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> Is it likely that there was a great renaming sweep across the > plantation (or even island(s)?) in the early 19C - after 1805, and > possibly after 1812? (I cannot remember the date of the Pallmer > marriage). This is a very interesting post and the short answer is that I do not know though some people will be better informed than myself. But I have the impression from the Jamaican slave registers, it is no more than that, that the giving of surnames to slaves was certainly becoming more common as the nineteenth century wore on and I would associate this with the evangelical revival which must have affected many slave owners and possibly a feeling of defensiveness because of the attacks by the Abolitionists in England. Whether you could call it a "great wave" I doubt. In individual cases planters, with a crisis of "conscience", may swiftly have had all the baptisms registered and given their slaves surnames but again, it is only an impression, large slave owners with hundreds of slaves, seldom did so. I also have the impression, and I have done no numerical analysis of this, that the vast majority and perhaps overwhelming majority, of slaves of mixed race were given surnames. So as a hypothesis I would suggest that small and medium size slave owners, largely resident, with up to about 50+ slaves may have been giving surnames and registered baptisms more frequently though not invariably after 1815. I reckon from this time favoured household slaves were given surnames pretty frequently and although mixed race slaves may have had surnames earlier, houshold slaves did not. Certainly if you examine the inventories of slaves in the Tharp papers which look at several large estates earlier in the eighteenth century hardly any slaves had surnames. But all of this could only really be answered by a close look at the numerical data. And all the remarks above apply only to Jamaica which is the only lot that I have looked at. Edward Crawford ______________________________________________________________ This message has been scanned by the Datanet VirusScreen Service, powered by BT Ignite and Messagelabs. For more information please visit http://www.VirusScreen.co.uk.

-------- Original Message -------- Subject: OLLIVIERRE - OTTLEY Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 10:22:04 -0400 From: "James W Cropper" <jameswcropper@sympatico.ca> To: "Nevilla E. Ottley & Edgar E. Adjahoe" <clasebon@erols.com> Hi Nevilla, There is a problem with my Server and posting to the Caribbean List. I posted the following on the OLLIVIERRE Family Site. Jim Hi Cheryl. Have been trying to answer your inquiry on the Caribbean List - perhaps this will work. My server Sympatico has been blacklisted by Rootsweb so I can't post. Further to Nevilla's information, the St. George Cathedral records show :- - William Anthony OTTLEY (born ca 1815 - ? ) - Writing Clerk - married 30 May 1838 - Frances OLLIVIERRE (born ca 1816 - died 03 Mar 1846 age 30). His Father could have been the William suggested by Nevilla viz. William OTTLEY (born 1797 - baptised 15 Dec 1797 - buried 24 Apr 1820 age 23 all in SV) - Educated at Trinity Hall, Cambridge - Will dated 03 Oct 1819 proved 05 Jul 1820. The Will may be in the SV Courthouse which should provide additional info. She could have been the Francais DeROCHE/OLIVIER/OLLIVIERRE (baptised 27 Nov 1815) as suggested by others. William & Frances had at least 2 children. Mary Frances OTTLEY (born ca 1839 - baptised 23 Jul 1839). Margaret Amelia OTTLEY (born ca 1841 - baptised 04 Jul 1841).

Richard Bond wrote: >.... Quamin is a day name ..... > indicating that he was from the area around the Gold Coast. >..... Osonko is also an >African name. .... Both Osonoko (son of Tibby - I have not yet got to Tibby, so I don't know if she was African or Creole) and Quamin are noted as Creole. Can I take it that the names were given by their mothers, or did owners give African names (possibly at random) as well? My interest is not so much where what I think of as the "use" name came from, but *when* the formal names arose. I am informed that there was a move to baptise in the time frame I feel is correct for the names relating to the later proprietors (1810-1815), which satisfies me (though documentary sources would be icing on the cake). I now wonder how much choice slaves had in such baptismal names.

Briton is a name which seems to have come from his proprietors national pride. Quamin is a day name the same name and different form as Kwame indicating that he was from the area around the Gold Coast. You can find the complete chart if you lweb search. The men and women of that area are casually called by one of seven male or seven female names depending on the date of the week they are born. Osonko is also an African name. The Beckfords were one of the largest plantation owning families in Jamaica. Dawson was the white proprietor. The others are just standard European personal names.

I am sorry to hear that, I have heard of him. At the moment my main email account box is full but I am still available on WebTV through RichardBondii@WebTV or through the hotmail addresses you would find me using on the Rootsweb.com/~usvi rimabo@ and rimabo_gen@

Looking at slave names listed in the 1817 Register for St Mary's Jamaica at the National Archives, Kew, London, I noticed that the names were listed as nameA nameB nameC and looked very much as if each person had two names. Another plantation listed names as Original name and Baptismal name, and I wondered if something like that was going on. Examples of the names were Briton Charles Nicholas Pallmer aged 28 Quamin Richard Davis 31 Alexander Alexander Logan 16 Osonoko James Dawson 31 Dawson John Dawson 19 Beckford James Smith Lawes 36 Frederick William Hamilton 24 As well as wanting confirmation that my feeling that each had two names is correct, I was puzzled by some of the names used. The owner of the plantation, to Dec 1795 when he died, was Francis Dennis. His wife was Mary Burke (or Bourke), and his heirs were his young daughters, aged 13 and 11 when he died. One married James Hewitt Massy-Dawson, the other married Hugh Ingoldsby Massy in 1801, and then (he having died in 1805) Charles Nicholas Pallmer (who was born in 1772, according to http://www.hmc.gov.uk/NRA/searches/PIdocs.asp?P=44819). A lot of the names in the previous paragraph appear in the slave names, Charles Nicholas Pallmer being very obvious. But the heiress's husband was not a member of the owner's family when Briton was born, and was only 17 or so at the time. (References to him on the web deal with his adult life.) Briton's mother is named (Jane Simmons), so it seems likely that he was born on the plantation (I did not have time to read all the names). Is it likely that there was a great renaming sweep across the plantation (or even island(s)?) in the early 19C - after 1805, and possibly after 1812? (I cannot remember the date of the Pallmer marriage).

Listers, sorry, but I can't get this message thru any other way. To Richard Bond, I sent it privately, but it came back. I tried to reach your mother, but could not. Please tell her my brother Tony passed 6/14/2003, Palm Springs, Ca. Ann "Sharing the information." Researching the USVI, St.Eustatius, St. Barts, Barbados _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus

Cheryl My brother in-law is a Hazell from Perth Amboy NJ. Both of his parents are from St Vincent and in recent years he visited relatives in St Vincent/Bequa where its said that his family once owned a lot of land. Also the 1930 census of Perth Amboy NJ has the Ollivierre and the Hazell family listed. Hope this helps. Regards, Barry Mckoy Researching Mckoy, Taylor, Burnett of JA In a message dated 6/20/2003 1:48:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time, cheryl_nneka@hotmail.com writes: > If anyone has any links to Canouan/Carriacou/Mustique/Mayreau/Petit > Martinique, please let me know. I'm looking for the names Hazell, > DeRoche,Compton, Snagg and Ollivierre. > > I have some background on the Snaggs and Comptons but the origin of the > Deroches are eluding me. > > Also, I have reason to believe that my great great grandfather Henry George > Hazell was born into slavery in 1831 in St Vincent. How would I find a list > of plantations and their owners at the time? I know that his master was J.P. > > Hazell. I thought there was a registry of some sort in London. I hope this > isn't going over old ground again, bu can I find this type of information > there? > > Is the bag lady back from down south as yet? > > Cheryl Hazell > >

Nneka X wrote: >.... a list >of plantations and their owners...I > thought there was a registry of some sort in London. ... http://catalogue.pro.gov.uk/ Click on browse Browse from reference T71/493 Click on the - sign on the left of T71/493 to expose the rest of the list of items for St Vincent. Material is held at National Archives, Kew, London - one needs identification to get a reader's ticket, and they demand new readers go on a tour. Yesterday it was taking about 35 minutes to fetch requests. One can have at any one time: number of items issued for looking at: 1 number of items being fetched : 3 number of items being worked on, or fetched, or held ready for looking at: 21 If the St Vincent registers are like the 1817 Jamaican one I was handling yesterday (enormous falling-apart book), scanning would be required for copying, at £1.60 (I think he said) a page. Supervised free digital photography (own camera - no flash) was recommended as an alternative.

Nice to see you back flyboy --Lisa

Hello James Nice to see you all cheery and chipper and back . I need not comment on my own condition as am communicating from my secret bunker somewhere in "Hollywood" Ah...... I yearn for stardom but needs settle for survival. Season being what is and storm projections being nearly terrifying I am avoiding sleeping under coconut trees. I know at least two yards containing trees so full of the darn things that I dare never sleep on those city streets.I do hope that all things being equal both myself and my pet whale will be welcome in Barbados regardless of whether we are a: EDIBLE or b: sensible on arrival, obviously it is still way too cold in Toronto and the darned whale might die before giving testimony to Cindy....This cannot be allowed to happen or the legacy might be lost.... Anyway someone's got to do this once in awhile....last time it was streets full of water....please advise..... Cod

Jenni, Thanks for that heads up on L'Anse De Roche. No, I haven't seen any Faure or Billy names but I will ask my source over there. Cheryl _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail

Here's a very good link to learn more about Banks, Nutmegs, Capt. Cook and the Endeavour, Cook's other Voyages, Capt. Bligh, and much more. Lots of links to other related historical facts and persons from this page. http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir_Joseph_Banks

Here's the reply from Travel Docs. ----- Original Message ----- From: Support To: 'Richard Allicock' Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 12:09 PM Subject: RE: Joseph Banks Introduced Nutmegs Grenada 1782 The source is US Department of State Background Notes. Regards -----Original Message----- From: Richard Allicock [mailto:richwyn@idirect.com] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 6:00 PM To: support@traveldocs.com Subject: Joseph Banks Introduced Nutmegs Grenada 1782 Dear Sir/Madam, I would really appreciate hearing from some-one about the source of the information in the paragraph below. Most of the websites state the same "word for word" so there must be a written source some-where. Looking forward to hearing from you. Yours sincerely, Richard Allicock, Toronto, Canada During the 18th century, Grenada's economy underwent an important transition. Like much of the rest of the West Indies it was originally settled to cultivate sugar which was grown on estates using slave labor. But natural disasters paved the way for the introduction of other crops. In 1782, Sir Joseph Banks, the botanical adviser to King George III, introduced nutmeg to Grenada. The island's soil was ideal for growing the spice and because Grenada was a closer source of spices for Europe than the Dutch East Indies the island assumed a new importance to European traders.

I am still on the quest to find out the source of the information on several websites that claimed that Joseph Banks introduced Nutmegs to Grenada in 1784. I think I have found it on the U.S. State Department Website for which I send the link below. The paragraph appears on the Grenada Country page, History Background. I have also heard back from one of the websites I cited in the original email that got the thread going. The support team there confirms that their source was the U.S State Department Background Notes. The same information appears in the CIA fact-book which a few other websites that I cited in the original email for the thread, also acknowledge as a source. So now the question is: Where did the U.S. State Department get their information for the paragraph below, that appears on many websites ,giving Joseph Banks the credit for introducing Nutmeg to Grenada in 1782? "During the 18th century, Grenada's economy underwent an important transition. Like much of the rest of the West Indies it was originally settled to cultivate sugar which was grown on estates using slave labor. But natural disasters paved the way for the introduction of other crops. In 1782, Sir Joseph Banks, the botanical adviser to King George III, introduced nutmeg to Grenada. The island's soil was ideal for growing the spice and because Grenada was a closer source of spices for Europe than the Dutch East Indies the island assumed a new importance to European traders." The U.S. State Department link: http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/2335.htm

Hi, all... I have been off the list for a while for a number or reasons. One was that I am now using active SPAM fighting software and sometimes a desired address gets into the "enemies list" and strange things start to happen. The software actually bounces undesired mail - sends back a message that the email could not be delivered. As a result I was unsubscribed twice from the Caribbean-L and gave up the fight until I could find time to fix it properly. Hopefully we are at that stage now and it won't happen again!! After almost two years I have moved my daily activity from my laptop computer back to my desktop computer (laptops are not designed to operate 14 hours a day, every day) and today received the contents of two drives that had crashed. So now I have back my family tree files and am once again open to questions, data contributions and lookups on my own genealogy. You friendly folks may be happy to know that the Caribbean Surname Index continues to grow apace, and I have had several indications that it is indeed performing very well as I had hoped... one user was getting floods of email to an incorrect listing and complained. I rectified the condition immediately, but that little hiccup shows me the lists of surnames are viewed frequently and are directly useful. Since I do not get in-between the seeker and the source I have no other way of knowing how well the Index is performing other than feedback (very few people do write and tell me anything as requested). Anyway, just a short note to say that I am "back in Dodge" and still very busy (as always). I do have a backlog of things to do, so I will report as they are done. Regards, James C. "Jim" Lynch 510 Conley Street, Thornhill, ON L4J6T8, CANADA 905-760-2413 (direct, message machine) http://www.candoo.com/

Thank you to all for your very helpful responses re: HANSCHELL of the Danish Virgin Islands. Thanks to your help, I am fairly certain now that I have been able to piece together the Danish origins of the Barbados family. I do appreciate all your help! Ernest M. Wiltshire -----Original Message----- From: Michael B.Hardersdorf Subject: Re: HANSCHELL, Danish Virgin Islands & Barbados Look at http://www.dkconsulateusvi.com/HDC/stCroix/trinity/trinity.html#Church%2 0#1

Hello Jason: I though that diane suppose to be the new administraor on USVIgenwebsite. Perhaps she may be able to get info on there. omar

De Roche are in Carriacou including a place called L'Anse De Roche. Any Faure's or Billy's in the same islands during your searches? Jenni> > From: "Nneka X" <cheryl_nneka@hotmail.com> > Date: Fri 20/Jun/2003 05:47 GMT > To: CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Grenadine name research > > If anyone has any links to Canouan/Carriacou/Mustique/Mayreau/Petit > Martinique, please let me know. I'm looking for the names Hazell, > DeRoche,Compton, Snagg and Ollivierre. > > I have some background on the Snaggs and Comptons but the origin of the > Deroches are eluding me. > > Also, I have reason to believe that my great great grandfather Henry George > Hazell was born into slavery in 1831 in St Vincent. How would I find a list > of plantations and their owners at the time? I know that his master was J.P. > Hazell. I thought there was a registry of some sort in London. I hope this > isn't going over old ground again, bu can I find this type of information > there? > > Is the bag lady back from down south as yet? > > Cheryl Hazell > > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > ROOTSWEB MAILING LIST HELP PAGES > What is a Mailing List? > http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/help/mail1.html > > > __________________________________________________________________________ Join Freeserve http://www.freeserve.com/time/ Winner of the 2003 Internet Service Providers' Association awards for Best Unmetered ISP and Best Consumer Application.