carribean-L@rootsweb.com Member: Barbados Museum Historical Society, Museum of Antigua and Barbuda Historical and Archaeological Society. -----Original Message----- From: Richard Allicock [mailto:richwyn@idirect.com] Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2003 2:40 AM To: CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Nutmeg - History - Grenada British Empire Sir Joseph Banks et al. rsion: 6.0.489 / Virus Database: 288 - Release Date: 6/10/03 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.489 / Virus Database: 288 - Release Date: 6/10/03

There is a study on the life of the first Chinese in Trinidad whose name I think was Georges Arois in the historic journal published by UWI

After three years of searching I have finally found information of Augustus Wilkin. This was a result of information sent to me, by post, directly from Montserrat. If anyone has any interest in Montserrat then I suggest they do get in touch directly with someone who lives on the Island. I have had a couple of replies from this List that did prove most helpful (thank you Douglas and Ron) but basically I have discovered that there just isn't that much information about Montserrat from people on this List. Nevertheless, I have so enjoyed subscribing to the CARIBBEAN List as the caliber of people on this List is none like any other. I have learned so much about the Caribbean on this List and I have found subscribers to be so knowledgeable, courteous, and so willing to be helpful. One day, Dean, perhaps I can be of assistance with transcribing information of Montserrat but that cannot be possible for two years...at which time my youngest child will be attending university. In the meantime, perhaps there is someone who has information about any BURNE ancestors in the West Indies. Augustus was the child of William Henry Wilkin (from Yorkshire in 1835) and a Margaret Burne. I have considered the possibility that her surname may have been Burke (as I know there was a Burke family in Montserrat) but it does look clearly like the name 'Burne' in the information that I received. As a final note, the volcano did not destroy all Montserrat records (and the Island cannot be compared to Pompeii) and there is hope for us Montserrat researchers afterall!! Many thanks for any information. Alannah Researching: WILKIN (particularly Augustus, Emma, and Matilda b. 1842-1848), HOWES, BURNE, TUCKER, VORCH (BURCHALL?),BLACKBURN, PENCHEON, WEST, WALSH, BURKE, HUMPHRIES, WILCOX, SHIELL, CHAMBERS HUMPHRIES, DUKE,.DOLRIDGE. Later: AUCHINLECK, GALL, WINTER, HUTCHINSON, CARROLL, AND OTHERS! Estates in Montserrat: AMERSHAW, ROACHES, DAGENHAM, GAGES, AND GLEUDON.

Glad to hear you had such positive experiences in Barbados. Lenora must be ecstatic with your discoveries on Sir Anthony! Well done! Re houses: I don't really have any idea how you might go about finding a particular house if the family no longer lives there. If the house has changed hands, the name might also have been changed. I wonder if the Post Office has some sort of list, of house names, seeing that few houses are actually numbered. With regard to Fontabelle, it was once a very lovely neighbourhood with many grand old houses, but after the Deep Water Harbour was built, it has steadily become a more industrial area, and I suspect that many of the lovely old houses have been demolished, so "The Garden" may not even exist today. "Westbury" could refer to Westbury Road, rather than the cemetery, but it might of course be the name of an old estate. Does anyone in Barbados have any idea of sources for such information? Ernest -----Original Message----- From: Dean de Freitas [mailto:caribgw@bellsouth.net] Subject: Barbados Homes (was Plantations, Barbados) On a related subject, I was wondering how one might go about locating a specific house in Barbados. (Houses in B'dos often have names instead of numbered addresses. Do these names change over time?)

Hi Guy, I am quite sure that Births and deaths would have been recorded, by the Plantation/Estate Doctors and Drivers to give to the Overseers and by the latter to the Plantation Managers/Attorneys or Owners where the latter existed. This material (especially deaths) had to be recorded for the Colonial and India Office, if not at the beginning of the experiment, certainly as it progressed. The Plantations/Estates had to keep meticulous records for personnell replacement reasons, but also to protect/defend themselves against the charge of the abolitionists, and later the Missionaries and later the Immigration-Agent-General that they were introducing and practicing a New Slavery, with as much carelessness and brutality as the previous slave-owners. In the early years, many plantations, formerly had slaves, and many of the indentured, East Indians and Madeiran Portuguese, moved into slave quarters, and not to forget the 200 or so Germans who were first indentured, and all of whom promptly died, as did many of the early Portuguese/Madeirans. So the abolitionists who opposed Indentureship and later missionaries were keeping a watchful eye, and frequently raised a hue and cry. So such records were important as they would determine how the experiment was to continue and how long it would last. It was stopped a few times, but lasted close to a hundred years. I am of course talking about the situation in British Guiana and much of what comes below comes from there. Records would be part of the Plantation records, with summaries being sent or not sent until requested or exposed in the series of subsequent enquiries, to the colonial authorities locally. The deaths of Hindus would also be a public health matter as it required cremation. So this may have been another way in which such deaths would appear in the records. But I suspect this would appear a little later after the experiment of indentureship began, and in keeping with Public Health reform in England itself, and in the Colonies and in the case of Guyana and England, such reform was spurred by the fear of the same scourge, Cholera. I am sure that all deaths had to be certified by a Doctor. It was also the case that a suspicous death would require a police investigation. So such deaths would probably appear in the local police records. The Muslims and later Christians would have burial records if only because land had to be set aside for cemetaries. These would also have to be in the Plantation records for medical and police reasons. This brings us to marriages which would also appear in Estate/Plantation records and also police records. The Plantation had to allocate housing to the labourers. Where in the records a male and female were placed in the same lodging, this would indicate some kind of conjugal relationship. It must be remembered that such marriages would have been apparently informal affairs, but were very real to those entering into them. Not the gaudy affairs we are now accustomed to in the West, or what we see portrayed in most Indian movies. Informal in India among the poor, and informal in the colonies, not only because they were poor, but more so because the community and kinship relations were largely absent in the colonies. Once the community had been "rebuilt" and I use that word very loosely, marriages did become more as we know it to-day, a community and a "dress-up" affair. Also, discretionary income was not likely to go into a marriage ceremony, with or without a Pandit or a Moulvi. The latter were largely absent for a long time before the community grew in size, as they were not likely to be knowingly indentured by the agents in India, and when they did emerge religious leaders, they were seen and treated as trouble-makers. But it must be remembered that marriage and divorce among Hindus and Muslims can be a personal ritual performed by the male. This was likely to be the case in the absence of a fully "staffed" community. Discretionary income would go into jewellery, a form of saving and decoration, and an indication of married status, and also wherever possible into savings that could be sent back or taken back to India, and not into a marriage ceremony. But I did mention police records above in relation to marriages. Why would this have been the case? Precisely because of the disproportionate ratio of males to females, other males or females themselves were suspect and even guilty of compromising such marriages. When only suspect, there would be cases of "wife-beating" and assaults between the males. When guilty, there would be cases of assault, attempted murder and actual murder of males and females. So there would be information in the plantation/estate/police records of assaults, trials, subsequent fines, imprisonments or whipping, and hangings. Much the same can be said of the Chinese. But the latter's case was a little different. Many of these if not married before they left China, could also be married after they left, in both cases in the hope that their wife could join them later, as it was important in Chinese ancestor worship that there would be some-one to tend to the ancestors remains. Many Chinese would support a wife they had never seen, or not seen, for many years, (or never see if any of the parties died) for such "religious' reasons. The Chinese also were not averse to meet their sexual needs from among the Creole women. Many who apparently were "married" or apparently "married" usually showed the farce of it when such "wives" especially Chinese "wives" were subsequently transferred to another as a result of gambling. In the case of Guyana, the East Indian were stereotyped for wife beating and murder, but not the Chinese. The latter was more noted for praedial larceny in the early years, and later for gambling, opium dens and brothels (of mixed and creole women). Many Indians on the Plantations, for as long as they remained on the Plantations did not have the opportunity to mix and mingle with the Creole women, and there was considerable animosity between the Creoles and the East Indian groups from the very beginning for religious/cultural and economic reasons. But then there developed the class of the "time-expired" East Indians. These were those who had served their contracts, and who did not return to India. Many could not, as they did not acquire enough money to take back home to their villages to pay the Pandit for ceremonies to remove their loss of caste from crossing the Kala Pani or the Black water, that is the Ocean. Many may have also incurred debts that they did not or could not repay when they were on contract, or could not repay if they returned. (Many were too sickly from the ravages of the Plantation or from chronic diseases of parasites, including malaria. Many were also addicted to Bhang or Ganja. Among the Chinese many were addicted to Opium, which would also determine how much they would be able to work and how much money they could earn). So from the latter groups many did end up in the Creole villages, and towns, and some did end up cohabiting and having children with Creole women. At a time when the Creoles were being Christianized, such unions would not produce records of births in the Church registers. Because they would be seen as "fornication" and worse yet with the Heathen. The adults of such unions when they "accepted Christ" would be recorded and so would their children, who accepted Christ along with their parents and those subsequently born in the particular denomination of their parents. Meanwhile the larger Indian Community was being slowly rebuilt, by new indentures and time-expired Indians, and a better ratio of males to females. There were also many who also lived outside the Estate/Plantation. By the time of the end of Indentureship, there was a significant community based on Rice cultivation, and a Middle Class of Educated mostly Christianised East Indians. The same can be said of the Chinese and their community. Both On/Off Estate/Plantation East Indians and Chinese became the beneficiaries of the General Schemes of Colonial Development beginning after WWII, in terms of education, and health care. This also means more and better records. There is likely to be better records for the Christianised East Indians and Chinese than non-Christian others. I do not recall when the marriages for Hindus and Muslims were legally recognised in Guyana. I do not think they ever were before 1970. I know that their marriages had also to be recorded by the Registrar, decades before their Pandits and Moulvis ceremonies were recognised as legal. The latter I think happened soon after Republican status in 1970. But there were the Censuses that began with the Slave registers and continued with the Decennial General Population Censuses from the 1831. Indians and others were included in the subsequent ones. For a number of years I have been hoping to find the actual Census returns for the personal information that such would contain, but I have not been yet successful. But I mention them here in case any-one has seen or know of such. I also fear that they may have been disposed of because of destruction from age and heat. Enquiries to the Guyana Archives failed to ascertain what is there, returns? or summaries? and I know that there was a general house-cleaning of the Parliament Buldings Rotunda in the '50's and/or '60s, where such records were likely to be kept as part of Treasury records. So here I will end this. I hope the above helps. It is sketchy in detail and largely limited to Guyana, but I am sure relevant to Jamaica and Trinidad. Let me know if I answered any of your original query. Thanks. Richard. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Guy Grannum" <guy@gcgrannum.freeserve.co.uk> To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 2:40 AM Subject: East Indian and Chinese Indentured Immigration W.I. > This discussion has been extremely useful - in terms of bibliographies. > > I wonder if anyone can offer advice on a question I posed a while ago - that > of vital records for the East Indian community. > > Many, if not most, of the East Indian immigrants predated civil registration > and as most were not Christians would not be recorded in the usual Caribbean > sources - namely parish registers. > > What was the practice for recording their births, marriages and > deaths/burials, if at all? May be this was oral tradition as practiced in > India. I understand that in Trinidad Muslim marriages were not recognised > until about 1936 and Hindu marriages until about 1946 - this meant that such > 'married' couples were considered common-law relationship and were basically > single from a legal point of view and any children were illegitimate, this > also effected laws of probate for intestacy (dying without leaving a valid > will) and later British citizenship and belonging (as citizenship passed > through legitimate fathers). > > However, for such marriages not to be recognised must mean that these > marriages occurred. Were such events written down? > > I have tried numerous social histories and websites - there is plenty > describing the migrations, immigration controls and working conditions but > really there is nothing of serious use to the genealogist. > > Another non-Christian group of post emancipation labourers, which again > predate civil registration, are the Chinese labourers. They first arrived in > Trinidad in 1806 although the next waves were not until the 1840s in Guyana, > Jamaica and Trinidad. Was anything recorded about their life events? > However, very few Chinese women migrated until the 1860s and I understand > that the normal practice was for Chinese men to return to China in order to > marry and would remain. But after 1860 some 'marriages' must have taken > place according to homeland practices - may be their numbers were too small > to establish their own places of worship and that births and marriages went > unrecorded. I assume that burials would occur but in the municipal > cemeteries rather than church yards. > > There is an excellent site relating to the Chinese in Guyana by Trev > Sue-A-Quan at http://www.rootsweb.com/~guycigtr/ > > I welcome any thoughts and advice. > > Thanks > > Guy > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Allicock" <richwyn@idirect.com> > To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 9:16 AM > Subject: East Indian Indenture Immigration W.I. > > > > Hi Listers, > > > > I think I have come to the end of the research material for East Indian > Indenture Immigration to the West Indies. > > > > I took a look at Chedie's List on his Website "East Indian Laborers in the > Caribbean 1838 to 1930." > > > > I have produced some material for the places in Brackets. The places that > are unbracketed are yet to be provided for in terms of historical research > material. > > > > So others are free to pitch in and hlep to complete the List and the > thread. > > > > Please stick to the Subject line. Thanks. > > > > Here's the list of places done and not done: > > > > Belize, Fr. Guiana, Grenada, Guadaloupe, [Guyana], [Jamaica], Martinique, > Nevis, St. Croix, St. Kitts, St. Lucia, [St. Vincent], [Surinam] and > [Trinidad] > > > > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > > For information on individual islands, research aids, island bulletin > boards or history please visit the CaribbeanGenWeb project at > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~caribgw/ > > > > > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > For information on individual islands, research aids, island bulletin boards or history please visit the CaribbeanGenWeb project at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~caribgw/ > >

Dear Listers: I would like to obtain information on James Gittens, listed as "F.C.P." He was listed as owner of infant slave, Emily Frances, baptised in St. Philip Parish, Barbados Page 430 Baptisms 1825 July 2 owned by James Gittens, F.C.P. I am trying to get information about James Gittens in order to establish whether Emily Frances eventually became Emily Frances ROSE who married Samuel Richard EDGHILL 12 June 1856 in Christ Church, and died c 1 September 1906 in Christ Church. Thank you, Iris Agard Hawkins edghill@juno.com Researching AGARD/ARCHER/EDGHILL/ROSE/SMITH in Barbados

Dean, This is NOT and advertisement -- I don't know Stephen, but I would suspect that Stephen Mendes who does the Barbados photo gallery website http://barbadosphotogallery.com/aerial10.htm might possibly, probably for a small fee, do something like this. Lisa

I think there were quite a few Jamaicans in the US and British Armies ... I can remeber my grandfather telling me stories of friends in the US Army in Korea. -----Original Message----- From: Richard Bond [mailto:RichardBond@webtv.net] Sent: 03 June 2003 23:11 To: CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Paiewonsky USVI west indians in the korean war There is a Korean War movie based on a true historical incident in which one of the main characters an army officer is a Paiewonsky who was born on St. Thomas. I don't remember the first name or the title. ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== all messages posted to CARIBBEAN-L are archived at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ Before posting a query, see if the question has already been asked

In a message dated 6/7/03 2:11:34 AM, rossignolp@aol.com writes: << Dans l'article <118.246bf1f4.2c1032ce@aol.com>, JHughes3829@aol.coma écrit : >Does anyone know the genealogy of Victor Hughues/Hughes? My family, thru tradition, claims to be from the Caribbean area, but so far I have not been able to make a connection. My earliest ancestor is Elias Hughs/Hughes of Southwest >Virginia about the year 1750. >Thanks for any help. >Joy Hughes > Bonjour We have published the genealogy in Généalogie et Histoire de la Caraïbe N° 117 juillet-août 1999 pages 2584 à 2591 N° 134 février 2001 pages 3096 à 3102 V.H. had only 4 daughters. Regards Philippe Rossignol >> ______ Bonjour, Can you tell me if this published in English, where could it be ordered and how much in US money it would be? Thank you so very much. Joy Hughes

I must say, I thoroughly enjoyed the experience When I finally found the obit, I was so excited, I felt like Sherlock Holmes for a minute. The librarians were tickled by my response.... The thrill of the hunt is what makes this addiction we call genealogy so interesting, isn't it? Dean On Saturday, June 7, 2003, at 12:20 PM, Lenora Anderson wrote: > Dean.. I told you how grateful I am for the Sir Anthony papers and > info.. > but after reading HOW you got it amazes me! If > "I" were to go there and try that,, never having been there > before...they > would be sending for someone to take me away! Lenora

On a related subject, I was wondering how one might go about locating a specific house in Barbados. (Houses in B'dos often have names instead of numbered addresses. Do these names change over time?) I found several addresses for George Winter in Barbados. One reference gives and address as "the Garden, Fontabelle". I'm familiar with where the Fontabelle neighborhood is, but haven't a clue on how to locate "The Garden". Another reference notes their residence as "Westbury". I know where the Westbury Cemetery is located, so I assume they lived close to or in it's current location. Finally, his will mentions leaving his home to his wife. The house is named "Winterton" (which is incidentally the name of the family's ancestral home in St. Johns, Newfoundland). I would most like to have pictures of these homes, should they still exist, or at least be able to locate them on a street map. The idea occurred to me that I could simply send a letter to each of these addresses, and see what happens. Anyone have any other ideas?? Dean

Hi Adrian: I can tell you that in 1912 Jordan's (which is just North East of St. George Parish Church) was 235 acres, using steam power, and was owned by E.A. Walcott and E.G. Hart Wood. The manager was E.G. Hart Wood. Might be able to tell you something more about the Walcotts & the Woods, if that might provide some more clues. Contact me off List, and in the meantime I shall see I I can dig up anything more. Ernest -----Original Message----- From: andyjervisuk@tiscali.co.uk [mailto:andyjervisuk@tiscali.co.uk] Subject: Plantations, Barbados Dear All, I just wondered... if any one knows the history of Jordans, also in St. Georges. My 4x great grandfather Henry Smith Jervis was, according to his burial certificate, the owner when he died in 1813.

Hello all, As promised, here is a little report on my experience doing some research in Barbados. I had two main goals, learn more about the Barbados branch of my WInter line, and find out more about Sir Anthony de Freitas. Thanks to several people on the list, some of whom wish to remain anonymous, I had some idea of where to go and who to see prior to getting there. According to some sources, the Archives were undergoing renovation and access would be restricted. I decided to focus my time at the Shilstone Library of the Barbados Museum (http://www.rootsweb.com/~brbwgw/Contacts2.htm and http://www.barbmuse.org.bb/the.society/). Mrs. Shannon, the Head Librarian, was extremely helpful. I focused my search in the Journals of the Barbados Historical Society. The Museum Library has an index of names that can be referenced, and I found quite a number of articles and extracts that mentioned the Winters. Mrs. Shannon photocopied the relevant portions out of the Journals for me, at a nominal fee. (Note: the library is quite likely the COLDEST room in Barbados! They keep the temperature pretty low in there to help preserve the books.) Unfortunately, I had no luck with Sir Anthony de Freitas as he was a 20th century resident. Mrs. Shannon suggested that I call the Barbados Advocate to inquire about obituaries, which I did. They referred me to the National Library's Main branch in Bridgetown (http://www.rootsweb.com/~brbwgw/SourcesContacts0.htm). Meanwhile, I had learned that, although the Archives were having the roof replaced on the building with the reading room, they had temporarily relocated to a smaller room in the complex. I called and set up an appointment to use the microfilm room at the library in the morning, and another one to go to the temporary reading room at the Archives in the afternoon. The National Library is located in Bridgetown, near to the Main Police Station. My goal here was to find an obit for Sir Anthony. (Side note: navigating through Bridgetown is quite the experience! For those of us from the Islands, this will come as no surprise, but for non-natives, prepare yourself for adventure. None of the streets seem to run at right angles, they are almost all one-way, and pedestrians make a sport out of jaywalking. I am still surprised that I didn't kill anyone in my time on the road. Directions are given by landmarks, not street names i.e. "turn left at the bank" etc.) The people at the library were also quite helpful. They set me up in the microfilm room (actually a closet with air conditioning, filing cabinets for the microfilm, and two readers). Since I did not know exactly when Sir Anthony died, I resolved to look through all the papers for 1940, but after four hours of very interesting reading, I had only made it through March, with no luck. Next, I headed to the Archives, which is located a little north of Bridgetown, just off the Coast Road. Apparently, the normal Reading Room is stocked with volumes of Who's Who, Colonial Office Lists, almanacs etc., but in the temp space, you had to request a certain book and they would bring it to you, making browsing virtually impossible. They also provide access to BDM's and wills. I had decided to use my limited time here to look at wills for the Winters, since I had many of the BDM info already through Ernest Wiltshire's generosity. The proved wills are indexed in a volume by year and surname. I took note of all the Winter wills I could find when, lo and behold, I came across Sir Anthony's will! I filled out a request form and received Sir Anthony's actual will, as well as the Will Book with a transcribed copy of George Winter's will. His will ran across five hand-written pages in this ledger, so I was only able to make some quick notes. I'll have to order a copy of his and some of the other Winter wills from the Registry at some point. Sir Anthony's will was much shorter, so I was able to transcribe the whole thing within a few minutes. Armed with the date of his death, I zipped back over to the Library, and was quickly able to locate a quite detailed editorial in the Advocate about Sir Anthony published subsequent to his death. I made a photocopy of the article before heading home for the day. In summary, my experience was pleasant and fruitful. Everyone I encountered was extremely helpful. Unfortunately, my family only granted limited periods of time in which to indulge myself - about 12 hours , all told. I wish I could have stayed longer, I could have learned so much more. I guess I'll just have to go back! If only all the islands were so diligent in preserving their resources.... Regards, Dean P.S. I had the pleasure of briefly meeting, both in person and by email, with several paid researchers in Barbados, two of whom (silently) subscribe to the list. If you want contact info for them, let me know and I'll see what I can do. Note, these are PAID researchers, they don't work for free, but can be quite helpful for those who can't get to the island.

Dear All, I just wondered as Lisa and Ernest have been talking about plantations if any one knows the history of Jordans, also in St. Georges. My 4x great grandfather Henry Smith Jervis was, according to his burial certificate, the owner when he died in 1813. My cousin visited Barbados recently and found Jordans which is now a private residence but the present owners didn't know much about the history of the place. I would be grateful of any information or pointers towards finding out more about the history of this plantation. Yours sincerely, Adrian Jervis

Greetings listers, I wanted to post a message before now, but have been playing catch-up since my return. First of all, I had a great time in Barbados. It's was my second visit to the island, and I highly recommend it as a vacation spot. More importantly to this list, I had a great experience doing some family research. I'll share that experience in a separate post. Now for some quick administrative notes: Thanks to everyone, especially Richard Allicock, for the postings of bibliographies related to different ethic groups. This is a great resource, and if no one has any objection, I'll compile them and put them up on the CaribGenWeb site. If anyone already has them compiled in one place, I would appreciate you sharing it with me to save me some time and effort. A word about list etiquette. The List is remarkably tranquil and on-topic most of the time. I have nothing to do with that fact. It is due entirely to you - the listers - and your courteous and respectful attitudes, coupled with a genuine thirst for knowledge in the subject of West Indian history and genealogy. So please, be mindful of how your words may come across to others with regards to their personal feelings. I am NOT suggesting that we hold back on debating issues - quite the contrary. Civilized debate is the highest form of learning, IMHO. All I ask is that we refrain from personal "attacks", real or unintended. Furthermore, if you feel that you have been slighted in some way, email the offender personally to explain your feelings, rather than respond in kind on the List. I have no doubt, knowing the caliber of people on this List, that the offense was most likely unintended, and an apology would be forthcoming. Lastly, there was a question about the USVI site. The site has been abandoned by it's coordinator, and I working with Rootsweb to regain access. Along those lines, I am looking for Coordinators for Montserrat, St. Vincent, US Virgin Islands, and the Turks and Caicos. I have someone who recently volunteered to run the Bahamas site. Again, I am willing to do the technical work on these sites, I just need someone to gather the data and field queries to the Coordinator. Best to everyone. Dean

Dean.. I told you how grateful I am for the Sir Anthony papers and info.. but after reading HOW you got it amazes me! If "I" were to go there and try that,, never having been there before...they would be sending for someone to take me away! Lenora ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dean de Freitas" <caribgw@bellsouth.net> To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 8:36 AM Subject: Research in Barbados - My Personal Experience (LONG) > Hello all, > > As promised, here is a little report on my experience doing some > research in Barbados. I had two main goals, learn more about the > Barbados branch of my WInter line, and find out more about Sir Anthony > de Freitas. > > Thanks to several people on the list, some of whom wish to remain > anonymous, I had some idea of where to go and who to see prior to > getting there. According to some sources, the Archives were undergoing > renovation and access would be restricted. I decided to focus my time > at the Shilstone Library of the Barbados Museum > (http://www.rootsweb.com/~brbwgw/Contacts2.htm and > http://www.barbmuse.org.bb/the.society/). Mrs. Shannon, the Head > Librarian, was extremely helpful. I focused my search in the Journals > of the Barbados Historical Society. The Museum Library has an index of > names that can be referenced, and I found quite a number of articles > and extracts that mentioned the Winters. Mrs. Shannon photocopied the > relevant portions out of the Journals for me, at a nominal fee. (Note: > the library is quite likely the COLDEST room in Barbados! They keep > the temperature pretty low in there to help preserve the books.) > > Unfortunately, I had no luck with Sir Anthony de Freitas as he was a > 20th century resident. Mrs. Shannon suggested that I call the Barbados > Advocate to inquire about obituaries, which I did. They referred me to > the National Library's Main branch in Bridgetown > (http://www.rootsweb.com/~brbwgw/SourcesContacts0.htm). Meanwhile, I > had learned that, although the Archives were having the roof replaced > on the building with the reading room, they had temporarily relocated > to a smaller room in the complex. I called and set up an appointment > to use the microfilm room at the library in the morning, and another > one to go to the temporary reading room at the Archives in the > afternoon. > > The National Library is located in Bridgetown, near to the Main Police > Station. My goal here was to find an obit for Sir Anthony. (Side > note: navigating through Bridgetown is quite the experience! For those > of us from the Islands, this will come as no surprise, but for > non-natives, prepare yourself for adventure. None of the streets seem > to run at right angles, they are almost all one-way, and pedestrians > make a sport out of jaywalking. I am still surprised that I didn't > kill anyone in my time on the road. Directions are given by landmarks, > not street names i.e. "turn left at the bank" etc.) > > The people at the library were also quite helpful. They set me up in > the microfilm room (actually a closet with air conditioning, filing > cabinets for the microfilm, and two readers). Since I did not know > exactly when Sir Anthony died, I resolved to look through all the > papers for 1940, but after four hours of very interesting reading, I > had only made it through March, with no luck. > > Next, I headed to the Archives, which is located a little north of > Bridgetown, just off the Coast Road. Apparently, the normal Reading > Room is stocked with volumes of Who's Who, Colonial Office Lists, > almanacs etc., but in the temp space, you had to request a certain > book and they would bring it to you, making browsing virtually > impossible. They also provide access to BDM's and wills. I had > decided to use my limited time here to look at wills for the Winters, > since I had many of the BDM info already through Ernest Wiltshire's > generosity. The proved wills are indexed in a volume by year and > surname. I took note of all the Winter wills I could find when, lo and > behold, I came across Sir Anthony's will! I filled out a request form > and received Sir Anthony's actual will, as well as the Will Book with a > transcribed copy of George Winter's will. His will ran across five > hand-written pages in this ledger, so I was only able to make some > quick notes. I'll have to order a copy of his and some of the other > Winter wills from the Registry at some point. Sir Anthony's will was > much shorter, so I was able to transcribe the whole thing within a few > minutes. > > Armed with the date of his death, I zipped back over to the Library, > and was quickly able to locate a quite detailed editorial in the > Advocate about Sir Anthony published subsequent to his death. I made a > photocopy of the article before heading home for the day. > > In summary, my experience was pleasant and fruitful. Everyone I > encountered was extremely helpful. Unfortunately, my family only > granted limited periods of time in which to indulge myself - about 12 > hours , all told. I wish I could have stayed longer, I could have > learned so much more. I guess I'll just have to go back! If only all > the islands were so diligent in preserving their resources.... > > Regards, > > Dean > > P.S. I had the pleasure of briefly meeting, both in person and by > email, with several paid researchers in Barbados, two of whom > (silently) subscribe to the list. If you want contact info for them, > let me know and I'll see what I can do. Note, these are PAID > researchers, they don't work for free, but can be quite helpful for > those who can't get to the island. > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > ROOTSWEB MAILING LIST HELP PAGES > What is a Mailing List? > http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/help/mail1.html

I was interested to read the items concerning Nutmeg in Grenada. I have a 3 page article called " The Nutmeg Story " prepared for the Delegats to the Caribbean Conservation Association Conference May 5 - 7 1967, by J.R.Groome president of the Grenada National Trust, Grenada Boy's Secondary School, Grenada. This is probably the same article David mentions having been published in Dr Groome's book. It is a very interesting article, talking about nutmeg having appeared in Europe as early as the 12th century. The copy is too poor to scan & share with listers, so it would probably be better if I typed it to the List, especially if others are interested. I will work on retyping the complete article & then send it to the list. It mentions the BELL family of my husband's in this paragraph: Quote : Estate Managers , returning from the Far East before 1850, may well have planted nutmegs in the area between Soubise Point & Birchgrove, in St Andrews Parish, the names LESSEY & MUNRO being associated with Bellvue & Capitol Estates. It is probable that these were the first commercial plantations. A portion of Capitol is now called Penang Estate, which is most significant. This has belonged to the BELL family from 1778 ( although not listed in Gavin Smith's survey of 1824 ). The son of the original owner, Captain John BELL, R.N. " brought nutmegs from the Far East, ' because he liked his punch' . He also planted them at Penang Estate,- date unknown ". It may be postulated that he named the field first planted after the place of origin of his seed, subsequently transferring the name to the whole property, when the crop proved successful - doubless many years after Smith's survey. It is noted here that there seems at the present time , to be a radical difference ! between the Grenadian and Indonesian nutmeg in colour, shape, size, both oil content and flavour. Below, I have copied an obituary from a local paper in Grenada & Carriacou, West Indies. This is where we found the information about the reasons for my husband's Great Grandfather Thomas William BELL having gone to Grenada from his birthplace in Malta. This Obituary also mentions the nutmeg growing efforts of several others. Regards, Merril Bourne. New Zealand. The Chronicle and Gazette Saturday September 8th 1877 Deaths: Died at Dumfries house Carriacou, on Monday the 3 rd. instant, Thomas William Bell, Esquire, Police Magistrate and Coroner for the Northern district, aged 58 years, leaving a wife, children and grand children to mourn their irreparable loss. The Packet: Death has removed, since last packet, one of our most esteemed colonists. Thomas William Bell, Esq. Police magistrate of Carriacou, died on Monday, the 3rd. instant, after a very short illness. Mr. Bell came out to Grenada in 1839, in Messrs. Hankey's ship, the Helen , as an interpreter to a batch of Maltese immigrants, who were brought here through the exertions of the late Henry Edward Sharpe, Esq. Then Proprietor of Corinth and providence estates, in St. Davids Parish, conjointly with Messrs. Thompson Hankey and company, and Messrs. Davidson, Barkely and Company. Of London. The failure of this experiment was attributable , we learn on good authority, to the uncalled for and improper interference of the Stipendiary Justices of that day. Mr. Bell, after several years occupation as a clerk and merchant, settled himself on his property of La Vallette in St. Andrews, where he soon became distinguished as a grower of spices, which had become a specialty in Grenada, through the perservering exertions of the late Robert Kenedy at Belone, George Macfarlane at Peggy's Whim, and Alexander Brim at Hampstead, Mr. Bell, with such advantages and examples, soon established his name which up to now stands high in the London and other home markets, as a grower of spices. Mr. Bell leaves a large family, who have been trained to follow his industrious example, and a widow with young children, all of whom have to deplore the loss of an affectionate parent. With these, the community deeply sympathise, as all who knew Mr. Thomas William Bell will miss his genial friendly manner. His remains were interred at Carriacou on Monday evening. The Health of the colony is good.

Dans l'article <118.246bf1f4.2c1032ce@aol.com>, JHughes3829@aol.coma écrit : > >Does anyone know the genealogy of Victor Hughues/Hughes? My family, thru >tradition, claims to be from the Caribbean area, but so far I have not been >able >to make a connection. My earliest ancestor is Elias Hughs/Hughes of Southwest > >Virginia about the year 1750. > >Thanks for any help. >Joy Hughes > Bonjour We have published the genealogy in Généalogie et Histoire de la Caraïbe N° 117 juillet-août 1999 pages 2584 à 2591 N° 134 février 2001 pages 3096 à 3102 V.H. had only 4 daughters. Regards Philippe Rossignol

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