Hi Richard, I have been looking all over Puerto Rico for the last name CHRISTIAN, I remember my father telling me that his grandpa came from England, but I am beginning to think that maybe he came from one of the islands in the Caribbean, Barbados, Jamaica etc. etc. His name was RICHARD CHRISTIAN and I guess he came to P.R. in the early 1800s as his wife, Maria de los Santos Orellana, was born around 1827 in the town of Bayamon, P.R I will really APPRECIATE ANY help, anything to be honest. thanking you in advance Macky Lebron Montalban Orange, CA ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

San Andres and Old Providence are two of the islands off of Nicaragua that at the time of your ancestor were under the control of the British but now belong to Colombia. They were used for catching and processing fish and turtles and are now a duty free tourism center. Most of the population are English speaking of Caribbean descent.

There were Indian contract laborers brought to the Virgin Islands in the 1860s and 1870s. Most of the India type Indian families who are now living on St. Croix came from the former British islands since 1960. There are some who have been there longer like Mae Amrit from Jamaica ten years earlier. I have ancestry from an Indian Alfred Busby who migrated there around 1885 - 1890 from Statia having I believe escaped a contract in Nevis in 1875. However if the Alfred Busby descendants are all thought of as being Black or Coloured now what family names were in and what became of the Indian first wave to St. Croix? Gladys, Thanks for info on the Bernhardts.

Is Gladys Armstrong still around? The Baltimore Orioles are considering doing a party for their India Indian fans and would like to get some info on the famly. If you call them 1-888-848-BIRD ask for the Public Relations Department.

When they were making the movie "A Perfect Storm" here in Massachusetts I had met their script consultant. They asked me what a typical West Indian meal was and I said salt fish and fungi. In the movie the one Jamaican fisherman realzing that he may be facing death reflects on how much he would love to be back home with his wife eating fish and fungi. Their consultant had failed to specify to me where in the West Indies.

My grandmother was a market herbalist and I remember her using various herbal medicines on us. We would often have Pluchea Odorata which we call Sweet Scent and the Americans call Salt Marsh Flea Bane. It is listed as toxic in some books, I guess since I am still here alive and healthy they must mean it makes a poor vegetable.

Off color as well as off topic The plant Abrus Precatorius is also called the Kittie McKwanie bush in the Virgin Islands and is used by Obeah women as an abortifacient. I wondered when I was young at who the name plant was named for and then as I became a bit older I realized that it was not named for any person and instead for what it does spoken in French. We need not go into it in detail. When I asked my father about it he said that it was unpredictable and the seeds could easily kill someone taking it for it's medicinal purpose.

For E. Wilshire or other experienced Barbados folk Wondered if one of you might suggest an experienced researcher for a short attack on the Archives. I am trying to fill the long standing voids in early deeds wills for any references to the Codrington name. This would cover period between 1638- 1700. No doubt a tall order! Also if anyone has done much with the Historical society journals from long ago Wondered who might be librarian of the Society now or an avid historian of planter gen. I recall Ronnie Hughes spending years on Deeds but have no idea if he is still alive or willing to correspond on the subject..... Any Advice much appreciated Chris Cod -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 377 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len

Thank you, Ernest! I have seen some excerpts from Noel Livingston's work.??No information?seemed to be related to our Livingstons.? I do appreciate the information on "Bermuda Settlers of the 17th Century" Genealogical Notes from Bermuda by Julia E. Mercer.? I do believe that our Livingstons also lived in Bermuda; this sounds like a great resource. Have a great day, Cheryl -----Original Message----- From: Ernest M. Wiltshire <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 9:09 am Subject: RE: Livingston Oddly enough one of the few publications on early Jamaican genealogy is "Sketch Pedigrees of some of the Early Settlers in Jamiaca" by Noel B. Livingston, originally published in 1909, and reprinted in 1982 by the Genealogical Publishing Co. of Baltimore Maryland.There are no details as to his own origins. The only Livingston pedigree he shows is on page 26: a John Livingston of Capergwin, Co. Watreford Ireland married Ann Brooks, and their daughter Mary married 17th Sept 1763 ot William Lawrence a corporal in H.M. 13th Regt of Green Drago(o)ns. The Livingstones may originally have been of Bermuda as early as 1649. You might want to take a look at "Bermuda Settlers of the 17th Century" Genealogical Notes from Bermuda by Julia E. Mercer, originally published1942-1947, reprinted 1982 by the Genealogical Publishing Co, of Baltimore, ISBN 0-8063-0987-3. (References to Livingstone & Perinchief) Ernest -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 10:13 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Livingston Hi! I am so happy to have joined this list!? I am researching my family members who lived in the Caribbean; Bermuda, Jamaica, San Andres and Old Providencia. I am interested in these people Gilbert Livingston, born in NY in 1718, moved to Bermuda and in 1748 married Joy Darrell, died in ???????? Bermuda Sept 1789.? Their children were Gilbert, Darrell, Henry, John and Margaret. Henry Beekman Livingston who was christened Jan 1757, Warwick, Bermuda. Margaret Livingston who married John Gilbert Perinchief. Philip Beekman Livingston who married Mary Archbold in Jamaica 1811, lived in Old Providencia where ????? their first three children were born, moved to Jamaica and bought a coffee plantation.? Their ????? children were Philip Beekman Livingston, Jr, Robert Livingston, Mary Livingston, Jasper Hall ??????Livingston (my great great grandfather)?and Lawrence Livingston.? Philip and Mary moved ????? to Ohio where Jasper and Lawrence were going to school.? Mary died in Ohio and Philip moved ??????to Galt, Canada with son, Robert.? His daughter Mary had moved there with her husband, ????? Robert Reid. Francis Archbold, the father of Mary Archbold, (my g g g grandmother)?lived on Old Providencia? ????? where he was a land owner and a Sea Captain.????? Mary Livingston, daughter of Philip and Mary married Robert Reid in Jamaica, he was from Scotland ????? and was a dentist. These are the ancestors I am researching and I could use any and all help I could get.? I would be happy to share the information I have with anyone interested.? Again, thank you for consideration of my request. Cheryl Livingston Markson No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.10/1091 - Release Date: 10/24/2007 2:31 PM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com

Oddly enough one of the few publications on early Jamaican genealogy is "Sketch Pedigrees of some of the Early Settlers in Jamiaca" by Noel B. Livingston, originally published in 1909, and reprinted in 1982 by the Genealogical Publishing Co. of Baltimore Maryland.There are no details as to his own origins. The only Livingston pedigree he shows is on page 26: a John Livingston of Capergwin, Co. Watreford Ireland married Ann Brooks, and their daughter Mary married 17th Sept 1763 ot William Lawrence a corporal in H.M. 13th Regt of Green Drago(o)ns. The Livingstones may originally have been of Bermuda as early as 1649. You might want to take a look at "Bermuda Settlers of the 17th Century" Genealogical Notes from Bermuda by Julia E. Mercer, originally published1942-1947, reprinted 1982 by the Genealogical Publishing Co, of Baltimore, ISBN 0-8063-0987-3. (References to Livingstone & Perinchief) Ernest -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 10:13 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Livingston Hi! I am so happy to have joined this list!? I am researching my family members who lived in the Caribbean; Bermuda, Jamaica, San Andres and Old Providencia. I am interested in these people Gilbert Livingston, born in NY in 1718, moved to Bermuda and in 1748 married Joy Darrell, died in ???????? Bermuda Sept 1789.? Their children were Gilbert, Darrell, Henry, John and Margaret. Henry Beekman Livingston who was christened Jan 1757, Warwick, Bermuda. Margaret Livingston who married John Gilbert Perinchief. Philip Beekman Livingston who married Mary Archbold in Jamaica 1811, lived in Old Providencia where ????? their first three children were born, moved to Jamaica and bought a coffee plantation.? Their ????? children were Philip Beekman Livingston, Jr, Robert Livingston, Mary Livingston, Jasper Hall ??????Livingston (my great great grandfather)?and Lawrence Livingston.? Philip and Mary moved ????? to Ohio where Jasper and Lawrence were going to school.? Mary died in Ohio and Philip moved ??????to Galt, Canada with son, Robert.? His daughter Mary had moved there with her husband, ????? Robert Reid. Francis Archbold, the father of Mary Archbold, (my g g g grandmother)?lived on Old Providencia? ????? where he was a land owner and a Sea Captain.????? Mary Livingston, daughter of Philip and Mary married Robert Reid in Jamaica, he was from Scotland ????? and was a dentist. These are the ancestors I am researching and I could use any and all help I could get.? I would be happy to share the information I have with anyone interested.? Again, thank you for consideration of my request. Cheryl Livingston Markson No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.10/1091 - Release Date: 10/24/2007 2:31 PM

Hi! I am so happy to have joined this list!? I am researching my family members who lived in the Caribbean; Bermuda, Jamaica, San Andres and Old Providencia. I am interested in these people Gilbert Livingston, born in NY in 1718, moved to Bermuda and in 1748 married Joy Darrell, died in ???????? Bermuda Sept 1789.? Their children were Gilbert, Darrell, Henry, John and Margaret. Henry Beekman Livingston who was christened Jan 1757, Warwick, Bermuda. Margaret Livingston who married John Gilbert Perinchief. Philip Beekman Livingston who married Mary Archbold in Jamaica 1811, lived in Old Providencia where ????? their first three children were born, moved to Jamaica and bought a coffee plantation.? Their ????? children were Philip Beekman Livingston, Jr, Robert Livingston, Mary Livingston, Jasper Hall ??????Livingston (my great great grandfather)?and Lawrence Livingston.? Philip and Mary moved ????? to Ohio where Jasper and Lawrence were going to school.? Mary died in Ohio and Philip moved ??????to Galt, Canada with son, Robert.? His daughter Mary had moved there with her husband, ????? Robert Reid. Francis Archbold, the father of Mary Archbold, (my g g g grandmother)?lived on Old Providencia? ????? where he was a land owner and a Sea Captain.????? Mary Livingston, daughter of Philip and Mary married Robert Reid in Jamaica, he was from Scotland ????? and was a dentist. These are the ancestors I am researching and I could use any and all help I could get.? I would be happy to share the information I have with anyone interested.? Again, thank you for consideration of my request. Cheryl Livingston Markson ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com

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Hi Gary, What is your source that he is from a place called St. Thomas? Perhaps if you could find a death certificate, obituary, etc. it might be clearer as to where Mathew was born. Skin color in the children can vary widely with the same parents so beware of trying to make any assumptions on this basis. The name Petrina is in my island family (St. Thomas, Virgin Islands), the name being a female version of Peter. Dante On Oct 22, 2007, at 2:00 AM, [email protected] wrote: > Hi List > > I wrote a short while ago of a Mathew HATCHETT, who on the 1901 census > states he was born in the west indies, I did find out that he was > from a > place called St Thomas, Now that is the name of an island in the > virgin > islands, and also a placename in a few other locations in the > islands. > > My Querry is that I have a photo of him , showing that he was not > completely white , However He had a daughter,who was white ,in fact I > have found out that this child of his was the only one like that, > Matthews wife was white, Now I have to find out if this daughter was > the born prior to his marriage by someone else, or was the last one > after matthews on children were born , i suspect this as the white > daughter (Matilda kathleen HATCHETT) was not born till 1903, her > mother > was Matilda Emily HATCHETT..nee: TAPPENDEN > > Matilda Kathleens wedding certificate in 1920 clearly states her > father > as Matthew Siddesman HATCHETT, I,m thinking he gave his name to her . > > Also I have found that a Julia petriana was born to matthew > hatchett, is > petriana a first name in the islands. > > Matthew was born c1860, any help appreciated with this family , I can > send anyone a photo of one of matthews children(adult) showing their > colour and features in order that they he be reconised as that of > coming from the islands. > > By the way all events after matthews birth relate to the county of > kent > in england. > > gary hodge

Hi List I wrote a short while ago of a Mathew HATCHETT, who on the 1901 census states he was born in the west indies, I did find out that he was from a place called St Thomas, Now that is the name of an island in the virgin islands, and also a placename in a few other locations in the islands. My Querry is that I have a photo of him , showing that he was not completely white , However He had a daughter,who was white ,in fact I have found out that this child of his was the only one like that, Matthews wife was white, Now I have to find out if this daughter was the born prior to his marriage by someone else, or was the last one after matthews on children were born , i suspect this as the white daughter (Matilda kathleen HATCHETT) was not born till 1903, her mother was Matilda Emily HATCHETT..nee: TAPPENDEN Matilda Kathleens wedding certificate in 1920 clearly states her father as Matthew Siddesman HATCHETT, I,m thinking he gave his name to her . Also I have found that a Julia petriana was born to matthew hatchett, is petriana a first name in the islands. Matthew was born c1860, any help appreciated with this family , I can send anyone a photo of one of matthews children(adult) showing their colour and features in order that they he be reconised as that of coming from the islands. By the way all events after matthews birth relate to the county of kent in england. gary hodge

In message <[email protected]>, Alan Wilson <[email protected]> writes >Thank you for your reply. I put Caesalpinia bonduc in Google as you >suggested and saw many examples, but that is not my "donkies eyes" >bean. Google will tell that you Donkey's Eye is another name for the seed of Mucuna pruriens. -- Jenny "I always like to have the morning well-aired before I get up." (Beau Brummel, 1778-1840)

There seems to be some confusion over whether the pictures are true to the plant on Google. I am afraid Ive found quite a lot of errors on various horticultural items especially on the images not representing plants being shown. I think the link below should give a reasonable idea of the plant http://www.seabean.com/guide/Caesalpinia_bonduc/index.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dante" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 8:02 AM Subject: Re: Caribbean botanical memories > Hello, > > The 'hot rocks' seeds are gray in color, about 3/4" in diameter. > And yes, you are correct- it is a seaside plant, low growing vine. > Google the scientific name (Caesalpinia bonduc is the correct > spelling) and you can find some pictures and see if these are your > 'donkies eyes'. > > My daughter was quite interested in the stories that went along with > the seeds, and I believe she has the most unique seed collection in > her class. > > Thanks for your response- I'd be interested in hearing some of your > childhood stories from Grenada. I've also enjoyed the other > responses to the thread as they bring back other memories- bush tea, > fish and fungi (Coo-coo sounds like our fungi- pronounced 'foon- > gee'), pea soup, hot peppa bottle (if you were leaving to the states > it was standard to take along a bottle). > > Dante > > On Oct 17, 2007, at 2:00 AM, [email protected] wrote: > >> I have just read your description of the different seeds your gave you >> daughter to take to school. It brought back such similar memories >> of my >> life, growing up in Grenada in the country on a cocoa plantation. >> As I read >> I wondered if you would have gathered what we called "donkies eyes" >> = nickar >> beans (Caeselpinia bonduc) 'hot rocks'! How well I remember >> collection >> them, I believe along the shore line, where they had been washed >> up, or >> brought down from the mountains by a river. I remember the red and >> black >> Abrus precatorius so well, and the next time I go to Grenada, I'm >> going to >> try and find a collection of 'seeds/beans' for my grandchildren, >> who love to >> hear stories of my early life on the Island. Thank you for a >> lovely memory >> trip this dull, rainy, cool, English morning. >> >> Maureen > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Dante Thank you for your reply. I put Caesalpinia bonduc in Google as you suggested and saw many examples, but that is not my "donkies eyes" bean. So, I'm going to e-mail my cousin in Grenada and ask him to try and find and photograph a "donkies eye" and forward his picture to me. Of course I will share in the result. Can't wait!! My bean is flatter, darker, with a half rim of hard skin, hard to describe, but if I can't get a result I will have to find one when next I visit Grenada. Kind regards, Maureen

Hi list The beans ended up sending me on a wonderfull search thanks for that....but donkey's eye wasn't as easy to find as I thought it would be although I found a book on "drift" beans found on the shores of Europe on J Stor of which only one page was available But there was a site on Jamaica by a group of botanists and found this quote: "In the end we didn't find Euphorbia alata, so we'll have to keep searching for it. We did however collect some interesting species not previously recorded from the Cockpit Country flora. One of these is "donkey eye," Mucuna sloanei, a member of the bean family with large round seeds. Rumpy told us the seeds are placed in jugs of water to keep the water cool. I have to say I'm skeptical about the physical properties of these seeds, and I'd like to do my own experiment some time." Cod > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:caribbean- > [email protected]] On Behalf Of Jenny M Benson > Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 6:29 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Caribbean botanical memories > > In message <[email protected]>, Alan > Wilson <[email protected]> writes > >Thank you for your reply. I put Caesalpinia bonduc in Google as you > >suggested and saw many examples, but that is not my "donkies eyes" > >bean. > > Google will tell that you Donkey's Eye is another name for the seed of > Mucuna pruriens. > -- > Jenny > "I always like to have the morning well-aired before I get up." > (Beau Brummel, 1778-1840) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARIBBEAN- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 321 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len

What I know as 'Jackass Rope', was made from 'guana tail' or mother-in-laws tongue. We would pound the leaves to release the fibers, wash them and comb it out. We would then braid it. I makes an excellent whip, used by the Makoe Jumbies during carnival, to 'pop and crack' at the bystanders. Ann"Sharing the information."Researching the USVI, St.Eustatius, St. Barths, Barbados> Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 16:37:48 -0700> From: [email protected]> Subject: botanical memories> To: [email protected]> > > Since we are probably off topic, let me ask if anyone> remembers, or knows what "jackass rope" is> > It could be a marker for roots in the Jamaica country> parts.> > My grandfather, Harold Whorms, used to make "jackass> rope" and always carried some with him.> > Tony Figueroa> > Researching FIGUEROA,WHORMS, DEPASS, ABSALOM, INNERARITY, MARKS(MARQUES), RITCHIE from Jamaica, CARVALHO from Jamaica, Brooks> > __________________________________________________> Do You Yahoo!?> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Tony this is off topic as well. Can you give me any info on your DePass. My Great Grandmother was Sarah Ann whom I am named after. Sarah Ann --------------------------------- Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today!