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    1. Re: Richard Cheddie
    2. Dorothy Kew
    3. I'm trying to get in touch with Richard Cheddie. I've had a question at work (the Mississauga Central Library) regarding tracing Indian ancestry of indentured labourers who came to Trinidad in the late 1800s. If you're out there, Richard, could you please email me. Thanks! Dorothy Dorothy Kew Burlington, Ontario CANADA dkew1@ca.inter.net

    06/25/2003 12:34:34
    1. Re:PRO Naturalization Records
    2. Tian Uddenberg
    3. Does anybody know where I would find records of Naturalization for a Swede living in the Bahamas, becoming a British Subject? The year of naturalization is circa 1818. Thanks, Tian

    06/25/2003 12:11:26
    1. Re: Germans in Jamaica
    2. Ann Whiting
    3. Dear Barbara, You might find this interesting, http://www.ghi-dc.org/bulletin28S01/b28lindframe.html I ran across it doing a google search on shipping!. Ann "Sharing the information." Researching the USVI, St.Eustatius, St. Barths, Barbados ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Barbara Obaker" <bobaker@zoominternet.net> Reply-To: CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com To: CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: Germans in Jamaica Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 20:21:43 -0400 Thank you to all of you who have been so helpful and kind to help me with finding our German ancestors who spent about 6 years in Jamaica. The information about the Clarke's is very interesting! I'd like to find out more about them and Woodfield. I have seen Mr. Bromfield's information about the ship Olbers and the residents of Seaford Towne. Our ancestors' names are not there - neither any spelling of the last name nor any combination of first names (Ferdinand + Agatha + son John + baby William). I am still curious to know when the first ship from Germany arrived in Jamaica in 1834. If baby William was born in Woodfield, Jamaica on October 30, 1834 and slavery was abolished August 1, 1834, does that mean the German ships started arriving sometime between those dates or did they start arriving before August 1? Thank you again for all your help - you have been most kind and informative! Barbara Vogele Obaker Allegheny County, PA Researching: PA: Vogele-Frye-Berkey-Seger-Claycomb-Buell-Penrod-Shaffer-Oats-Bittner-Bishop-D ibert-Berkebile-Zimmerman-Ripple-Clark-Obaker-Coughenour-Bennett-Lang-Beatty -Woodward-Klites-Bruck MD: Obaker-Goodwin-Knapp-Stegemuller VA: Hankins-Flippin-DeJarnette-Staples-Sudberry-Mumford ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dorothy Kew" <dkew1@ca.inter.net> To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 7:37 AM Subject: Re: Germans in Jamaica > Hi Barbara: > > I've just done a search on Patricia Jackson's web page, Jamaican Family > Search, and found several citations for Woodfield. There was a Woodfield in > St. Ann, apparently in the Dry Harbour / Ruanaway Bay district. Dry Harbour, > on the coast, originally known as Puerto Seco, is now known as Discovery > Bay. (There's also a Woodfield in St. Mary, but I would say that the St. > Ann one is yours.) > > I found the following citations from Lawrence Archer's Monumental > Inscriptions, in the Cathedral in Spanish Town: > > 254. Sacred to the memory of Mrs. HONORIA GARVEY CLARKE only daughter of > NICHOLAS GARVEY and consort of WILLIAM GARVEY CLARKE, Esqrs., who departed > this life at her residence, Woodfield, St. Anns, on the 25th of June Anno > Domini 1837 in the 33rd year of her age. (Eulogistic lines.) > > 255. Entombed within this monument lie the remains of NICHOLAS GARVEY, > Esqre., proprietor of Woodfield, St. Anns, son of CHRISTOPHER GARVEY, > Esqre., of Murrisk Abbey, Mayo, Ireland, who departed this life on the 4th > of March A.D. 1817 aged 65 years. As a mark of respect his son-in-law, > WILLIAM GARVEY CLARKE, Esq., erected this tablet to his memory. > > Your assumption regarding the baptism of William is probably correct, in > that the Clarkes were sponsors at the time, and that his parents probably > worked on the Clarke's esate. With regard to your third question, re German > immigration to Jamaica in 1834, I referred to Madeleine Mitchell's excellent > book on Jamaican research, "Jamaican Ancestry: how to find out more", p. 94, > and a citation she gives for the following: -- > "A thoroughly researched historical study is 'German Immigrants in Jamaica, > 1834-8", by Carl H. Senior (Journal of Caribbean History, vols. 10 & 11, > 1978, pp. 25-53)" > > Hope that helps! > > Dorothy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Barbara Obaker" <bobaker@zoominternet.net> > To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: June 24, 2003 8:17 AM > Subject: Germans in Jamaica > > > > I have just received documentation that an ancestor of ours, William > > OEBBIKA, was baptized at Saint Patrick's Catholic Church in Kingston on > > November 23, 1834. He was born October 30, 1834 to Ferdinand and Agatha > > OEBBIKKA. The copy says that Ferdinand was a native of Germany and Agatha > > was formerly FAIRE (I'm assuming that's her maiden name). It also says > that > > William was born at Woodfield in the parish of St. Ann and the sponsors > were > > William CLARKE and Honoria CLARKE. > > > > This information raises a number of questions that I'm hoping some of you > > who know so much more about the history of Jamaica can answer: > > 1. Where is/was Woodfield in St. Ann's parish? Was that the name of a > > plantation? > > 2. Who were the CLARKE's - were they plantation owners? Clarke > certainly > > doesn't sound German, so I'm wondering if the sponsors were Jamaican > > citizen's for whom Ferdinand and Agatha worked. > > 3. When did ships with German workers arrive in Jamaica in 1834? Does > > anyone know where to find these ship records? > > > > Thank you all for your help! Ferdinand and Agatha left Jamaica in 1840 > and > > were living in Maryland by the end of 1840. > > Barbara Vogele Obaker > > Allegheny County, PA > > Researching: > > PA: > > > Vogele-Frye-Berkey-Seger-Claycomb-Buell-Penrod-Shaffer-Oats-Bittner-Bishop-D > > > ibert-Berkebile-Zimmerman-Ripple-Clark-Obaker-Coughenour-Bennett-Lang-Beatty > > -Woodward-Klites-Bruck-Whipkey > > MD: Obaker-Goodwin-Knapp-Stegemuller > > VA: Hankins-Flippin-DeJarnette-Staples-Sudberry-Mumford > > > > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > > For information on individual islands, research aids, island bulletin > boards or history please visit the CaribbeanGenWeb project at > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~caribgw/ > > > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > For information on individual islands, research aids, island bulletin boards or history please visit the CaribbeanGenWeb project at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~caribgw/ > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== ROOTSWEB MAILING LIST HELP PAGES What is a Mailing List? http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/help/mail1.html _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? 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    06/25/2003 12:09:45
    1. Re: Ships to the West Indies
    2. The people I am searching for were in fact crew members - and I believe they travelled from Avonmouth or Bristol to the West Indies. Their name is BEBBINGTON - the father was George, born around 1850 - the sons, Walter and Arthur born around 1880's I will check at the places you suggested Thanks for your help VANDA

    06/25/2003 11:45:32
    1. Ships to the West Indies / Lost at sea
    2. Richard Allicock
    3. Hi Guy, On a related matter - would there be records for any-one lost at sea in the PRO? Thanks. Richard

    06/25/2003 09:39:17
    1. Ships to the West Indies / Lost at sea
    2. Richard Allicock
    3. Hi Guy, On a related matter - would there be records for any-one lost at sea in the PRO? Thanks. Richard

    06/25/2003 09:39:17
    1. Re: Caribs on St. Vincent
    2. Richard Allicock
    3. Can you say if there was a Protector of Indians in regard to the Caribs on St. Vincent or Rotan? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Bond" <RichardBond@webtv.net> To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 3:25 PM Subject: Caribs on St. Vincent > There were more than just one group of Caribs on St. Vincent. As well > as the majority who were racially mixed there were also relatively > remote unalloyed Caribs. Some of the Black Caribs also remained neutral > or switched sides. When the majority were sent to Rotan there were also > Caribs both Red and Black who were allowed to remain. > > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > ROOTSWEB MAILING LIST HELP PAGES > What is a Mailing List? > http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/help/mail1.html > >

    06/25/2003 08:11:39
    1. Living relatives
    2. David Bladen
    3. Rootsweb places the word "living" before the surname on GedCom files submitted...within 100 years of the date of birth, unless the record indicates the person is deceased. David Bladen

    06/25/2003 07:48:29
    1. Re: Germans in Jamaica
    2. I have had a difficult time securing the book by Madeline Mitchell Pauline C.

    06/25/2003 05:36:16
    1. Re: Germans in Jamaica
    2. tony figueroa
    3. Hello Barb. A while ago I mentioned there was a list of the Germans arriving on the ship "Olbers" in 1834. That list was on David Bromfield's website. At the time there was a note that the list was removed because too many people were copying it and not giving credit to him for it. I see the list is now back on including Seaford Town residents. You may want to try his site. He has done a lot of work and deserves credit for his sheer volume of information. If you just Google David Bromfield, his site should come up Tony Figueroa Barbara Obaker <bobaker@zoominternet.net> wrote:Thank you - at least I know not to pursue those Clarke's. Barb ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Crawford" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 11:08 AM Subject: Re: Germans in Jamaica > The Clarkes that I know about and am related to were David Ross Clarke > (1800-1861) who married Elizabeth Ann Hall in 1827 in Jamaica. They left > Jamaica permanently in 1853. To be precise I am related to Elizabeth Hall. > David Ross Clarke had no brothers called William and that is as far as my > knowledge goes. So I cannot help you. > Edward Crawford > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Barbara Obaker" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 1:17 PM > Subject: Germans in Jamaica > > > > I have just received documentation that an ancestor of ours, William > > OEBBIKA, was baptized at Saint Patrick's Catholic Church in Kingston on > > November 23, 1834. He was born October 30, 1834 to Ferdinand and Agatha > > OEBBIKKA. The copy says that Ferdinand was a native of Germany and Agatha > > was formerly FAIRE (I'm assuming that's her maiden name). It also says > that > > William was born at Woodfield in the parish of St. Ann and the sponsors > were > > William CLARKE and Honoria CLARKE. > > > > This information raises a number of questions that I'm hoping some of you > > who know so much more about the history of Jamaica can answer: > > 1. Where is/was Woodfield in St. Ann's parish? Was that the name of a > > plantation? > > 2. Who were the CLARKE's - were they plantation owners? Clarke > certainly > > doesn't sound German, so I'm wondering if the sponsors were Jamaican > > citizen's for whom Ferdinand and Agatha worked. > > 3. When did ships with German workers arrive in Jamaica in 1834? Does > > anyone know where to find these ship records? > > > > Thank you all for your help! Ferdinand and Agatha left Jamaica in 1840 > and > > were living in Maryland by the end of 1840. > > Barbara Vogele Obaker > > Allegheny County, PA > > Researching: > > PA: > > > Vogele-Frye-Berkey-Seger-Claycomb-Buell-Penrod-Shaffer-Oats-Bittner-Bishop-D > > > ibert-Berkebile-Zimmerman-Ripple-Clark-Obaker-Coughenour-Bennett-Lang-Beatty > > -Woodward-Klites-Bruck-Whipkey > > MD: Obaker-Goodwin-Knapp-Stegemuller > > VA: Hankins-Flippin-DeJarnette-Staples-Sudberry-Mumford > > > > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > > For information on individual islands, research aids, island bulletin > boards or history please visit the CaribbeanGenWeb project at > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~caribgw/ > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > This message has been scanned by the Datanet VirusScreen Service, > > powered by BT Ignite and Messagelabs. For more information please > > visit http://www.VirusScreen.co.uk. > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > This message has been scanned by the Datanet VirusScreen Service, > powered by BT Ignite and Messagelabs. For more information please > visit http://www.VirusScreen.co.uk. > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > ROOTSWEB MAILING LIST HELP PAGES > What is a Mailing List? > http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/help/mail1.html > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== The CARIBBEAN-L FAQ can be found at http://www.rootsweb.com/~caribgw/mailinglistfaq.htm. Researching FIGUEROA,WHORMS, DEPASS, ABSALOM, INNERARITY, MARKS(MARQUES), RITCHIE from Jamaica, CARVALHO from Jamaica, Brooks --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month!

    06/25/2003 05:33:17
    1. Re: CARIBBEAN-D Digest V03 #170
    2. D. Ingino
    3. Hi all, A few weeks ago, Dean told you all that I am now the coordinator for the USVI GenWeb site. I want to thank those of you that sent me a "welcome message." I am excited about volunteering to do something like this, and I hesitated briefly before just jumping in. I am by no means an expert on the USVI, and in fact I have never been there. I figured, however, that since I had opened my mouth (so to speak) by sending a message to this List to complain about all the broken links on the USVI GenWeb site, I may as well just do something about it. I also recently had signed on as Admin for the Rootsweb Message Boards for the USVI. My job right now affords me much "down time" so I can go and clean up Message Boards and fix up a web page, not every day but fairly regularly. I have not yet gone into the site to change anything but I have some ideas, and will consider any suggestions sent to me. Send me links, too!! There are so many of you who subscribe to this list who are extremely knowledgeable about the region, and who have studied the history and researched your own families from the USVI. Most of my mother's maternal lines hailed from St. Croix and settled in East Harlem when they came to NYC. I have learned so much from many of you, but I feel it is just the tip of the iceberg - so, I am sure I will learn much more by taking on this responsibility. Maybe next year, I'll be able to make a trip to St. Croix. Dean tells me that I can create separate GenWeb pages for each island if I feel the need, and especially should do so if I plan on putting together any kind of transcription project. That would mean I would need volunteers to serve as Coordinators for each island's site. I have long had in my mind the idea of transcribing ship manifests for the islands, because I haven't yet found anything like that on the internet. Has anyone done this and I just don't know about it? I don't know what such a project would entail but it is something I would like to see happen at some point. I have noticed that most manifests from USVI ports aren't usually very long, so I think it would not be too difficult a project (well, at least, not as enormous a project as transcribing Manifests from, say, German ports). It should start with Manifests that are not available at the Ellis Island site. I don't know if it's necessary to create separate island pages - yet. This is all just in the beginning planning stages. If anyone has any thoughts on all this, please contact me. Thanks! -- ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Diane I. Life is good. dti "at" nyc.rr.com ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

    06/25/2003 04:36:26
    1. Re: Robert Wynne Oliver
    2. Nevilla E. Ottley
    3. Very interesting. Thank you, Jim. Nevilla James W Cropper wrote: >Hi Cheryl & Nevilla, >There is an interesting document on the surveying and division of the >Neutral Islands (St. Vincent, Dominica and Tobago), Grenada and the >Grenadines. It is available in the website :- >http://www.nalis.gov.tt/SlaveDeeds/Slave_LandDeedsSurvey.htm. > >It mentions that the Esquires William YOUNG, Alexander GRAEME, John HUNT, >Robert STEWART and Robert WYNNE were nominated, constituted and appointed as >the commissioners for the selling and disposing of the said lands and on the >said islands. > >Jim C. >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Nneka X" <cheryl_nneka@hotmail.com> >To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 6:05 PM >Subject: Robert Wynne Oliver > > >>Nevilla, >> >>I have a Robert Wynne Oliver who died of wounds at Barrouallie in St >> >Vincent > >>on Aug 18, 1795. This info comes from Kingstown, St Vincent St George's >>Cathedral burial transcripts. His death came five months after the death >> >of > >>Carib chief Chatoyer on March 14, 1795. He may have been wounded in a >>British skirmish of some sort aimed at crushing the Caribs completely. >> >The > >>Caribs finally surrendered in June 1796 and were dispossessed of all their >>agricultural lands. They were later exiled to Roatan. >> >>Cheryl >> > > > >==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== >ROOTSWEB MAILING LIST HELP PAGES >What is a Mailing List? >http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/help/mail1.html > >

    06/25/2003 04:24:07
    1. Re: Robert Wynne Oliver
    2. James W Cropper
    3. Hi Cheryl & Nevilla, There is an interesting document on the surveying and division of the Neutral Islands (St. Vincent, Dominica and Tobago), Grenada and the Grenadines. It is available in the website :- http://www.nalis.gov.tt/SlaveDeeds/Slave_LandDeedsSurvey.htm. It mentions that the Esquires William YOUNG, Alexander GRAEME, John HUNT, Robert STEWART and Robert WYNNE were nominated, constituted and appointed as the commissioners for the selling and disposing of the said lands and on the said islands. Jim C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nneka X" <cheryl_nneka@hotmail.com> To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 6:05 PM Subject: Robert Wynne Oliver > Nevilla, > > I have a Robert Wynne Oliver who died of wounds at Barrouallie in St Vincent > on Aug 18, 1795. This info comes from Kingstown, St Vincent St George's > Cathedral burial transcripts. His death came five months after the death of > Carib chief Chatoyer on March 14, 1795. He may have been wounded in a > British skirmish of some sort aimed at crushing the Caribs completely. The > Caribs finally surrendered in June 1796 and were dispossessed of all their > agricultural lands. They were later exiled to Roatan. > > Cheryl

    06/25/2003 01:52:02
    1. Re: Germans in Jamaica
    2. Dorothy Kew
    3. Hi Barbara: I've just done a search on Patricia Jackson's web page, Jamaican Family Search, and found several citations for Woodfield. There was a Woodfield in St. Ann, apparently in the Dry Harbour / Ruanaway Bay district. Dry Harbour, on the coast, originally known as Puerto Seco, is now known as Discovery Bay. (There's also a Woodfield in St. Mary, but I would say that the St. Ann one is yours.) I found the following citations from Lawrence Archer's Monumental Inscriptions, in the Cathedral in Spanish Town: 254. Sacred to the memory of Mrs. HONORIA GARVEY CLARKE only daughter of NICHOLAS GARVEY and consort of WILLIAM GARVEY CLARKE, Esqrs., who departed this life at her residence, Woodfield, St. Anns, on the 25th of June Anno Domini 1837 in the 33rd year of her age. (Eulogistic lines.) 255. Entombed within this monument lie the remains of NICHOLAS GARVEY, Esqre., proprietor of Woodfield, St. Anns, son of CHRISTOPHER GARVEY, Esqre., of Murrisk Abbey, Mayo, Ireland, who departed this life on the 4th of March A.D. 1817 aged 65 years. As a mark of respect his son-in-law, WILLIAM GARVEY CLARKE, Esq., erected this tablet to his memory. Your assumption regarding the baptism of William is probably correct, in that the Clarkes were sponsors at the time, and that his parents probably worked on the Clarke's esate. With regard to your third question, re German immigration to Jamaica in 1834, I referred to Madeleine Mitchell's excellent book on Jamaican research, "Jamaican Ancestry: how to find out more", p. 94, and a citation she gives for the following: -- "A thoroughly researched historical study is 'German Immigrants in Jamaica, 1834-8", by Carl H. Senior (Journal of Caribbean History, vols. 10 & 11, 1978, pp. 25-53)" Hope that helps! Dorothy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Obaker" <bobaker@zoominternet.net> To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: June 24, 2003 8:17 AM Subject: Germans in Jamaica > I have just received documentation that an ancestor of ours, William > OEBBIKA, was baptized at Saint Patrick's Catholic Church in Kingston on > November 23, 1834. He was born October 30, 1834 to Ferdinand and Agatha > OEBBIKKA. The copy says that Ferdinand was a native of Germany and Agatha > was formerly FAIRE (I'm assuming that's her maiden name). It also says that > William was born at Woodfield in the parish of St. Ann and the sponsors were > William CLARKE and Honoria CLARKE. > > This information raises a number of questions that I'm hoping some of you > who know so much more about the history of Jamaica can answer: > 1. Where is/was Woodfield in St. Ann's parish? Was that the name of a > plantation? > 2. Who were the CLARKE's - were they plantation owners? Clarke certainly > doesn't sound German, so I'm wondering if the sponsors were Jamaican > citizen's for whom Ferdinand and Agatha worked. > 3. When did ships with German workers arrive in Jamaica in 1834? Does > anyone know where to find these ship records? > > Thank you all for your help! Ferdinand and Agatha left Jamaica in 1840 and > were living in Maryland by the end of 1840. > Barbara Vogele Obaker > Allegheny County, PA > Researching: > PA: > Vogele-Frye-Berkey-Seger-Claycomb-Buell-Penrod-Shaffer-Oats-Bittner-Bishop-D > ibert-Berkebile-Zimmerman-Ripple-Clark-Obaker-Coughenour-Bennett-Lang-Beatty > -Woodward-Klites-Bruck-Whipkey > MD: Obaker-Goodwin-Knapp-Stegemuller > VA: Hankins-Flippin-DeJarnette-Staples-Sudberry-Mumford > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > For information on individual islands, research aids, island bulletin boards or history please visit the CaribbeanGenWeb project at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~caribgw/ >

    06/25/2003 01:37:52
    1. NEILSON in St. Vincent
    2. James W Cropper
    3. Hi Roger, Regarding NEILSON in the BMD records of St. George's Cathedral, Church of England, Kingstown, St. Vincent. The Indexes of Family History Library Film # 1162485 show :- Baptisms - no NEILSON but 5 NELSON. Marriages - 2 NEILSON and 3 NELSON. Burials - no NEILSON but 9 NELSON. To date there are no films of the smaller Anglican Churches or all the other denominations. Jim C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger McCracken" <sarsol@gippsnet.com.au> To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 11:30 PM Subject: RE: East Indian Indenture Immigration W.I. /St. Vincent Presbyterian Church. > Hi James, > > You write :- > >I have gone through the Transcripts of St. George Cathedral, > > Kingstown, St. Vincent from 1765-1870. > > I am seeking information on the birth of William NEILSON in St Vincent in > 1846. Do you perchance have any record of this, or can you point me in the > right direction for this information. I am, in particular, looking for > mother's name and address and father's occupation. > > Many thanks for any help. > > Roger McCracken > sarsol@gippsnet.com.au

    06/25/2003 01:26:38
    1. Re: Estate two friends on St.Croix
    2. John Weiss
    3. I wonder whether more caution is needed in posting information on living people? In these days of widespread identity theft, it might be better to restrict such postings to off-list direct communication with the people who are known to be interested. Is it Roostweb itself that uses the word "living" in place of the actual forename, or perhaps Ancestry.com? John Weiss ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann Whiting" <aqw8326@hotmail.com> To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 12:48 AM Subject: Re: Estate two friends on St.Croix : Dear Gosta, : I am related to George Simmons both on my mother's and father's side, : George's wife is also releated mo my dad's side of the family. : Here's what I have. : Ann : : : Descendants of Johnny Simmons : : 1 Johnny Simmons b: in Saba, Netherland, West Indies [ . . . etc . . . ; apparently including living connections]

    06/25/2003 01:04:19
    1. Caribbean Gift & Craft Show in Grenada
    2. Bourne Seniors
    3. This may interest a few on the List. Just wish I could be there with a pocket full of cash & someone to carry my bags all the way back to NZ. Maybe I'll have to plan our trip for 2005 so that we are there in September. Big things for a little Island, Go Grenada !! http://www.caribbeangiftandcraft.com/

    06/25/2003 12:41:27
    1. RE: Germans in Jamaica
    2. Rory McGregor
    3. After Slavery ended in Jamaica they attempted to bring in German and Irish indentured labourers. The experiment wasnt as succesful as expected and this led to CHinese and eventually Indian indenture. I also have ancestors who were of German origin, both from Antigua and Jamaica. The ones in Jamaica re migrated (like your own) to Canada in the 1850's (Draeseke), but the ones in Antigua are still there (Walter). Rory -----Original Message----- From: Barbara Obaker [mailto:bobaker@zoominternet.net] Sent: 24 June 2003 13:18 To: CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Germans in Jamaica I have just received documentation that an ancestor of ours, William OEBBIKA, was baptized at Saint Patrick's Catholic Church in Kingston on November 23, 1834. He was born October 30, 1834 to Ferdinand and Agatha OEBBIKKA. The copy says that Ferdinand was a native of Germany and Agatha was formerly FAIRE (I'm assuming that's her maiden name). It also says that William was born at Woodfield in the parish of St. Ann and the sponsors were William CLARKE and Honoria CLARKE. This information raises a number of questions that I'm hoping some of you who know so much more about the history of Jamaica can answer: 1. Where is/was Woodfield in St. Ann's parish? Was that the name of a plantation? 2. Who were the CLARKE's - were they plantation owners? Clarke certainly doesn't sound German, so I'm wondering if the sponsors were Jamaican citizen's for whom Ferdinand and Agatha worked. 3. When did ships with German workers arrive in Jamaica in 1834? Does anyone know where to find these ship records? Thank you all for your help! Ferdinand and Agatha left Jamaica in 1840 and were living in Maryland by the end of 1840. Barbara Vogele Obaker Allegheny County, PA Researching: PA: Vogele-Frye-Berkey-Seger-Claycomb-Buell-Penrod-Shaffer-Oats-Bittner-Bishop-D ibert-Berkebile-Zimmerman-Ripple-Clark-Obaker-Coughenour-Bennett-Lang-Beatty -Woodward-Klites-Bruck-Whipkey MD: Obaker-Goodwin-Knapp-Stegemuller VA: Hankins-Flippin-DeJarnette-Staples-Sudberry-Mumford ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== For information on individual islands, research aids, island bulletin boards or history please visit the CaribbeanGenWeb project at http://www.rootsweb.com/~caribgw/

    06/24/2003 05:50:51
    1. Re: RE: Germans in Jamaica
    2. Richard Bond
    3. I think Faire is Irish

    06/24/2003 03:30:39
    1. Robt Wynne Oliver
    2. cindy kilgore
    3. > Cheryl, Cheryl, this ain't no skirmish going on on St. Vincent! Do yourself a favour and purchase Shepherd's History of the Island of St. Vincent; you'll get the whole bloody scene. My office is too much of a mess to find the book and give you the details but I can think of a dozen folks on this List reading this that can give out the ISBN, etc., a lot faster than I can organize this mess. And oh, the luggage arrived this afternoon - will get a bagatelle out tomorrow. Promise to be a short one for those not Vincys. And thanks Jim C., there's a packet waiting me at the post office. Keep an eye on the mail, yourself. best wishes all, Cod, you still with us, man? (just checkin). Cindy > Nevilla, > > I have a Robert Wynne Oliver who died of wounds at Barrouallie in St > Vincent > on Aug 18, 1795. This info comes from Kingstown, St Vincent St George's > Cathedral burial transcripts. His death came five months after the > death of > Carib chief Chatoyer on March 14, 1795. He may have been wounded in a > British skirmish of some sort aimed at crushing the Caribs > completely. The > Caribs finally surrendered in June 1796 and were dispossessed of all > their > agricultural lands. They were later exiled to Roatan. > > Cheryl

    06/24/2003 02:03:19