Or being the holiday, we are in performance mode, if you are musician. But I notice it is quite alive. Keep talking everyone, and have a wonderful holiday. Nevilla E. Ottley -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Melanie Pereira Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 1:51 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Is this list alive? Hi, Perhaps everyone is as stuck as I and are taking time to reassess..... I check the list regularly! Melanie -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of C.M. Codrington Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 3:15 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Is this list alive? Hi Carib=l It has been so quiet I was wondering if there was a problem with my subscription No need to respond but it is sad to see things so darn quiet Cod -I never guess. It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts.- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 9 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, Perhaps everyone is as stuck as I and are taking time to reassess..... I check the list regularly! Melanie -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of C.M. Codrington Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 3:15 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Is this list alive? Hi Carib=l It has been so quiet I was wondering if there was a problem with my subscription No need to respond but it is sad to see things so darn quiet Cod -I never guess. It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts.- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 9 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi David I will experiment with scanning the pertinent sections of "History of A" this weekend. If successful (they are large and heavy) will send you sections on Willoughby and parts of the Historical narrative pertinent to the Willoughbys. I don't know what you are searching for but there is a lot to cover with them. Several Governor Generals of the "Caribee Islands" Their activities span crucial Wars and their administrative powers covered a broader area than most of the later Gov Generals. Politics was volatile and alliances were changing every day I remember the first time I read a narrative about them and after a brisk description of a particular W's service it would say "and Gov ----Willoughby died replaced by -----Willouughby and so on as if there was this cache of Willoughbys in the wings as replacements. When you start trying to nail things down it gets quite confusing because not everyone specifies which Willoughby is Which! Anyway if this helps let me know. Olivers is larger than the scanner so I am not sure how it will go with half page scans etc. Cod -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 16 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len

David , Do you have access to "History of Antigua" by V.L. Oliver ? Phillip ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Daniell" <[email protected]> To: "Caribbean Rootsweb" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 11:48 PM Subject: WILLOUGHBY and WINTHROP families in the Caribbean Hi Listers, Do we have on the List any expert or just knowledgeable-person about the ramifications of these two families in the 17th century Caribbean? WILLOUGHBY and WINTHROP off-list if you prefer. Thanking you in anticipation etc! David ps I don't want to be misunderstood so: American Heritage Dictionary ram·i·fi·ca·tion • A development or consequence growing out of and sometimes complicating a problem, plan, or statement: the ramifications of a court decision. • • The act or process of branching out or dividing into branches. • A subordinate part extending from a main body; a branch. • An arrangement of branches or branching parts. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

"Ernest M. Wiltshire" wrote: > Cod, I seem to remember someone (an academic) telling me that if you can >get to a University Library they often have subscriptions to those annoying >sites like J-Stor, and you can then get access to those journals without >paying their exorbitant fees. >It might be worth trying your local U. I intend to check here myself when I >find the time My local UL (which I have been entitled to enter, and the contents of which I have been entitled to read, for the last 40 years) won't give me passwords to access J-Stor as I am not currently a student or teacher etc - merely a past student. So I am reduced to requesting and reading (and sometimes photocopying) the originals (or, very occasionally, microform), though it goes against the grain to add to the wear and tear. It's a mad world.

A while ago I got this letter from one of our local Universities. (now reduced to plain text) ================================= Kia ora, greetings David, Thank you for your enquiry into our Associate Memberships, there are three forms of Associate membership. Full : Borrowing and electronic resources Borrowing : Borrowing material only Electronic : The use of Electronic databases only. More information on these can be found in the following link http://www.library.auckland.ac.nz/about/am_policy.htm Please note that Electronic membership allows you access to all the University Library Databases only from a library workstation, andrestricted access from off campus. The link below lists the databases accessible for Electronic Access from off campus http://www.library.auckland.ac.nz/access/offcampus_associate.htm The fees schedule for the Associate membership types can be found in this link http://www.library.auckland.ac.nz/about/am_fees.htm There are two discounts offered they are: The Alumni discount is offered to any person who has graduated with a degree from the University of Auckland, and gives a 10% discount . The Auckland Society discount is offered to members of the University of Auckland Society, this allows a 30% discount. If you have any further queries please do not hesitate to contact me. Warm regards, Troy Tuhou Administrative Assistant Lending & Enquiry Services University of Auckland General Library Private Bag 92019 Auckland Mailing Centre Auckland 1142 Phone (09) 373 7599 exn 86684 Fax (09) 308 2320 Email [email protected] On Dec 12, 2007, at 5:52 PM, Augusta Elmwood wrote: > Bravo, Chris, what an elegant rant !! That should liven things up. > > Augusta Elmwood > in New Orleans > > P.S. Even if you go onto a university campus and use their library > computer > terminals, I think to access J-Stor, etc., you need a STUDENT/ > FACULTY ID # > or password or some such thing, i.e., no pay, no play. I hope I am > wrong > about this. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "C.M. Codrington" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, 11 December, 2007 19:04 > Subject: RE: Is this list alive? > > >> Hi David >> >> Ah indeed. I have reached a point in all of this where everything I >> want >> to >> read or study is behind a wall called J-Stor, Cambridge Press, Oxford >> Journals etc etc etc. >> >> The combined subscription fees to breach these barriers would >> exhaust at >> least a quarter of my income. Bloody rude these academics wanting >> to make >> money on their work.....how dare they when I have so much to do and >> so >> little time...harumph >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Oh dear! Hello Evan! this may be somewhat belated, but I take the liberty on behalf of the entire List of welcoming you to the list. You are probably right: we get so caught up in our own little research projects that we tend to gloss over anything unconnected to our own special interests. I imagine it must be difficult hunting for names such as Smith, but one has to try. Have you had an opportunity to check Oliver's History of Antigua or Caribbeana for any possible mention of your family? I shall take a look at the index looking for information on the name and whether there is any mention of epidemics circa 1861: I doubt that it would have been plague. It is more likely to have been cholera, which hit Barbados in 1854, and I do know that islands such as St. Thomas & Nevis were also severely hit, but I don't know whether Antigua was also. It could also have been yellow fever, which also struck Barbados in 1855. Cod probably knows more about the situation in Antigua Ernest M. Wiltshire -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Evan Ray Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 8:41 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Is this list alive? Well Cod, I think it is alive for certain people. I do enjoy reading some of the discussions, but I have never gotten so much as a welcome to the list. I guess if no one has relations or interests to what others do--they don't get even a "Boo". Am I feeling sorry for myself?--YES. Never mind though, it's OK. I am searching for information on my great-grandfather, John SMITH (SMYTH) who was born in Antigua in 1847. This has been a brick wall for me for quite some time. I do not know his parents' names, but his father was a government overseer of some kind. Family lore has it that in 1861 the Black Plague took John Smith's parents, so he and his sister (Lillian??) were taken to England. John was placed in a Catholic Home and never saw his sister again. I know that he emigrated to the US in 1869. From there I have the rest of the story. Any hints as to where to get more info would greatly be appreciated. Evan San Antonio, TX No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.1/1181 - Release Date: 12/11/2007 5:05 PM

Hi Cod, I can't put up a picture of Sir Arthur consulting his tiny (winged) fairy friends - can I. Two (and a bit) other lists I subscribe to have a similar problem so it is nothing personal. Maybe the near decade-long heyday is over? Its now back to the archives of the Great Ancestor that began 150 years earlier and is now searchable online, Notes and Queries David On Dec 12, 2007, at 12:14 PM, C.M. Codrington wrote: > Hi Carib=l > > It has been so quiet I was wondering if there was a problem with my > subscription > No need to respond but it is sad to see things so darn quiet > > Cod > > -I never guess. It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has > data. > Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of > theories > to suit facts.- > Sir Arthur Conan Doyle > > > -- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. > It has removed 9 spam emails to date. > Paying users do not have this message in their emails. > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Hi Cod and David, Sorry I am not a regular 2 cents provider but here I may have something useful. Cod does your local library have electronic holdings if they do they most likely have J stor and a few of those wonderful ect ect... Another source of access to them would be possible through a Univ. I am pretty sure that I have access to J Stor through my alumni account. If you could send me some titles I would be happy to search them for you and email the PDF to you, But of course I will not get time till new years eveish Take care Lue -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of C.M. Codrington Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 9:05 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Is this list alive? Hi David Ah indeed. I have reached a point in all of this where everything I want to read or study is behind a wall called J-Stor, Cambridge Press, Oxford Journals etc etc etc. The combined subscription fees to breach these barriers would exhaust at least a quarter of my income. Bloody rude these academics wanting to make money on their work.....how dare they when I have so much to do and so little time...harumph ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks all I just went to the local library to make some inquiries...have to check tonight to see if their special code gets me what I want. Lue, thanks if I can't do it any other way I would very much appreciate your help. I have about 8 articles that are very promising for me and they pop up on J stor in reference to several things I search on all the time. Either way must find some associate membership in a local university library because some of the stuff I want to study requires long term browing such as Notes and Queries and Oxford Journals.... I haven't had much freedom lately to take trips and poke around at universities but this too shall pass. Seek and yee shall find. Gotta think outside the box hee hee. Thanks all for your suggestions, I'll report on results Cod -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 13 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len

Cod, I think you can go to a university library and throw yourself on the mercy of the reference librarian to have them print off articles out of JSTOR. AFter all, they've already paid for the subscription. The community college library where I used to work had that subscription, but only usable on campus. Good stuff in it. Best, Laura On Dec 12, 2007, at 3:00 AM, [email protected] wrote: > Ah indeed. I have reached a point in all of this where everything I > want to > read or study is behind a wall called J-Stor, Cambridge Press, Oxford > Journals etc etc etc.

Thanks Ernest I was kidding around and you are right I have a client how teaches at FAU and said I should have some luck if I just walk into the University library and go to work. There is also something else I am about to try which is applying for special access via the County library system. Ask enough and work at it there is usually a way.... Thanks. By the way any suggestions on features which are most appreciated on a Gen web-site...I am renovating Antigua and Barbuda and need some ideas helpful to beginners etc Suggestions helpful Cod -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 13 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len

Well Cod, I think it is alive for certain people. I do enjoy reading some of the discussions, but I have never gotten so much as a welcome to the list. I guess if no one has relations or interests to what others do--they don't get even a "Boo". Am I feeling sorry for myself?--YES. Never mind though, it's OK. I am searching for information on my great-grandfather, John SMITH (SMYTH) who was born in Antigua in 1847. This has been a brick wall for me for quite some time. I do not know his parents' names, but his father was a government overseer of some kind. Family lore has it that in 1861 the Black Plague took John Smith's parents, so he and his sister (Lillian??) were taken to England. John was placed in a Catholic Home and never saw his sister again. I know that he emigrated to the US in 1869. From there I have the rest of the story. Any hints as to where to get more info would greatly be appreciated. Evan San Antonio, TX ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 2:00 AM Subject: CARIBBEAN Digest, Vol 2, Issue 300 > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Is this list alive? (C.M. Codrington) > 2. Is this list alive? (David Daniell) > 3. RE: Is this list alive? (C.M. Codrington) > 4. RE: Is this list alive? (Ernest M. Wiltshire) > 5. Re: Is this list alive? (Augusta Elmwood) > 6. Re: Is this list alive? (David Daniell) > >SNIP<

Bravo, Chris, what an elegant rant !! That should liven things up. Augusta Elmwood in New Orleans P.S. Even if you go onto a university campus and use their library computer terminals, I think to access J-Stor, etc., you need a STUDENT/FACULTY ID # or password or some such thing, i.e., no pay, no play. I hope I am wrong about this. ----- Original Message ----- From: "C.M. Codrington" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, 11 December, 2007 19:04 Subject: RE: Is this list alive? > Hi David > > Ah indeed. I have reached a point in all of this where everything I want > to > read or study is behind a wall called J-Stor, Cambridge Press, Oxford > Journals etc etc etc. > > The combined subscription fees to breach these barriers would exhaust at > least a quarter of my income. Bloody rude these academics wanting to make > money on their work.....how dare they when I have so much to do and so > little time...harumph >

Cod, I seem to remember someone (an academic) telling me that if you can get to a University Library they often have subscriptions to those annoying sites like J-Stor, and you can then get access to those journals without paying their exorbitant fees. It might be worth trying your local U. I intend to check here myself when I find the time Ernest -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of C.M. Codrington Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 8:05 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Is this list alive? Hi David Ah indeed. I have reached a point in all of this where everything I want to read or study is behind a wall called J-Stor, Cambridge Press, Oxford Journals etc etc etc. The combined subscription fees to breach these barriers would exhaust at least a quarter of my income. Bloody rude these academics wanting to make money on their work.....how dare they when I have so much to do and so little time...harumph No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.0/1180 - Release Date: 12/10/2007 2:51 PM

Hi David Ah indeed. I have reached a point in all of this where everything I want to read or study is behind a wall called J-Stor, Cambridge Press, Oxford Journals etc etc etc. The combined subscription fees to breach these barriers would exhaust at least a quarter of my income. Bloody rude these academics wanting to make money on their work.....how dare they when I have so much to do and so little time...harumph I also need a specialist in British colonial estate law, one analytical economist and a permanent agent in the stacks at the Pro(connected 24/7 to me by satellite phone.....) who is a whiz at mercantile and marine research.....THEN I could not only tell where all the bodies were buried but explain Why....and perhaps determine which documents have disappeared into the Devil's Triangle..... Given ancestral precedents I had expected to take a delicate slug of very good rum instill a proper roar in the Council and commission one or two privateers to defend our God given right to information from the encroachment of "foreign" elements. Alas, I no longer drink.....and who cares about the Council anymore.... It's all so....well, modern. Oh I forgot the translators....the Dutch are probably keeping the best secrets cause they hooked everyone up in the first place. Sugar Haa! Give me a lungful of that stout Bajan wrapper anyday....best physic for the consumption, what? Its all so Changed....Col John spends hours ordering his chair to broadside the French and no one repeats his commands as crews should do...the Navy has gone to hell I say. ........................................ Alright I'm done. Do not try this at home. Apologies from ChrisCod adrift somewhere in the Triangle off Ft Lauderdale Good Hunting -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 9 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len

Hi Carib=l It has been so quiet I was wondering if there was a problem with my subscription No need to respond but it is sad to see things so darn quiet Cod -I never guess. It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts.- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 9 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len

Cod, when I received the scanned Bowen 1747 map of Barbados from Ernest Wiltshire last week, one of the first things I noticed was a plantation or mill called Codrington in St. Michael's Parish on the island. You are probably aware of it, but in case you aren't I thought I'd mention it here on the Caribbean list. Elder Snow At 01:47 AM 12/7/2007, you wrote: >Hi Madeleine > >Thanks and hope you are well....David does a nice thing with his postal >covers....prints the contents in the description so psycho researchers like >me can pull the names up on extended searches. You'd be surprised what can >be found in "West Indies postal Covers" after all it is private mail made >public before disappearing into someone's collection. I promise you that >each of us has a few critical facts laid out in a scrap of mail somewhere on >the collector's planet. Oddly they are not the least interested in the >actual contents most of the time....harumph harumph > >D has a very interesting business...admire his doing so. > >Thanks again and regards > >-- >I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. >It has removed 476 spam emails to date. >Paying users do not have this message in their emails. >Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >-- >Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.4/1147 - Release Date: >11/23/2007 9:19 AM > > > > >-- >Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.4/1147 - Release Date: >11/23/2007 9:19 AM Elder Donald R. Snow, England London Mission Hyde Park Family History Centre, http://www.hydeparkfhc.org Retired Professor of Mathematics, Brigham Young University, Provo, Utah; [email protected] -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.4/1147 - Release Date: 11/23/2007 9:19 AM

Thank you Elder Yeah I have spent plenty of time with maps over the years. There are a couple in my dreams but thusfar they have not appeared free on the internet! Once upon a time Ernest kindly gifted me as well. He's nice that Ernest.... Cod -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 1 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len

Hi Madeleine Thanks and hope you are well....David does a nice thing with his postal covers....prints the contents in the description so psycho researchers like me can pull the names up on extended searches. You'd be surprised what can be found in "West Indies postal Covers" after all it is private mail made public before disappearing into someone's collection. I promise you that each of us has a few critical facts laid out in a scrap of mail somewhere on the collector's planet. Oddly they are not the least interested in the actual contents most of the time....harumph harumph D has a very interesting business...admire his doing so. Thanks again and regards -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 476 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len