I beg you to excuse me for this message, that went off inadvertently. In fact, I was experiencing some trouble answering this query by using the function "reply all", by which I thought my answer would go to the list as well as to the original correspondent, Min Walker. I'll wait now to see if this message gets through, before preparing my actual reply. Sincerely, Jan Bousse. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Bousse" <boussejan@pandora.be> To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 1:53 PM Subject: Re: SHAW and CAMPBELL of St. Marys > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Min Walker" <minw@ihug.co.nz> > To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 12:03 AM > Subject: SHAW and CAMPBELL of St. Marys > > > > Researching Dr. David Shaw of Edinburgh, Scotland who was at St. Marys, > > Jamaica from about 1798 to 1820. > > He married Henriewtts Campbell and his daughters were Sarah, Fanny and > > Elizabeth. > > Thanks in advance for any information. > > > > -- > > Min Walker > > minw@ihug.co.nz > > > > > > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > > all messages posted to CARIBBEAN-L are archived at > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > > Before posting a query, see if the question has already been asked > > > > > > >

----- Original Message ----- From: "Min Walker" <minw@ihug.co.nz> To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 12:03 AM Subject: SHAW and CAMPBELL of St. Marys > Researching Dr. David Shaw of Edinburgh, Scotland who was at St. Marys, > Jamaica from about 1798 to 1820. > He married Henriewtts Campbell and his daughters were Sarah, Fanny and > Elizabeth. > Thanks in advance for any information. > > -- > Min Walker > minw@ihug.co.nz > > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > all messages posted to CARIBBEAN-L are archived at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Before posting a query, see if the question has already been asked > > >

Hello Chris, My father went to Munro and was probably there at that time. I would appreciate receiving a copy of the photo. The reason I am responding via the List is that I have been in touch with a Delrose Miller Brown, member of the Munro/Hampton alumni association at <munrohamptoncanada@yahoo.com>, and they are planning to put out a book with photos showing the history of the college. Perhaps other subscribers to this list would be interested in contributing photos to them? Thanks, Joan Garcia ------------------------------ >Chris in Florida <cmarley01NS@attbi.com> >Monday, June 9, 2003 > Just found and scanned a photo of the Munro College 1927-28 soccer team. >( Jamaica) If anyone wants a copy send me an email- remove NS from my email > address. > I have no ID on any of the 11 guys. > Cheers.

Researching Dr. David Shaw of Edinburgh, Scotland who was at St. Marys, Jamaica from about 1798 to 1820. He married Henriewtts Campbell and his daughters were Sarah, Fanny and Elizabeth. Thanks in advance for any information. -- Min Walker minw@ihug.co.nz

Ernest wants to start another thread regarding financial/sexual/religion! I am the last one to discuss the subjects, but I'll try. The Church of Scotland (Presbyterian) on St. Vincent when through various problems over the years. By 1949 there was no Church due to a scandal in the 1930's. The problems in the 1850's were financial and "from the departure of the Minister to Europe on account of ill health" and the retirement of the school's Head Master. A Methodist Minister briefly mentioned the problems in the book "A Voice from the West Indies" by Rev'd John HORSFORD - 1856 - St. Vincent. Page 353 - " ... There are here three presses, - each respectable, liberal, and exhibiting ability; but on reading-rooms, and no libraries, except the small remnants of the Presbyterian Library, which, from the departure of the Minister to Europe on account of ill health, and the scattered state of the church and congregation, has, like the school, fallen into the hands of Mr. Robert Cropper, a true patriot an a Graduate of Marischal College in the University of Aberdeen, who has recently instituted evening classes for the instruction of young men in history, science, and philosophy, and who is contemplating the establishment of a Mechanics' Institute, respecting which fuller information will be shortly given by means of a pamphlet now in the press and soon to be published. ..." Page 354 - " ... The same may be said of the Presbyterian school. Mr. Hart, the former master, gave cordial satisfaction to the parents, and won the affections of the pupils; and, on his retirement to his - native land, Scotland, in 1853, he was succeeded by Mr. R. Cropper, who is in every way competent, and whose interest in the rising generation is deep and disinterested. This school was denominational; and though the Assembly's Catechism was taught in it, it was liberally conducted. ..." The best place for information was a website of the Historical Society of St. Vincent which no longer exists. The former Presbyterian Church is now t he Seventh Day Adventist Church. The old website had :- "This place of worship in central Kingstown for the Seventh Day Adventists was once the Kirk of the Scottish Presbyterians who settled in St. Vincent after the Monmouth Rebellion in England. The Church of Scotland or as it was locally called the Scots' Kirk, is a large stone edifice situated at the corner of Granby and Sharpe Streets. It was first built in 1839 and reconstructed in 1880 by William Smith, a leading landowner who, besides owning estates in St. Vincent, possessed a few lots of land on Granby and Sharpe Streets. The building is historically significant because, unlike St. George's Cathedral, it was not built with state funds. It was supported by tithes given by Scottish settlers who wanted to continue the form of worship practised in the Mother Country. Therefore, Alexander Porter, the owner of the largest number of estates in St. Vincent at the time, thought it was his duty - as an elder - to support, financially, the Kirk. In 1902, the year before he died, he gave the church an endowment of five hundred pounds sterling, on condition that only a Scotsman be minister." "The building was enlarged in 1927. It had on its roof a beautiful wooden ventilator with a weathercock. This ventilator was demolished last year when repairs were done to the roof. A manse was built east of the church, on The Greens not too far from the church, on an elevated area which commanded a good view of Kingstown Harbour. During the 1930's a scandal rocked the Kirk; it's membership fell and finally the church was closed down. In 1952 it was sold to the Seventh Day Adventist who use it for regular worship especially on Saturdays. Because it is the largest the centre of activity and replaces the first Adventist Chapel at Montrose. This was a wooden building which was dedicated on 12th July 1903, two years after the first Adventist missionaries arrived in St. Vincent." Jim C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ernest M. Wiltshire" <murcot@synapse.net> To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 12:22 PM Subject: RE: St. Vincent Presbyterian Church. > Jim this is interesting: why did the Presbyterian Church disappear from > St. Vincent? When my father was posted there in 1949 as a Methodist > minister, the Governor (Administrator strictly speaking) was a > Presbyterian, but came to the Methodist Church as there was no > Presbyterian one, and he tended to go to the Anglican Church only for > official occasions. Was there a financial/sexual scandal 100 years > earlier? > > Ernest M. Wiltshire

Bonjour Nous avons dépouillés et mis sur informatique les actes de mariages et sépultures de Ste Lucie d'après les actes conservés à Aix en Provence et les microfilms des Mormons. Nous avons dresssé un "dictionnaire" des personnes notables avec les renseignements qui figurent dans ces actes. Je voudrais enrichir ce dictionnaire et pouvoir le publier sur CD-Rom Si vous avez des ancêtres qui vivaient à ste Lucie vous pouvez me contacter. Cordialement Philippe Rossignol http://members.aol.com/GHCaraibe

Bonjour J'ai mis en consultation plusieurs bulletins de "Généalogie et Histoire de la Caraïbe" de 1991. Ils ne sont pas en anglais mais si un article semble intéressant il pourrait être traduit et mis sur le serveur. http://www.GHCaraibe.org/bul/sombul.html Cordialement Philippe Rossignol

Here's the Links page for Bengali, Hindu Castes and Names. http://www.purespeed.com/personal/mazumdar/bengname-hinducaste.html

Here's a more Indian Hindu rather than Bengali Hindu Caste Listing with Names under particular Castes. I recognise many of these as East Indian Family Names in the West Indies.. http://www.purespeed.com/personal/mazumdar/bengname-castejogendra.html

Since Caste is also denoted by East Indian Family Names, here's a link to West Bengali Castes. I recognise some of these Caste names as Family names. http://www.purespeed.com/personal/mazumdar/bengname-casteintro.html

Since the Bengali link on the page in the previous email mail does not work here is another link. These are Male Baby Bengali Hindu Names. Together with the Female Baby names, there are over 525,000. http://www.kabalarians.com/male/bengalim.htm

For those who are interested here is a link to East Indian Names. There are over 2000 Names. The latter includes Sanskrit based names of Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists and Jains. Christian Names are not given since they are not of Sanskrit Origin. There are also links to Muslim Names and Bengali Names. All are Boys and Girls Names. Many or Most of these ended up as Surnames in the West Indies. http://www.ee.ualberta.ca/~naik/indnames.html

I'll second Dorothy's recommendation. I found out about the online gazettes sometime ago, possibly from another post on this list. I have been able to find quite a number of references to relatives who served as officers in WWI and WWII, as well as a mention of my Great Grandfather's MBE award. Legal notices were also posted in the gazettes Dean ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dorothy Kew" <dkew1@ca.inter.net> To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 10:13 AM Subject: The London Gazette online > Hi Listers: > > I found the following item in the March 2003 issue of Practical Family > History, an English periodical published by the same company that publishes > Family Tree Magazine. > > "A searchable online database of names published in the London Gazette has > been launched by the Stationery Office at > www.gazettes-online.co.uk. Access is free." > > This site also includes the Belfast Gazette and the Edinburgh Gazette. I > was most interested to try out the complete archive for World War I which > includes all items posted in the London Gazette for all forces involved in > the war, such matters as promotions, medals, etc. I did a couple of > searches on names I knew of for Jamaicans who had served in WWI and had good > results. I also noticed separate entries under the West Indian Regiment > battallions. My preliminary search was quite brief but I think this will be > an excellent online source to check. > > Dorothy

Just found and scanned a photo of the Munro College 1927-28 soccer team.( Jamaica) If anyone wants a copy send me an email- remove NS from my email address. I have no ID on any of the 11 guys. Cheers.

----- Original Message ----- From: <CARIBBEAN-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <CARIBBEAN-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 8:05 PM Subject: CARIBBEAN-D Digest V03 #166

Hi David On a strictly technical basis, I am "in charge" although I can barely type at the moment. As you know, I am a strict proponent of history before genealogy.....therefore all historical digressions are welcome. If we didn't have such a fine potential staff in that quarter on carib-L I would have to go out and recruit some....but lucky me, I need not bother myself with such difficulties....I merely have to stir the pot Cod C.M. Codrington("american version # 1952) Editor: Carib GenWeb "Historic Antigua and Barbuda" web-site Co-Administrator: Carribean-L@rootsweb.com Member: Barbados Museum Historical Society, Museum of Antigua and Barbuda Historical and Archaeological Society. -----Original Message----- From: David Watson [mailto:family.watson@utoronto.ca] Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 12:05 PM To: CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Nutmeg - History - Grenada British Empire Sir Joseph Banks et al. >Richard Allicock wrote >I was hoping to hear.... [from] David Watson on whether the crediting of >Sir Joseph Banks with the introduction of the Nutmeg to Grenada in >1784 was in Dr. Groome's book No, Banks wasn't credited by Groome. I think Groome would have if he had had any evidence - in his small way he was a Banks of Grenada, and I think they shared the same alma mater, and they certainly shared the same obsession with natural history. I am wondering what this has to do with genealogy, but it seems to have sparked an interest. I hope whoever is "in charge" will bear with us. Nutmegs are so important to Grenada - like oil to Saudi Arabia. I've read a lot over the years about nutmeg agriculture, and I think we're dealing with three things - why is everything in threes? - the general desperate desire, for science and profit, to grow spices. People who did this in the beginning, couldn't match the expertise of the Dutch. Lots of trials and lots of failures. It is actually quite tricky to grow nutmegs, certainly in commercial quantities; that's hardly news to any farmer. So we have an "introductory period" when plants went into the ground and generally failed. - then, in Grenada, some managers go to Penang to assist with sugar production, and they learn to cultivate nutmeg, they learn some secrets. They bring back the nutmegs and the secrets and experiment. - lots of failures again, but they persevere and have a factor to help, Thomson Hankey (that's the name of a company,) whose families have a produce relationship with Grenada. I think we're now into the 1860s. - luck now plays a part, as does clever agricultural techniques. Some pestilence in Indonesia, a good factor (Thomson Hankey,) smart planters (I'm sure you are right, Richard, they were Scottish,) and away you go. You can hardy believe your luck. That seems to have been four points, oh well. In 1955 hurricane Janet destroyed 80% of Grenada's nutmegs. But they bounced right back, planting new trees and using the opportunity to improve the planting techniques. Also, the marketing system of cooperatives in Grenada has served all growers, large and small, over the years. How many of you on this list are interested in this esoteric discussion? David Watson ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== Before posting a query, check to see if the question has already been asked on the List. All messages posted to CARIBBEAN-L are archived by date or thread at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/CARIBBEAN. You can search the archives at http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=CARIBBEAN. --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.489 / Virus Database: 288 - Release Date: 6/10/03 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.489 / Virus Database: 288 - Release Date: 6/10/03

Hello Michael: do you know if one of the plantations he owned was Newton? In "Plantation Slavery in Barbados" Jerome Handler states that: "After John Newton's death until 1794, Newton plantation remained in the hands of owners, usually absentee, who were direct descendants of the original owner, Samuel Newton. In 1794 the plantation was inherited by two brothers, John & Thomas Lane (a barrister and solicitor respectively)... The Lane brothers were cousins to Elizabeth Newton who died in 1794 and who was the last Newton to own the plantation..." Unfortunately I don't know just who this John & Thomas Lane are, (though they could be the sons of Ambrose Lane, his sons Thomas born 1759 & John 1762) and I haven't found any clues as to the link between the Lanes & the Newtons; it is possible they were all back in England. Ernest M. Wiltshire Friends of the Barbados Archives 38 Inglewood Place, Ottawa, Ontario Canada K1Y 4C7 -----Original Message----- From: Dr M.A. Message [mailto:mam1@cam.ac.uk] Subject: Ownership of Barbadian Plantations ...I have an interest in John Brandford Lane (1791 - 1829) who, at the end of his life, is alleged to have been the owner of three plantations in Barbados. My efforts to validate that claim have been almost entirely negative. The only possible positive finding is that *almost* certainly he either owned or had a controlling share in a plantation at Black Rock.

I am looking for the name of the Vice Chancellor of Jamaica in 1847. Does anyone have this info? Thanks Rhona panton aline wrote: > s.charles@ool.fr (aline) wrote in message news:<25840f05.0305250243.2606993e@posting.google.com>... > Bonjour cheryl > Pour l'instant, je n'ai pas vu encore de Ollivierre, mais a chaque > fois que je regarde dans une commune, je pense à vous. > Amicalement aline charles. > entraide AD971 FGW et Fil d'Ariane. > > > Bonjour cheryl > > Je vais regarder au AD jeudi. > > amicalement aline charles guadeloupe > > > > cheryl_nneka@hotmail.com ("Nneka X") wrote in message news:<Sea2-F6nhdAHxNzFiPN00017b94@hotmail.com>... > > > Aline, > > > > > > Merci beaucoup pour votre offre de recherche. Si j'ai besoin d'aide avec mon > > > histoire de famille la-bas, je vais vous contacter. Pour le moment, je sais > > > que ma famille a des connections francaises, alors j'ai un petit question. > > > Savez-vous si le nom Ollivierre etait present sur le Guadeloupe entre > > > 1700-1830? Il y'a beaucoup de personnes de cette famille sur Bequia, St > > > Vincent qui peut tracer ses racines au France, Grenade, ou Portugal. Je > > > pense aussi que l'ancienne famille Ollivierre a un connection avec les > > > Gerauds/Girauds de Grenade. > > > > > > Merci, > > > > > > Cheryl Hazell > > > Toronto > > > recherche encore Hazell, Ollivierre, Adams > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* > > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > For information on individual islands, research aids, island bulletin boards or history please visit the CaribbeanGenWeb project at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~caribgw/

Jim this is interesting: why did the Presbyterian Church disappear from St. Vincent? When my father was posted there in 1949 as a Methodist minister, the Governor (Administrator strictly speaking) was a Presbyterian, but came to the Methodist Church as there was no Presbyterian one, and he tended to go to the Anglican Church only for official occasions. Was there a financial/sexual scandal 100 years earlier? Ernest M. Wiltshire -----Original Message----- From: James W Cropper [mailto:jameswcropper@sympatico.ca] Subject: East Indian Indenture Immigration W.I. /St. Vincent Presbyterian Church. ". The Presbyterian Church on St. Vincent appears to have "imploded" in the 1850's perhaps due to the Minister's involvement in women or money or both ... but I digress.

From: A new lister I am researching the Lawrences/Laurences who settled in St Martin/St Maarten in the early 1800's, and hoping to find someone who has more information on them. We have been able to trace them back to 1804 and here is what we have on them so far: Thomas Lawrence-B ??, M: Jane Bryan Their son: Thomas Lawrence-B:1804 in St Martin, M: Sarah Bryan Their sons: Edward S. Lawrence B: 1840 in St Martin, M: Susanne Catherine Vlaun George Thomas Lawrence B: 1830 in St Martin, M: Anne Louisa Gumbs John Charles Lawrence B: 1837 in St Martin, M: Marie Louisa Becker William Lawrence B: ??......not married The story handed down from family is that the original settler was a mariner trading between Boston and the Caribbean, or England to Boston to the Caribbean. Will be glad to hear from anyone who has more info, or is researching St Martin, or knows where we can find more information about St Martin's settlers and mariners. Jeanine Lawrence Dean de Freitas wrote: > Greetings listers, > > I wanted to post a message before now, but have been playing catch-up > since my return. > > First of all, I had a great time in Barbados. It's was my second visit > to the island, and I highly recommend it as a vacation spot. More > importantly to this list, I had a great experience doing some family > research. I'll share that experience in a separate post. > > Now for some quick administrative notes: > > Thanks to everyone, especially Richard Allicock, for the postings of > bibliographies related to different ethic groups. This is a great > resource, and if no one has any objection, I'll compile them and put > them up on the CaribGenWeb site. If anyone already has them compiled > in one place, I would appreciate you sharing it with me to save me some > time and effort. > > A word about list etiquette. The List is remarkably tranquil and > on-topic most of the time. I have nothing to do with that fact. It is > due entirely to you - the listers - and your courteous and respectful > attitudes, coupled with a genuine thirst for knowledge in the subject > of West Indian history and genealogy. So please, be mindful of how > your words may come across to others with regards to their personal > feelings. I am NOT suggesting that we hold back on debating issues - > quite the contrary. Civilized debate is the highest form of learning, > IMHO. All I ask is that we refrain from personal "attacks", real or > unintended. Furthermore, if you feel that you have been slighted in > some way, email the offender personally to explain your feelings, > rather than respond in kind on the List. I have no doubt, knowing the > caliber of people on this List, that the offense was most likely > unintended, and an apology would be forthcoming. > > Lastly, there was a question about the USVI site. The site has been > abandoned by it's coordinator, and I working with Rootsweb to regain > access. Along those lines, I am looking for Coordinators for > Montserrat, St. Vincent, US Virgin Islands, and the Turks and Caicos. > I have someone who recently volunteered to run the Bahamas site. > Again, I am willing to do the technical work on these sites, I just > need someone to gather the data and field queries to the Coordinator. > > Best to everyone. > > Dean > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > all messages posted to CARIBBEAN-L are archived at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Before posting a query, see if the question has already been asked