Off list some of us are trying to identify Gavin Smith's surveys of the estates of Grenada. We think there are more than one, and would ask anybody with information, to contact us, either on or off list, with details. A little snippet for interest: - - - - - - - Transcript from: Source: The Grenada Handbook and Directory 1946 1801 [Year] Governor Green went on leave of absence on June 8, 1801, and Lieutenant-Governor Houston, who was to have relieved him, not having arrived, the President of the Council, the Rev. Samuel Dent, assumed the Government. York House and the copyright of Mr. Gavin Smith's map of Grenada were purchased in the course of the year; the flaws of the latter purchase appear, even at this early date, to have attracted attention, for we find complaints that the actual details of some of the properties would not "fit in" with the map. - - - - - - - We don't need the names or the proprietors. We would just like to nail down the dates of the surveys. We hope to expand the information. Pre-1838 locations in Grenada, at least in "the country," by which I mean away from St George's, which is pretty well everywhere, are all about estates. Even post-1838, the villages took the names of the close estates. So, we're hoping we can add a little to c1838, and before and after, info on place names and family names. Of course, if there is any other relevant info on estate or place names, please let us know. Dennis, I've not forgotten you. David Watson family.watson@utoronto.ca

Sounds like a typical West Indian to me! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann Whiting" <aqw8326@hotmail.com> To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 11:19 AM Subject: Re: Grace ___ Busby from Statia > Wel l Sara, > I guess I am a mutt of the world, I am black, white, free, slave, african, > puerto rican, english, french, danish, dutch, St. Tomian, jew, > anglican,yobora, catholic, moravian, but cute. > Ann >

Shalom Ann! - are you a Jewess from the Caribbean ? Sara (Weiss) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann Whiting" <aqw8326@hotmail.com> To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 1:05 AM Subject: Re: Grace ___ Busby from Statia > Richard, > I don't know about your branch, but I grew up on Gifilte fish, we called > them fish balls, smoke herring ,Rasin, Black and Rye bread, Knishes, Matzah > wafers and lox on johnny cakes. To this day there is a box of wafers next > to my bed, to snack on when I am reading in bed. Our aunt Henrietta and her > family were Jews. > Ann > > > > "Sharing the information." > Researching the USVI, St.Eustatius, St. Barts, Barbados > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: RichardBond@webtv.net (Richard Bond) > Reply-To: CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com > To: CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Grace ___ Busby from Statia > Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 18:53:26 -0400 (EDT) > > We have the same oral tradition in our branch. > I have mentioned it when visiting temples in describing my ancestry with > Jewish friends and to my nieces and nephew whose father's family > is Hungarian American Jewish. > > Whether she was entirely Jewish I do not know as there are stories > indicating she too was part Asian. The probability due to those families > claiming us as relatives through her is that she was. Indeed Grace seems > from one of the Sephardic Jewish families that were then warehouse > operators in Oranjestad. They were mostly constructed in the 1700s > during the French and English War and the American Revolution boom > years. That stopped with the British invasion under Rodney and Hood. > They have slowly crumbled but were useful for cheap long term storage > for many subsequent years. > http://www.ecm.net/hsrj.de/statia/s60.jpg > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > The CARIBBEAN-L FAQ can be found at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~caribgw/mailinglistfaq.htm. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > Before posting a query, check to see if the question has already been asked on the List. All messages posted to CARIBBEAN-L are archived by date or thread at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/CARIBBEAN. You can search the archives at http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=CARIBBEAN. > >

Wel l Sara, I guess I am a mutt of the world, I am black, white, free, slave, african, puerto rican, english, french, danish, dutch, St. Tomian, jew, anglican,yobora, catholic, moravian, but cute. Ann "Sharing the information." Researching the USVI, St.Eustatius, St. Barts, Barbados ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Sara Weiss" <ksara@tesco.net> Reply-To: CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com To: CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: Grace ___ Busby from Statia Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 10:42:14 +0100 Shalom Ann! - are you a Jewess from the Caribbean ? Sara (Weiss) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann Whiting" <aqw8326@hotmail.com> To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 1:05 AM Subject: Re: Grace ___ Busby from Statia > Richard, > I don't know about your branch, but I grew up on Gifilte fish, we called > them fish balls, smoke herring ,Rasin, Black and Rye bread, Knishes, Matzah > wafers and lox on johnny cakes. To this day there is a box of wafers next > to my bed, to snack on when I am reading in bed. Our aunt Henrietta and her > family were Jews. > Ann > > > > "Sharing the information." > Researching the USVI, St.Eustatius, St. Barts, Barbados > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: RichardBond@webtv.net (Richard Bond) > Reply-To: CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com > To: CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Grace ___ Busby from Statia > Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 18:53:26 -0400 (EDT) > > We have the same oral tradition in our branch. > I have mentioned it when visiting temples in describing my ancestry with > Jewish friends and to my nieces and nephew whose father's family > is Hungarian American Jewish. > > Whether she was entirely Jewish I do not know as there are stories > indicating she too was part Asian. The probability due to those families > claiming us as relatives through her is that she was. Indeed Grace seems > from one of the Sephardic Jewish families that were then warehouse > operators in Oranjestad. They were mostly constructed in the 1700s > during the French and English War and the American Revolution boom > years. That stopped with the British invasion under Rodney and Hood. > They have slowly crumbled but were useful for cheap long term storage > for many subsequent years. > http://www.ecm.net/hsrj.de/statia/s60.jpg > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > The CARIBBEAN-L FAQ can be found at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~caribgw/mailinglistfaq.htm. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > Before posting a query, check to see if the question has already been asked on the List. All messages posted to CARIBBEAN-L are archived by date or thread at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/CARIBBEAN. You can search the archives at http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=CARIBBEAN. > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== For information on individual islands, research aids, island bulletin boards or history please visit the CaribbeanGenWeb project at http://www.rootsweb.com/~caribgw/ _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail

Dans l'article <115.24e39941.2c1eeb93@aol.com>, PennyKilbane@aol.coma écrit : > >Car je ne parle pas français très bien, j'ont utilisé le traducteur de >poissons de Babel. J'espère ceci est OK. Vous avez indiqué que le livre >couvrirait >les familles dans St.Lucia pendant la période où il était français. Car >St.Lucia était Français 7 fois et Anglais 7 fois, pouvez-vous indiquer >quelles >années vous voudriez que l'information couvre? > >Penny Bonjour Penny I read english... if the message is short and "academic" The time covers is the time of registers handled in France and filmed by Mormons : 1752-1788 Best regards Philippe Rossignol

Dans l'article <25840f05.0306160437.77f428ae@posting.google.com>, s.charles@ool.fr (aline)a écrit : > >Bonjour Monifa, >Le nom de Famille ZINGUE en Guadeloupe ? >Je vais regarder, mais je ne pense pas avoir déja vu de ZINGUE. >A bientot Aline Charles. > > >"Monifa" <monie4nothin@hotmail.com> wrote in message >news:<vdl7chccakik1d@corp.supernews.com>... >> Salut Aline. J'habite en la Rue. Thomas. La partie de ma recherche de >> généalogie est la famille de ZINGUE de Rue. Barts. Je me demande s'il y >> avait n'importe quel Zingue dans Guadeloupe? Ferait vous faites un me >> cherche s'il vous plaît. Beaucoup apprécié, Monifa (la Rue. Thomas, les >> Etats-Unis les Iles Vierges) > Bonjour Aline et Monifa Attention Rue Barth est une mauvaise traduction de S(tree)t Barth : St Barthélemy (:-)))) Cordialement Philippe Rossignol

Bonjour There is a list for Frenche West-Indies : http://listes.u-picardie.fr/wws/info/ghcaraibe and a web : http://members.aol.com/GHCaraibe Regards Philippe Rossignol

<A HREF="http://www.dkconsulateusvi.com/index.html">Royal Danish Consulate 1650-1825 pdf at bottom</A> <A HREF="http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USVI/StCroix">[ St. Croix ] rootsweb</A> <A HREF="http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=message&r=rw&p=localities.caribbean.usvi.stcroix&m=818">list of 1767 st. croix plantation owners</A> <A HREF="http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?ammem/gmd:@FIELD(SUBJ+@band(+Real+property++Virgin+Islands++Saint+Croix++Maps++Early+works+to+1800++))">st. croix annotated map</A>

<A HREF="http://iml.umkc.edu/StCroix/prince/pq1.html">Prince Quarter, cadastral index</A> <A HREF="http://www.horlacher.org/index.html">Horlacher Genealogy Site</A> <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~brbwgw/">CaribbeanGenWeb - Barbados - Welcome</A> <A HREF="http://www.usvi-on-line.com/sc/scmap.shtml">USVI-On-Line: St. Croix Maps: St. Croix</A> <A HREF="http://www.stcroixlandmarks.org/library.html">St. Croix Landmarks Library & Archives</A> <A HREF="http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/map_item.pl?data=/home/www/data/gmd/gmd5/g5012/g5012s/ct000319.sid&style=gmd&itemLink=D?gmd:1:./temp/~ammem_9ZT4::&title=Tilforladelig+kort+over+eylandet+St.+Croix+">MrSID Viewer - Tilforladelig kort over eylandet St. Croix</A> <A HREF="http://www.candoo.com/surnames/caribbean_r.txt">http://www.candoo.com/surnames/caribbean_r.txt</A> <A HREF="http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=localities.caribbean.usvi.stcroix">RootsWeb Message Boards [ St. Croix ]</A> <A HREF="http://iml.umkc.edu/StCroix/index.html">St. Croix project home page</A> <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~usvi/index.htm">U.S. (Danish) Virgin Islands</A> <A HREF="http://tampaus.com/stcroix/">St. Croix, Danish West Indies Map by P.L. Oxholm</A> <A HREF="http://genforum.genealogy.com/virginislands/">Virgin Islands Genealogy Forum</A> <A HREF="http://www.gotostcroix.com/sprathall/">Sprat Hall Plantation, St. Croix US Virgin Islands</A> <A HREF="http://www.dkconsulateusvi.com/">Royal Danish Consulate</A> <A HREF="http://www.candoo.com/genresources/microfilms.htm">Caribbean Genealogy - Resources - Microfilm Indexes</A> just to give a few. regards, Jason

Ann, I have read every book that I could find in NYC on early St.Croix history/genealogy. I thank you for the email. I am still looking for the elusive key bit of info to take me to the next island back. I have Heyliger, Richardson and dewindt genealogies. I have copies of the beck map and the earlier map that he copied his from. I have some of the early tax list info. I have bits of property info. I have plantation histories, etc. I guess I have been off the topic for a while and am rusty. At some point I will go thru my file boxes and organize the st.croix files. I need to put them online. Do you know Heather Nielsen? She has been very helpful to me this past year. I have quite a bit of posts on the various lists that are for st.croix genealogy. The 300 person list you mentioned is the one from 1767 or so? I have that one, thanks. Perhaps we could compare notes sometime. What are your surnames for the early 1700s? Mine are heyliger, Ruan, Gumbs, DeWindt, Richardson, BArnes, etc. regards, Jason Carpenter

Ann, have a look at the ryborg book online in pdf format at the danish consulate/st.croix/genealogy page. I can send you the link if you havent yet seen it. i have four of my RUANs "arriving" from Anguilla and Martinique and St.Martin during the time just before 1736 and into the early 1740s. John Ruan who owned No. 19 West End Quarter was there before the Danish. I have an email somewhere that explains how this was deduced from the Professor with the cadastral index-cartography site for st.croix. i am looking for the same sort of information that you have posted to the list. kind regards, jason Carpenter Pacific Palisades

would appreciate the link, Thank you Ann "Sharing the information." Researching the USVI, St.Eustatius, St. Barts, Barbados ----Original Message Follows---- From: Jnlnjack@aol.com Reply-To: CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com To: CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: Barbados to St. Croix , 1734-36 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 01:26:46 EDT Ann, have a look at the ryborg book online in pdf format at the danish consulate/st.croix/genealogy page. I can send you the link if you havent yet seen it. i have four of my RUANs "arriving" from Anguilla and Martinique and St.Martin during the time just before 1736 and into the early 1740s. John Ruan who owned No. 19 West End Quarter was there before the Danish. I have an email somewhere that explains how this was deduced from the Professor with the cadastral index-cartography site for st.croix. i am looking for the same sort of information that you have posted to the list. kind regards, jason Carpenter Pacific Palisades ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== Before posting a query, check to see if the question has already been asked on the List. All messages posted to CARIBBEAN-L are archived by date or thread at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/CARIBBEAN. You can search the archives at http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=CARIBBEAN. _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

It is not 17th/18th century, but, just in case: Neilson, John died at Trinidad 1853: Wigtown Free Press 1853; 29/09 1f John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger McCracken" <sarsol@gippsnet.com.au> To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 8:27 AM Subject: Neilsons in Trinidad

Thanks for the reply. We have looked at some LDS films and found some records. However the record did not list where the person was born, and since we are trying to trace them back to the U.S. (this is where they supposedly originated from), it was not very helpful. But, we will keep looking and hope to find a clue. Thanks again, Jeanine RossignolP wrote: > Bonjour > Have you looked at films of LDS ? > Records of St Martin (french part) have been filmed. > Look first at "Tables décennales" > In my files I have GUMBS (and GUMBS PETERSON) in ST Martin from Anguilla, and > BECKER (mayor year 1882). Nothing about LAWRENCE. > Regards > Philippe Rossignol > > Dans l'article <3EE4B2BF.3A8E2838@earthlink.net>, jalvel@earthlink.net (Jeanine > Lawrence)a écrit : > > > > >From: A new lister > >I am researching the Lawrences/Laurences who settled in St Martin/St Maarten > >in the > >early 1800's, and hoping to find someone who has more information on them. We > >have > >been able to trace them back to 1804 and here is what we have on them so far: > > > >Thomas Lawrence-B ??, M: Jane Bryan > >Their son: Thomas Lawrence-B:1804 in St Martin, M: Sarah Bryan > >Their sons: Edward S. Lawrence B: 1840 in St Martin, M: Susanne Catherine > >Vlaun > > George Thomas Lawrence B: 1830 in St Martin, M: Anne Louisa > >Gumbs > > John Charles Lawrence B: 1837 in St Martin, M: Marie > >Louisa > >Becker > > William Lawrence B: ??......not married > >The story handed down from family is that the original settler was a mariner > >trading > > > >between Boston and the Caribbean, or England to Boston to the Caribbean. > >Will be glad to hear from anyone who has more info, or is researching St > >Martin, or > >knows where we can find more information about St Martin's settlers and > >mariners. > >Jeanine Lawrence > > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > all messages posted to CARIBBEAN-L are archived at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Before posting a query, see if the question has already been asked

In the Danish Civil records the af Danish for of would be used for someone lacking the papers acknowledging blood relationship with a family from Europe. In some cases they were simply unacknowledged and in others merely former property.

Well we still do not know what they started with for Turobunsingh. The Indians I have asked so far do not recognize Turobun. The above was just a guess. In looking at the garbling of British and Danish virgin Islands surnames in Puerto Rican civil records I got the impression that some of the results might have been influenced by the absence of teeth. An example of an attached honorary prefix can be found in Seepersad which I think is taken from Sri Prasad

Thanks for the reply. We haven't been able to trace our Lawrences back to this country, but the story handed down is that they were from Boston, which could mean the greater Boston area as well....and that's a lot of territory. Jeanine Richard Bond wrote: > On my white fathers side I am descended from the Lawrences of Groton > Massachusetts. > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > ROOTSWEB MAILING LIST HELP PAGES > What is a Mailing List? > http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/help/mail1.html

Most of what you are describing in terms of cuisine is just as equally Scandinavian. Most of what is considered Jewish cooking in New York City is the same food that their Catholic and Orthodox neighbors were eating in Europe. In fact most of those Jews where Grace Busby was born were Sephardic and as such they would have had their own Sephardic food preferences. My grandmother probably had the greatest knowledge and she only surmised. Some of our relatives were Jewish by faith and by descent. Other relatives had Jewish surnames but were not. My mother just told me on inquiry that Aunt Henrietta converted to Judaism in Harlem with the knowledge that some of the family were already.

Thank you Dean for your prompt reply. I have emailed the coordinator and am hoping she knows English, as my French is a bit lacking. Jeanine Dean de Freitas wrote: > Jeanine, > > If you visit http://www.rootsweb.com/~caribgw/islands.html you can find out > the status of our country web sites. The French Antilles has a Coordinator, > but no website as yet. I also have links to Guadeloupe and Martinique on > FranceGenWeb. > > Dean > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeanine Lawrence" <jalvel@earthlink.net> > To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 8:40 AM > Subject: Coordinator for St Martin, FWI > > > Hello, > > I am new to the list and noticed there are coordinators for different > islands. Is there one > > for St Martin, or the French West Indian islands? I am also interested in > the English > > islands of Anguilla and St Kitts. > > Thanks for any info you may have. > > J Lawrence > > > > Dean de Freitas wrote: > > > > > Listers, > > > > > > I'm pleased to announce that one of our very own has stepped up to take > on > > > the USVI site. Please welcome Diane Ingino as our our newest Country > > > Coordinator. If you have any suggestions for the site, and wish to > > > contribute articles, links etc., please contact her through the List or > > > directly at dti@nyc.rr.com > > > > > > Dean > > > > > > P.S. Richard, I'm assurred that she doesn't use WebTV for her ISP. > > > > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > > > To unsubscribe from the list send the word "unsubscribe" (without the > quotes) as the only text in the body of an email message to > CARIBBEAN-L-request@rootsweb.com for the list mode or > CARIBBEAN-D-request@rootsweb.com if you are subscribed to the digest. > > > > > > > > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > > ROOTSWEB MAILING LIST HELP PAGES > > What is a Mailing List? > > http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/help/mail1.html > > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > Before posting a query, check to see if the question has already been asked on the List. All messages posted to CARIBBEAN-L are archived by date or thread at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/CARIBBEAN. You can search the archives at http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=CARIBBEAN.

Thats interesting what you say on Busby, my grandmothers maiden name was Busby but my great grandfather was from Ireland. I am unable to find his birth or parents marriage & their deaths. I have found a family of Busby from Antrim his county who go way back. There is a Busby list this is mostly American Busbys for those who are interested Sheila Senior England ----- Original Message ----- From: <MReilly169@aol.com> To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 6:57 PM Subject: Re: East Indian Indenture Immigration W.I. Names/Caste/Bengali > Just curious; my uncle by marriage was a Busby on his mother's side. They were from Rhode Island. I would think Busby is an English or Scottish name (lowland Scots and English are basically the same linguistically), as I understand it most Statians are of British descent albeit Dutch nationality. That -by suffice is Scandinavian, denoting a place name, but I forget exactly what it means, village I think. It's common in England and Scotland because of the heavy Norse settlement in the Middle Ages, the extent of which can be gauged by the name Ingleby, meaning "English Village," which tends to show that villages inhabited by the English stood out from the norm in Northern England at the time. I don't know what Busby means but it seems likely that all Busby families originate in the town of Busby, except for those who adopted the name. There may well be more than one town named Busby, however. > I would think if any Indians took the Busby name from American missionaries, they would have been Baptist, Methodist, or Congretationalist. Maybe Quaker. In any event some evangelical sect of British origin, and not Anglican or Lutheran. But then it would be hard to distinguish them from converts by English and Scottish missionaries, who were also active in the same places. The Scots would be more likely to be Presbyterian, I would think. > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > For information on individual islands, research aids, island bulletin boards or history please visit the CaribbeanGenWeb project at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~caribgw/ >