On 6/10/03 8:21 AM, "Jan Bousse" <boussejan@pandora.be> wrote: > In the 1817 slave register, T 71/33, she lists 47 slaves. The name of the > property is not mentioned, but in the Almanack 1821 and subsequent editions, > she is listed as the owner of Bishop's Mount, St. Mary. What struck me is > that many of her slaves, mainly the African ones, have received a Christian > name Campbell, which I suppose means that they were baptised, probably on > the property. For a number of years I've been attempting to research the illusive (maternal) CAMPBELL branch of my 'family tree' from the area around Jackson, St. Mary. Oral history names the oldest ancestor as a Henry (Fox) CAMPBELL -- the nickname "Fox" was for the color of his hair. Oral account also said that Henry was from Scotland. Henry is said to have owned (and sold during his life time) property in/at Palmetto Grove. He married a Elizabeth RAMSEY (mother's name WILLIAMSON -- ancestors from England) of mixed race and they had six children (including Ronald Alexander, Sylvia, Aubrey James, Leonard, and Mary. My mother (of mixed race, now 85 years of age and who grew up in St Mary) recalls, as a child, references to black CAMPBELL and white CAMPBELL. Jan's research seem to confirm oral accounts that the two 'camps' were descendants of slave owners and slaves but not necessarily blood relations -- although there were a number of those. Any assistance in tracing Henry CAMPBELL would be appreciated. -- Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people -- Unless you're talking genealogy.

Nice to know our resident wit is back

I know a Dr. Lawrence from Nevis.

On my white fathers side I am descended from the Lawrences of Groton Massachusetts.

I did not realize that there were Indians named Busby in India. I believe fom family stories that he was part of the group on Nevis. There is a recollection of being in an insurrection around h right year. The story doesn't say where that insurrection was. We know he also worked in St. Kitts and married someone on Statia before he finally settled on St. Croix. Our relatives who remained on Statia were named Busby too. When my cousin Michael Fields organized a family runion the big sign said Alfred and Grace Busby. Various family member also use Busbee and Bushby. There is an unrelated family of Indians named Busby descended from someone on the St. Croix India boat who took the name of a Scottish family which stood godparent to them on St. Croix.

I can send you a ca. 1700 St. Croix map that will show the plantation and who owned it at the time, let me know if that will help. Ann ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Matt" <mattfenske@boink.net> Reply-To: CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com To: CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: Estate two friends on St.Croix Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 07:36:17 -0700 I just noticed that the map, http://www.seasprayshores.com/maps.htm , which shows Mahogany Rd., is labelled "76" in two places. Two Friends is above the label to the right. "Matt" <mattfenske@boink.net> wrote in message news:3ee9e156$1_5@corp.newsgroups.com... > You will find it on this topo map. > http://www.pressenter.com/~inews/maps/SCmapBt.gif > > Also go to: http://www.seasprayshores.com/maps.htm > This map does not show Two Friends but if you look at the West End map you > will see a road labelled "76". That is Mahogany Rd. and Two Friends is just > above (and a little to the left of) the "76" label. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Orstcroix" <orstcroix@aol.com> > Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.west-indies > Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 7:19 PM > Subject: Estate two friends on St.Croix > > > > Hello: > > > > anyone know where exactly is estate two friends on ST.CROIX > > > > > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- > http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== The CARIBBEAN-L FAQ can be found at http://www.rootsweb.com/~caribgw/mailinglistfaq.htm. "Sharing the information." _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

Hey Chris, Pennies (from heaven) turn up just when you need them, glad to have you back! Ann ----Original Message Follows---- From: christopher codrington <chriscod@comcast.net> Reply-To: CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com To: CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE:Helloooooooooo out there! Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 10:59:54 -0400 Hi listers After great travail (still ongoing) I now have a new internet connection and e-mail address and hope to hear from each of my much missed correspondents and associates from Carib-L Special thanks to all of you who have written me letters.....a few really touched me and I had a moment of "I did that??????) in a very special way....thanks Hey James! Hey WhaleWoman! Hi Dorothy Hi .....(senior moment dominant!) How are each and all? How goes the list? It will take time to come up to speed, but hope you all will indulge me in some catching up Kind regards to all ChrisCod C.M. Codrington("american version # 1952) Editor: Carib GenWeb "Historic Antigua and Barbuda" web-site Co-Administrator: Carribean-L@rootsweb.com Member: Barbados Museum Historical Society, Museum of Antigua and Barbuda Historical and Archaeological Society. Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release Date: 6/20/02 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.373 / Virus Database: 208 - Release Date: 7/1/02 ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== For information on individual islands, research aids, island bulletin boards or history please visit the CaribbeanGenWeb project at http://www.rootsweb.com/~caribgw/ "Sharing the information." _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

Welcome back, Chris I think Cindy is down in the Grenadines chasing whales or something so you may not get a response from her for a while.

No problem Chris, would love to have you back. I'll contact you off list with details. Dean ----- Original Message ----- From: "christopher codrington" <chriscod@comcast.net> To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 11:02 PM Subject: RE: Helloooooooooo out there! > Hi Dean > > I had meant to write directly to you tonight but you beat me to it. Thanks > for the welcome > > If you wish would be pleased to resume former role as co admin for the list > if this does not displace anyone > Otherwise will help as time permits in other ways > I have yet to reassemble my reference library and papers here so am somewhat > limited but as focus on the subject nudges memory should be able to get back > to speed

I just noticed that the map, http://www.seasprayshores.com/maps.htm , which shows Mahogany Rd., is labelled "76" in two places. Two Friends is above the label to the right. "Matt" <mattfenske@boink.net> wrote in message news:3ee9e156$1_5@corp.newsgroups.com... > You will find it on this topo map. > http://www.pressenter.com/~inews/maps/SCmapBt.gif > > Also go to: http://www.seasprayshores.com/maps.htm > This map does not show Two Friends but if you look at the West End map you > will see a road labelled "76". That is Mahogany Rd. and Two Friends is just > above (and a little to the left of) the "76" label. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Orstcroix" <orstcroix@aol.com> > Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.west-indies > Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 7:19 PM > Subject: Estate two friends on St.Croix > > > > Hello: > > > > anyone know where exactly is estate two friends on ST.CROIX > > > > > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- > http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =-----

You will find it on this topo map. http://www.pressenter.com/~inews/maps/SCmapBt.gif Also go to: http://www.seasprayshores.com/maps.htm This map does not show Two Friends but if you look at the West End map you will see a road labelled "76". That is Mahogany Rd. and Two Friends is just above (and a little to the left of) the "76" label. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Orstcroix" <orstcroix@aol.com> Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.west-indies Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 7:19 PM Subject: Estate two friends on St.Croix > Hello: > > anyone know where exactly is estate two friends on ST.CROIX -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =-----

unsubscribe ----- Original Message ----- From: <CARIBBEAN-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <CARIBBEAN-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 9:59 PM Subject: CARIBBEAN-D Digest V03 #171

Hello: anyone know where exactly is estate two friends on ST.CROIX

I have been intrigued by the diversity of evidence provided by the various publications quoted. At first sight, most of them give the appearance of being authoritative, and yet here and there contradictions appear, and I suspect a similarity with problems I have discovered in my researches into the Corps of Colonial Marines, raised in the US in the War of 1812 and later settled in Trinidad. For eighteen months after the war and before going to Trinidad they formed part of the garrison of the Royal Naval Dockyard at Bermuda, and many of them worked on the construction of the dockyard, some as labourers, others as skilled artisans. (When they left, the first convicts to be transported to Bermuda took over the work.) Almost all the histories of Bermuda give an erroneous view of the origins of the Corps, whose personnel are confused with various other Blacks, both slave and free, who worked in and on the dockyard. I found that several authors quoted the memoirs of the first Superintendent of the Dockyard, Dunsier, and you would have thought he would have got it right, but if the quotations are correct, then he was widely off the mark. The oddity of this became less when I found his memoirs were written much later, possibly after his retirement, when the documents of record - correspondence, pay sheets, musters - had no doubt long been despatched to the Navy Board in London, and what was a minor episode in the prolonged saga of the building of the Dockyard (and concerning Blacks, whom he lumped all together, free men and slaves, both "King's Slaves" and those hired from island slaveholders) had to be recalled without, probably, recourse to his own original documents. Because I have ploughed through those of the documents that are preserved in the National Archives in London (PRO) I can see that Dunsier's memory appears to have served him badly, but as he was the Superintendent at the time of the sojourn of the Colonial Marines, he was evidently the proper authority for later Bermudian historians to turn to, and each successive republication of his error has been treated as authority for the next. This is a common phenomenon in historical writing generally, and it seems very much to me that Vincentian nutmeg has been ground up somewhat in the same mill of history. John Weiss http://homepage.virgin.net/john.weiss/trinidad/trinidad.html ----- Original Message ----- From: <neil@peter.com.au> To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 5:07 AM Subject: Oh No - Not more on Nutmegs!!! : Have just found my copy of "The St Vincent Botanic Gardens 1765 - 1965. : A Brief Historical Pamphlet Commemorating the 200th Anniversary of the : oldest Botanic Garden in the Western Hemisphere." : : It is only 5 pages (with picture) so if anybody is interested I will : gladly scan it and send it to them. Send me a private email. : : It states "In 1779 St Vincent surrendered to the French. During 1780-83 : the gardens had an unexpected benefactor in the French : Commander-in-Chief in Martinique - General de Bouille. He was a keen : botanist too and struck up a warm friendship with Dr George Young - : which resulted in many fruitful exchanges of plants. : In 1783 St Vincent was returned to the British under the Treaty of : Versailles. In that year too Dr Alexander Anderson succeeded Dr Young. : He like his predecessor, did invaluable work in enhancing the beauty and : utility of the gardens ......... : : Anderson's fruitful relationship with General de Bouille continued and : in 1791 specimens of black pepper and nutmeg were received from French : Guiana." : : (Note that the "e" in Bouille is "e" acute.) : : In another pamphlet (A History of the Botanic Garden of St Vincent, : British West Indies by Richard A. Howard, reprinted from The : Geographical Review, Volume XLIV, No. 3, 1954, Pages 381-393) I have : found another reference "In 1791 Anderson made a trip to French Guiana : and returned with many plants for the St Vincent garden, among them the : true black pepper and two plants of the nutmeg. In reports to the Royal : Society he expressed the hope that the nutmegs would be male and female, : and later his delight when they flowered and were. However, a short time : afterward the female tree died, and 18 years passed before Anderson : obtained another one. It is now believed that all the nutmegs so : important in the economy of Trinidad and St Vincent are progeny of those : originally introduced by Dr Anderson." : : Neil. : : : ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== : all messages posted to CARIBBEAN-L are archived at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ : Before posting a query, see if the question has already been asked : :

Welcome back Chris! On Friday, June 2, 2000, at 10:59 AM, christopher codrington wrote: > Hi listers > > After great travail (still ongoing) I now have a new internet > connection and > e-mail address and hope to hear from each of my much missed > correspondents > and associates from Carib-L > > Special thanks to all of you who have written me letters.....a few > really > touched me and I had a moment of "I did that??????) in a very special > way....thanks > > Hey James! Hey WhaleWoman! Hi Dorothy Hi .....(senior moment dominant!) > > How are each and all? > > How goes the list? > > It will take time to come up to speed, but hope you all will indulge > me in > some catching up > > Kind regards to all > > ChrisCod >

----- Original Message ----- Richard Bond, wrote: Monday, June 09, 2003 6:33 AM > A name ending in +sing is liklely to be Sikh if Indian and based on a > personal name plus (Turobun) Singh Comment: An interesting observation in light of the fact that maybe all Singhs, (those who descended from the indentured before 1930), in the West Indies are Hindus. > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > all messages posted to CARIBBEAN-L are archived at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Before posting a query, see if the question has already been asked > >

Hello I am very new to your List as I have just received new information on my family. I may not be on the correct List so any direction would be appreciated. Dr Murdoch MacLeod was born in North Uist, Scotland about 1784/85. He married Marion MacQueen about 1815-1817 and all I know is that they went to the West Indies. Their daughter (Marion MacLeod) was born there about 1818 and I believe the mother died. Dr Murdoch returned with the daughter to North Uist and he died there on March 3, 1822 and left the daughter (about age 4) in the care of his brother, Dr Alexander MacLeod. Dr. Murdoch MacLeod and Marion (MacQueen) MacLeod are my 3x g-grandparents and their daughter is my 2x g-grandmother. So far, there is nothing that tells me where they went in the West Indies except that Dr Donald MacQueen (surgeon) died in Jamaica on January 7, 1819. Any direction would be helpful. Thank You Lorraine Ottawa, Canada

My new e-mail address is dalba@sympatico.ca Alba Dunlop

Have just found my copy of "The St Vincent Botanic Gardens 1765 - 1965. A Brief Historical Pamphlet Commemorating the 200th Anniversary of the oldest Botanic Garden in the Western Hemisphere." It is only 5 pages (with picture) so if anybody is interested I will gladly scan it and send it to them. Send me a private email. It states "In 1779 St Vincent surrendered to the French. During 1780-83 the gardens had an unexpected benefactor in the French Commander-in-Chief in Martinique - General de Bouille. He was a keen botanist too and struck up a warm friendship with Dr George Young - which resulted in many fruitful exchanges of plants. In 1783 St Vincent was returned to the British under the Treaty of Versailles. In that year too Dr Alexander Anderson succeeded Dr Young. He like his predecessor, did invaluable work in enhancing the beauty and utility of the gardens ......... Anderson's fruitful relationship with General de Bouille continued and in 1791 specimens of black pepper and nutmeg were received from French Guiana." (Note that the "e" in Bouille is "e" acute.) In another pamphlet (A History of the Botanic Garden of St Vincent, British West Indies by Richard A. Howard, reprinted from The Geographical Review, Volume XLIV, No. 3, 1954, Pages 381-393) I have found another reference "In 1791 Anderson made a trip to French Guiana and returned with many plants for the St Vincent garden, among them the true black pepper and two plants of the nutmeg. In reports to the Royal Society he expressed the hope that the nutmegs would be male and female, and later his delight when they flowered and were. However, a short time afterward the female tree died, and 18 years passed before Anderson obtained another one. It is now believed that all the nutmegs so important in the economy of Trinidad and St Vincent are progeny of those originally introduced by Dr Anderson." Neil.

In a recent competition run by us in conjunction with the New Nation newspaper in the UK, two of the Black British winners shared the same specific motherline in Africa. One had a background in Jamaica, the other in Barbados. The New Nation is not online, but for the fascinating story of their meeting (and others), see the website www.rootsforreal.com and look at Press. Gavin Heys