Bonjour Monifa, Le nom de Famille ZINGUE en Guadeloupe ? Je vais regarder, mais je ne pense pas avoir déja vu de ZINGUE. A bientot Aline Charles. "Monifa" <monie4nothin@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<vdl7chccakik1d@corp.supernews.com>... > Salut Aline. J'habite en la Rue. Thomas. La partie de ma recherche de > généalogie est la famille de ZINGUE de Rue. Barts. Je me demande s'il y > avait n'importe quel Zingue dans Guadeloupe? Ferait vous faites un me > cherche s'il vous plaît. Beaucoup apprécié, Monifa (la Rue. Thomas, les > Etats-Unis les Iles Vierges) > > > > "aline" <s.charles@ool.fr> wrote in message > news:25840f05.0305240353.6129dd3f@posting.google.com... > > Bonjour richard > > Non, je n'ai pas de question(merci), je propose mon aide tout > > simplement, j'aime la généalogie et rendre service. > > merci > > Aline charles bénévole FGW et fil d'Arine 971. > > richwyn@idirect.com ("Richard Allicock") wrote in message > news:<00fb01c3218e$f5d119a0$16049ad8@oemcomputer>... > > > Cher Aline, > > > > > > Avez-vous une question? > > > > > > Richard > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "aline" <s.charles@ool.fr> > > > To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 1:22 PM > > > Subject: je peux faire des recheches Guadeloupe > > > > > > > > > > J'habite en guadeloupe et je peux faire quelque recherche mais je ne > > > > parle pas anglais,ni ecris. > > > > Amicalement aline charles Guadeloupe > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > > > > ROOTSWEB MAILING LIST HELP PAGES > > > > What is a Mailing List? > > > > http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/help/mail1.html > > > > > > > >

Dear Sara, Since you are a beginner in all this, why not research the sources that the pros on the list are generously giving you. Trust us, most of the African slaves from the 1600-1800s came from WEST AFRICA. Alex Haley was just one man who found his roots. But his roots are just that, his. There are a lot of other roots to research. Of course, there were slaves throughout the history of the world from other countries, so there is much research to be done. Check out these sites for a beginning: http://www.sscnet.ucla.edu/classes/cluster22/lectures/lecture3/sld010.htm http://africanhistory.about.com/library/weekly/aa120701a.htm http://www.liu.edu/cwis/cwp/library/aaslavry.htm#trade http://www.beyondbooks.org/slavery/tasks.htm http://www.beyondbooks.org/slavery/images/africanmap2.jpg http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/2757525.stm#map Nevilla E. Ottley Sara Weiss wrote: >Ann, as I have already discussed elsewhere, look at Alex Haley's Epilogue to his "Roots". He researches the ship that carried his forefather, Kunte Kinta from Gambia - it went straight to America. As far as I have ever heard, slave ships went there from Africa regularly. IN the book "Roots" the question of which slaves went to the Caribbean comes up. Apparently, it was the unteachable slaves who were often transported there. But also, I have this info that slaves from Ethiopia went straight there and stayed there. > >Why else was there such a large Jewish population of, for instance, Jamaica? Why are Jews so prevalent there - except in Anguilla the island at which I am looking . There, Jews have become Christian at least in namesake. > >But I am a beginner in all this. I only repeat what I have learned so far, but it doesn't correspond to what you are saying. > >Regards, > >Sara >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ann Whiting" <aqw8326@hotmail.com> >To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2003 11:41 PM >Subject: Re: MSNBC News Link: DNA tackles a familys mysteries > > >>Dear Sara, >>I have long been shouting in the wilderness, that slave ships/slaves did not >>arrive in the US via non stop cruses, but were first sold in in Caribbean. >>Seasoning is not something that is mentioned, or hardly ever mentioned when >>Slavery is discussed. That was a period of breaking the newly captured >>slaves. If they had the misfortune to survive the crossing, they were first >>broken in the islands. >>The misconception of the Triangle trade is that slaves were acquired in >>Africa, ships stopped in the Caribbean for provisions and rum and then >>proceeded to the US. The truth is , newly captured slaves were sold in the >>Caribbean, and 'Seasoned' slaves were bought, then taken to the US for >>resale. >>Every African American has an African Caribbean connection. >>Records show that that St. Thomas and Curacao were major Seasoning Markets, >>as the Dutch, owned plantation on these islands, and owned the Forts in >>Africa, and the ships they did not have to use a middleman. >>So the possibility of a caribbean connection is not that far-fetched. >>A Jewish connection is also possible as Brandenburg Company which managed >>these stations were started and financed by Portuguese Jews from Bergen and >>Gluckstadt. >>In genealogy one must keep an open mind and expected the unexpected. >>Ann >> >> >>----Original Message Follows---- >>From: "Sara Weiss" <ksara@tesco.net> >>Reply-To: CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com >>To: CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com >>Subject: Re: MSNBC News Link: DNA tackles a familys mysteries >>Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 23:04:05 +0100 >> >>I'll tell you something else. Although I am mad keen to find out my Jewish >>ancestry, possibly thro DNA - but unlikely according to Richard, thanks >>Richard for saving me time and trouble - I have two black ancestors too. >> >>Accounts for my very frizzy hair and love of music mayhaps! Reading >>"Roots" by Alex Haley has now, more than this website, made me start to >>wonder about them. One was a slave who bought his freedom - West Indies or >>America I do not know. The other was from the Caribbean but I do not know >>where. My husband and I are similar in looks and he and some of my children >>have the same features. His whole family are from Anguilla BWI and so one >>wonders if there is a Black connection . Are we descended from the same >>line. >> >>All slaves in the Caribbean came from Ethiopa - Christian ?Muslim and Jewish >>(Falasha). But, he is also Jewish, so we may have descended from the same >>person, way way back, in Israel. But then how could the appearance be so >>similar after 3,000 years!!! The black line is more probable. But the >>likelihood of my ancestors coming also from Anguilla is almost prepostrous. >>Who knows? You'd need to be rich to find out!! >> >>One just keeps these things under one;s hat but nothing much can be done to >>find out more - unless one is the subject of some far out TV documentary!!! >> >>However, I am just pleased to be part of all this, in a sort of 'inner' way. >> Know what I mean? >> >>Sara Weiss >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: <richwyn@idirect.com> >>To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 11:44 PM >>Subject: MSNBC News Link: DNA tackles a familys mysteries >> >> >> > Richard Allicock sent you this MSNBC News Link: >> > >> > Message: >> > Sara Weisss re-appearane on the DNA Issue was quite timely. Here is an >>MSNBC account of some-one trying to use DNA to fill the gaps in his reearch. >> There is also a link to the African Genetics for Genealogy company, >>Afrigenesis for those who are interested. Richard >> > >> > ** DNA tackles a familys mysteries ** >> > DNA testing is adding a scientific twist to the search for family roots, >>one of the worlds most popular pursuits. Follow MSNBCs Alan Boyle on the >>genetic trail. >> > >> > http://www.msnbc.com/modules/exports/ct_email.asp?/news/682153.asp >> > >> > ______________________________________________________________________ >> > Check out the hour's top stories on MSNBC.com <http://www.msnbc.com> >> > >> > MSNBC does not confirm the E-mail address of the sender of this MSNBC >>News Link. For your information, the sender's IP Address is: 207.46.245.18 >> > >> > >> > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== >> > For information on individual islands, research aids, island bulletin >>boards or history please visit the CaribbeanGenWeb project at >> > http://www.rootsweb.com/~caribgw/ >> > >> >> >>==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== >>Before posting a query, check to see if the question has already been asked >>on the List. All messages posted to CARIBBEAN-L are archived by date or >>thread at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/CARIBBEAN. You can search >>the archives at >>http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=CARIBBEAN. >> >> >> >>"Sharing the information." >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* >>http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail >> >> >>==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== >>For information on individual islands, research aids, island bulletin boards or history please visit the CaribbeanGenWeb project at >>http://www.rootsweb.com/~caribgw/ >> > > >==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== >For information on individual islands, research aids, island bulletin boards or history please visit the CaribbeanGenWeb project at >http://www.rootsweb.com/~caribgw/ > >

Sara..... Maybe I am missing the point here, but one of the reasons for a 'large Jewish population' in Jamaica could be because they were Spanish and Portuguese Jews who fled the Inquisition.......and while some of them stayed catholic (conversos), others reverted back. And I, personally, have my reservations on Alex Haley's 'discovery' of his African roots. Having seen Jamaican slave journals, I find it rather hard to believe that he actually found his ancestors. Not enough information in the journals....and their names were English ones given by the owners. Not their African ones......but I could be wrong. Perhaps in his case, there was enough 'oral' history......but I would have to be convinced. I just thought I would throw this out for discussion.......DQ, you listening? Cheers....Heather > Ann, as I have already discussed elsewhere, look at Alex Haley's Epilogue to his "Roots". He researches the ship that carried his forefather, Kunte Kinta from Gambia - it went straight to America. As far as I have ever heard, slave ships went there from Africa regularly. IN the book "Roots" the question of which slaves went to the Caribbean comes up. Apparently, it was the unteachable slaves who were often transported there. But also, I have this info that slaves from Ethiopia went straight there and stayed there. > > Why else was there such a large Jewish population of, for instance, Jamaica? Why are Jews so prevalent there - except in Anguilla the island at which I am looking . There, Jews have become Christian at least in namesake. > > But I am a beginner in all this. I only repeat what I have learned so far, but it doesn't correspond to what you are saying. > > Regards, > > Sara > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ann Whiting" <aqw8326@hotmail.com> > To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2003 11:41 PM > Subject: Re: MSNBC News Link: DNA tackles a familys mysteries > > > > Dear Sara, > > I have long been shouting in the wilderness, that slave ships/slaves did not > > arrive in the US via non stop cruses, but were first sold in in Caribbean. > > Seasoning is not something that is mentioned, or hardly ever mentioned when > > Slavery is discussed. That was a period of breaking the newly captured > > slaves. If they had the misfortune to survive the crossing, they were first > > broken in the islands. > > The misconception of the Triangle trade is that slaves were acquired in > > Africa, ships stopped in the Caribbean for provisions and rum and then > > proceeded to the US. The truth is , newly captured slaves were sold in the > > Caribbean, and 'Seasoned' slaves were bought, then taken to the US for > > resale. > > Every African American has an African Caribbean connection. > > Records show that that St. Thomas and Curacao were major Seasoning Markets, > > as the Dutch, owned plantation on these islands, and owned the Forts in > > Africa, and the ships they did not have to use a middleman. > > So the possibility of a caribbean connection is not that far-fetched. > > A Jewish connection is also possible as Brandenburg Company which managed > > these stations were started and financed by Portuguese Jews from Bergen and > > Gluckstadt. > > In genealogy one must keep an open mind and expected the unexpected. > > Ann > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > From: "Sara Weiss" <ksara@tesco.net> > > Reply-To: CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com > > To: CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: MSNBC News Link: DNA tackles a familys mysteries > > Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 23:04:05 +0100 > > > > I'll tell you something else. Although I am mad keen to find out my Jewish > > ancestry, possibly thro DNA - but unlikely according to Richard, thanks > > Richard for saving me time and trouble - I have two black ancestors too. > > > > Accounts for my very frizzy hair and love of music mayhaps! Reading > > "Roots" by Alex Haley has now, more than this website, made me start to > > wonder about them. One was a slave who bought his freedom - West Indies or > > America I do not know. The other was from the Caribbean but I do not know > > where. My husband and I are similar in looks and he and some of my children > > have the same features. His whole family are from Anguilla BWI and so one > > wonders if there is a Black connection . Are we descended from the same > > line. > > > > All slaves in the Caribbean came from Ethiopa - Christian ?Muslim and Jewish > > (Falasha). But, he is also Jewish, so we may have descended from the same > > person, way way back, in Israel. But then how could the appearance be so > > similar after 3,000 years!!! The black line is more probable. But the > > likelihood of my ancestors coming also from Anguilla is almost prepostrous. > > Who knows? You'd need to be rich to find out!! > > > > One just keeps these things under one;s hat but nothing much can be done to > > find out more - unless one is the subject of some far out TV documentary!!! > > > > However, I am just pleased to be part of all this, in a sort of 'inner' way. > > Know what I mean? > > > > Sara Weiss > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <richwyn@idirect.com> > > To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 11:44 PM > > Subject: MSNBC News Link: DNA tackles a familys mysteries > > > > > > > Richard Allicock sent you this MSNBC News Link: > > > > > > Message: > > > Sara Weisss re-appearane on the DNA Issue was quite timely. Here is an > > MSNBC account of some-one trying to use DNA to fill the gaps in his reearch. > > There is also a link to the African Genetics for Genealogy company, > > Afrigenesis for those who are interested. Richard > > > > > > ** DNA tackles a familys mysteries ** > > > DNA testing is adding a scientific twist to the search for family roots, > > one of the worlds most popular pursuits. Follow MSNBCs Alan Boyle on the > > genetic trail. > > > > > > http://www.msnbc.com/modules/exports/ct_email.asp?/news/682153.asp > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > Check out the hour's top stories on MSNBC.com <http://www.msnbc.com> > > > > > > MSNBC does not confirm the E-mail address of the sender of this MSNBC > > News Link. For your information, the sender's IP Address is: 207.46.245.18 > > > > > > > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > > > For information on individual islands, research aids, island bulletin > > boards or history please visit the CaribbeanGenWeb project at > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~caribgw/ > > > > > > > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > > Before posting a query, check to see if the question has already been asked > > on the List. All messages posted to CARIBBEAN-L are archived by date or > > thread at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/CARIBBEAN. You can search > > the archives at > > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=CARIBBEAN. > > > > > > > > "Sharing the information." > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > > For information on individual islands, research aids, island bulletin boards or history please visit the CaribbeanGenWeb project at > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~caribgw/ > > > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > For information on individual islands, research aids, island bulletin boards or history please visit the CaribbeanGenWeb project at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~caribgw/ >

I have just 2 observations to add to this thread. I have gone over the parish records in St. Patrick's Grenada from 1860 to 1931 as they exist on the LDS microfilms. Concerning East Indians in the latter part of the 19th: in the 1870s and 1880s about 50% of the baptisms were for East Indian children and adults; the reason that I know this is that the parish records clearly label these people as either "coolie" or "native of Calcutta" or something similar. On Mon, 16 Jun 2003 03:29:29 +0000 (UTC), richwyn@idirect.com ("Richard Allicock") wrote: >I found James Cropper's posting, which I have edited below, very interesting >and very re-freshing compared to the British Guiana experience and maybe >that of Trinidad and Jamaica. I will leave others on the list knowledgeable >about the situation in the last two countries to say what the situation was >there. But in British Guiana, where the London Missionary Society had gotten >a foot-hold before slavery was abolished, and since the LMS was the local >arm of the Abolitionists movement, the LMS did not take kindly to the >arrival of the East Indians. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>SNIP>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Does anyone know from which parts of France predominantly did French settlers to Grenada and St Vincent and the Grenadines come? I'm looking at the surnames Patrice, Cordice, DeRoche and Ollivierre (Portugal is another country I'm researching for this particular name). Cheryl Hazell Toronto, ON _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

Nevilla, I have recently added three Ottley names to my tree. They are William Anthony Ottley who married (Mary) Francais Ollivierre on May 30, 1838 at St Georges's Cathedral, Kingstown, St Vincent. She would have been 23 yrs old or a bit older at the time. They had a daughter named Mary Francis Ottley b. 1839(I have a nice photo of her circa 1860) who in turn had a daughter with Edward Hume Ollivierre named Margaret Elizabeth Ottley b. 1867. Margaret was known as Aunt Asse (pronounced As-say) and probably took her mother's last name because her parents weren't married. (Edward later married Catherine Cephos Simmons and had nine legitimate children) Does any of this ring a bell? Where did your Ottleys come from? I'm not sure where William Ottley was from. Cheryl still searching Hazell etc...and new Bequia names being added almost every day. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus

Dear Cheryl, Just about any Ottley in the Caribbean would ring a bell, since the Ottleys went there, and worked their way down from St. Christophers (St. Kitts) Island, to Antigua and Barbuda, Barbados, Dominica, St. Vincent, the Grenadines, Grenada, Tobago, and in the latter 1800s Trinidad. The name William is definitely an Ottley name, as is Margaret, and Elizabeth. That William Anthony Ottley who married in 1838, would have been born sometime before 1818. There is a William Ottley (1797-1820) who was buried in St. Vincent. He was the son of Drewry Ottley (1755-1805) who was born in Antigua, and served as the President and Chief Justice of St. Vincent. Drewry's half brother was William Young Ottley (1770-1836, whose son, William Campbell was born in 1808 (info from the Diary of Mary Young, sister of Richard Ottley's second wife, from the Ottley Pedigrees from the National Library of Wales, and V. L. Oliver's "The History of the Island of Antigua.....". My tree does not have a marriage or any children listed for William Ottley (1797-1820), but William Anthony could have been his child as far as the time line. How are you related to them? We'll have to do some more research. Jim Cropper, please jump in on this. Sincerely, Nevilla E. Ottley Nneka X wrote: > Nevilla, > > I have recently added three Ottley names to my tree. They are William > Anthony Ottley who married (Mary) Francais Ollivierre on May 30, 1838 > at St Georges's Cathedral, Kingstown, St Vincent. She would have been > 23 yrs old or a bit older at the time. They had a daughter named Mary > Francis Ottley b. 1839(I have a nice photo of her circa 1860) who in > turn had a daughter with Edward Hume Ollivierre named Margaret > Elizabeth Ottley b. 1867. Margaret was known as Aunt Asse (pronounced > As-say) and probably took her mother's last name because her parents > weren't married. (Edward later married Catherine Cephos Simmons and > had nine legitimate children) > > Does any of this ring a bell? Where did your Ottleys come from? I'm > not sure where William Ottley was from. > > Cheryl > still searching Hazell etc...and new Bequia names being added almost > every day. > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > ROOTSWEB MAILING LIST HELP PAGES > What is a Mailing List? > http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/help/mail1.html > > ################################################################# ################################################################# ################################################################# ##### ##### ##### ################################################################# ################################################################# #################################################################

I found James Cropper's posting, which I have edited below, very interesting and very re-freshing compared to the British Guiana experience and maybe that of Trinidad and Jamaica. I will leave others on the list knowledgeable about the situation in the last two countries to say what the situation was there. But in British Guiana, where the London Missionary Society had gotten a foot-hold before slavery was abolished, and since the LMS was the local arm of the Abolitionists movement, the LMS did not take kindly to the arrival of the East Indians. In fact, like the abolitionists, they had opposed the introduction Indentureship on the grounds of a New Slavery. This was all well and good, but their sentiments towards the East Indians, was inculcated by the ex-slaves and their descendants, and I think did a great deal of harm in regard to the relationships between the two races. The East Indians were seen as Heathens, and the ex-slaves who were being Christianised were preached upon against associating with the Heathens and about their Heathen practices. To be fair, the Missionaries all over the world did the same, even when the Heathen were the unchristianised fellow natives of whatever territories the missionaries were in. But in a situation where the ex-slaves already felt that the East Indians and other Indentured were taking their jobs and hence the food out of their mouths, the preachings of the Missionaries did lasting harm. One can only imagine what may have been said about the Catholic and hence Popish and Idolatrous Portuguese/Madeirans. And yet boys will be boys, and it was much to chagrin of the missionaries, when the young children and young adults started tagging along behid the Hindus when they celebrated their Festivals. Very soon certain festivals were banned, for being disruptive to the work schedule on the Estates/Plantations, but one also suspects also for the exhibition of Heathenism. And then there was the matter of dress or undress. It must be remembered that by the 1840's it was already the Victorian era, with its abhorrence of public nudity. Whereas before the end of slavery slaves were routinely in some state of undress, at the end of slavery an Ordinance was passed specifying the way that males and females should be dressed. Males in shirts and trousers, females in frocks and petticoats and a head-scarf. Then along came the East Indians who could be seen in states of undress, the men clad in only loin-cloths and a "turban" and the females working bare-breasted in the fields, as the slaves had done before them. More fuel to the faggots of the Missionaries' anti-Heathen preachings. It is refreshing to see how early one of the Croppers, a lay precher with the Presbyterian Church, and Protector of Indians, jumped in to Christianise the East Indians, even going a far as learning their language. It is also not surprisising that it was the Canadian Presbyterians that led the way. It was also this group of Prebyterians that did much to Christianise and educate a significant number of East Indians to produce an anglicised East Indian middle class in British Guiana. One can also remark upon the title "Protector of Indians" mentioned by both James Cropper and Guy Grannum. In British Guiana, there had long been Protector of Indians, the Amerindians, a post begun by the Dutch and kept by the British. These Protectors were backed up by no less than the person of the Inspector-Geeral of Police. Maybe there were no Native Amerindians in St. Vincent by the time that the East Indians started to arrive, but was the title passed on from a time when there were? In British Guiana, the protector of the East Indians was the Immigration-Agent-General. One of them (James Crosby by name) did his job so well, and was so trusted by the East Indians, that many times in disputes with the Estates/Plantations, they would walk off and attempt to go and see "Crosby". Even when he was no longer there his office was known as "Crosby", and the East Indians would still want to see "Crosby" regardless of the name of successive Immigration-Agent-General. A great post James. Thanks. Richard ----- Original Message ----- From: "James W Cropper" My family on St. Vincent had interesting relationships with the new arrivals. One member Robert Porter CROPPER (1829- ?) learned to speak their language when the "coolies" started arriving in SV in 1861 ..... From Page 86 of the book :- "Called to Witness - Profiles of Canadian Presbyterians" - editor W. Stanford REID. .... He was the son of R.P. Cropper, the Protector of East Indians of St. Lucia and a lay preacher for the Presbyterian Church. James Cropper learned to speak Hindu fluently and was able, like his father, to converse directly with the new arrivals from India. He and his father had begun the Presbyterian work among the East Indians of St. Lucia; he had trained teachers and catechists there; and he had served some time as a missionary in Trinidad. Cropper, who was slightly "coloured", so impressed the Trinidad Mission Council that they sent him to Pine Hill in Halifax for theological training to prepare him to lead the Indian people of St. Lucia. ." [Pine Hill is now Dalhousie University in Dartmouth, N.S.] Arthur Charles Dayfoot. "The Shaping of the West Indian Church, 1492-1962." Gainesville: University Press of Florida, 1999. Page 197: "The [Presbyterian] mission only became permanently established in 1896, with the arrival of the Revd James B. Cropper who for forty years became such a prominent figure that even after his time it was often referred to as 'the Cropper Church.' About 1880 the government had begun to provide free land and encourage workers who had completed their indenture to settle in unoccupied areas (notably in those suitable for rice growing) rather than to return to India. Cropper, who supported this policy, was appointed as 'Superintendent of East Indian Settlement' by the government, but after some years went back to full time church work." <jameswcropper@sympatico.ca> To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 6:36 AM

Molly Bergh wrote: "I am looking for a birth of a John Henry JACKSON born in Bermuda abt 1829, and Albert Walter JACKSON born abt 1855 also in Bermuda." Hi Molly, Below you will find the books on Bermuda that you should be looking for. I have also copied this message to the Caribbean-L@rootsweb.com so that if any-one has these books they can maybe do a look-up for you. If you cannot find the books or there is no-one to do a look-up, let me know. Thanks. Richard Books: Early Bermuda wills, 1629-1835 : summarized and indexed, a genealogical reference book by Hollis Hallett, C. F. E. (Clara Frances Edith), 1926- Juniperhill Press, c1993. Bermuda index, 1784-1914 : an index of births, marriages, deaths as recorded in Bermuda newspapers by Hollis Hallett, C. F. E. (Clara Frances Edith), 1926- Juniperhill Press, c1989. ---- Original Message ----- From: "Molly Bergh" <mollybergh@wn.com.au> http://www.wn.com.au/mollybergh/mytree

Hello Joyce Thank you so much for this info of Dr Donald MacQueen. He was my 3x g-grandmother's brother, Marion (MacQueen) MacLeod. I am puzzled about what info you might have of Dr Alexander MacLeod. Don't think Murdoch's brother was ever in the West Indies although he was also a famous doctor back in Scotland. All I know of so far is that Dr Murdoch MacLeod was born about 1784 in North Uist, Scotland and Marion MacQueen was born in 1791. I can't imagine that they married much before 1812-17 and then they went to the West Indies. My 2x g-grandmother was born in the WI about 1818. I am suspecting Dr Murdoch's wife Marion died in childbirth and Dr Murdoch came back to Scotland with the child. I have a copy of Dr Murdoch's Will as he died in Scotland March 3, 1822. He left his daughter with his brother, Dr Alexander MacLeod in North Uist, Scotland. If you can add anything of this family for me, I sure would be pleased. Thanks again. Lorraine Ottawa, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce Falink" <jfalink@rconnect.com> To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: 15 June, 2003 12:46 Subject: Re: MacQueen > Lorraine, > > From "Scots in the West Indies 1707-1857" by David Dobson is the > following: > > DONALD MACQUEEN, born 1795, a surgeon, son of Reverend Edmund MacQueen, > minister in Barra, died in Jamaica 7.1.1819. > > I also have information regarding the Alexander you reference, but I ask > that you contact me off list as the family entries for this person > appear to be numerous. > > Joyce Falink > > p.s. Great to have you back, Chris!!! We've missed your pontificating > about various subjects, and, of course, your wit. > > > Subject: From Scotland to West Indies 1800+ > > Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 19:10:03 -0400 > > From: "espencer" <espencer@magma.ca> > > To: CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com > > > > Hello > > > > I am very new to your List as I have just received > > new information on my family. I may not be on the > > correct List so any direction would be appreciated. > > > > Dr Murdoch MacLeod was born in North Uist, Scotland > > about 1784/85. He married Marion MacQueen about > > 1815-1817 and all I know is that they went to the West > > Indies. Their daughter (Marion MacLeod) was born there > > about 1818 and I believe the mother died. Dr Murdoch > > returned with the daughter to North Uist and he died there > > on March 3, 1822 and left the daughter (about age 4) in > > the care of his brother, Dr Alexander MacLeod. > > Dr. Murdoch MacLeod and Marion (MacQueen) MacLeod > > are my 3x g-grandparents and their daughter is my > > 2x g-grandmother. So far, there is nothing that tells me > > where they went in the West Indies except that Dr Donald > > MacQueen (surgeon) died in Jamaica on January 7, 1819. > > Any direction would be helpful. Thank You > > Lorraine Ottawa, Canada > > > > ______________________________ > > > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from the list send the word "unsubscribe" (without the quotes) as the only text in the body of an email message to CARIBBEAN-L-request@rootsweb.com for the list mode or CARIBBEAN-D-request@rootsweb.com if you are subscribed to the digest. >

My Great Grandmother was born in Antigua in 1865. Is there any way to find records of her birth, of what her parents were doing there? Her father was from England, but I know not where or why he was in Antigua. All I know is G.Grandmothers name was Annie Maria Wood and her Father was Frederick K Wood. Her mothers name was Sophia Ladley Wood. I got this information from the death notice in the paper when she died. I know she went to CT. from Antigua when she was 16, and it stated she came to the US with her parents. Her parents seem to have vanished. Have not been able to find a trace. Thanks, C.Robinson

Hello Chris, So happy to hear you're back, and hope your 'travails' are over soon. Although I mostly just 'lurk' on this group, I've missed your contributions greatly !! Best wishes to you. Warm regards, Midge Burrowes "christopher codrington" <chriscod@comcast.net> wrote in message news:MABBKJDLBCCAOBBLJOFIOEOIDCAA.chriscod@comcast.net... > Hi listers > > After great travail (still ongoing) I now have a new internet connection and > e-mail address and hope to hear from each of my much missed correspondents > and associates from Carib-L > > Special thanks to all of you who have written me letters.....a few really > touched me and I had a moment of "I did that??????) in a very special > way....thanks > > Hey James! Hey WhaleWoman! Hi Dorothy Hi .....(senior moment dominant!) > > How are each and all? > > How goes the list? > > It will take time to come up to speed, but hope you all will indulge me in > some catching up > > Kind regards to all > > ChrisCod > > C.M. Codrington("american version # 1952) > Editor: Carib GenWeb "Historic Antigua and Barbuda" web-site > Co-Administrator: Carribean-L@rootsweb.com > Member: Barbados Museum Historical Society, > Museum of Antigua and Barbuda Historical and Archaeological Society. > > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release Date: 6/20/02 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.373 / Virus Database: 208 - Release Date: 7/1/02 >

Joyce and other Caribbean Researchers. I'm researching any of the spellings of the RENFRO, etc name in the Caribbean. Can you check "Scots in the West Indies 1707-1857" by David Dobson, please. Or recommend any other sources for locating family in the Caribbean. I have just joined the list, and have almost no knowledge of the Caribbean. Look forward to learning from all of you. Ylana Stoneyfields Ranch Remember what your elders used to say, "Birds of a feather flock together." If you're an eagle, don't hang around chickens: Chickens Can't Fly! You can't soar with the Eagles if you hoot with the hoot owls. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce Falink" <jfalink@rconnect.com> To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2003 11:46 AM Subject: Re: MacQueen | Lorraine, | | From "Scots in the West Indies 1707-1857" by David Dobson

Lorraine, From "Scots in the West Indies 1707-1857" by David Dobson is the following: DONALD MACQUEEN, born 1795, a surgeon, son of Reverend Edmund MacQueen, minister in Barra, died in Jamaica 7.1.1819. I also have information regarding the Alexander you reference, but I ask that you contact me off list as the family entries for this person appear to be numerous. Joyce Falink p.s. Great to have you back, Chris!!! We've missed your pontificating about various subjects, and, of course, your wit. Subject: From Scotland to West Indies 1800+ > Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 19:10:03 -0400 > From: "espencer" <espencer@magma.ca> > To: CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com > > Hello > > I am very new to your List as I have just received > new information on my family. I may not be on the > correct List so any direction would be appreciated. > > Dr Murdoch MacLeod was born in North Uist, Scotland > about 1784/85. He married Marion MacQueen about > 1815-1817 and all I know is that they went to the West > Indies. Their daughter (Marion MacLeod) was born there > about 1818 and I believe the mother died. Dr Murdoch > returned with the daughter to North Uist and he died there > on March 3, 1822 and left the daughter (about age 4) in > the care of his brother, Dr Alexander MacLeod. > Dr. Murdoch MacLeod and Marion (MacQueen) MacLeod > are my 3x g-grandparents and their daughter is my > 2x g-grandmother. So far, there is nothing that tells me > where they went in the West Indies except that Dr Donald > MacQueen (surgeon) died in Jamaica on January 7, 1819. > Any direction would be helpful. Thank You > Lorraine Ottawa, Canada > > ______________________________ >

Hi Listers, I am trying desperately to find information on the name DuBois in USVI. My husband's great grandfather, Captain William Hansen married a Catherine(Kathryn) Dubois. They lived in St Thomas, where William was Colonial Aide to the Governor and later Manager of the Military Hospital, in Charlotte Amalie. He came originally from Copenhagen. Their firstborn,Hans William, was born in St Thomas in 1833. William remarried in 1847, so I am presuming that Catherine DuBois died sometime prior to that year. Thank you for any information you may have. Hilda in Australia.

Thanks Ann - that is really interesting. I'll copy it into my files of Anguillan/Caribbean geneology. It may also answer my question about why my husband looks and mine are similar - or go towards explaining that anyway! I know so little of all this. Fir e.g. I have yet to uncover the mystery of T71! Where is it, can I access it on-line (when I tried to ages ago, I couldn't understand the mumbo jumbo that came up to access it!) Can I ever discover the origins of my husband;s family (Mussingtons)!! Who knows. Sadie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann Whiting" <aqw8326@hotmail.com> To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2003 11:41 PM Subject: Re: MSNBC News Link: DNA tackles a familys mysteries > Dear Sara, > I have long been shouting in the wilderness, that slave ships/slaves did not > arrive in the US via non stop cruses, but were first sold in in Caribbean. > Seasoning is not something that is mentioned, or hardly ever mentioned when > Slavery is discussed. That was a period of breaking the newly captured > slaves. If they had the misfortune to survive the crossing, they were first > broken in the islands. > The misconception of the Triangle trade is that slaves were acquired in > Africa, ships stopped in the Caribbean for provisions and rum and then > proceeded to the US. The truth is , newly captured slaves were sold in the > Caribbean, and 'Seasoned' slaves were bought, then taken to the US for > resale. > Every African American has an African Caribbean connection. > Records show that that St. Thomas and Curacao were major Seasoning Markets, > as the Dutch, owned plantation on these islands, and owned the Forts in > Africa, and the ships they did not have to use a middleman. > So the possibility of a caribbean connection is not that far-fetched. > A Jewish connection is also possible as Brandenburg Company which managed > these stations were started and financed by Portuguese Jews from Bergen and > Gluckstadt. > In genealogy one must keep an open mind and expected the unexpected. > Ann > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Sara Weiss" <ksara@tesco.net> > Reply-To: CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com > To: CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: MSNBC News Link: DNA tackles a familys mysteries > Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 23:04:05 +0100 > > I'll tell you something else. Although I am mad keen to find out my Jewish > ancestry, possibly thro DNA - but unlikely according to Richard, thanks > Richard for saving me time and trouble - I have two black ancestors too. > > Accounts for my very frizzy hair and love of music mayhaps! Reading > "Roots" by Alex Haley has now, more than this website, made me start to > wonder about them. One was a slave who bought his freedom - West Indies or > America I do not know. The other was from the Caribbean but I do not know > where. My husband and I are similar in looks and he and some of my children > have the same features. His whole family are from Anguilla BWI and so one > wonders if there is a Black connection . Are we descended from the same > line. > > All slaves in the Caribbean came from Ethiopa - Christian ?Muslim and Jewish > (Falasha). But, he is also Jewish, so we may have descended from the same > person, way way back, in Israel. But then how could the appearance be so > similar after 3,000 years!!! The black line is more probable. But the > likelihood of my ancestors coming also from Anguilla is almost prepostrous. > Who knows? You'd need to be rich to find out!! > > One just keeps these things under one;s hat but nothing much can be done to > find out more - unless one is the subject of some far out TV documentary!!! > > However, I am just pleased to be part of all this, in a sort of 'inner' way. > Know what I mean? > > Sara Weiss > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <richwyn@idirect.com> > To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 11:44 PM > Subject: MSNBC News Link: DNA tackles a familys mysteries > > > > Richard Allicock sent you this MSNBC News Link: > > > > Message: > > Sara Weisss re-appearane on the DNA Issue was quite timely. Here is an > MSNBC account of some-one trying to use DNA to fill the gaps in his reearch. > There is also a link to the African Genetics for Genealogy company, > Afrigenesis for those who are interested. Richard > > > > ** DNA tackles a familys mysteries ** > > DNA testing is adding a scientific twist to the search for family roots, > one of the worlds most popular pursuits. Follow MSNBCs Alan Boyle on the > genetic trail. > > > > http://www.msnbc.com/modules/exports/ct_email.asp?/news/682153.asp > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > Check out the hour's top stories on MSNBC.com <http://www.msnbc.com> > > > > MSNBC does not confirm the E-mail address of the sender of this MSNBC > News Link. For your information, the sender's IP Address is: 207.46.245.18 > > > > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > > For information on individual islands, research aids, island bulletin > boards or history please visit the CaribbeanGenWeb project at > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~caribgw/ > > > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > Before posting a query, check to see if the question has already been asked > on the List. 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From where do you get this information that slaves to the Caribbean were from other countries than Ethiopia? I was given this information from a lady working for the Zionist Federation of Gt Britain - she must have resourced this or wouldn;t have come out with such a bold statement surely? also you are quite wrong. When we went to Israel time and again we were asked by Ethiopian Jews there if my husband was Ethiopian. We were also stopped by and Ethiopian lady in Sussex who asked us to take her photo. I told her of our experiences in Israel and she said, "Yes, you look entirely Ethiopian." How do you work that out then, if you state that Ethiopia is too far inland. In Israel, the Falashas are known for their hard work, their cleanliness and their zeal for the Torah. This describes exactly my husband and his father! I went to an Ethiopian party there and was accepted as one of them, and this makes me wonder a lot about my own ancestry with the likeness between my husband and myself.# One last thing. Here in Morden there are a lot of Ghanains. I know some personally - many many of them look entirely Jewish and, to boot, they have many Jewish customs apparently. the same with Nigeria to an extent. The facial characteristics of Ethiopian Jews and Ghanains though, is not alike as far as I can ascertain. The Ethiopian look is quite long faced, pointed sort of chins and very almond eyes. They are frequently quite thin or lean, I never saw a fat Ethiopian. What do you think and can hyou answer my question about your source of information. Thanks for replying so quickly by the way! Sadie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nevilla E. Ottley" <clasebon@erols.com> To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2003 11:44 PM Subject: Re: MSNBC News Link: DNA tackles a familys mysteries > Sara, > > An interesting letter. I am married to a Gentleman from Ghana, West > Africa. His father was also from Ghana, and his mother was a Cherokee > Indian and African American mix from North Carolina. An old African > relative of my husband met me some time ago, and saw a large photo of my > parents on the wall. His comment was "These people are Ghanaian." > > I smiled and said, "No, my parents are from Trinidad, and and my mom's > parents were from Barbados." (I was so naive at that time about genealogy). > > He responded: "Young lady, it doesn't matter where they were born, > their roots are from Ghana, their facial features and bone structure > resembles our people very much." > > Actually most of the slaves that were brought to the Caribbean were from > West African countries, including Ghana, Nigeria, the Gold Coast, Togo, > etc., not from Ethiopia (that country is too far inland). So who knows, > since many people tell me I resemble my husband, we may be related from > a couple of centuries ago. In genealogy, all things are possible. > > Nevilla E. Ottley > > Sara Weiss wrote: > > >I'll tell you something else. Although I am mad keen to find out my Jewish ancestry, possibly thro DNA - but unlikely according to Richard, thanks Richard for saving me time and trouble - I have two black ancestors too. > > > >Accounts for my very frizzy hair and love of music mayhaps! Reading "Roots" by Alex Haley has now, more than this website, made me start to wonder about them. One was a slave who bought his freedom - West Indies or America I do not know. The other was from the Caribbean but I do not know where. My husband and I are similar in looks and he and some of my children have the same features. His whole family are from Anguilla BWI and so one wonders if there is a Black connection . Are we descended from the same line. > > > >All slaves in the Caribbean came from Ethiopa - Christian ?Muslim and Jewish (Falasha). But, he is also Jewish, so we may have descended from the same person, way way back, in Israel. But then how could the appearance be so similar after 3,000 years!!! The black line is more probable. But the likelihood of my ancestors coming also from Anguilla is almost prepostrous. Who knows? You'd need to be rich to find out!! > > > >One just keeps these things under one;s hat but nothing much can be done to find out more - unless one is the subject of some far out TV documentary!!! > > > >However, I am just pleased to be part of all this, in a sort of 'inner' way. Know what I mean? > > > >Sara Weiss > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: <richwyn@idirect.com> > >To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> > >Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 11:44 PM > >Subject: MSNBC News Link: DNA tackles a familys mysteries > > > > > >>Richard Allicock sent you this MSNBC News Link: > >> > >>Message: > >>Sara Weisss re-appearane on the DNA Issue was quite timely. Here is an MSNBC account of some-one trying to use DNA to fill the gaps in his reearch. There is also a link to the African Genetics for Genealogy company, Afrigenesis for those who are interested. Richard > >> > >>** DNA tackles a familys mysteries ** > >>DNA testing is adding a scientific twist to the search for family roots, one of the worlds most popular pursuits. Follow MSNBCs Alan Boyle on the genetic trail. > >> > >>http://www.msnbc.com/modules/exports/ct_email.asp?/news/682153.asp > >> > >>______________________________________________________________________ > >>Check out the hour's top stories on MSNBC.com <http://www.msnbc.com> > >> > >>MSNBC does not confirm the E-mail address of the sender of this MSNBC News Link. For your information, the sender's IP Address is: 207.46.245.18 > >> > >> > >>==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > >>For information on individual islands, research aids, island bulletin boards or history please visit the CaribbeanGenWeb project at > >>http://www.rootsweb.com/~caribgw/ > >> > > > > > >==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > >Before posting a query, check to see if the question has already been asked on the List. All messages posted to CARIBBEAN-L are archived by date or thread at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/CARIBBEAN. You can search the archives at http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=CARIBBEAN. > > > > > > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from the list send the word "unsubscribe" (without the quotes) as the only text in the body of an email message to CARIBBEAN-L-request@rootsweb.com for the list mode or CARIBBEAN-D-request@rootsweb.com if you are subscribed to the digest. >

I am trying to reply to R. Anthony Warner but his e-mail address could not be resolved by my Windows XP - but I hope you see this Mr Warner anyway: Mr Warner - Is Spanish Town in Jamaica - and Spanish town? I know that Jamaica has or had a huge Jewish population as I wrote to Rev de Souza there and he told me that it once numbered 2,000!!! But there is no Jewish presence in Anguilla although there is a Jewish presence in both the Dutch side and the French side of St Maarten - very near. Sara Weiss ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dot Hodge" <DotH@gbc.co.uk> To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 8:13 AM Subject: RE: The BBC Show? > Dear all, > > Can I recommend that if you do have an interest in this programme that you e-mail or contact the BBC. The participants in the study were really disappointed that no further "follow up" work had really been planned by the BBC, in the form of educational videos, or even a helpdesk number, however the production company were keen to note that the more requests for information the BBC received, the more likely it was that further information would be produced. > > Can I therefore (in the true spirit of the lobbyist that I am) encourage anyone that has an interest in finding out more about this project, or even if you believe that a video should be available to contact the BBC. > > Site details are below. > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/feedback/ > > Best wishes > > Dot > > -----Original Message----- > From: Nneka X [mailto:cheryl_nneka@hotmail.com] > Sent: 16 February 2003 03:04 > To: CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: The BBC Show? > > > For those of us who weren't able to view this BBC show, is it possible to > get a copy of the tape? are there highlights on a website? > > Cheryl Hazell > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > ROOTSWEB MAILING LIST HELP PAGES > What is a Mailing List? > http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/help/mail1.html > > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > For information on individual islands, research aids, island bulletin boards or history please visit the CaribbeanGenWeb project at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~caribgw/ >

I'll tell you something else. Although I am mad keen to find out my Jewish ancestry, possibly thro DNA - but unlikely according to Richard, thanks Richard for saving me time and trouble - I have two black ancestors too. Accounts for my very frizzy hair and love of music mayhaps! Reading "Roots" by Alex Haley has now, more than this website, made me start to wonder about them. One was a slave who bought his freedom - West Indies or America I do not know. The other was from the Caribbean but I do not know where. My husband and I are similar in looks and he and some of my children have the same features. His whole family are from Anguilla BWI and so one wonders if there is a Black connection . Are we descended from the same line. All slaves in the Caribbean came from Ethiopa - Christian ?Muslim and Jewish (Falasha). But, he is also Jewish, so we may have descended from the same person, way way back, in Israel. But then how could the appearance be so similar after 3,000 years!!! The black line is more probable. But the likelihood of my ancestors coming also from Anguilla is almost prepostrous. Who knows? You'd need to be rich to find out!! One just keeps these things under one;s hat but nothing much can be done to find out more - unless one is the subject of some far out TV documentary!!! However, I am just pleased to be part of all this, in a sort of 'inner' way. Know what I mean? Sara Weiss ----- Original Message ----- From: <richwyn@idirect.com> To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 11:44 PM Subject: MSNBC News Link: DNA tackles a familys mysteries > Richard Allicock sent you this MSNBC News Link: > > Message: > Sara Weisss re-appearane on the DNA Issue was quite timely. Here is an MSNBC account of some-one trying to use DNA to fill the gaps in his reearch. There is also a link to the African Genetics for Genealogy company, Afrigenesis for those who are interested. Richard > > ** DNA tackles a familys mysteries ** > DNA testing is adding a scientific twist to the search for family roots, one of the worlds most popular pursuits. Follow MSNBCs Alan Boyle on the genetic trail. > > http://www.msnbc.com/modules/exports/ct_email.asp?/news/682153.asp > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Check out the hour's top stories on MSNBC.com <http://www.msnbc.com> > > MSNBC does not confirm the E-mail address of the sender of this MSNBC News Link. For your information, the sender's IP Address is: 207.46.245.18 > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > For information on individual islands, research aids, island bulletin boards or history please visit the CaribbeanGenWeb project at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~caribgw/ >

Elford Cottle wrote 08/06/03: "There was a mention in a will, for James Cottle, dated 31May, 1920, recorded as otherwise known as Gobrudhun, a shopkeeper of Layou. He also indicated - that should his son Adolphus die before coming of age, his whatever remained of his belongings were to be sent to India to Dealshand Cottle., an Indian connection. These are all findings that are very puzzling to me, that is why it is so important for me to identify these people to see where they fit into my genealogical findings." My Reply: Hi Elford, I have not forgotten your query. I have found Cottles in India. There was an Alfred and Mary Cottle, who Christened a daughter, Alice Maria in Bengal on the 17th of Aug. 1870. Source: India Office Ecclesiastical Returns-Bengal Presidency, Misc., India. I found this record on the LDS website "family search.org". So there were Cottles in India. Could Dealshand Cottle instead of a person be a company name such as Deals and Cottle? with Deals being another person's name? I did not find any Deals in India but I did find some in Barbados for 1848 and 1858, a marriage and a Christening respectively. You can also search the familysearch.org site for those. But a more promising line of research might be to reconsider the speling of the name Dealshand. It could be that the name was Deelchand, pronounced and written as Deal + Shand. Since we have seen that there were Cottles in Bengal in 1870, it might be worth your while to follow up on the Cottle family above. On a related matter, the name Gobrudhun can be Anglicised and Creolised to Goberdan. Could Gobrudun have also been of the Indian Cottles? If they were Indian quite likely. If they were missionaries then he might have been giving his estate to charity or to the family of European Cottles who might be expected to know Gobrudhun's kin. It also seems that he knew that they were still in India, and might have been in continuous contact, although the will did not say where exactly. I hope this helps. Richard