----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Wilson" <[email protected]> To: "Emanuel, Yvonne E CIV USA AMC" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 4:02 PM Subject: McIntyre family > Hi Yvonne, > > Thank you so much for recent info. on my McIntyre family. All received, > now we have to sort out the info. you have sent, to see where everyone > fits in. You have obviously got the family correct so far. I descend > from the third marriage of Donald Allan McIntyre to Eloisa Jane Roberts - > they were my Mum's parents. Resided in Gouyave, and all the history of > the McIntyre's and their businesses in Gouyave is correct and one of Mum's > brothers also Donald did live at Hillview - I have stayed there. > > My need to know is: where my grandfather (Donald Allan McIntyre) was born > and who were his parents? > > Where do you live? > > Lovely to hear from you and many thanks. > > Maureen (Wilson) Alan's wife > > We live in the UK >

Maureen, Donald was your dad and your uncle you didn't name? SNIP: ...the McIntyre's and their businesses in Gouyave is correct and one of Mum's > brothers also Donald did live at Hillview Question: Are you familiar with: "Famuel Emanuel Roberts (M-married) Cecilia Patrice-Roberts" "Patrice" was her surname. Famuel Roberts was from Trinidad and had children in Grenada (in ond out of his marriage) I say that because Cecilia may not be the name you are aquainted with. THis Roberts could have gone to Trinidad and returned to Grenada. Two of the sons names (that I can get right now) who are up in years now are Conrad and Hycenth Roberts from Grenada. If any of this makes sense I will continue Yvonne -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Emanuel, Yvonne E CIV USA AMC Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 12:02 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: McIntyre family Maureen, Ohh ok I see where a Donald Roberts lived at Hillview... Do you have Roberts relations in Grenada? Yvonne -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Emanuel, Yvonne E CIV USA AMC Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 11:46 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: McIntyre family Maureen, I Hail from NJ by way of Brooklyn NY. Tell me , did Eloisa have a brother who carried on the "Roberts" surname in Grenada? -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Alan Wilson Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 11:06 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Fw: McIntyre family ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Wilson" <[email protected]> To: "Emanuel, Yvonne E CIV USA AMC" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 4:02 PM Subject: McIntyre family > Hi Yvonne, > > Thank you so much for recent info. on my McIntyre family. All received, > now we have to sort out the info. you have sent, to see where everyone > fits in. You have obviously got the family correct so far. I descend > from the third marriage of Donald Allan McIntyre to Eloisa Jane Roberts - > they were my Mum's parents. Resided in Gouyave, and all the history of > the McIntyre's and their businesses in Gouyave is correct and one of Mum's > brothers also Donald did live at Hillview - I have stayed there. > > My need to know is: where my grandfather (Donald Allan McIntyre) was born > and who were his parents? > > Where do you live? > > Lovely to hear from you and many thanks. > > Maureen (Wilson) Alan's wife > > We live in the UK > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Maureen, Ohh ok I see where a Donald Roberts lived at Hillview... Do you have Roberts relations in Grenada? Yvonne -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Emanuel, Yvonne E CIV USA AMC Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 11:46 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: McIntyre family Maureen, I Hail from NJ by way of Brooklyn NY. Tell me , did Eloisa have a brother who carried on the "Roberts" surname in Grenada? -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Alan Wilson Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 11:06 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Fw: McIntyre family ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Wilson" <[email protected]> To: "Emanuel, Yvonne E CIV USA AMC" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 4:02 PM Subject: McIntyre family > Hi Yvonne, > > Thank you so much for recent info. on my McIntyre family. All received, > now we have to sort out the info. you have sent, to see where everyone > fits in. You have obviously got the family correct so far. I descend > from the third marriage of Donald Allan McIntyre to Eloisa Jane Roberts - > they were my Mum's parents. Resided in Gouyave, and all the history of > the McIntyre's and their businesses in Gouyave is correct and one of Mum's > brothers also Donald did live at Hillview - I have stayed there. > > My need to know is: where my grandfather (Donald Allan McIntyre) was born > and who were his parents? > > Where do you live? > > Lovely to hear from you and many thanks. > > Maureen (Wilson) Alan's wife > > We live in the UK > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Maureen, I Hail from NJ by way of Brooklyn NY. Tell me , did Eloisa have a brother who carried on the "Roberts" surname in Grenada? -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Alan Wilson Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 11:06 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Fw: McIntyre family ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Wilson" <[email protected]> To: "Emanuel, Yvonne E CIV USA AMC" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 4:02 PM Subject: McIntyre family > Hi Yvonne, > > Thank you so much for recent info. on my McIntyre family. All received, > now we have to sort out the info. you have sent, to see where everyone > fits in. You have obviously got the family correct so far. I descend > from the third marriage of Donald Allan McIntyre to Eloisa Jane Roberts - > they were my Mum's parents. Resided in Gouyave, and all the history of > the McIntyre's and their businesses in Gouyave is correct and one of Mum's > brothers also Donald did live at Hillview - I have stayed there. > > My need to know is: where my grandfather (Donald Allan McIntyre) was born > and who were his parents? > > Where do you live? > > Lovely to hear from you and many thanks. > > Maureen (Wilson) Alan's wife > > We live in the UK > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes of course, does that lead somewhere? David On Nov 9, 2007, at 4:34 AM, Emanuel, Yvonne E CIV USA AMC wrote: > Could "White" be a phonetic spelling of "Whyte"? >

Rita, thanks for your sharing your information. The Whyte Surname is prominent in Panama. They were VERY active in the politics on the country. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Rita Henry Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 6:11 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: MONTSERRAT families WYKE IRISH David, I was a nurse , and I had about 6 different patients by the name of " WHYTE " on my ward in one year They were of Irish Families, also "WHYET " tow of the nurses I worked with were from Ireland named also " WYET " I don't know if that will help, they were from Southern Ireland, Good Luck Rita ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Daniell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 10:42 PM Subject: Re: MONTSERRAT families WYKE IRISH > Yes of course, does that lead somewhere? > David > > > On Nov 9, 2007, at 4:34 AM, Emanuel, Yvonne E CIV USA AMC wrote: > >> Could "White" be a phonetic spelling of "Whyte"? >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

David, I was a nurse , and I had about 6 different patients by the name of " WHYTE " on my ward in one year They were of Irish Families, also "WHYET " tow of the nurses I worked with were from Ireland named also " WYET " I don't know if that will help, they were from Southern Ireland, Good Luck Rita ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Daniell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 10:42 PM Subject: Re: MONTSERRAT families WYKE IRISH > Yes of course, does that lead somewhere? > David > > > On Nov 9, 2007, at 4:34 AM, Emanuel, Yvonne E CIV USA AMC wrote: > >> Could "White" be a phonetic spelling of "Whyte"? >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

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Could "White" be a phonetic spelling of "Whyte"? -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of cecilia Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 8:58 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: MONTSERRAT families WYKE IRISH David Daniell wrote: >What would you suggest to be the best way to find an i.d. for our >missing ancestress? >[...] >If you know about Cootehill do you know about a BWI family named White? I know nothing about Cootehill. Sorry not to be able to help. I treat the missing members of ancestral lines like those for whom disambigation is not possible - I note them in the back of my mind, and move my focus elsewhere. I have found that if one lives long enough and remembers the questions, answers often come with very little effort on one's own part,. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I agree with you though I think Burke's reputation was for greater reliability than anyone else in his field. What would you suggest to be the best way to find an i.d. for our missing ancestress? This is her son evidently born about 1755 "Alumni Oxonienses: the Members of the University of Oxford, 1715-1886: Their ... - Page 731 by University of Oxford - 1891 Irish, Samuel Martin, s. William, of Isle of Montserat. arm. UNIVERSITY COLL., matric. 14 Dec., 1772. aged 17 ; created MA 28 June, 1776, bar.-it-law." If you know about Cootehill do you know about a BWI family named White? cheers David On Nov 8, 2007, at 2:27 AM, cecilia wrote: > Burke took what the family gave him. The family may not have known.

David Daniell wrote: >What would you suggest to be the best way to find an i.d. for our >missing ancestress? >[...] >If you know about Cootehill do you know about a BWI family named White? I know nothing about Cootehill. Sorry not to be able to help. I treat the missing members of ancestral lines like those for whom disambigation is not possible - I note them in the back of my mind, and move my focus elsewhere. I have found that if one lives long enough and remembers the questions, answers often come with very little effort on one's own part,.

I will have to check that out. Although I did find that Edwin dies in Jamaica but sometimes records are wrong I will have to look that up. Thanks for that possible link. emily On 10/31/07, Madeleine E Mitchell <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >Emily, > > On the Ellis Island site there is a family with a 2 year old Edwin > Cheeseborough from Havana Cuba landing in NY in 5 May 1922. He is > with his mother Mercedes Cheesborough age 20y and brother William 2 > months. The ship came from Mexico and was called the Mexico. Since > at that time many Jamaicans went to Cuba, and then left Cuba for > other places have you considered this record as a possible? I could > not however get the full Original manifest to show on the screen > which indicates who they left in the departing country. All three > are identified as British African. You might need to do some > research in Cuba before getting back to the British West Indies. > Madeleine > > > > I am looking for anyone who has any information on a Edwin > Cheseborough > > > (an > > > spelling variation) and/or a Zillah E Ryan. I have hit a block wall > and > > > will take any help offered. > > > Thanks. > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Madeleine E Mitchell > Dunnellon, FL 34432-2795 > Home URL http://users.pullman.com/mitchelm/jamaica.htm > World Gen Web Jamaica URL http://www.rootsweb.com/~jamwgw/index.htm > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

David Daniell wrote: >[...] I guess by 1767 this >William was a widower and the children will have been at school in >England. I have no record of the name of their mother. That is one >of my principal objectives in this exercise. There may have been >good reason to suppress it in Burke's LG. [...] Burke took what the family gave him. The family may not have known. Anecdotal: In my (didn't leave the British Isles) ancestry is an 18C marriage that Burke LG gives as between Matthew Peters and a daughter of George Young of Dublin. I suspect that by 100 years later her name had been forgotten but there some sort of a document still existed that dealt with an arrangement between e.g. George Young and Matthew Peters and referred to the marriage of the daughter without naming her, or a painting captioned eg "Miss Young, daughter of George Young Esquire"). I have now found (from her son's will) that at the time of the marriage she was a widow with child(ren), but that would not mean her given name should be suppressed. (Her grandchildren were named ENGLISH, and related to Epaphroditus YOUNG, all in Cootehill, Cavan, Ireland. I still don't know her given name, or the name of her first husband.)

Great research and thought provoking questions at the end. We must remember those whose shoulders we presently stand on. For without them and their sacrifices where would we be? Ancestors are not simply our past but our HERE AND NOW. We are ancestors in the making so teach your children well and they will keep our names on their tounge and lift us up in prayer. The sites you included have a wealth of information too. Thanks for sharing. Yvonne aka cuzin' Choli -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 9:04 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: St. Croix India Indians of the first wave On Oct 29, 12:03 pm, [email protected] (Richard Bond) wrote: > There were Indian contract laborers brought to the Virgin Islands in > the 1860s and 1870s. Most of the India type Indian families who are > now living on St. Croix came from the former British islands since 1960. > There are some who have been there longer like Mae Amrit from Jamaica > ten years earlier. > > I have ancestry from an Indian Alfred Busby who migrated there around > 1885 - 1890 from Statia having I believe escaped a contract in Nevis > in 1875. > > However if the Alfred Busby descendants are all thought of as being > Black or Coloured now what family names were in and what became of the > Indian first wave to St. Croix? > > Gladys, Thanks for info on the Bernhardts. They have been lost to us for more than a century and a half. NAME Coolie Joseph Coolie John Monisa A Coolie Cooley Samy Coolie Juliana Auther ??Sax... Brichelarn Coolie Sam Rangereddy(coolie) Catherine Rangerreddy Goe Braad Calie Mary Colie John Calie Charlotte Little Henry Little Bett Little Francis Dutechman Cooly Sebo Coolis??Gacegacace Cooles Kocder Cooly Celupa ?? Coolec Bade Coolec ??utina Coolec Mounse?? Sedann Colie John Ram Sammy Cooper Sammy Sammy Lappey Samy Cooby Thomas Cooby Ram Somy Alardov John Techan Mary Ann Coolie Paio Papna Coolie Achanie Coolie Chombu Joseph Fassy?? Saman Coolie Sucky Coolie Sophia Coolie Balladoo Ram Saney Ram Senny Ram Sammy Daniel Ram Comey Poinoi Corlie Chal Now, their names liveth for evermore. More details here http://www.indocaribbeanheritage.com/content/view/21/42/ The raw data is here. http://www.esnips.com/web/lharradansWebResearch/ In the file called Some Coolies from St Croix. H ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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On Oct 29, 12:03 pm, [email protected] (Richard Bond) wrote: > There were Indian contract laborers brought to the Virgin Islands in > the 1860s and 1870s. Most of the India type Indian families who are now > living on St. Croix came from the former British islands since 1960. > There are some who have been there longer like Mae Amrit from Jamaica > ten years earlier. > > I have ancestry from an Indian Alfred Busby who migrated there around > 1885 - 1890 from Statia having I believe escaped a contract in Nevis in > 1875. > > However if the Alfred Busby descendants are all thought of as being > Black or Coloured now what family names were in and what became of the > Indian first wave to St. Croix? > > Gladys, Thanks for info on the Bernhardts. They have been lost to us for more than a century and a half. NAME Coolie Joseph Coolie John Monisa A Coolie Cooley Samy Coolie Juliana Auther ??Sax... Brichelarn Coolie Sam Rangereddy(coolie) Catherine Rangerreddy Goe Braad Calie Mary Colie John Calie Charlotte Little Henry Little Bett Little Francis Dutechman Cooly Sebo Coolis??Gacegacace Cooles Kocder Cooly Celupa ?? Coolec Bade Coolec ??utina Coolec Mounse?? Sedann Colie John Ram Sammy Cooper Sammy Sammy Lappey Samy Cooby Thomas Cooby Ram Somy Alardov John Techan Mary Ann Coolie Paio Papna Coolie Achanie Coolie Chombu Joseph Fassy?? Saman Coolie Sucky Coolie Sophia Coolie Balladoo Ram Saney Ram Senny Ram Sammy Daniel Ram Comey Poinoi Corlie Chal Now, their names liveth for evermore. More details here http://www.indocaribbeanheritage.com/content/view/21/42/ The raw data is here. http://www.esnips.com/web/lharradansWebResearch/ In the file called Some Coolies from St Croix. H

I meant to "re-label" my post on 04/11/2007 from "Re: Spam:*****, Matthew Hatchett" to "Hodges in the Virgin Islands" K O Kupperman mentions the transportation of the first Africans to Old Providence in "Providence Island, 1630-1641: the Other Puritan Colony" (1993). The white Puritans and indentured servants.felt threatened by the arrival of several hundred slaves, so many of them were transferred to St Kitts which had a much lower proportion of Africans until sugar was introduced from Brazil about 1640. The Spanish captured the island after it became a base for privateers. I had two or three requests off-list some time ago for a list of the original English settlers on St Kitts in 1623 (1624 by modern reckoning) but my notes were in store. Like Thomas Warner, his wife and son, they were all from Framlingham, Suffolk, England and were mostly merchants: "William Tasted, John Rhodes, Robert Binns, William Bentfield, Serjeant Jones, Mr Ware, William Ryle, Rowland Grasscock, Mr Bond, Mr Langley, Mr Weaver, Serjeant Aplon and a sailor and a cook (both unnamed)" Warner used the first permanent English settlement in the West Indies as a base to seed many of their subsequent colonies.. Peter Moll Tortola BVI [email protected] wrote: > Thank you for that information, Richard.? Your help is appreciated.? Do you know where St. Lucia is?? We have that on one of ancestors birth records - always thought she was born in Jamaica. > > Have a nice day, > Cheryl > > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Bond <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 11:57 am > Subject: Re: Livingston, San Andres and Old Providence > > San Andres and Old Providence are two of the islands off of Nicaragua > that at the time of your ancestor were under the control of the British > but now belong to Colombia. They were used for catching and processing > fish and turtles and are now a duty free tourism center. Most of the > population are English speaking of Caribbean descent.

Ernest, I was concerned to see that you believe William Irish and Sarah Wyke had no children particularly as I understand you are very knowledgeable on these matters for that time and place. Here is an excerpt in which the author agrees with us and he seems to be working from original documentation. [from Sugar And Slavery: An Economic History of the British West Indies, 1623-1775 by Richard B Sheridan] "While there are no grounds for asserting that for every success there was a failure, not a few of the latter are recorded in the archives of Montserrat and England. That not all failures can be attributed to absenteeism is revealed by a letter concerning William Irish, whose father’s plantation ranked tenth in the 1729 census. His stepfather, Colonel Samuel Martin of Antigua, could not understand how he contrived to be always in much debt, ‘for I have been told, that when he had not company, he lived like a Beggar to Windward; but he kept house for his cousins at Wyke’s, which was the Sluice of all ye produce of both his Estates’. Martin L B vol.2, f.282;Lrc to Samuel Martin, Jr 22 Sept. 1767" This William Irish named his son Samuel Martin Irish (for some reason) and his daughter Sarah (from whom I descend). I guess by 1767 this William was a widower and the children will have been at school in England. I have no record of the name of their mother. That is one of my principal objectives in this exercise. There may have been good reason to suppress it in Burke's LG. The estates are said to have been The Hermitage and The Riverhead Montserrrat. I'm very keen to know why you believe Col Martin, (so Sheridan) Burke and my family are mistaken. You could be correct. With kind regards, David PS Do you know of a Leonard Martin born to Colonel Samuel Martin and Frances Yeamans about 1715? (admitted to Westminster 1727 aged 12, later assistant-Solicitor to The Treasury during Sir Robert Walpole's government, specifically in 1744) On Nov 4, 2007, at 2:53 AM, Ernest M. Wiltshire wrote: > Some of the Antigua families you mention (esp. Byam, Martin, Warner) > are > quite central to my research, as they tie in to my Barbados families snip > Wyke Generation One > 1. Edward1 WYKE (Lieut. Gov. of Montserrat). > Children of Edward1 Wyke (Lieut. Gov. of Montserrat) include: > 2. i. Sarah2 WYKE IRISH-MARTIN was born in of Montserrat > B.W.I. She and Col. Samuel Martin married. She and William Irish > married. > Generation Two > 2. Sarah2 WYKE IRISH-MARTIN (Edward1) was of Montserrat B.W.I. > She and > Col. Samuel Martin married. She and William Irish married. She > died in > 1748. > She was the daughter of Edward Wyke, Lieutenant Governor of > Montserrat. > Col. Samuel MARTIN was christened in 1694 in St. John's, Antigua > B.W.I. > He and Mrs. Martin Frances Yeamans married. He died in Nov 1776. He > inherited Green Castle plantation, Antigua from his father. > Children of Sarah2 Wyke IRISH-MARTIN and Col. Samuel Martin were: > 3. i. Sir Henry3 MARTIN Bart. was born on 29 Aug 1733 in > Shroton House, Dorset, England. He and Lady Martin Eliza Anne Parker > married in Mar 1761. > William IRISH was born in of Montserrat B.W.I. There were no > children > of Sarah2 Wyke IRISH-MARTIN and William Irish.

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