Hey folks, I need to say that I agree with Sara here. We have a lot of folks that come to this list to learn more about a region and subject that is subject to many misconceptions. It behooves us all to be patient and helpful in our responses. Dean ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sara Weiss" <ksara@tesco.net> To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 3:11 PM Subject: Re: MSNBC News Link: DNA tackles a familys mysteries > if you know so much it would be good if you shared your knowledge > in a way that was edifying, not in a way that PUTS DOWN?

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Hello Attached are many Medical URL's I have accumulated and checked but none seem to answer my question. Does anyone know of an epidemic in the West Indies (maybe Jamaica) about 1817-1818. One site did tell me that in England between 1817-1819 there was an epidemic of Fever, Typhus and relapsing fever and Smallpox. All ideas would be appreciated. Maybe others have already found people who died at this time or would anyone know of other URL's. Thank You Lorraine Ottawa, Canada http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~nceurich/index.html Medical - Epidemics http://www.shef.ac.uk/misc/personal/cm1djw/lochist/epidems.htm#1800 Medical - Epidemics http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/discovery/medicine/index.shtml Medical - Old Diseases http://cancerweb.ncl.ac.uk/omd/ Medical Dictionary - present day http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~hornbeck/disease.htm Medical Info - 1 http://www.paul_smith.doctors.org.uk/ArchaicMedicalTerms.htm Medical Info - 2 http://www.jansdigs.com/Racine/medical.html Medical Info - 3 http://allserv.rug.ac.be/~rvdstich/eugloss/EN/lijst.html Medical Info - 4

While we are on the subject of sharing, During rollcall, Heather, you mentioned you had the Ritchies back to the early 1800's. At the time I asked if you could share that info with me. As you know, your husband and I share a common greatgrandmother, Edith Isobel Ritchie. With all the viruses running rampant, I guess my request slipped through the cracks. The Ritchie name was carried forward in the Figueroa family as a middle nane for many of the decendants. For instant my Dad is Lloyd Vivian Ritchie Figueroa. I have a cousin who was named Anita Ritchie Figueroa. Sadly my father did not pass that legacy to me. So if you have any info beyond Edith Ritchie. I would ever so appreciate it if you would share it with me. Thanks in advance. By the way I have new info on Myrtle Figueroa, the surviving twin. Tony Figueroa Ann Whiting <aqw8326@hotmail.com> wrote:Dear Dean and listers, I beg your indulgence here, but I need to say this. Re. Sara, what I hear her saying is she has questions/suspicions and she is searching, I applaud that, I think we all started that way. That question, 'Where did I come from?" is not always biological but ancestral. On this list, and the web as a whole, we sometimes forget that there are newbie's, and our answers are short, and data filled. I, for one just get the information out, and go back to what I am working on, However, Sara, you attacked the messenger, our answers did not confirm what you had been told/wanted to believe, and it threw you off balance. Your response struck a human cord in some of us, to strike back, I for one wanted to, but I sat a minute and remembered my reaction to reading and seeing Roots, and I think I understand. I will say this, then opt out of this discussion, after 40+ years of searching and researching Caribbean records and history, I have learned, I have not learned enough. On this list of seekers, we share the information, sometimes forgetting to say thank you :), but we NEVER stop sharing. There are many on this list That have a wealth of knowledge to share, Chris, Richard, Richard B. Dorothy, Heather to name a few, that will answer a question or look up the information for any one. I am saying this for the lurkers and newbie's, We are only human, not a faceless computer screen. Ann ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Dean de Freitas" Reply-To: CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com To: CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: MSNBC News Link: DNA tackles a familys mysteries Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:21:27 -0400 Hey folks, I need to say that I agree with Sara here. We have a lot of folks that come to this list to learn more about a region and subject that is subject to many misconceptions. It behooves us all to be patient and helpful in our responses. Dean ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sara Weiss" To: Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 3:11 PM Subject: Re: MSNBC News Link: DNA tackles a familys mysteries > if you know so much it would be good if you shared your knowledge > in a way that was edifying, not in a way that PUTS DOWN? ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== For information on individual islands, research aids, island bulletin boards or history please visit the CaribbeanGenWeb project at http://www.rootsweb.com/~caribgw/ "Sharing the information." _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== Before posting a query, check to see if the question has already been asked on the List. All messages posted to CARIBBEAN-L are archived by date or thread at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/CARIBBEAN. You can search the archives at http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=CARIBBEAN. Researching FIGUEROA,WHORMS, DEPASS, ABSALOM, INNERARITY, MARKS(MARQUES), RITCHIE from Jamaica, CARVALHO from Jamaica, Brooks --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month!

Sara Weiss wrote: >... I don;t know whether Alex Haley is still alive > but I have written him a letter anyway. ... > >I didn't know about the Spanish and Portuguese > refugees in Jamaica. In all that I have read >about the Inquisition, this point has never come up. >Always, the beleaguered Jews of Spain went to > Italy or France, but you could be right - > I've never researched .... (Re Alex Haley, the two sites that John Weiss gave are interesting.) Searching via http://www.google.com with keywords jews spanish portuguese caribbean inquisition I quickly came across http://trageser.tripod.com/books/bookreview-jews.html and http://www.sefarad.org/publication/lm/011/jewcar.html and (one I particularly enjoyed) http://www.virtualjerusalem.com/leisure/travel/?disp_feature=gx1W12.var and many more. Searching Google with keywords inquisition jews dispersed produced other articles, including a long 3-parter that, one way or another, indicated a need for caution in identifying past history http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/2000/12/ferry.htm

There was a lot of criticism of Haley when the book and the TV series came out for writing "faction", fact and fiction intermingled without attribution. It was not so much that he didn't do a lot of genuine research as that he filled in the blanks to make a good story. There was particular skepticism about his tracing all the way back to Africa, especially since it is so notoriously hard to do. As I recall, he claimed to have located his original African ancestor by "oral history," matching a name in his own family tradition with a name in a memorized oral history in Africa (sorry, I'm drawing a blank on the details; it has been about 20 years since I read the book). I don't know as anyone ever was able to confirm the African oral history he was relying on. That's the kind of bibliography that's hard to verify.

Dear Dean and listers, I beg your indulgence here, but I need to say this. Re. Sara, what I hear her saying is she has questions/suspicions and she is searching, I applaud that, I think we all started that way. That question, 'Where did I come from?" is not always biological but ancestral. On this list, and the web as a whole, we sometimes forget that there are newbie's, and our answers are short, and data filled. I, for one just get the information out, and go back to what I am working on, However, Sara, you attacked the messenger, our answers did not confirm what you had been told/wanted to believe, and it threw you off balance. Your response struck a human cord in some of us, to strike back, I for one wanted to, but I sat a minute and remembered my reaction to reading and seeing Roots, and I think I understand. I will say this, then opt out of this discussion, after 40+ years of searching and researching Caribbean records and history, I have learned, I have not learned enough. On this list of seekers, we share the information, sometimes forgetting to say thank you :), but we NEVER stop sharing. There are many on this list That have a wealth of knowledge to share, Chris, Richard, Richard B. Dorothy, Heather to name a few, that will answer a question or look up the information for any one. I am saying this for the lurkers and newbie's, We are only human, not a faceless computer screen. Ann ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Dean de Freitas" <caribgw@bellsouth.net> Reply-To: CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com To: CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: MSNBC News Link: DNA tackles a familys mysteries Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:21:27 -0400 Hey folks, I need to say that I agree with Sara here. We have a lot of folks that come to this list to learn more about a region and subject that is subject to many misconceptions. It behooves us all to be patient and helpful in our responses. Dean ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sara Weiss" <ksara@tesco.net> To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 3:11 PM Subject: Re: MSNBC News Link: DNA tackles a familys mysteries > if you know so much it would be good if you shared your knowledge > in a way that was edifying, not in a way that PUTS DOWN? ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== For information on individual islands, research aids, island bulletin boards or history please visit the CaribbeanGenWeb project at http://www.rootsweb.com/~caribgw/ "Sharing the information." _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail

>Richard Allicock wrote >I was hoping to hear.... [from] David Watson on whether the crediting of >Sir Joseph Banks with the introduction of the Nutmeg to Grenada in >1784 was in Dr. Groome's book No, Banks wasn't credited by Groome. I think Groome would have if he had had any evidence - in his small way he was a Banks of Grenada, and I think they shared the same alma mater, and they certainly shared the same obsession with natural history. I am wondering what this has to do with genealogy, but it seems to have sparked an interest. I hope whoever is "in charge" will bear with us. Nutmegs are so important to Grenada - like oil to Saudi Arabia. I've read a lot over the years about nutmeg agriculture, and I think we're dealing with three things - why is everything in threes? - the general desperate desire, for science and profit, to grow spices. People who did this in the beginning, couldn't match the expertise of the Dutch. Lots of trials and lots of failures. It is actually quite tricky to grow nutmegs, certainly in commercial quantities; that's hardly news to any farmer. So we have an "introductory period" when plants went into the ground and generally failed. - then, in Grenada, some managers go to Penang to assist with sugar production, and they learn to cultivate nutmeg, they learn some secrets. They bring back the nutmegs and the secrets and experiment. - lots of failures again, but they persevere and have a factor to help, Thomson Hankey (that's the name of a company,) whose families have a produce relationship with Grenada. I think we're now into the 1860s. - luck now plays a part, as does clever agricultural techniques. Some pestilence in Indonesia, a good factor (Thomson Hankey,) smart planters (I'm sure you are right, Richard, they were Scottish,) and away you go. You can hardy believe your luck. That seems to have been four points, oh well. In 1955 hurricane Janet destroyed 80% of Grenada's nutmegs. But they bounced right back, planting new trees and using the opportunity to improve the planting techniques. Also, the marketing system of cooperatives in Grenada has served all growers, large and small, over the years. How many of you on this list are interested in this esoteric discussion? David Watson

Mm that't food for thought Heather. I don;t know whether Alex Haley is still alive but I have written him a letter anyway. He seems to very genuine in his research and in his account of meeting his far-off relatives in Gambia. Only the film seems to full of innacuracies? I didn't know about the Spanish and Portuguese refugees in Jamaica. In all that I have read about the Inquisition, this point has never come up. Always, the beleaguered Jews of Spain went to Italy or France, but you could be right - I've never researched and never spoken to any Jamaican Jews. REv de Souza never mentioned any 'white' members of the large community but maybe 'cus everyone knew about them. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heather Figueroa" <heatherfig@rogers.com> To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 8:02 AM Subject: Re: MSNBC News Link: DNA tackles a familys mysteries > Sara..... > > Maybe I am missing the point here, but one of the reasons for a 'large > Jewish population' in Jamaica could be because they were Spanish and > Portuguese Jews who fled the Inquisition.......and while some of them > stayed catholic (conversos), others reverted back. > > And I, personally, have my reservations on Alex Haley's 'discovery' of > his African roots. Having seen Jamaican slave journals, I find it > rather hard to believe that he actually found his ancestors. Not enough > information in the journals....and their names were English ones given > by the owners. Not their African ones......but I could be wrong. > Perhaps in his case, there was enough 'oral' history......but I would > have to be convinced. > > I just thought I would throw this out for discussion.......DQ, you > listening? > > Cheers....Heather > > > Ann, as I have already discussed elsewhere, look at Alex Haley's > Epilogue to his "Roots". He researches the ship that carried his > forefather, Kunte Kinta from Gambia - it went straight to America. As > far as I have ever heard, slave ships went there from Africa regularly. > IN the book "Roots" the question of which slaves went to the Caribbean > comes up. Apparently, it was the unteachable slaves who were often > transported there. But also, I have this info that slaves from Ethiopia > went straight there and stayed there. > > > > Why else was there such a large Jewish population of, for instance, > Jamaica? Why are Jews so prevalent there - except in Anguilla the > island at which I am looking . There, Jews have become Christian at > least in namesake. > > > > But I am a beginner in all this. I only repeat what I have learned so > far, but it doesn't correspond to what you are saying. > > > > Regards, > > > > Sara > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ann Whiting" <aqw8326@hotmail.com> > > To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2003 11:41 PM > > Subject: Re: MSNBC News Link: DNA tackles a familys mysteries > > > > > > > Dear Sara, > > > I have long been shouting in the wilderness, that slave ships/slaves > did not > > > arrive in the US via non stop cruses, but were first sold in in > Caribbean. > > > Seasoning is not something that is mentioned, or hardly ever > mentioned when > > > Slavery is discussed. That was a period of breaking the newly > captured > > > slaves. If they had the misfortune to survive the crossing, they > were first > > > broken in the islands. > > > The misconception of the Triangle trade is that slaves were acquired > in > > > Africa, ships stopped in the Caribbean for provisions and rum and > then > > > proceeded to the US. The truth is , newly captured slaves were sold > in the > > > Caribbean, and 'Seasoned' slaves were bought, then taken to the US > for > > > resale. > > > Every African American has an African Caribbean connection. > > > Records show that that St. Thomas and Curacao were major Seasoning > Markets, > > > as the Dutch, owned plantation on these islands, and owned the Forts > in > > > Africa, and the ships they did not have to use a middleman. > > > So the possibility of a caribbean connection is not that > far-fetched. > > > A Jewish connection is also possible as Brandenburg Company which > managed > > > these stations were started and financed by Portuguese Jews from > Bergen and > > > Gluckstadt. > > > In genealogy one must keep an open mind and expected the unexpected. > > > Ann > > > > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > > From: "Sara Weiss" <ksara@tesco.net> > > > Reply-To: CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com > > > To: CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com > > > Subject: Re: MSNBC News Link: DNA tackles a familys mysteries > > > Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 23:04:05 +0100 > > > > > > I'll tell you something else. Although I am mad keen to find out my > Jewish > > > ancestry, possibly thro DNA - but unlikely according to Richard, > thanks > > > Richard for saving me time and trouble - I have two black ancestors > too. > > > > > > Accounts for my very frizzy hair and love of music mayhaps! > Reading > > > "Roots" by Alex Haley has now, more than this website, made me start > to > > > wonder about them. One was a slave who bought his freedom - West > Indies or > > > America I do not know. The other was from the Caribbean but I do > not know > > > where. My husband and I are similar in looks and he and some of my > children > > > have the same features. His whole family are from Anguilla BWI and > so one > > > wonders if there is a Black connection . Are we descended from the > same > > > line. > > > > > > All slaves in the Caribbean came from Ethiopa - Christian ?Muslim > and Jewish > > > (Falasha). But, he is also Jewish, so we may have descended from > the same > > > person, way way back, in Israel. But then how could the appearance > be so > > > similar after 3,000 years!!! The black line is more probable. But > the > > > likelihood of my ancestors coming also from Anguilla is almost > prepostrous. > > > Who knows? You'd need to be rich to find out!! > > > > > > One just keeps these things under one;s hat but nothing much can be > done to > > > find out more - unless one is the subject of some far out TV > documentary!!! > > > > > > However, I am just pleased to be part of all this, in a sort of > 'inner' way. > > > Know what I mean? > > > > > > Sara Weiss > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: <richwyn@idirect.com> > > > To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 11:44 PM > > > Subject: MSNBC News Link: DNA tackles a familys mysteries > > > > > > > > > > Richard Allicock sent you this MSNBC News Link: > > > > > > > > Message: > > > > Sara Weisss re-appearane on the DNA Issue was quite timely. Here > is an > > > MSNBC account of some-one trying to use DNA to fill the gaps in his > reearch. > > > There is also a link to the African Genetics for Genealogy > company, > > > Afrigenesis for those who are interested. Richard > > > > > > > > ** DNA tackles a familys mysteries ** > > > > DNA testing is adding a scientific twist to the search for family > roots, > > > one of the worlds most popular pursuits. Follow MSNBCs Alan Boyle on > the > > > genetic trail. > > > > > > > > > http://www.msnbc.com/modules/exports/ct_email.asp?/news/682153.asp > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > > Check out the hour's top stories on MSNBC.com > <http://www.msnbc.com> > > > > > > > > MSNBC does not confirm the E-mail address of the sender of this > MSNBC > > > News Link. 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Check these out: http://the-tech.mit.edu/V112/N4/haley.04w.html A Washington Post article when he died. http://www.kirjasto.sci.fi/ahaley.htm Alex Palmer Haley (1921-1992) "American biographer, scriptwriter, author who became famous with the publication of the novel ROOTS which traces his ancestry back to Africa and covers seven generations as they are taken slaves to the United States......Haley himself commented that the book itself is not so much history as a study of mythmaking." http://www.galegroup.com/free_resources/bhm/bio/haley_a.htm Sara Weiss wrote: >Mm that't food for thought Heather. I don;t know whether Alex Haley is still alive but I have written him a letter anyway. He seems to very genuine in his research and in his account of meeting his far-off relatives in Gambia. Only the film seems to full of innacuracies? > >I didn't know about the Spanish and Portuguese refugees in Jamaica. In all that I have read about the Inquisition, this point has never come up. Always, the beleaguered Jews of Spain went to Italy or France, but you could be right - I've never researched and never spoken to any Jamaican Jews. REv de Souza never mentioned any 'white' members of the large community but maybe 'cus everyone knew about them. > >Sara >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Heather Figueroa" <heatherfig@rogers.com> >To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 8:02 AM >Subject: Re: MSNBC News Link: DNA tackles a familys mysteries > > >>Sara..... >> >>Maybe I am missing the point here, but one of the reasons for a 'large >>Jewish population' in Jamaica could be because they were Spanish and >>Portuguese Jews who fled the Inquisition.......and while some of them >>stayed catholic (conversos), others reverted back. >> >>And I, personally, have my reservations on Alex Haley's 'discovery' of >>his African roots. Having seen Jamaican slave journals, I find it >>rather hard to believe that he actually found his ancestors. Not enough >>information in the journals....and their names were English ones given >>by the owners. Not their African ones......but I could be wrong. >>Perhaps in his case, there was enough 'oral' history......but I would >>have to be convinced. >> >>I just thought I would throw this out for discussion.......DQ, you >>listening? >> >>Cheers....Heather >> >>>Ann, as I have already discussed elsewhere, look at Alex Haley's >>> >>Epilogue to his "Roots". He researches the ship that carried his >>forefather, Kunte Kinta from Gambia - it went straight to America. As >>far as I have ever heard, slave ships went there from Africa regularly. >>IN the book "Roots" the question of which slaves went to the Caribbean >>comes up. Apparently, it was the unteachable slaves who were often >>transported there. But also, I have this info that slaves from Ethiopia >>went straight there and stayed there. >> >>>Why else was there such a large Jewish population of, for instance, >>> >>Jamaica? Why are Jews so prevalent there - except in Anguilla the >>island at which I am looking . There, Jews have become Christian at >>least in namesake. >> >>>But I am a beginner in all this. I only repeat what I have learned so >>> >>far, but it doesn't correspond to what you are saying. >> >>>Regards, >>> >>>Sara >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Ann Whiting" <aqw8326@hotmail.com> >>>To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> >>>Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2003 11:41 PM >>>Subject: Re: MSNBC News Link: DNA tackles a familys mysteries >>> >>> >>>>Dear Sara, >>>>I have long been shouting in the wilderness, that slave ships/slaves >>>> >>did not >> >>>>arrive in the US via non stop cruses, but were first sold in in >>>> >>Caribbean. >> >>>>Seasoning is not something that is mentioned, or hardly ever >>>> >>mentioned when >> >>>>Slavery is discussed. That was a period of breaking the newly >>>> >>captured >> >>>>slaves. If they had the misfortune to survive the crossing, they >>>> >>were first >> >>>>broken in the islands. >>>>The misconception of the Triangle trade is that slaves were acquired >>>> >>in >> >>>>Africa, ships stopped in the Caribbean for provisions and rum and >>>> >>then >> >>>>proceeded to the US. The truth is , newly captured slaves were sold >>>> >>in the >> >>>>Caribbean, and 'Seasoned' slaves were bought, then taken to the US >>>> >>for >> >>>>resale. >>>>Every African American has an African Caribbean connection. >>>>Records show that that St. Thomas and Curacao were major Seasoning >>>> >>Markets, >> >>>>as the Dutch, owned plantation on these islands, and owned the Forts >>>> >>in >> >>>>Africa, and the ships they did not have to use a middleman. >>>>So the possibility of a caribbean connection is not that >>>> >>far-fetched. >> >>>>A Jewish connection is also possible as Brandenburg Company which >>>> >>managed >> >>>>these stations were started and financed by Portuguese Jews from >>>> >>Bergen and >> >>>>Gluckstadt. >>>>In genealogy one must keep an open mind and expected the unexpected. >>>>Ann >>>> >>>> >>>>----Original Message Follows---- >>>>From: "Sara Weiss" <ksara@tesco.net> >>>>Reply-To: CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com >>>>To: CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com >>>>Subject: Re: MSNBC News Link: DNA tackles a familys mysteries >>>>Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 23:04:05 +0100 >>>> >>>>I'll tell you something else. Although I am mad keen to find out my >>>> >>Jewish >> >>>>ancestry, possibly thro DNA - but unlikely according to Richard, >>>> >>thanks >> >>>>Richard for saving me time and trouble - I have two black ancestors >>>> >>too. >> >>>>Accounts for my very frizzy hair and love of music mayhaps! >>>> >>Reading >> >>>>"Roots" by Alex Haley has now, more than this website, made me start >>>> >>to >> >>>>wonder about them. One was a slave who bought his freedom - West >>>> >>Indies or >> >>>>America I do not know. The other was from the Caribbean but I do >>>> >>not know >> >>>>where. My husband and I are similar in looks and he and some of my >>>> >>children >> >>>>have the same features. His whole family are from Anguilla BWI and >>>> >>so one >> >>>>wonders if there is a Black connection . Are we descended from the >>>> >>same >> >>>>line. >>>> >>>>All slaves in the Caribbean came from Ethiopa - Christian ?Muslim >>>> >>and Jewish >> >>>>(Falasha). But, he is also Jewish, so we may have descended from >>>> >>the same >> >>>>person, way way back, in Israel. But then how could the appearance >>>> >>be so >> >>>>similar after 3,000 years!!! The black line is more probable. But >>>> >>the >> >>>>likelihood of my ancestors coming also from Anguilla is almost >>>> >>prepostrous. >> >>>>Who knows? You'd need to be rich to find out!! >>>> >>>>One just keeps these things under one;s hat but nothing much can be >>>> >>done to >> >>>>find out more - unless one is the subject of some far out TV >>>> >>documentary!!! >> >>>>However, I am just pleased to be part of all this, in a sort of >>>> >>'inner' way. >> >>>> Know what I mean? >>>> >>>>Sara Weiss >>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>From: <richwyn@idirect.com> >>>>To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> >>>>Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 11:44 PM >>>>Subject: MSNBC News Link: DNA tackles a familys mysteries >>>> >>>> >>>> > Richard Allicock sent you this MSNBC News Link: >>>> > >>>> > Message: >>>> > Sara Weisss re-appearane on the DNA Issue was quite timely. Here >>>> >>is an >> >>>>MSNBC account of some-one trying to use DNA to fill the gaps in his >>>> >>reearch. >> >>>> There is also a link to the African Genetics for Genealogy >>>> >>company, >> >>>>Afrigenesis for those who are interested. Richard >>>> > >>>> > ** DNA tackles a familys mysteries ** >>>> > DNA testing is adding a scientific twist to the search for family >>>> >>roots, >> >>>>one of the worlds most popular pursuits. Follow MSNBCs Alan Boyle on >>>> >>the >> >>>>genetic trail. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >>http://www.msnbc.com/modules/exports/ct_email.asp?/news/682153.asp >> >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >>______________________________________________________________________ >> >>>> > Check out the hour's top stories on MSNBC.com >>>> >><http://www.msnbc.com> >> >>>> > >>>> > MSNBC does not confirm the E-mail address of the sender of this >>>> >>MSNBC >> >>>>News Link. For your information, the sender's IP Address is: >>>> >>207.46.245.18 >> >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== >>>> > For information on individual islands, research aids, island >>>> >>bulletin >> >>>>boards or history please visit the CaribbeanGenWeb project at >>>> > http://www.rootsweb.com/~caribgw/ >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>>==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== >>>>Before posting a query, check to see if the question has already >>>> >>been asked >> >>>>on the List. All messages posted to CARIBBEAN-L are archived by date >>>> >>or >> >>>>thread at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/CARIBBEAN. 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Listers, I'm pleased to announce that one of our very own has stepped up to take on the USVI site. Please welcome Diane Ingino as our our newest Country Coordinator. If you have any suggestions for the site, and wish to contribute articles, links etc., please contact her through the List or directly at dti@nyc.rr.com Dean P.S. Richard, I'm assurred that she doesn't use WebTV for her ISP.

A good site for info on Sephardim in Jamaica: http://www.sephardim.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "cecilia" <myths@ic24.net> To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 9:43 AM Subject: Re: MSNBC News Link: DNA tackles a familys mysteries > Sara Weiss wrote: > > >... I don;t know whether Alex Haley is still alive > > but I have written him a letter anyway. ... > > > >I didn't know about the Spanish and Portuguese > > refugees in Jamaica. In all that I have read > >about the Inquisition, this point has never come up. > >Always, the beleaguered Jews of Spain went to > > Italy or France, but you could be right - > > I've never researched .... > > (Re Alex Haley, the two sites that John Weiss gave are interesting.) > > Searching via http://www.google.com with keywords > jews spanish portuguese caribbean inquisition > I quickly came across > http://trageser.tripod.com/books/bookreview-jews.html > and > http://www.sefarad.org/publication/lm/011/jewcar.html > and (one I particularly enjoyed) > > http://www.virtualjerusalem.com/leisure/travel/?disp_feature=gx1W12.var > and many more. > > Searching Google with keywords > inquisition jews dispersed > produced other articles, including a long 3-parter that, one way or > another, indicated a need for caution in identifying past history > http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/2000/12/ferry.htm > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > Before posting a query, check to see if the question has already been asked on the List. All messages posted to CARIBBEAN-L are archived by date or thread at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/CARIBBEAN. You can search the archives at http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=CARIBBEAN. >

"John Weiss" wrote: >While Alex Haley's 'Roots' is a very inspiring novel, I have long understood >that it was a work of fiction and not to be taken as a record. A Google >search produces sites such as http://www.martinlutherking.org/roots.html This leads me to a possible title/author (Coulander/The African) for a book that I have been trying (a little <grin>) to identify ever since Roots came out and reminded me of a book I had read earlier. I have added "The African" to my library list - thank you for the lead. Apropos the "seasoning" discussion, "seasoning" might partly account for the better survival and reproductive rates of slaves in the USA compared with the Caribbean, though Gutman ("The Black Family in Slavery and Freedom" - dealing with the USA) who mentions this difference, says, elsewhere in his book, 'By 1740, the earlier flow of "seasoned" Africans to the southern colonies from the West Indies had become far less important, and afterwards most came directly from Africa.'

While Alex Haley's 'Roots' is a very inspiring novel, I have long understood that it was a work of fiction and not to be taken as a record. A Google search produces sites such as http://www.martinlutherking.org/roots.html and http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=1384 , which suggest that although probably founded in fact, the fictional structure that Haley built around the fact is sometimes inaccurate as a picture of how things were. All the same, Haley's fictional and somewhat misleading account has been the driving force for many of African origin to get interested in their roots, and it has generated much of the energy behind African American and African Caribbean family research. As for the Jewish population in the Caribbean, there was a small influx of refugees from Nazi Germany in the late 1930s, but only to Trinidad and only for a short time - there had never been any regulations to restrict immigration into that half-empty island, and it took British bureaucrats some time to wake up to the fact that East European Jews were taking refuge there and block that path to safety. A very few of those immigrants remained in Trinidad, but most went to South America and possibly the US. But the majority of Jews in the Caribbean arrived a couple of centuries earlier as the final result of early religious persecution, and it is their descendants that by and large make up the Jewish (or Jewish-rooted) population in the islands - of Sephardic origin, that is, Spanish and Portuguese, many of whom in turn carry names with semitic roots, either Hebrew or Arabic (such as Alberga) from the time when Jews of North Africa lived in Spain and Portugal. There is no record that I have ever heard of to suggest there are any Falasha in the Caribbean. John Weiss

Haley died February 10, 1992, of a heart attack. The Jews of Jamaica are "white" and of mixed race, predominantly Sephardic Jew and West African. I HAVE done research and HAVE spoken to many Jamaican Jews, including members of my family. I'm just guessing here, but I think Sara may be putting us on? If I'm wrong, then please accept my apology, but I find it difficult to believe that this person is as ill-informed as she pretends. Cheers, Russ -------------------------------------- Persevere Russell G. Campbell Burlington, ON, Canada My Home page: www.it4biz.com/omnibus My Magazine: http://www.it4biz.com/omnibus/PortOfCall My Blog: http://www.it4biz.com/omnibus/rantrave My Genealogy: http://www.it4biz.com/omnibus/genealogy -----Original Message----- From: Sara Weiss [mailto:ksara@tesco.net] Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 5:55 AM To: CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com Mm that't food for thought Heather. I don;t know whether Alex Haley is still alive but I have written him a letter anyway. He seems to very genuine in his research and in his account of meeting his far-off relatives in Gambia. Only the film seems to full of innacuracies? I didn't know about the Spanish and Portuguese refugees in Jamaica. In all that I have read about the Inquisition, this point has never come up. Always, the beleaguered Jews of Spain went to Italy or France, but you could be right - I've never researched and never spoken to any Jamaican Jews. REv de Souza never mentioned any 'white' members of the large community but maybe 'cus everyone knew about them. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heather Figueroa" <heatherfig@rogers.com> To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 8:02 AM Subject: Re: MSNBC News Link: DNA tackles a familys mysteries > Sara..... > > Maybe I am missing the point here, but one of the reasons for a 'large > Jewish population' in Jamaica could be because they were Spanish and > Portuguese Jews who fled the Inquisition.......and while some of them > stayed catholic (conversos), others reverted back. > > And I, personally, have my reservations on Alex Haley's 'discovery' of > his African roots. Having seen Jamaican slave journals, I find it > rather hard to believe that he actually found his ancestors. Not enough > information in the journals....and their names were English ones given > by the owners. Not their African ones......but I could be wrong. > Perhaps in his case, there was enough 'oral' history......but I would > have to be convinced. > > I just thought I would throw this out for discussion.......DQ, you > listening? > > Cheers....Heather > > > Ann, as I have already discussed elsewhere, look at Alex Haley's > Epilogue to his "Roots". He researches the ship that carried his > forefather, Kunte Kinta from Gambia - it went straight to America. As > far as I have ever heard, slave ships went there from Africa regularly. > IN the book "Roots" the question of which slaves went to the Caribbean > comes up. Apparently, it was the unteachable slaves who were often > transported there. But also, I have this info that slaves from Ethiopia > went straight there and stayed there. > > > > Why else was there such a large Jewish population of, for instance, > Jamaica? Why are Jews so prevalent there - except in Anguilla the > island at which I am looking . There, Jews have become Christian at > least in namesake. > > > > But I am a beginner in all this. I only repeat what I have learned so > far, but it doesn't correspond to what you are saying. > > > > Regards, > > > > Sara > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ann Whiting" <aqw8326@hotmail.com> > > To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2003 11:41 PM > > Subject: Re: MSNBC News Link: DNA tackles a familys mysteries > > > > > > > Dear Sara, > > > I have long been shouting in the wilderness, that slave ships/slaves > did not > > > arrive in the US via non stop cruses, but were first sold in in > Caribbean. > > > Seasoning is not something that is mentioned, or hardly ever > mentioned when > > > Slavery is discussed. That was a period of breaking the newly > captured > > > slaves. If they had the misfortune to survive the crossing, they > were first > > > broken in the islands. > > > The misconception of the Triangle trade is that slaves were acquired > in > > > Africa, ships stopped in the Caribbean for provisions and rum and > then > > > proceeded to the US. The truth is , newly captured slaves were sold > in the > > > Caribbean, and 'Seasoned' slaves were bought, then taken to the US > for > > > resale. > > > Every African American has an African Caribbean connection. > > > Records show that that St. Thomas and Curacao were major Seasoning > Markets, > > > as the Dutch, owned plantation on these islands, and owned the Forts > in > > > Africa, and the ships they did not have to use a middleman. > > > So the possibility of a caribbean connection is not that > far-fetched. > > > A Jewish connection is also possible as Brandenburg Company which > managed > > > these stations were started and financed by Portuguese Jews from > Bergen and > > > Gluckstadt. > > > In genealogy one must keep an open mind and expected the unexpected. > > > Ann > > > > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > > From: "Sara Weiss" <ksara@tesco.net> > > > Reply-To: CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com > > > To: CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com > > > Subject: Re: MSNBC News Link: DNA tackles a familys mysteries > > > Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 23:04:05 +0100 > > > > > > I'll tell you something else. Although I am mad keen to find out my > Jewish > > > ancestry, possibly thro DNA - but unlikely according to Richard, > thanks > > > Richard for saving me time and trouble - I have two black ancestors > too. > > > > > > Accounts for my very frizzy hair and love of music mayhaps! > Reading > > > "Roots" by Alex Haley has now, more than this website, made me start > to > > > wonder about them. One was a slave who bought his freedom - West > Indies or > > > America I do not know. The other was from the Caribbean but I do > not know > > > where. My husband and I are similar in looks and he and some of my > children > > > have the same features. His whole family are from Anguilla BWI and > so one > > > wonders if there is a Black connection . Are we descended from the > same > > > line. > > > > > > All slaves in the Caribbean came from Ethiopa - Christian ?Muslim > and Jewish > > > (Falasha). But, he is also Jewish, so we may have descended from > the same > > > person, way way back, in Israel. But then how could the appearance > be so > > > similar after 3,000 years!!! The black line is more probable. But > the > > > likelihood of my ancestors coming also from Anguilla is almost > prepostrous. > > > Who knows? You'd need to be rich to find out!! > > > > > > One just keeps these things under one;s hat but nothing much can be > done to > > > find out more - unless one is the subject of some far out TV > documentary!!! > > > > > > However, I am just pleased to be part of all this, in a sort of > 'inner' way. > > > Know what I mean? > > > > > > Sara Weiss > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: <richwyn@idirect.com> > > > To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 11:44 PM > > > Subject: MSNBC News Link: DNA tackles a familys mysteries > > > > > > > > > > Richard Allicock sent you this MSNBC News Link: > > > > > > > > Message: > > > > Sara Weisss re-appearane on the DNA Issue was quite timely. Here > is an > > > MSNBC account of some-one trying to use DNA to fill the gaps in his > reearch. > > > There is also a link to the African Genetics for Genealogy > company, > > > Afrigenesis for those who are interested. Richard > > > > > > > > ** DNA tackles a familys mysteries ** > > > > DNA testing is adding a scientific twist to the search for family > roots, > > > one of the worlds most popular pursuits. Follow MSNBCs Alan Boyle on > the > > > genetic trail. > > > > > > > > > http://www.msnbc.com/modules/exports/ct_email.asp?/news/682153 .asp > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ ________ > > > > Check out the hour's top stories on MSNBC.com > <http://www.msnbc.com> > > > > > > > > MSNBC does not confirm the E-mail address of the sender of this > MSNBC > > > News Link. For your information, the sender's IP Address is: > 207.46.245.18 > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > > > > For information on individual islands, research aids, island > bulletin > > > boards or history please visit the CaribbeanGenWeb project at > > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~caribgw/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > > > Before posting a query, check to see if the question has already > been asked > > > on the List. All messages posted to CARIBBEAN-L are archived by date > or > > > thread at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/CARIBBEAN. You can > search > > > the archives at > > > > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=CA RIBBEAN. > > > > > > > > > > > > "Sharing the information." > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ ___ > > > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > > > > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > > > For information on individual islands, research aids, island > bulletin boards or history please visit the CaribbeanGenWeb project at > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~caribgw/ > > > > > > > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > > For information on individual islands, research aids, island bulletin > boards or history please visit the CaribbeanGenWeb project at > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~caribgw/ > > > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > Before posting a query, check to see if the question has already been asked on the List. 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----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Allicock" <richwyn@idirect.com> To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 2:45 AM Subject: Re: East Indian Indenture Immigration W.I. /St. Vincent Presbyterian Church. <SNIP> > And yet boys will be boys, and it was much to chagrin of the missionaries, > when the young children and young adults started tagging along behid the > Hindus when they celebrated their Festivals. Very soon certain festivals > were banned, for being disruptive to the work schedule on the > Estates/Plantations, but one also suspects also for the exhibition of > Heathenism. <SNIP> From what I have read, the Hindu festivals were permitted in Trinidad, althought there were instances where the activities got out of control. I'll try to look up a specific example... <SNIP> > It is also not surprisising that it was the Canadian Presbyterians that led > the way. It was also this group of Prebyterians that did much to > Christianise and educate a significant number of East Indians to produce an > anglicised East Indian middle class in British Guiana. <SNIP> The Canadian Presbyterians were quite successful in Chritianising the East Indians in Trinidad as well. They set up schools etc., and it wasn't long before the most fervent evangelists in Trinidad were themselves Indians.

I would be careful about using Alex Haley's book, "Roots", as a reference source -- based on lawsuits filed against Haley he "borrows" from other un-attributed works principally "The African," a 1967 novel by Hal Courlander and the novel "Jubilee" by Margaret Walker. Fine entertainment but ... While we will never know for sure, it is unlikely that many slaves arrived in the New World from Ethiopia (a) because of its geographical location; (b) because of the prevalence of Christians in that nation -- Europeans of the 16th through 19th centuries did not want Christian slaves since a major moral justification of the time was that the African slaves taken were not Christians; and (c) there is no folklore/oral history in the Islands to support such a theory. There seems to be an inference in Sara's message that the Jews of Jamaica got there from Africa. Is this intended? It seems to me to be quite clear that the Jews of Jamaica were Sephardic and came from Spain initially and later from Portugal via England, Brazil, Curacao, etc. The absence of the Dominican Order (and therefore The Inquisition) during Spain's occupation of that island may have had something to do with this. Cheers, Russ -------------------------------------- Persevere Russell G. Campbell Burlington, ON, Canada My Home page: www.it4biz.com/omnibus My Magazine: http://www.it4biz.com/omnibus/PortOfCall My Blog: http://www.it4biz.com/omnibus/rantrave My Genealogy: http://www.it4biz.com/omnibus/genealogy -----Original Message----- From: Sara Weiss [mailto:ksara@tesco.net] Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 2:49 AM To: CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com Ann, as I have already discussed elsewhere, look at Alex Haley's Epilogue to his "Roots". He researches the ship that carried his forefather, Kunte Kinta from Gambia - it went straight to America. As far as I have ever heard, slave ships went there from Africa regularly. IN the book "Roots" the question of which slaves went to the Caribbean comes up. Apparently, it was the unteachable slaves who were often transported there. But also, I have this info that slaves from Ethiopia went straight there and st ayed there. Why else was there such a large Jewish population of, for instance, Jamaica? Why are Jews so prevalent there - except in Anguilla the island at which I am looking . There, Jews have become Christian at least in namesake. But I am a beginner in all this. I only repeat what I have learned so far, but it doesn't correspond to what you are saying. Regards, Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann Whiting" <aqw8326@hotmail.com> To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2003 11:41 PM Subject: Re: MSNBC News Link: DNA tackles a familys mysteries > Dear Sara, > I have long been shouting in the wilderness, that slave ships/slaves did not > arrive in the US via non stop cruses, but were first sold in in Caribbean. > Seasoning is not something that is mentioned, or hardly ever mentioned when > Slavery is discussed. That was a period of breaking the newly captured > slaves. If they had the misfortune to survive the crossing, they were first > broken in the islands. > The misconception of the Triangle trade is that slaves were acquired in > Africa, ships stopped in the Caribbean for provisions and rum and then > proceeded to the US. The truth is , newly captured slaves were sold in the > Caribbean, and 'Seasoned' slaves were bought, then taken to the US for > resale. > Every African American has an African Caribbean connection. > Records show that that St. Thomas and Curacao were major Seasoning Markets, > as the Dutch, owned plantation on these islands, and owned the Forts in > Africa, and the ships they did not have to use a middleman. > So the possibility of a caribbean connection is not that far-fetched. > A Jewish connection is also possible as Brandenburg Company which managed > these stations were started and financed by Portuguese Jews from Bergen and > Gluckstadt. > In genealogy one must keep an open mind and expected the unexpected. > Ann > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Sara Weiss" <ksara@tesco.net> > Reply-To: CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com > To: CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: MSNBC News Link: DNA tackles a familys mysteries > Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 23:04:05 +0100 > > I'll tell you something else. Although I am mad keen to find out my Jewish > ancestry, possibly thro DNA - but unlikely according to Richard, thanks > Richard for saving me time and trouble - I have two black ancestors too. > > Accounts for my very frizzy hair and love of music mayhaps! Reading > "Roots" by Alex Haley has now, more than this website, made me start to > wonder about them. One was a slave who bought his freedom - West Indies or > America I do not know. The other was from the Caribbean but I do not know > where. My husband and I are similar in looks and he and some of my children > have the same features. His whole family are from Anguilla BWI and so one > wonders if there is a Black connection . Are we descended from the same > line. > > All slaves in the Caribbean came from Ethiopa - Christian ?Muslim and Jewish > (Falasha). But, he is also Jewish, so we may have descended from the same > person, way way back, in Israel. But then how could the appearance be so > similar after 3,000 years!!! The black line is more probable. But the > likelihood of my ancestors coming also from Anguilla is almost prepostrous. > Who knows? You'd need to be rich to find out!! > > One just keeps these things under one;s hat but nothing much can be done to > find out more - unless one is the subject of some far out TV documentary!!! > > However, I am just pleased to be part of all this, in a sort of 'inner' way. > Know what I mean? > > Sara Weiss > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <richwyn@idirect.com> > To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 11:44 PM > Subject: MSNBC News Link: DNA tackles a familys mysteries > > > > Richard Allicock sent you this MSNBC News Link: > > > > Message: > > Sara Weisss re-appearane on the DNA Issue was quite timely. Here is an > MSNBC account of some-one trying to use DNA to fill the gaps in his reearch. > There is also a link to the African Genetics for Genealogy company, > Afrigenesis for those who are interested. Richard > > > > ** DNA tackles a familys mysteries ** > > DNA testing is adding a scientific twist to the search for family roots, > one of the worlds most popular pursuits. Follow MSNBCs Alan Boyle on the > genetic trail. > > > > http://www.msnbc.com/modules/exports/ct_email.asp?/news/682153 .asp > > > > ______________________________________________________________ ________ > > Check out the hour's top stories on MSNBC.com <http://www.msnbc.com> > > > > MSNBC does not confirm the E-mail address of the sender of this MSNBC > News Link. For your information, the sender's IP Address is: 207.46.245.18 > > > > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > > For information on individual islands, research aids, island bulletin > boards or history please visit the CaribbeanGenWeb project at > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~caribgw/ > > > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > Before posting a query, check to see if the question has already been asked > on the List. All messages posted to CARIBBEAN-L are archived by date or > thread at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/CARIBBEAN. You can search > the archives at > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=CA RIBBEAN. > > > > "Sharing the information." > > ______________________________________________________________ ___ > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > For information on individual islands, research aids, island bulletin boards or history please visit the CaribbeanGenWeb project at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~caribgw/ >

Ann, as I have already discussed elsewhere, look at Alex Haley's Epilogue to his "Roots". He researches the ship that carried his forefather, Kunte Kinta from Gambia - it went straight to America. As far as I have ever heard, slave ships went there from Africa regularly. IN the book "Roots" the question of which slaves went to the Caribbean comes up. Apparently, it was the unteachable slaves who were often transported there. But also, I have this info that slaves from Ethiopia went straight there and stayed there. Why else was there such a large Jewish population of, for instance, Jamaica? Why are Jews so prevalent there - except in Anguilla the island at which I am looking . There, Jews have become Christian at least in namesake. But I am a beginner in all this. I only repeat what I have learned so far, but it doesn't correspond to what you are saying. Regards, Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann Whiting" <aqw8326@hotmail.com> To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2003 11:41 PM Subject: Re: MSNBC News Link: DNA tackles a familys mysteries > Dear Sara, > I have long been shouting in the wilderness, that slave ships/slaves did not > arrive in the US via non stop cruses, but were first sold in in Caribbean. > Seasoning is not something that is mentioned, or hardly ever mentioned when > Slavery is discussed. That was a period of breaking the newly captured > slaves. If they had the misfortune to survive the crossing, they were first > broken in the islands. > The misconception of the Triangle trade is that slaves were acquired in > Africa, ships stopped in the Caribbean for provisions and rum and then > proceeded to the US. The truth is , newly captured slaves were sold in the > Caribbean, and 'Seasoned' slaves were bought, then taken to the US for > resale. > Every African American has an African Caribbean connection. > Records show that that St. Thomas and Curacao were major Seasoning Markets, > as the Dutch, owned plantation on these islands, and owned the Forts in > Africa, and the ships they did not have to use a middleman. > So the possibility of a caribbean connection is not that far-fetched. > A Jewish connection is also possible as Brandenburg Company which managed > these stations were started and financed by Portuguese Jews from Bergen and > Gluckstadt. > In genealogy one must keep an open mind and expected the unexpected. > Ann > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Sara Weiss" <ksara@tesco.net> > Reply-To: CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com > To: CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: MSNBC News Link: DNA tackles a familys mysteries > Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 23:04:05 +0100 > > I'll tell you something else. Although I am mad keen to find out my Jewish > ancestry, possibly thro DNA - but unlikely according to Richard, thanks > Richard for saving me time and trouble - I have two black ancestors too. > > Accounts for my very frizzy hair and love of music mayhaps! Reading > "Roots" by Alex Haley has now, more than this website, made me start to > wonder about them. One was a slave who bought his freedom - West Indies or > America I do not know. The other was from the Caribbean but I do not know > where. My husband and I are similar in looks and he and some of my children > have the same features. His whole family are from Anguilla BWI and so one > wonders if there is a Black connection . Are we descended from the same > line. > > All slaves in the Caribbean came from Ethiopa - Christian ?Muslim and Jewish > (Falasha). But, he is also Jewish, so we may have descended from the same > person, way way back, in Israel. But then how could the appearance be so > similar after 3,000 years!!! The black line is more probable. But the > likelihood of my ancestors coming also from Anguilla is almost prepostrous. > Who knows? You'd need to be rich to find out!! > > One just keeps these things under one;s hat but nothing much can be done to > find out more - unless one is the subject of some far out TV documentary!!! > > However, I am just pleased to be part of all this, in a sort of 'inner' way. > Know what I mean? > > Sara Weiss > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <richwyn@idirect.com> > To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 11:44 PM > Subject: MSNBC News Link: DNA tackles a familys mysteries > > > > Richard Allicock sent you this MSNBC News Link: > > > > Message: > > Sara Weisss re-appearane on the DNA Issue was quite timely. Here is an > MSNBC account of some-one trying to use DNA to fill the gaps in his reearch. > There is also a link to the African Genetics for Genealogy company, > Afrigenesis for those who are interested. Richard > > > > ** DNA tackles a familys mysteries ** > > DNA testing is adding a scientific twist to the search for family roots, > one of the worlds most popular pursuits. Follow MSNBCs Alan Boyle on the > genetic trail. > > > > http://www.msnbc.com/modules/exports/ct_email.asp?/news/682153.asp > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > Check out the hour's top stories on MSNBC.com <http://www.msnbc.com> > > > > MSNBC does not confirm the E-mail address of the sender of this MSNBC > News Link. For your information, the sender's IP Address is: 207.46.245.18 > > > > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > > For information on individual islands, research aids, island bulletin > boards or history please visit the CaribbeanGenWeb project at > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~caribgw/ > > > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > Before posting a query, check to see if the question has already been asked > on the List. All messages posted to CARIBBEAN-L are archived by date or > thread at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/CARIBBEAN. You can search > the archives at > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=CARIBBEAN. > > > > "Sharing the information." > > _________________________________________________________________ > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > For information on individual islands, research aids, island bulletin boards or history please visit the CaribbeanGenWeb project at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~caribgw/ >

Bonjour Monifa, Le nom de Famille ZINGUE en Guadeloupe ? Je vais regarder, mais je ne pense pas avoir déja vu de ZINGUE. A bientot Aline Charles.Guadeloupe "Monifa" <monie4nothin@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<vdl7chccakik1d@corp.supernews.com>... > Salut Aline. J'habite en la Rue. Thomas. La partie de ma recherche de > généalogie est la famille de ZINGUE de Rue. Barts. Je me demande s'il y > avait n'importe quel Zingue dans Guadeloupe? Ferait vous faites un me > cherche s'il vous plaît. Beaucoup apprécié, Monifa (la Rue. Thomas, les > Etats-Unis les Iles Vierges) > > > > "aline" <s.charles@ool.fr> wrote in message > news:25840f05.0305240353.6129dd3f@posting.google.com... > > Bonjour richard > > Non, je n'ai pas de question(merci), je propose mon aide tout > > simplement, j'aime la généalogie et rendre service. > > merci > > Aline charles bénévole FGW et fil d'Arine 971. > > richwyn@idirect.com ("Richard Allicock") wrote in message > news:<00fb01c3218e$f5d119a0$16049ad8@oemcomputer>... > > > Cher Aline, > > > > > > Avez-vous une question? > > > > > > Richard > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "aline" <s.charles@ool.fr> > > > To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 1:22 PM > > > Subject: je peux faire des recheches Guadeloupe > > > > > > > > > > J'habite en guadeloupe et je peux faire quelque recherche mais je ne > > > > parle pas anglais,ni ecris. > > > > Amicalement aline charles Guadeloupe > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > > > > ROOTSWEB MAILING LIST HELP PAGES > > > > What is a Mailing List? > > > > http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/help/mail1.html > > > > > > > >

Hi Philippe, Car je ne parle pas français très bien, j'ont utilisé le traducteur de poissons de Babel. J'espère ceci est OK. Vous avez indiqué que le livre couvrirait les familles dans St.Lucia pendant la période où il était français. Car St.Lucia était Français 7 fois et Anglais 7 fois, pouvez-vous indiquer quelles années vous voudriez que l'information couvre? Penny