well, it's been a while since i've responded to these posts. ernest, the compensation lists caught my eye and i'm wondering what type of time and how much work is involved if i volunteer to glean some of the information for st vincent & the grenadines and/or grenada if there is any. cheryl hazell > From: [email protected] > Subject: CARIBBEAN Digest, Vol 2, Issue 288 > To: [email protected] > Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 01:00:05 -0700 > > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Slave compensation lists - Barbados (Ernest M. Wiltshire) > 2. Slave compensation lists - Barbados & Antigua > (Ernest M. Wiltshire) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 12:14:20 -0500 > From: "Ernest M. Wiltshire" <[email protected]> > Subject: Slave compensation lists - Barbados > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" > > Hello everyone. Am back from walkabout, (a bit footsore). > > Several years ago, my friend Prof. Richard Lobdell (Economic historian & > Vice Provost of the University of Manitoba) transcribed the lists of > compensation payments made to slave owners in all British colonies at the > time of abolition. I worked with him to organise the Barbados entries and > identify the persons named in the Barbados lists, establishing their family > relationships. Each claimant is named individually, and it is not always > obvious that the claimants are in fact closely related, so that payments > seemingly made to individuals are in fact going to several members of the > same family. [That info is not included on the website below] > > Geraldine Lane, genealogist & author of "Tracing Ancestors in Barbados" has > now taken our transcripts, checked them against the original lists, > corrected any transcription errors etc., and has posted them on a website > (see below). This is only for Barbados. It is possible that at a later date > we might tackle at least some of the lists for other colonies,but that would > require a mammoth effort so it remains to be seen if it will be possible. > Any volunteers? > > In the meantime you can find the Barbados lists, covering 5,349 individual > claims by slave owners, with an excellent introduction by Guy Grannum of the > PRO (now the British National Archives) at: > > http://compensations.plantations.bb/ > > Ernest M. Wiltshire, M.A. (Queen's) > Ottawa Ontario > Canada > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.4/1146 - Release Date: 11/22/2007 > 6:55 PM > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 12:34:09 -0500 > From: "Ernest M. Wiltshire" <[email protected]> > Subject: Slave compensation lists - Barbados & Antigua > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" > > > Apologies for one error in my last post: the lists are for both Barbados AND > Antigua. > > http://compensations.plantations.bb/ > > Ernest M. Wiltshire > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.4/1146 - Release Date: 11/22/2007 > 6:55 PM > > > > > End of CARIBBEAN Digest, Vol 2, Issue 288 > ***************************************** _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with free Messenger emoticons. Get them today! http://www.freemessengeremoticons.ca/?icid=EMENCA122

Hi Ernest, I'd be very pleased to try to help with transcriptions, specially if they include Montserrat. cheers David On Nov 24, 2007, at 6:14 AM, Ernest M. Wiltshire wrote: > > Geraldine Lane, genealogist & author of "Tracing Ancestors in > Barbados" has > now taken our transcripts, checked them against the original lists, > corrected any transcription errors etc., and has posted them on a > website > (see below). This is only for Barbados. It is possible that at a > later date > we might tackle at least some of the lists for other colonies,but > that would > require a mammoth effort so it remains to be seen if it will be > possible. > Any volunteers?

Hi Madeleine, Thanks for the info I will check out that site. My father has recently moved out to Jamaica, so I will drop him an email as he may know. Thanks, James "Madeleine E Mitchell" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected] > Hi James, > Do you know what parish this estate was in? Have you looked at Patricia > Jackson's site yet? It is at:http://jamaicanfamilysearch.com/ > There are about 25 hits for Veitch on this site. This is a subscription > site but well worth it if you are going to pursue research in Jamaica. > regards > Madeleine > > > At 12:28 PM 11/25/2007, you wrote: >>Hi, >> >>I am in the process of researching my family tree and have discovered that >>my great-grandfather (Lebert Veitch) owned a plantation in Jamaica until >>his >>death around 1950. >> >>Has anyone researched the Veitch family in Jamaica? >> >>Regards, >>James Franklin >> >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Madeleine E Mitchell > Dunnellon, FL 34432-2795 > Home URL http://users.pullman.com/mitchelm/jamaica.htm > World Gen Web Jamaica URL http://www.rootsweb.com/~jamwgw/index.htm >

Thank you for your prompt reply, Dorothy. > 1. Re William Oates's date of death -- I doubt there would be a burial > record for him in the parish registers which have been microfilmed by the > LDS, since he was a Moravian, but it might be worthwhile checking. You > would need to know what parish he was stationed in. As a Moravian Minister I would expect him to have been buried in the burial ground at Bethany. I may have to look to Moravian sources in the USA. > 2. Re Rosa's marriage to Thos. Cooke -- that should appear in the Dissenter > Marriage Registers which have also been microfilmed by the LDS I have been into the JFS site and it looks like there may be the relevant dates for this marriage, as long as they include the Moravian ones. > 3. Births of their children --- probably unlikely if they were baptized in > the Moravian faith. The LDS have microfilmed the Church of England parish > registers for Jamaica, but the Dissenter Marriage Registers are the only > non-conformist records that they have microfilmed. Yes, it does look doubtful. Again I may have to try in the USA. I forget where, but they do have an archive for the West Indies. > For an outline of what records are available from the LDS check out Patricia > Jackson's website, Jamaican Family Search. It is a subscription site but > well worth the cost if you are doing research in Jamaica. The section > regarding the LDS microfilms is free and can be found at > http://jamaicanfamilysearch.com/Samples/fhclist.htm. Once you have the > microfilms you need you can order them at any Family History Centre of the > Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS). Your reply has focused me on the relevant sources, thanks. -- Thanks and regards, Shane. "A closed mouth gathers no feet!" Email: Beware the invalid word! shane at wonk dot demon dot co dot uk Website: http://www.wonk.demon.co.uk/

Hi Chris, I am researching the BEACH surname from Jamaica and other Caribbean Islands. I would appreciate any information you have located. [email protected] Best regards, Denis Wisdom Though leaves are many, the root is one; Through all the lying days of my youth I swayed my leaves and flowers in the sun; Now I may wither into the truth. W. B. Yeats (1865 - 1939) On Nov 26, 2007, at 8:15 AM, C.M. Codrington wrote: > I cannot remember who was interested in the surname Beach. > > I don't believe their interest was in Jamaica but if so I found a > reference > to a person named "Beach" as a witness to an event in Portland, > Jamaica > > If they would like the details please contact me > > Chris Cod > > -I never guess. It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has > data. > Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of > theories > to suit facts.- > Sir Arthur Conan Doyle > > > -- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. > It has removed 440 spam emails to date. > Paying users do not have this message in their emails. > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARIBBEAN- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

I cannot remember who was interested in the surname Beach. I don't believe their interest was in Jamaica but if so I found a reference to a person named "Beach" as a witness to an event in Portland, Jamaica If they would like the details please contact me Chris Cod -I never guess. It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts.- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 440 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len

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Thank you for that information Laura: I was not aware of the Rumsey collection. I have taken a look and it is a very interesting & useful site; I found it difficult to scroll around the map on his site, but that may just be my ineptitude. However I do own an original copy of that same Bowen map (and also the Moll map on which it is based) and have digitised it, (as well as some others from my own collection). If anyone is particularly interested I could try e-mailing the jpeg, but the full version is rather large and might overload mailboxes, unless I can reduce the resolution to a more manageable size, but please contact me off-list if it is of interest to you. Ernest M. Wiltshire -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 1:02 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Barbadoes map 1747 & Antego 1736 online Not sure who might be interested, but I stumbled upon the David Rumsey antique map collection and found this map online. It is "Zoomable" so you can read it, and it contains the names of plantations (presumably the plantation holders). There are also several maps of Antigua & Barbudas. The Insight (tm) browser has a search engine of sorts. http://www.davidrumsey.com/maps5918.html Home page: http://www.davidrumsey.com/index.html Happy hunting, Laura No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.6/1150 - Release Date: 11/24/2007 5:58 PM

Hi, I am in the process of researching my family tree and have discovered that my great-grandfather (Lebert Veitch) owned a plantation in Jamaica until his death around 1950. Has anyone researched the Veitch family in Jamaica? Regards, James Franklin

Hi James, Do you know what parish this estate was in? Have you looked at Patricia Jackson's site yet? It is at:http://jamaicanfamilysearch.com/ There are about 25 hits for Veitch on this site. This is a subscription site but well worth it if you are going to pursue research in Jamaica. regards Madeleine At 12:28 PM 11/25/2007, you wrote: >Hi, > >I am in the process of researching my family tree and have discovered that >my great-grandfather (Lebert Veitch) owned a plantation in Jamaica until his >death around 1950. > >Has anyone researched the Veitch family in Jamaica? > >Regards, >James Franklin > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Madeleine E Mitchell Dunnellon, FL 34432-2795 Home URL http://users.pullman.com/mitchelm/jamaica.htm World Gen Web Jamaica URL http://www.rootsweb.com/~jamwgw/index.htm

WONDERFUL. Thank you. Nevilla -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 1:02 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Barbadoes map 1747 & Antego 1736 online Not sure who might be interested, but I stumbled upon the David Rumsey antique map collection and found this map online. It is "Zoomable" so you can read it, and it contains the names of plantations (presumably the plantation holders). There are also several maps of Antigua & Barbudas. The Insight (tm) browser has a seqrch engine of sorts. http://www.davidrumsey.com/maps5918.html Home page: http://www.davidrumsey.com/index.html Happy hunting, Laura ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Laura Since we are mentioning maps There are several good zoomable maps on my CaribGen website Historic Antigua and Barbuda http://www.rootsweb.com/~atgwgw/ ChrisCod -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 440 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len

Not sure who might be interested, but I stumbled upon the David Rumsey antique map collection and found this map online. It is "Zoomable" so you can read it, and it contains the names of plantations (presumably the plantation holders). There are also several maps of Antigua & Barbudas. The Insight (tm) browser has a seqrch engine of sorts. http://www.davidrumsey.com/maps5918.html Home page: http://www.davidrumsey.com/index.html Happy hunting, Laura

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I am trying to piece together the life of my GG Grandfather's youngest daughter, Rosa Louisa Swertner BADHAM. 4 APR 1842 She marries William Henry OATES a Moravian Minister in the Moravian chapel in Bristol. Shortly after this they travel to Jamaica as Moravian missionaries. She had been Governess in the school at Wyke. 4 JUL 1843 information is received at Bristol on the death of Br W. Oates. Since letters take about a month, he must have died sometime in June 1843. There may be a tablet in the burial ground at Bethany. 9 AUG 1843 a letter is received at Bristol from Sr Oates. 19 NOV 1845 visit of Br Thos. COOKE on his way to the mission in Jamaica. He probably arrives there some time in December. In the Jamaican Almanac there is a table of Moravian churches and a Th. Cook is minister at Bethany, Parish of Manchester. It is likely that William and Rosa were also at Bethany. Rosa subsequently marries Thomas COOKE and they have two children that I know of, James and Arthur Wickham COOKE. In the Almanac for 1864 there is a list of Moravian churches and their ministers, but no Thomas Cook. I assume that they returned to England before that date. In the Moravian diaries for Bristol there is the following: "1872 Personal Occurrences: Gone from Bristol John W. Oates (non Comt) to Heckmondwike." This is possibly Rosa's son by her marriage to William. He would have been about 30 years old. I would like to find William's date of death, Rosa's marriage to Thomas COOKE, and the births of her three children, John, James and Arthur. Can anyone help me with what sources are available and if dissenter marriages had to be in the Anglican Church prior to civil registration in Jamaica (1878?). LDS Family Search turns up nothing. -- Thanks and regards, Shane. "A closed mouth gathers no feet!" Website: http://www.wonk.demon.co.uk

Hi Shane: In answer to your questions: 1. Re William Oates's date of death -- I doubt there would be a burial record for him in the parish registers which have been microfilmed by the LDS, since he was a Moravian, but it might be worthwhile checking. You would need to know what parish he was stationed in. 2. Re Rosa's marriage to Thos. Cooke -- that should appear in the Dissenter Marriage Registers which have also been microfilmed by the LDS 3. Births of their children --- probaby unlikely if they were baptized in the Moravian faith. The LDS have microfilmed the Church of England parish registers for Jamaica, but the Dissenter Marriage Registers are the only non-conformist records that they have microfilmed. For an outline of what records are available from the LDS check out Patricia Jackson's website, Jamaican Family Search. It is a subscription site but well worth the cost if you are doing research in Jamaica. The section regarding the LDS microfilms is free and can be found at http://jamaicanfamilysearch.com/Samples/fhclist.htm. Once you have the microfilms you need you can order them at any Family History Centre of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS). ----- Original Message ----- From: Shane Badham Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.west-indies To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 1:37 PM Subject: The life of Rosa L S Badham in Jamaica I am trying to piece together the life of my GG Grandfather's youngest daughter, Rosa Louisa Swertner BADHAM. 4 APR 1842 She marries William Henry OATES a Moravian Minister in the Moravian chapel in Bristol. Shortly after this they travel to Jamaica as Moravian missionaries. She had been Governess in the school at Wyke. 4 JUL 1843 information is received at Bristol on the death of Br W. Oates. Since letters take about a month, he must have died sometime in June 1843. There may be a tablet in the burial ground at Bethany. 9 AUG 1843 a letter is received at Bristol from Sr Oates. 19 NOV 1845 visit of Br Thos. COOKE on his way to the mission in Jamaica. He probably arrives there some time in December. In the Jamaican Almanac there is a table of Moravian churches and a Th. Cook is minister at Bethany, Parish of Manchester. It is likely that William and Rosa were also at Bethany. Rosa subsequently marries Thomas COOKE and they have two children that I know of, James and Arthur Wickham COOKE. In the Almanac for 1864 there is a list of Moravian churches and their ministers, but no Thomas Cook. I assume that they returned to England before that date. In the Moravian diaries for Bristol there is the following: "1872 Personal Occurrences: Gone from Bristol John W. Oates (non Comt) to Heckmondwike." This is possibly Rosa's son by her marriage to William. He would have been about 30 years old. I would like to find William's date of death, Rosa's marriage to Thomas COOKE, and the births of her three children, John, James and Arthur. Can anyone help me with what sources are available and if dissenter marriages had to be in the Anglican Church prior to civil registration in Jamaica (1878?). LDS Family Search turns up nothing. -- Thanks and regards, Shane. "A closed mouth gathers no feet!" Website: http://www.wonk.demon.co.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.5/1149 - Release Date: 11/24/2007 10:06 AM

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Hello Laura: thank you for your kind words. I have only taken a brief look at the web-site, but you are right, the seach capability does seem a bit limited and one has to enter a particular surname. I suppose it has to do with the type of search engine or the way the data is organised. It would be helpful to scroll through the lists, as I can with my data in an Excel spreadsheet format. I don't know if that is possible but it might be worthwhile asking. Ernest, in an even chillier and snow-covered Ottawa! -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 10:09 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Slave compensation lists Ernest, I have long admired everything you do on behalf of genealogy, as well as your good will, and this is another example of so generously lending your time and insight to help the rest of us. Bravo. Thank you. Take a bow. One small question: Might there be a way to simply browse the list? I thought I would take a "walkabout" through it. Best regards, Laura in a chilly, bright NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.5/1148 - Release Date: 11/23/2007 7:39 PM

Ernest, I have long admired everything you do on behalf of genealogy, as well as your good will, and this is another example of so generously lending your time and insight to help the rest of us. Bravo. Thank you. Take a bow. One small question: Might there be a way to simply browse the list? I thought I would take a "walkabout" through it. Best regards, Laura in a chilly, bright NC

Apologies for one error in my last post: the lists are for both Barbados AND Antigua. http://compensations.plantations.bb/ Ernest M. Wiltshire No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.4/1146 - Release Date: 11/22/2007 6:55 PM