Dear Listers I have posted this message on the Jamaica list and the suggestion was that I should post it here too. I am seeking information about a shipwright called Benjamin SCURLOCK who died on the Island of Jamaica around 1824/1825. His will was proved in 1825. He mentions in his will the names of 4 brothers - William, John, Peter and Joseph - to whom he leaves his property and goods. He does not say where this property is. Benjamin SCURLOCK was formerly of Cornwall in the Island of Jamaica. I do not know how old he was when he died and would like to find this out. I hope he was around 60 years of age. If anyone has any burial records for Jamaica or memorial inscriptions around this time I wonder if they have a reference to a Benjamin SCURLOCK. Best wishes from Carol in Berkshire, UK

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Hi Carol: There are four citations for Benjamin Scurlock on Patricia Jackson's web site, Jamaican Family Search, at www.jamaicanfamilysearch.com This is a subscription web site, but by no means expensive and very worthwhile for anyone researching in Jamaica. I found citations for Benjamin Scurlock in the parish of St. James, which is, of course, in the County of Cornwall, on the northwest side of the island, in the 1818 and 1820 almanacs, and to the heirs of Benjamin Scurlock in the 1828 Almanac. The name of his property was not named, however. In the 1824 Almanac Benjamin Scurlock is listed as one of the pilots for the harbour. His burial record should be found in the parish records for St. James on FHL film # 1224328. Hope that helps! Dorothy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew FRANKS" <andy@carolfranks.fsnet.co.uk> To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: June 17, 2003 4:05 AM Subject: Death/burial in Jamaica > Dear Listers > > I have posted this message on the Jamaica list and the suggestion was that I should post it here too. > > I am seeking information about a shipwright called Benjamin SCURLOCK who died on the Island of Jamaica around 1824/1825. His will was proved in 1825. He mentions in his will the names of 4 brothers - William, John, Peter and Joseph - to whom he leaves his property and goods. He does not say where this property is. > > Benjamin SCURLOCK was formerly of Cornwall in the Island of Jamaica. I do not know how old he was when he died and would like to find this out. I hope he was around 60 years of age. > > If anyone has any burial records for Jamaica or memorial inscriptions around this time I wonder if they have a reference to a Benjamin SCURLOCK. > > Best wishes from Carol in Berkshire, UK > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > Before posting a query, check to see if the question has already been asked on the List. All messages posted to CARIBBEAN-L are archived by date or thread at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/CARIBBEAN. You can search the archives at http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=CARIBBEAN. >

Ok, before I get creamed, let me say it was Pencecola the Inneraritys and PantonS founded. Sorry. tony --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month!

Was Waco not founded by the Inneraritys and Pantoss? Richard Bond <RichardBond@webtv.net> wrote:The Johnny Carson Show's producer for many years was a man named Freddy deCordova whose parents were from Jamaica. There is an institution near Boston which was founded by a Jamaican called the "deCordova Museum" after Julian deCordova whose family had a business called Leonard deCordova & Sons mostly in hardware. The family paid for a shipment of glass. It was never delivered as the company went bankrupt. Julian was sent to the States to collect and ended up as the owner. He managed to make a fortune which he left invested in kitsch when he died. His executors sold it off and turned the building into an exhibit hall. The Presidents aunt was active there for awhile. Does anyone remember the "Waco Wacko" not David Kores but our own particular affliction. We had a poster who lost touch with her roots remembering only the boast that her family had ancestors who founded Waco and complained that they were being told that the founders were not Catholic. ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== Before posting a query, check to see if the question has already been asked on the List. All messages posted to CARIBBEAN-L are archived by date or thread at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/CARIBBEAN. You can search the archives at http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=CARIBBEAN. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month!

Bonjour It is rather impossible to respond because the lack of documents. Generally they came from west and a lot from Paris and around. For St Vincent and Grenade in the end of 18th a lot came from Martinique. You could find a PATRICE family in Trois Ilets (Martinique) around 1800. registers filmed by LDS Regards Philippe Rossignol Dans l'article <Sea2-F4723DcUyLbB7q00044686@hotmail.com>, cheryl_nneka@hotmail.com ("Nneka X")a écrit : > >Does anyone know from which parts of France predominantly did French >settlers to Grenada and St Vincent and the Grenadines come? I'm looking at >the surnames Patrice, Cordice, DeRoche and Ollivierre (Portugal is another >country I'm researching for this particular name). >

Hello: Maybe people who have rare documents can post them on the website. omar

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William, Lord Willoughby was Governor of Barbados in 1671. Sir Richard Dutton was given a commission to be governor of Barbados in October 1680. He was "unscrupulous in his persecution of those who opposed him" and was Governor until dismissed in 1685, having become a rich man in five years [History of the British West Indies, Sir Alan Burns, rev 1965; and Sugar and Slaves, Richard Dunn, 1973]. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carole Malisiak" <cam@bright.net> To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 10:37 PM Subject: Robert Dutton, Richard Dutton, Captain Dutton Finally, there was a Richard Dutton who was governor of Barbados about 1684. I am trying to find out when he was appointed and when he was replaced. George Fox had written a letter to the Governor of Barbados and visited the island in 1671. Who was governor in 1671? Richard Dutton had two daughters reportedly born in Barbados. One was named Philadelphia (b. 1687) and another daughter b. 1690. Other family members have reported to me that Richard was not well though of as he set policies designed to enrich himself and that he was sued. I would be thankful for any assistance. Carole Dutton Malisiak ______________________________

The years 1819-31 were noted for outbreaks of fever in Demerara. These were the years when every new arrival as a matter of course got fever within a few weeks. In 1820, 1821 and 1825 yellow fever is specially mentioned. The danger continued through the 1830s. In 1840 the Secretary of State for War enquired why, in a few months, 69 per cent of all the white troops in the garrison of British Guiana had died from fever [Health, Progress and Administration in the West Indies, Sir Rubert Boyce FRS, pub John Murray, London, 1910] John ----- Original Message ----- From: "espencer" <espencer@magma.ca> To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 7:08 PM Subject: Disease / Epidemics about 1817-1818

THere is a book available called 'The Jews of Jamaica' which sheds a lot of light on this topic. Another good book is the 'Lindo Legacy' which traces one Jewish family 400 years from Amsterdam to Jamaica. Nice little note ... the founder of the Jamaica Gleaner (De Cordova, a sephardic Jew) was also the founder of Waco, Texas in the 1830's Rory -----Original Message----- From: Sara Weiss [mailto:ksara@tesco.net] Sent: 14 June 2003 23:39 To: CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: The BBC Show? I am trying to reply to R. Anthony Warner but his e-mail address could not be resolved by my Windows XP - but I hope you see this Mr Warner anyway: Mr Warner - Is Spanish Town in Jamaica - and Spanish town? I know that Jamaica has or had a huge Jewish population as I wrote to Rev de Souza there and he told me that it once numbered 2,000!!! But there is no Jewish presence in Anguilla although there is a Jewish presence in both the Dutch side and the French side of St Maarten - very near. Sara Weiss ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dot Hodge" <DotH@gbc.co.uk> To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 8:13 AM Subject: RE: The BBC Show? > Dear all, > > Can I recommend that if you do have an interest in this programme that you e-mail or contact the BBC. The participants in the study were really disappointed that no further "follow up" work had really been planned by the BBC, in the form of educational videos, or even a helpdesk number, however the production company were keen to note that the more requests for information the BBC received, the more likely it was that further information would be produced. > > Can I therefore (in the true spirit of the lobbyist that I am) encourage anyone that has an interest in finding out more about this project, or even if you believe that a video should be available to contact the BBC. > > Site details are below. > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/feedback/ > > Best wishes > > Dot > > -----Original Message----- > From: Nneka X [mailto:cheryl_nneka@hotmail.com] > Sent: 16 February 2003 03:04 > To: CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: The BBC Show? > > > For those of us who weren't able to view this BBC show, is it possible to > get a copy of the tape? are there highlights on a website? > > Cheryl Hazell > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > ROOTSWEB MAILING LIST HELP PAGES > What is a Mailing List? > http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/help/mail1.html > > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > For information on individual islands, research aids, island bulletin boards or history please visit the CaribbeanGenWeb project at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~caribgw/ > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== ROOTSWEB MAILING LIST HELP PAGES What is a Mailing List? http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/help/mail1.html

I just finished watching this show on BBC4 in the UK .... it was quite good and the first time I have seen a documentary about this outside of Trinidad. http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/documentaries/features/coolies.shtml COOLIES: THE STORY OF INDIAN SLAVERY Monday 16 June 2003 9pm-10pm; rpt 1am-2am The slave trade was officially abolished throughout the British Empire in 1807. This documentary reveals one of Britain's darkest secrets: a form of slavery that continued well into the 20th century - the story of Indian indentured labour. Coolies: How Britain Re-Invented Slavery reveals the astonishing and controversial story of the systematic recruitment and migration of over a million Indians to all corners of the Empire. It is a chapter in colonial history that implicates figures at the very highest level of the British establishment and has defined the demographic shape of the modern world. Combining archive footage and historical evidence the programme includes interviews with Gandhi's great grandaughter, Uma Dhupelia-Mesthrie, about Gandhi's campaign to end indentured labour and David Dabydeen - author and academic - whose great grandfather was an indentured labourer in British Guyana. Coolies: How Britain Re-invented Slavery traces family stories through epic voyages across South America, the South Pacific and Africa, as descendants investigate their past and trace the last surviving witnesses.

Both Naparima College and Naparima Girls High School were part of the presbyterian effort in Trinidad and to this day are some fo the best schools in the island. Rory -----Original Message----- From: Dean de Freitas [mailto:caribgw@bellsouth.net] Sent: 16 June 2003 14:07 To: CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: East Indian Indenture Immigration W.I. /St. Vincent Presbyterian Church. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Allicock" <richwyn@idirect.com> To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 2:45 AM Subject: Re: East Indian Indenture Immigration W.I. /St. Vincent Presbyterian Church. <SNIP> > And yet boys will be boys, and it was much to chagrin of the missionaries, > when the young children and young adults started tagging along behid the > Hindus when they celebrated their Festivals. Very soon certain festivals > were banned, for being disruptive to the work schedule on the > Estates/Plantations, but one also suspects also for the exhibition of > Heathenism. <SNIP> From what I have read, the Hindu festivals were permitted in Trinidad, althought there were instances where the activities got out of control. I'll try to look up a specific example... <SNIP> > It is also not surprisising that it was the Canadian Presbyterians that led > the way. It was also this group of Prebyterians that did much to > Christianise and educate a significant number of East Indians to produce an > anglicised East Indian middle class in British Guiana. <SNIP> The Canadian Presbyterians were quite successful in Chritianising the East Indians in Trinidad as well. They set up schools etc., and it wasn't long before the most fervent evangelists in Trinidad were themselves Indians. ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== Before posting a query, check to see if the question has already been asked on the List. All messages posted to CARIBBEAN-L are archived by date or thread at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/CARIBBEAN. You can search the archives at http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=CARIBBEAN.

Richard B I'm truly grateful for that enlargement of my knowledge on refugee destinations in the Hitler era - because I once read an article on the Jewish refugees who arrived in Trinidad and no other British colony, I ignored the possibilities in the non-British Caribbean. John W ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Bond" <RichardBond@webtv.net> To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 9:10 PM Subject: Re: MSNBC News Link: DNA tackles a familys mysteries : Dear John W, : : Actually there were several places in the Caribbean that Hitler era : Jewish refugees went. There were Jews gone to Havana Cuba, Sosua in the : Dominican Republic, Port-au-Prince Haiti, Curacao and smaller numbers in : other places. : The majority of people with Jewish surnames in several Caribbean places : are Sephardic but only if you are counting the now mostly colored : Christian descendants of converts and half Jews. The Ashkenaz outnumber : in terms of actual religious adherents in St. Thomas and Curacao for : example.

Richard: Julian DeCordova was the son of Raphael Joshua DeCordova, who was born in 1824, the son of Raphael DeCordova, Jr. and Leah Martin. I would suggest that Listers check out the web page www.decordova.org/decordova/info/celebrate.html and decide for themselves whether or not the contents of the museum qualify as "kitsch". Jacob Raphael DeCordova, who founded Waco, Texas, was the half-brother of Raphael Joshua DeCordova, being the son of their common father, Raphael DeCordova, Jr. and his first wife, Judith. He was born in Spanish Town in 1808. His father, Raphael Decordova, a Jewish Jamaican coffee grower and exporter, moved to Philadelphia where he became President of Congregation Mikveh Israel in 1820. Jacob went into the printing trade and he and his brother, Joshua, founded the Gleaner and DeCordova's Advertising Sheet iln 1834 iln Kingston, which is still going strong as the Daily Gleaner. Jacob settled in Texas in 1839, living in Galveston and later Houston, where he was elected state representative to the Second Texas Legislature in 1847. He acquired large tracts of land to sell to settlers, and with two to other men he laid out the town of Waco in 1848-49.. Along with Robert Creuzbaur he compiled the Map of the State of Texas, first published iln 1849. Much subsequent Texas cartography is based on this map. He also wrote books which were influential in attracting settlers to the state. The business you mentioned, Richard, Leonard DeCordova & Sons, came much later. Leonard DeCordova, the son of Michael DeCordova, who was himself the son of Joshua Haim DeCordova, was the great nephew of Jacob Raphael DeCordova, and was born in 1866. Dorothy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Bond" <RichardBond@webtv.net> To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: June 16, 2003 8:48 PM Subject: The BBC Show? deCordova Family > The Johnny Carson Show's producer for many years was a man named Freddy > deCordova whose parents were from Jamaica. > > There is an institution near Boston which was founded by a Jamaican > called the "deCordova Museum" after Julian deCordova whose family had a > business called Leonard deCordova & Sons mostly in hardware. The family > paid for a shipment of glass. It was never delivered as the company went > bankrupt. Julian was sent to the States to collect and ended up as the > owner. He managed to make a fortune which he left invested in kitsch > when he died. His executors sold it off and turned the building into an > exhibit hall. The Presidents aunt was active there for awhile. > > Does anyone remember the "Waco Wacko" not David Kores but our own > particular affliction. We had a poster who lost touch with her roots > remembering only the boast that her family had ancestors who founded > Waco and complained that they were being told that the founders were not > Catholic. > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > Before posting a query, check to see if the question has already been asked on the List. All messages posted to CARIBBEAN-L are archived by date or thread at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/CARIBBEAN. You can search the archives at http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=CARIBBEAN. >

I had a look via Google, using keywords grow nutmeg Some of the links didn't work, and I took excerpts from the cached versions. http://www.kambing.com.au/mala.htm "Nutmeg trees grow best in hot, humid tropical conditions. ..... When they are young, they need protection from the sun and wind. " http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/load/tropical/msg0512331317555.html " ... my wife and I had alot of seeds and cuttings of diferent things to bring back...... About four months later my wife pulled out a purse from the closet that she hadn't used since Grenada and felt around inside and found behind the lining a plastic bag with black mushy stuff and some hard round things in it. When she opened it there were several nutmegs germinating! That is the only time we got them to grow. On the nutmeg plantations the trees are planted so close together that very little light gets through to the ground yet the ground is full of germinating seeds. That and humidity must be the secret. " http://www.theworldwidegourmet.com/spices/cinnamon/nutmeg3.htm "The nutmeg tree has a rounded top. Its persistent leaves have an attractive shiny green top, while underneath the colour tends towards a greyish-green. They are oval, lanceolate and about 10 cm long, resembling the leaves of a rhododendron. Amidst this foliage grow bunches of little pale yellow bell flowers. The male flowers differ from the female, but both have a pleasant scent. The only way of determining whether a tree is male or female is by its flowers. A male tree can fertilize 10 female trees though there exist, as with a few other species of trees, some bisexual elements. The round fruit looks like an apricot or a peach of a pale yellowish colour streaked with red and green. Once it reaches maturity, it splits open into two white-fleshed halves to reveal a somewhat ovoid, bright scarlet nut. Growing Nutmeg Nutmeg is grown in valleys from sea level to an altitude of 500 m. It is propagated by means of seeds. Its germination period is 6 weeks and the seedling is then transplanted into the ground. .... Harvest .... Inside the fruit is a brown, almost round nut that is dense, oily and hard, protected by a thin woody membrane called the aril. It is this tegument that envelops the nutmeg seed. This fleshy skin, sometimes called the "flower of nutmeg," is composed of a web of fibres whose colour often denotes its origin:.... Drying The aril is dried in the sun for a week or two and takes on a yellowish brown colour. It is then flattened and prepared to produce mace which is then sold in strips, small pieces, or ground. The nut is dried in the sun until the nutmeg in the centre produces a rattling sound, which can take from one to two months. Then the pit is broken with a stick or more sophisticated equipment. The nutmeg inside is 2 to 3 cm long and 15 to 18 mm in diameter. It is immediately dipped into a lime-based solution to prevent it from being damaged by insects. The Dutch also used this lime treatment to sterilize the nutmeg they exported as we noted in the history of nutmeg. " http://www.oldetimecooking.com/Herbs/nutmeg.htm ".... It needs extremely fertile soil and to be near the sea where temperatures rarely dip below 60°F (15.5C). " http://www.szgdocent.org/ff/f-rain3b.htm " The tree grows only 9-20m tall and most nutmegs are from small-holder farms. It blooms only at 5-6 years old, after which it continues to fruit for about 25-30 years. Each tree bears mostly female or male flowers, sometimes all the flowers may change gender in the next season. Thus the tree clearly depends on a pollinator to set seed and produce this important crop. But to this day, we are still not sure what the pollinator is. Some say it is a moth, others say it is a bee or beetle. Yet others suggest it is the wind. The main disperser of the nut are the imperial pigeon (Ducula concinna) and its relatives. They are attracted to brightly coloured aril, and drop the nut uneaten." Richard Allicock wrote: > <a number of questions about the cultivation of nutmegs>

Richard That's close, but I don't believe quite it. I'm reasonably certain that the broken word is supposed to be "medfølgende" (accompanying) -- with the phrase meaning "Is the freedom legitimized by accompanying documents," Since there is no hard "C" in Dansk, "Document" has the look of a somewhat fractured original. In general, especially with handwriting, it's impossible to do individual words outside their context (because the perceived spelling may be so badly off). There are others on the list (are you following this Heather?) who can likely to a better job, but if you send me some form of copy (a JPEG file would be perfect), I may be able to fill in your missing words. "Frigive" would mean "to liberate," "Frigiven" may be used to refer to one who has been liberated. Jack Walnut Creek, CA

On second thought the less said about "ole WW" the better Here though is the website for the Julian deCordova Museum formerly featuring the worlds largest collection of glass doorknobs. http://www.decordova.org

Hey, Heather, flattery will get you anywhere you want! Seriously, I really believe strongly in studying the area and time period in which I'm researching in order to understand it better, and to that end have bought quite a few books both on Jamaican history and on the history of the Sephardic Jews. My wallet is lighter, but I do believe that my knowledge is much improved as a result of this. Dorothy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heather Figueroa" <heatherfig@rogers.com> To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: June 16, 2003 9:05 PM Subject: Re: MSNBC News Link: DNA tackles a familys mysteries Ms. Kew........you incredible knowledge never fails to amaze me......thanks for all of the interesting information!! And Ernest as well. I learned a lot from you two. Like you and Ernest, I did not wish to comment further other than to say that I do agree with him and this has been a very interesting thread, even if it was a little heated. Hey....sometimes the best information comes out at times like this. But then you know me well.......chuckling to myself on that note......grin. Cheers......Figgs (who has 'both feet in mouth' usually) > Like Ernest, I also wished to keep out of this discussion, but feel I must > make a comment regarding the Jews of Jamaica. There is evidence of the > existence of Sephardic Jews, who had fled the Inquisition in both Spain and > Portugal, in Jamaica during the time of Spanish occupation. These Jews > remained in Jamaica after the Conquest in 1655. I would recommend that > anyone interested in the Sephardic Diaspora, particularly as it refers to > Jamaica, read the interesting little book by Mordechai Arbell, "The > Portuguese Jews of Jamaica". For further information about the Sephardic > Jews in general I suggest Jane Gerber's "The Jews of Spain". Piet Huisman > has written an excellent little book, "Sephardim: the spirit that has > withstood the times", mainly about the Sephardic Jews who settled in > Amsterdam and then in the Dutch West Indies, specifically Curacao, > Suriname, etc. A much larger work on that topic is Isaac Emmanuel's > "History of the Jews of the Netherlands Antilles". I mention these books > because there is evidence that there was movement of Sephardic Jews between > the Netherlands Antilles and Jamaica, as there was between those Sephardic > Jews who found refuge for a time in Recife, in the Pernambuco province of > Brazil, and then were forced to leave once the territory was captured from > the Dutch by the Portuguese. Many of these Jews found their way to Barbados > for some time, thanks to permission granted them by Oliver Cromwell, the > Protector. I know of at least one family that left Barbados for Jamaica. > > Many of the Sephardic Jews who came to Jamaica did so from England, where > they had been given permission by Cromwell to settle, some 400 years after > they had been expelled by Edward I. Around the late 1780s Jews from England > with German background also settled in Jamaica, and founded the English and > German Synagogue in Kingston, at a time when there were several Sephardic > synagogues in the island. > > There is absolutely no credibility to the claim that Ethiopian Jews ever > settled in Jamaica. To my knowledge the only connection to Ethiopia is the > 20th century Ras Tafari movement which came out of Marcus Garvey's Back to > Africa movement, in which the followers of the Rastafarian cult took the > Emperor Haile Selassie, the "Lion of Judah", of Ethiopia, whose original > name was Ras Tafari, as their spiritual leader. Other than that there was > no ethnic connection to Ethiopia. > > I don't want to get into any particular argument regarding physical > appearances, etc., but it should be noted that there was miscegenation > between Jews and blacks in Jamaica. There is evidence of this in various > will where Jews have recognized their natural children. And of course, > there has always been intermarriage among races in Jamaica, which no doubt > accounts for our motto: "Out of Many, One People". > > Finally, to completely understand the Diaspora as a result of the > Inquisition I strongly recommend Jeffrey S. Malka's recent book, "Sephardic > Genealogy: discovering your Sephardic ancestors and their world". It will > help people to understand just how far afield the Jews of Spain and Portugal > fled to and settled, and how to go about researching the records. This book > is available from Avotaynu, Inc., Bergenfield, NJ. Mordechai Arbell has > also compiled an excellent bibliography, "Spanish and Portuguese Jews in the > Caribbean and the Guainas". > > There is a lot of information out there. Remember, folks! We really > cannot do good genealogical research without first studying the history and > geography of the region where we are researching! > > Dorothy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ernest M. Wiltshire" <murcot@synapse.net> > To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: June 16, 2003 6:03 PM > Subject: RE: MSNBC News Link: DNA tackles a familys mysteries > > > I had deliberately kept out of this discussion, as I did not care for > the tone it was taking, but I must come to Russ Campbell's defence, as > my reaction to some of the statements being put forward as fact was > total disbelief. I think that if one is truly seeking knowledge, it is > unwise to insist on conjecture as if it were proven fact, and even more > unwise to attack those whose well-founded knowledge contradicts the > fiction. > > Moreover, Russ did say in his message that he apologized in advance if > he was mistaken, and that should have been more than enough apology; but > he can hardly be blamed for wondering whether this was all a put on: > remember we have had such an experience on this List earlier, so forgive > us if we are sometimes sceptical about queries that seem excessively > naïve. But enough already > > Re the topic of the slave trade, I would recommend yet another very > useful book: "The Atlantic Slave Trade: A Census" by Philip D, CURTIN, > 1969, University of Wisconsin Press, ISBN 0-299-05400; LC 69 17325, > > He deals with the difficult problem of how the numbers of slaves > imported from Africa have been calculated. It is again clear from this > work, that the vast majority of slaves came from West Africa: mainly > from Senegambia, the Bight of Biafra, the Bight of Benin, the Gold > Coast (i.e. Ghana) and so on, and a tiny percentage from Mozambique & > Madagascar. [People also tend to forget that a great proportion of the > slaves went to Brazil, not to North America, because of the Portuguese > connection]. > > Anyone with a particular interest in the Transatlantic Slave Trade > should not forget the numerous excellent books (& CDs) by David ELTIS, > which should be relatively easy to find. > > Ernest > > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > The CARIBBEAN-L FAQ can be found at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~caribgw/mailinglistfaq.htm. > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > The CARIBBEAN-L FAQ can be found at http://www.rootsweb.com/~caribgw/mailinglistfaq.htm. > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== For information on individual islands, research aids, island bulletin boards or history please visit the CaribbeanGenWeb project at http://www.rootsweb.com/~caribgw/

Ms. Kew........you incredible knowledge never fails to amaze me......thanks for all of the interesting information!! And Ernest as well. I learned a lot from you two. Like you and Ernest, I did not wish to comment further other than to say that I do agree with him and this has been a very interesting thread, even if it was a little heated. Hey....sometimes the best information comes out at times like this. But then you know me well.......chuckling to myself on that note......grin. Cheers......Figgs (who has 'both feet in mouth' usually) > Like Ernest, I also wished to keep out of this discussion, but feel I must > make a comment regarding the Jews of Jamaica. There is evidence of the > existence of Sephardic Jews, who had fled the Inquisition in both Spain and > Portugal, in Jamaica during the time of Spanish occupation. These Jews > remained in Jamaica after the Conquest in 1655. I would recommend that > anyone interested in the Sephardic Diaspora, particularly as it refers to > Jamaica, read the interesting little book by Mordechai Arbell, "The > Portuguese Jews of Jamaica". For further information about the Sephardic > Jews in general I suggest Jane Gerber's "The Jews of Spain". Piet Huisman > has written an excellent little book, "Sephardim: the spirit that has > withstood the times", mainly about the Sephardic Jews who settled in > Amsterdam and then in the Dutch West Indies, specifically Curacao, > Suriname, etc. A much larger work on that topic is Isaac Emmanuel's > "History of the Jews of the Netherlands Antilles". I mention these books > because there is evidence that there was movement of Sephardic Jews between > the Netherlands Antilles and Jamaica, as there was between those Sephardic > Jews who found refuge for a time in Recife, in the Pernambuco province of > Brazil, and then were forced to leave once the territory was captured from > the Dutch by the Portuguese. Many of these Jews found their way to Barbados > for some time, thanks to permission granted them by Oliver Cromwell, the > Protector. I know of at least one family that left Barbados for Jamaica. > > Many of the Sephardic Jews who came to Jamaica did so from England, where > they had been given permission by Cromwell to settle, some 400 years after > they had been expelled by Edward I. Around the late 1780s Jews from England > with German background also settled in Jamaica, and founded the English and > German Synagogue in Kingston, at a time when there were several Sephardic > synagogues in the island. > > There is absolutely no credibility to the claim that Ethiopian Jews ever > settled in Jamaica. To my knowledge the only connection to Ethiopia is the > 20th century Ras Tafari movement which came out of Marcus Garvey's Back to > Africa movement, in which the followers of the Rastafarian cult took the > Emperor Haile Selassie, the "Lion of Judah", of Ethiopia, whose original > name was Ras Tafari, as their spiritual leader. Other than that there was > no ethnic connection to Ethiopia. > > I don't want to get into any particular argument regarding physical > appearances, etc., but it should be noted that there was miscegenation > between Jews and blacks in Jamaica. There is evidence of this in various > will where Jews have recognized their natural children. And of course, > there has always been intermarriage among races in Jamaica, which no doubt > accounts for our motto: "Out of Many, One People". > > Finally, to completely understand the Diaspora as a result of the > Inquisition I strongly recommend Jeffrey S. Malka's recent book, "Sephardic > Genealogy: discovering your Sephardic ancestors and their world". It will > help people to understand just how far afield the Jews of Spain and Portugal > fled to and settled, and how to go about researching the records. This book > is available from Avotaynu, Inc., Bergenfield, NJ. Mordechai Arbell has > also compiled an excellent bibliography, "Spanish and Portuguese Jews in the > Caribbean and the Guainas". > > There is a lot of information out there. Remember, folks! We really > cannot do good genealogical research without first studying the history and > geography of the region where we are researching! > > Dorothy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ernest M. Wiltshire" <murcot@synapse.net> > To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: June 16, 2003 6:03 PM > Subject: RE: MSNBC News Link: DNA tackles a familys mysteries > > > I had deliberately kept out of this discussion, as I did not care for > the tone it was taking, but I must come to Russ Campbell's defence, as > my reaction to some of the statements being put forward as fact was > total disbelief. I think that if one is truly seeking knowledge, it is > unwise to insist on conjecture as if it were proven fact, and even more > unwise to attack those whose well-founded knowledge contradicts the > fiction. > > Moreover, Russ did say in his message that he apologized in advance if > he was mistaken, and that should have been more than enough apology; but > he can hardly be blamed for wondering whether this was all a put on: > remember we have had such an experience on this List earlier, so forgive > us if we are sometimes sceptical about queries that seem excessively > naïve. But enough already > > Re the topic of the slave trade, I would recommend yet another very > useful book: "The Atlantic Slave Trade: A Census" by Philip D, CURTIN, > 1969, University of Wisconsin Press, ISBN 0-299-05400; LC 69 17325, > > He deals with the difficult problem of how the numbers of slaves > imported from Africa have been calculated. It is again clear from this > work, that the vast majority of slaves came from West Africa: mainly > from Senegambia, the Bight of Biafra, the Bight of Benin, the Gold > Coast (i.e. Ghana) and so on, and a tiny percentage from Mozambique & > Madagascar. [People also tend to forget that a great proportion of the > slaves went to Brazil, not to North America, because of the Portuguese > connection]. > > Anyone with a particular interest in the Transatlantic Slave Trade > should not forget the numerous excellent books (& CDs) by David ELTIS, > which should be relatively easy to find. > > Ernest > > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > The CARIBBEAN-L FAQ can be found at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~caribgw/mailinglistfaq.htm. > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > The CARIBBEAN-L FAQ can be found at http://www.rootsweb.com/~caribgw/mailinglistfaq.htm. >