Hi Ernest Yeah I would imagine the shipbuilding link a good one As with Nova Scotia and Maine (Sir William Codrington orders his new "Guinea Sloop" from a location in Maine and seems to know just how to do it and what he wants .....yet the source of the Codrington's rapid acquisition of enough wealth to subsidize the Relief of St Christopher]s and various military adventures is presumably a green thumb for growing cane...Yup Could there be some Supply Side Economics at work in the 17th century? The Robber Barons of America were not the first to realize the path to wealth meant cutting out the middlemen. I held back on overall Scotish involvement because the original note seemed focused on Aberdeenshire and I was too lazy to confirm the home towns of the 20 odd scotsman of prominence on Antigua circa 1740 such as Dr Walter Tullideph and William Sydserfe ....... Jamaica is chock full...., archedekne, patterson the two Campbell lines,Ogilvy...... some of whom were correspondents with Tullideph in Antigua etc And there is Oswald and Grant who ventured into the development of British East Florida from their financial foundations in Jamaica and London and took the lease on Bance Island from the Royal African Company, built a Golf Course to discourage the rampant alcoholism killing their employees as fast as they could arrive, and are unlikely to actually have made any real profit on that venture (though surely they made money on many voyages and trading ventures at other times. But I was kinda shootin at the whole "direct" thing as if to be directly connected to a Slave Ship makes you the real Blue eyed Devil and the other people witless dupes of the Great mercantile(european) conspiracy against human rights...None of which existed anyway. I'd love to interview Col John Codrington in 1684 (a couple years before some humans cut him down on Barbuda) and get the contemporary response to the notion of "Human Rights". After a passing dullness to the eyes he probably would have said something to the effect that any Man who can swing a sword has a right to strike his colors before he is boarded and cut down or something to that effect. No doubt qualified by exceptions for Papists, church reformers, most of the French and all but a few of the Spanish. Most likely he would have been more inclined to respect his Coromantes than the Irishmen on Barbuda.... Keep in mind I would have to stay upwind of him and his men, avoid the slightest drift of his breath and be damned sure to address him as mi lord or Sir at the least....or having affronted him through my lack of common courtesie he take me down immediately. Anyway despite the tragedy of human slavery(and are there not still many forms?) I think there is a much bigger vision to be had here. I admire the Scots I've studied. God forbid I was there and could not bear up to the challenges those men faced in their time whatever their origin. Visiting it now through study, I am humbled. Were men hypocrites? Yup and many still are. Was slavery a crime against Humanity? Yup. Slavery killed many women men and children but racism, and the victorian rationale for it is guilty of killing more souls than slavery ever did. I don't approve of any of it. But Racism is the real killer and the part we are all suffering from in some way right now. Mankind has an "Other" problem....and it's not over yet Actually each of the groups active in West Indies history at some point are prodded to take decisive action to survive their status as "The Other" perhaps that is the best unifying principle in this history. Anyway I think the Scots are an amazing people. If anyone doubted their mettle they proved in the West indies 1600-1800. One other thing...Walter Tullideph practiced early smallpox vacination on planters AND slaves using the Cow Pox method..... No doubt it was beneficial to his self interest, but notable nevertheless Cod -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ernest M. Wiltshire Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 8:16 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Bicentenary of Abolition of the Slave Trade Cod has given a very detailed response, but I would just add that though there may not appear to be a DIRECT link between Aberdeenshire or North-East Scotland and the slave trade, one should certainly consider the possible involvement of the Scottish ship-building industry in the slave trade. Though Bristol & Liverpool were probably the two most important slave-trading ports in Britain, they must have acquired their ships somewhere, and the most likely source would seem to me to be Scottish shipyards. In addition, the Scots were huge land-owners (often absentee landlords) with large sugar estates in several West Indian islands (in particular, but not only, in St. Vincent, Tobago, and to some extent Jamaica). Moreover, many of the attorneys, factors, overseers etc. of sugar estates may have been Scots (good with money???). David Dobson's books on Scots in The West Indies are indeed an obvious start for examining possible links. Ernest M. Wiltshire -----Original Message----- On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 5:04 PM To: [email protected] Subject: FW: Bicentenary of Abolition of the Slave Trade Dear Members I'm forwarding an email I received from David Atherton, an Arts & Education Officer in Aberdeen, currently developing a project for schools in the north-east of Scotland. I'm wondering if any of you can help/advise him? 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Cod has given a very detailed response, but I would just add that though there may not appear to be a DIRECT link between Aberdeenshire or North-East Scotland and the slave trade, one should certainly consider the possible involvement of the Scottish ship-building industry in the slave trade. Though Bristol & Liverpool were probably the two most important slave-trading ports in Britain, they must have acquired their ships somewhere, and the most likely source would seem to me to be Scottish shipyards. In addition, the Scots were huge land-owners (often absentee landlords) with large sugar estates in several West Indian islands (in particular, but not only, in St. Vincent, Tobago, and to some extent Jamaica). Moreover, many of the attorneys, factors, overseers etc. of sugar estates may have been Scots (good with money???). David Dobson's books on Scots in The West Indies are indeed an obvious start for examining possible links. Ernest M. Wiltshire -----Original Message----- On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 5:04 PM To: [email protected] Subject: FW: Bicentenary of Abolition of the Slave Trade Dear Members I'm forwarding an email I received from David Atherton, an Arts & Education Officer in Aberdeen, currently developing a project for schools in the north-east of Scotland. I'm wondering if any of you can help/advise him? Tony T ------ Forwarded Message From: [email protected] ...The project that I am pursuing is very much based on the African experience of slavery; of the great Diaspora that occurred between the 17th and 19th centuries. My probelm is making this relevant to the North-east of Scotland, where there appears to have been little DIRECT link with slavery.... Any ideas? David Atherton No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.16/1250 - Release Date: 1/29/2008 10:20 PM

Hi Lori There is no plantation owner named Stout or Stoutt listed on the 1798 Plantation Map of Tortola, but the current BVI telephone directory includes 4 Stouts, 1 Stoute and 46 Stoutts including 5 living in Fat Hogs Bay. Some live in neighboroughing parts of the eastern end of the island, but others are scattered all around it. The extended family of H Lavity Stoutt (deceased), one of the BVI's most famous modern political leaders, lives mostly in the western end of Tortola. The first capital of the (British) Virgin Islands (the USVI was then called the Danish West Indies) was on Virgin Gorda, but the first Lieutenant Governor, John Pickering (a "Friend") moved it in 1741 to the Quaker settlement at Fat Hogs Bay. His successor moved it to Road Town, the current seat of government. That is all that I have time for now. I hope it helps a little. Do you live in the BVI as well, Lori? Good luck with your work on the family tree Peter Moll East End Tortola BVI [email protected] wrote 30 January 2008: > I am in the process of reviewing our tree but I have some challenges > in finding the plantation owners that may have held my decendants. I > know my family was from Fat hogs bay.it was also a settlement for the > quakers. I also came across "stoutt" and Stout" my famiy says they are > not the same. I know in some way all the family seems to be related in > some way. > > any suggestion would be great. > > Thanks, > > Lori Stout

-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 5:04 PM To: [email protected] Subject: FW: Bicentenary of Abolition of the Slave Trade Hi Tony Well this is a rich topic....How many men from Aberdeenshire made it in commerce either from locations on West Indian islands or via a wharf in Scotland.....or a coffee house in London, Bristol, etc...... to conduct any form of overwater commerce would interface with "the peculiar institution" regardless of direct interest in the Guinea trade..... The pages of Oliver's "History of Antigua" are filled with correspondence between Scots networking to achieve some form of economic security and social status. On Antigua Scots (plenty from Aberdeenshire) were particularly successful between 1690 and 1820; so too in Jamaica. There are numerous and well written books on the topic and I'm sure David Dobson who has studied Scottish migration so long and so well has a few things to say here. It is an odd thing this notion that people could somehow avoid involvement with slavery while active in trade....it was the world economy....based on money and goods moving around like they had never done before. You either dove into it and got along with it or you lingered unto death.....this indeed is the likely source of all the denial! It gave the mills of Bristol something to make cloth for. It created a market for iron bars, and ready iron traded on the Guinea Coast facilitated African forms of manufacturing. It wasn't just rum and slaves and sugar.... Saltfish from New England and Nova Scotia, white oak for barrel staves from the carolinas, beef, mutton and grain from Ireland (and Scotland) Molasses to New England for timber and provisions. Malagueta pepper from Africa (the original trade item of great importance by the way) Horses nails, "pipes" of madeira.... tools to build and clear the "American plantations" Coffee, Sugar, potatoes,pigments(logwood) new sources of starch such as arrowroot from St Vincent and Jamaica, long staple cottons (sea island species) machinery for the mills, the sheer dimension of it is lost while mourning the facts and fictions of the cruel traffic in humans which became the primary means to "open up" and kick start the machine. Anyway the Scots made many contributions, many noteworthy and some by our standards now appalling. Everybody had a piece of it, even the tradesmen in port towns who took small shares in a local ship to improve their chance of a little wealth. Little known fact not quite pertinent to your topic: Scots built a golf course at Bance Island on the African Coast in the 1700's! Anyway this is a rich vein and I think a survey of research on those active in the West Indies trade with roots in Aberdeenshire will prove quite surprising to your correspondent. And the emphasis on "direct" links to slavery is moot. The Atlantic exchange though not always equally beneficial to all parties (in the long run) existed out of mutual self-interest and was conducted between "equals" until later in the 1840's or so when the Europeans achieved technological superiority in warfare and Africa had exhausted itself by war, raiding, and an undetermined degree of internal resistance to the trade. The "wealth" generated on the african side did not build infrastructure or trade capacity in other things.... European Mercantilist policy certainly discouraged that development, as it tried to do in the Americas....but Europeans traded with African counterparts and held locations along the coast via leases granted by Kings and Chiefdoms. Most brokerage on the coast was african or euro=african. There are plenty of historical instances where african trading partners made clear who was in charge and plenty of Europeans died as a result. But much more was traded than rum and slaves....or guns and slaves as it really came to be. Links between the new Scots merchants in the Americas, England and Scotland were assiduously cultured and propagated. Successful Scots knew that to succeed they had to get real money "out" of the plantation system and often invested it "back" into Scottish real estate and development ventures. Their cousins served as their factors at home, or started branch offices etc..... That stimulus was felt in places where there was not the remotest need for slaves or African goods. But there was good pepper on their mutton and cheap sugar for their coffee. There were rare fruit at "affordable" prices. Pickled Ginger, etc... it changed the world period. It probably improved the quality of the Scotch.... Anyway the final book is not yet written. The lesson is not over. And it is tragic so many died that we may learn it. Cod From: [email protected] Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 10:15:00 +0000 To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Bicentenary of Abolition of the Slave Trade Tony, Thanks for your informative e-mail, I will give it some thought. The project that I am pursuing is very much based on the African experience of slavery; of the great Diaspora that occurred between the 17th and 19th centuries. My probelm is making this relevant to the North-east of Scotland, where there appears to have been little DIRECT link with slavery. There are a number of colourful stories/histories from this part of Scotland relating to 'Slavery, The Abolition Of' such as the life of Indian Peter and that of John Ross, but though these are extraordinary, they relate to European not African personages. Any ideas? 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One of the greatest success stories of Scots in the New World was the Innerarity brothers from Scotland. They did trade all through the West Indies and Southern United States. They founded Pensecola, was prominent in Tennesse and many other states. They were involved in the Louisiana Purchase, the sale of Florida to the U. S. They were instigaters of many Indian uprisings. They had extensive holdings in Cuba. At one time, they sued the U. S. government for over a million acres of land. They were such an integral part of southern U. S. history, that many of the southern universities have libraries full of Innerarity document and histories. They are little known nowadays but the Innerarity clan is reuniting and discovering themselves. A monumental feat of genealogy by Nedra Innerarity Cramer, have brought thousands of Innerarity relatives together, some as far away as Turkey and Australia. I have a copy of an authentic bill of sale that records when one of my Innerarity ancestors sold two teenage boys. It is a very sad document to read but it testifies to the fact that Scots did sell and but slaves. Tony Figueroa --- "C.M. Codrington" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of [email protected] > Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 5:04 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: FW: Bicentenary of Abolition of the Slave > Trade > > > > > Hi Tony > > Well this is a rich topic....How many men from > Aberdeenshire made it in > commerce either from locations on West Indian > islands or via a wharf in > Scotland.....or a coffee house in London, Bristol, > etc...... to conduct any > form of overwater commerce would interface with "the > peculiar institution" > regardless of direct interest in the Guinea > trade..... The pages of Oliver's > "History of Antigua" are filled with correspondence > between Scots networking > to achieve some form of economic security and social > status. On Antigua > Scots (plenty from Aberdeenshire) were particularly > successful between 1690 > and 1820; so too in Jamaica. There are numerous and > well written books on > the topic and I'm sure David Dobson who has studied > Scottish migration so > long and so well has a few things to say here. > > It is an odd thing this notion that people could > somehow avoid involvement > with slavery while active in trade....it was the > world economy....based on > money and goods moving around like they had never > done before. You either > dove into it and got along with it or you lingered > unto death.....this > indeed is the likely source of all the denial! > > It gave the mills of Bristol something to make > cloth for. It created a > market for iron bars, and ready iron traded on the > Guinea Coast facilitated > African forms of manufacturing. It wasn't just rum > and slaves and sugar.... > > Saltfish from New England and Nova Scotia, white > oak for barrel staves from > the carolinas, beef, mutton and grain from Ireland > (and Scotland) Molasses > to New England for timber and provisions. Malagueta > pepper from Africa (the > original trade item of great importance by the way) > Horses nails, "pipes" of > madeira.... tools to build and clear the "American > plantations" Coffee, > Sugar, potatoes,pigments(logwood) new sources of > starch such as arrowroot > from St Vincent and Jamaica, long staple cottons > (sea island species) > machinery for the mills, the sheer dimension of it > is lost while mourning > the facts and fictions of the cruel traffic in > humans which became the > primary means to "open up" and kick start the > machine. > > Anyway the Scots made many contributions, many > noteworthy and some by our > standards now appalling. Everybody had a piece of > it, even the tradesmen in > port towns who took small shares in a local ship to > improve their chance of > a little wealth. > > Little known fact not quite pertinent to your topic: > Scots built a golf > course at Bance Island on the African Coast in the > 1700's! > > Anyway this is a rich vein and I think a survey of > research on those active > in the West Indies trade with roots in Aberdeenshire > will prove quite > surprising to your correspondent. And the emphasis > on "direct" links to > slavery is moot. The Atlantic exchange though not > always equally beneficial > to all parties (in the long run) existed out of > mutual self-interest and was > conducted between "equals" until later in the 1840's > or so when the > Europeans achieved technological superiority in > warfare and Africa had > exhausted itself by war, raiding, and an > undetermined degree of internal > resistance to the trade. The "wealth" generated on > the african side did not > build infrastructure or trade capacity in other > things.... European > Mercantilist policy certainly discouraged that > development, as it tried to > do in the Americas....but Europeans traded with > African counterparts and > held locations along the coast via leases granted by > Kings and Chiefdoms. > Most brokerage on the coast was african or > euro=african. There are plenty of > historical instances where african trading partners > made clear who was in > charge and plenty of Europeans died as a result. > > But much more was traded than rum and slaves....or > guns and slaves as it > really came to be. Links between the new Scots > merchants in the Americas, > England and Scotland were assiduously cultured and > propagated. Successful > Scots knew that to succeed they had to get real > money "out" of the > plantation system and often invested it "back" into > Scottish real estate and > development ventures. Their cousins served as their > factors at home, or > started branch offices etc..... That stimulus was > felt in places where there > was not the remotest need for slaves or African > goods. But there was good > pepper on their mutton and cheap sugar for their > coffee. There were rare > fruit at "affordable" prices. Pickled Ginger, etc... > it changed the world > period. It probably improved the quality of the > Scotch.... > > Anyway the final book is not yet written. The lesson > is not over. And it is > tragic so many died that we may learn it. > > Cod > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: [email protected] > Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 10:15:00 +0000 > To: "[email protected]" > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: Bicentenary of Abolition of the Slave > Trade > > Tony, > > Thanks for your informative e-mail, I will give it > some thought. > > The project that I am pursuing is very much based on > the African experience > of slavery; of the great Diaspora that occurred > between the 17th and 19th > centuries. My probelm is making this relevant to > the North-east of > Scotland, where there appears to have been little > DIRECT link with slavery. > > There are a number of colourful stories/histories > from this part of > Scotland relating to 'Slavery, The Abolition Of' > such as the life of Indian > Peter and that of John Ross, but though these are > extraordinary, they > relate to European not African personages. > > Any ideas? > > > David Atherton > Arts Education Officer (Creative Links) > Aberdeenshire Council > Education, Learning & Leisure > Woodhill House, > Westburn Road > === message truncated === ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ

On Jan 22, 3:23 pm, Linda Allen <[email protected]> wrote: > Can Anyone out there point me in the right direction. > I'm wanting to make a link between Celestian Kemp of St Croix and his son John who I believe was born in 1841. > By 1891 John was in Liverpool England. Married with children but believed to have been born in Virgin Islands. > I am becoming increasingly frustrated as i cannot make links between these two people. > Any advice would be gratefully received. > Thanks for any info. > Linda > _________________________________________________________________ > Telly addicts unite!http://www.searchgamesbox.com/tvtown.shtml Linda you could try the St Croix censuses (is that what they call them now?) available on the Danish archives site. They list members of households and their relationships. If they were on the island and lived in the same house, the information will be there. I am in the office, and don't have the url here... H

I am in the process of reviewing our tree but I have some challenges in finding the plantation owners that may have held my decendants. I know my family was from Fat hogs bay.it was also a settlement for the quakers. I also came across "stoutt" and Stout" my famiy says they are not the same. I know in some way all the family seems to be related in some way. any suggestion would be great. Thanks, Lori Stout

On Jan 27, 1:52 pm, Nneka X <[email protected]> wrote: > seeking info on philomene dolabaille who had three known children for > richard "donny" wallace of bequia, st vincent. years of birth for two > of the children are 1905 and 1907. as far as i know they were born in > trinidad but have no real confirmation on that. wallace went on to > marry someone else in 1925. found a woman named Lucy Dolabaille Alexis > Guerrero from lopinot on the internet and she was born a dolabaille in > 1908. here is the link:http://www.triniview.com/Lopinot/Alexis-Loppinot.htmlcould philomene > have been her aunt. i would like to know if her father or any of her > relatives was related to this philomene dolabaille. is there a > particular part of trinidad where the dolabaille family was > concentrated? are the majority of dolabailles on the island related? > > cheryl > > _________________________________________________________________ Yes, Arima.Try the phone book. H

still looking for any information on Edith Coutain..born in Woban Grenada. Anyone know of her? ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.west-indies To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 3:23 PM Subject: Re: FAURE, ALEXIS, BILLY, FRANCIS, LATOUCHE, PILGRIM - Grenada, Carriacou, Barbados, Tobago > Hi Jenni, > > What part of Grenada are your relatives from? I am familiar with the > Pilgrim and LaTouche names as St. George's Parish and specifically St. > Paul's District surnames. Alexis and Francis are extremely common > names throughout out the island - so it would be good to know from > where your Alexis and Francis relatives come. > > Here is some La Touche info (I don't know if any of them are your > people): > > Edith LaTouche approx birth year: 1905 > Father: John LaTouche of Springs, St. George's Grenada, BWI > Contact in NY - Sister: Mrs. George D. Ross > Description: 5'4" Fair complexion, brown hair, brown eyes, scar over > right eye > Source: Ellis Island Database (Arrival Date 25 July 1923 - Name of > Vessel: Mayaro) > > Elsewhere I found her birthdate as 1902 and her name as Edith Annie > LaTouche; father as John Thomas LaTouche and mother as Andrewline > Scott > > ----------- > May Georgiana LaTouche approx birth year 1891 > Father: John LaTouche of Springs, St. George's Grenada, BWI > Contact in NY & Passage paid by Caroline Ross > Description:5'6" Dark complexion, black hair, brown eyes > Source: Ellis Island Database (Arrival Date 1909 - Name of Vessel: > Maracas) > -------- > Catherine aka "Julie" LaTouche b. 1902 Father: Arthur LaTouche m. > Rupert Robinson the son of Rupert Robinson > > Children of John Thomas LaTouche and Andrewline Scott > > Edith Annie LaTouche b. 1902 (1905 on her immigration records) > Catherine Elizabeth LaTouche b. 1893 > Carolina Isabella b. 1899 (she is likely the Mrs. Caroline Ross listed > above) > > Other LaTouche's I've documented > > Rickford Alexander LaTouche m. Emily St. Bernard > > Richard Stephen LaTouche b. 1888 the son of David LaTouche m. > Alexandrina Philbert > > Dinna LaTouche daughter of Albert LaTouche m. Andrew Benoit, son of > Thomas Benoit > > These would all be St. George's Town or St. Paul's District or St. > David's near to the town folk. > > In terms of Pilgrims, I have been trying to collect information on > Mary Pilgrim of St. Paul's. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Jenni, What part of Grenada are your relatives from? I am familiar with the Pilgrim and LaTouche names as St. George's Parish and specifically St. Paul's District surnames. Alexis and Francis are extremely common names throughout out the island - so it would be good to know from where your Alexis and Francis relatives come. Here is some La Touche info (I don't know if any of them are your people): Edith LaTouche approx birth year: 1905 Father: John LaTouche of Springs, St. George's Grenada, BWI Contact in NY - Sister: Mrs. George D. Ross Description: 5'4" Fair complexion, brown hair, brown eyes, scar over right eye Source: Ellis Island Database (Arrival Date 25 July 1923 - Name of Vessel: Mayaro) Elsewhere I found her birthdate as 1902 and her name as Edith Annie LaTouche; father as John Thomas LaTouche and mother as Andrewline Scott ----------- May Georgiana LaTouche approx birth year 1891 Father: John LaTouche of Springs, St. George's Grenada, BWI Contact in NY & Passage paid by Caroline Ross Description:5'6" Dark complexion, black hair, brown eyes Source: Ellis Island Database (Arrival Date 1909 - Name of Vessel: Maracas) -------- Catherine aka "Julie" LaTouche b. 1902 Father: Arthur LaTouche m. Rupert Robinson the son of Rupert Robinson Children of John Thomas LaTouche and Andrewline Scott Edith Annie LaTouche b. 1902 (1905 on her immigration records) Catherine Elizabeth LaTouche b. 1893 Carolina Isabella b. 1899 (she is likely the Mrs. Caroline Ross listed above) Other LaTouche's I've documented Rickford Alexander LaTouche m. Emily St. Bernard Richard Stephen LaTouche b. 1888 the son of David LaTouche m. Alexandrina Philbert Dinna LaTouche daughter of Albert LaTouche m. Andrew Benoit, son of Thomas Benoit These would all be St. George's Town or St. Paul's District or St. David's near to the town folk. In terms of Pilgrims, I have been trying to collect information on Mary Pilgrim of St. Paul's.

Looking for Catherine E. Peterson. People called her "Blakie" DOB circa 1887, she was the mother of Alfred Lloyd (1905) and Charlie Ernest Lloyd (1911). She eventually married a Frett , some of their children were: Alice Rebecca, Amanda, Maria, William and Henry.

Hello, I would like to know how I can find birth records and information about my ancestor, born in Martinique sometime before 1830. His name was Etanislao Pascal. His father was Etanislao Pascal born in France and moved to Martinique until 1830. His wife was Leocadia Rodriguez. He had one brother named Emilio Pascal. It is of upmost importance that I can find information regarding this ancestor. I thank you for your time. There is a CASH REWARD for info on the above person. Thank you Angel Pascal

seeking info on philomene dolabaille who had three known children for richard "donny" wallace of bequia, st vincent. years of birth for two of the children are 1905 and 1907. as far as i know they were born in trinidad but have no real confirmation on that. wallace went on to marry someone else in 1925. found a woman named Lucy Dolabaille Alexis Guerrero from lopinot on the internet and she was born a dolabaille in 1908. here is the link: http://www.triniview.com/Lopinot/Alexis-Loppinot.html could philomene have been her aunt. i would like to know if her father or any of her relatives was related to this philomene dolabaille. is there a particular part of trinidad where the dolabaille family was concentrated? are the majority of dolabailles on the island related? cheryl _________________________________________________________________

I don't think they ARE - although they certainly WERE. Which, in fact, is what Ernest said.... (Although he omitted the quadroon/octaroon series that may've been more 'popular' on the Mainland.) Gus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Seth L. McPhie" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 6:15 PM Subject: Re: "cabresse" Thanks Ernest, I didn't think people were still into that anymore. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ernest M. Wiltshire" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 10:55 PM Subject: RE: "cabresse" > Hello Cathy: the French West indian islands had an elaborate set of > designations for people of mixed race, three quarters black, half, one > quarter, one eighth, one sixteenth... amazing as it may sound to modern > ears > [The English islands had similar but fewer categories: mulatto, mustee, > mustefino being some of the more frequent] > Some of the French words (female): negresse, mulatresse, cabresse, and the > rather odd term "chabine". > So in this case I think that "cabresse" is not a place but a racial > designation for a female who was "negro but relatively clear-skinned". The > male equivalent is apprently "capre". > > Ernest M. Wiltshire > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Cathy A. > Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 10:51 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Miscellaneous Manumissions Grenada 1766 and 1767 > Mormon Family History Film# 1563254 > page 207, entered 19 Sep 1766....Island of Grenada.....in consideration of > faithful service....he manumits the Cabresse wench called Charlotte.... > > I'm not sure about the meaning of Cabresse, but it could be an island not > far from Trinidad. > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.11/1242 - Release Date: > 1/24/2008 > 8:32 PM > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.11/1243 - Release Date: > 1/25/2008 11:24 AM > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On Jan 25, 10:55 pm, "Ernest M. Wiltshire" <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello Cathy: the French West indian islands had an elaborate set of > designations for people of mixed race, three quarters black, half, one > quarter, one eighth, one sixteenth... amazing as it may sound to modern ears > [The English islands had similar but fewer categories: mulatto, mustee, > mustefino being some of the more frequent] > Some of the French words (female): negresse, mulatresse, cabresse, and the > rather odd term "chabine". > So in this case I think that "cabresse" is not a place but a racial > designation for a female who was "negro but relatively clear-skinned". The > male equivalent is apprently "capre". > > Ernest M. Wiltshire > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > > On Behalf Of Cathy A. > Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 10:51 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Miscellaneous Manumissions Grenada 1766 and 1767 > Mormon Family History Film# 1563254 > page 207, entered 19 Sep 1766....Island of Grenada.....in consideration of > faithful service....he manumits the Cabresse wench called Charlotte.... > > I'm not sure about the meaning of Cabresse, but it could be an island not > far from Trinidad. > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.11/1242 - Release Date: 1/24/2008 > 8:32 PM Thanks Ernest, That's very helpful. I couldn't find the word in my French or Caribbean dictionary and the only thing that Google turned up was the small island of Trinidad. I was familiar with many of the terms used in English but not the French ones. I appreciate your insight. Cathy

Thanks Ernest, I didn't think people were still into that anymore. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ernest M. Wiltshire" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 10:55 PM Subject: RE: "cabresse" > Hello Cathy: the French West indian islands had an elaborate set of > designations for people of mixed race, three quarters black, half, one > quarter, one eighth, one sixteenth... amazing as it may sound to modern > ears > [The English islands had similar but fewer categories: mulatto, mustee, > mustefino being some of the more frequent] > Some of the French words (female): negresse, mulatresse, cabresse, and the > rather odd term "chabine". > So in this case I think that "cabresse" is not a place but a racial > designation for a female who was "negro but relatively clear-skinned". The > male equivalent is apprently "capre". > > Ernest M. Wiltshire > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Cathy A. > Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 10:51 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Miscellaneous Manumissions Grenada 1766 and 1767 > Mormon Family History Film# 1563254 > page 207, entered 19 Sep 1766....Island of Grenada.....in consideration of > faithful service....he manumits the Cabresse wench called Charlotte.... > > I'm not sure about the meaning of Cabresse, but it could be an island not > far from Trinidad. > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.11/1242 - Release Date: > 1/24/2008 > 8:32 PM > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.11/1243 - Release Date: > 1/25/2008 11:24 AM >

Hello Cathy: the French West indian islands had an elaborate set of designations for people of mixed race, three quarters black, half, one quarter, one eighth, one sixteenth... amazing as it may sound to modern ears [The English islands had similar but fewer categories: mulatto, mustee, mustefino being some of the more frequent] Some of the French words (female): negresse, mulatresse, cabresse, and the rather odd term "chabine". So in this case I think that "cabresse" is not a place but a racial designation for a female who was "negro but relatively clear-skinned". The male equivalent is apprently "capre". Ernest M. Wiltshire -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Cathy A. Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 10:51 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Miscellaneous Manumissions Grenada 1766 and 1767 Mormon Family History Film# 1563254 page 207, entered 19 Sep 1766....Island of Grenada.....in consideration of faithful service....he manumits the Cabresse wench called Charlotte.... I'm not sure about the meaning of Cabresse, but it could be an island not far from Trinidad. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.11/1242 - Release Date: 1/24/2008 8:32 PM

In my transcribing census records I came across the following - Alexander Henriques age 30, sugar importer from the West Indies. His wife's name was Jane born in Conn., USA. He was living in the 6th ward, Kings county, N. Y.. This might be of interest to somebody. Alba Dunlop

This may be useful for someone. Mormon Family History Film #1563342 Vol. O Folio 1, entered 9 March 1769...This indenture made the ninth day of March in the ninth year of the reign of our sovereign Lord George the third...and in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and sixty seven ...the said John Hector DePressat De Lionel DeLisle Esquire hath granted...and sold all that island called Salines lying near Carriacou containing about 24 acres and all the works, buildings, houses mills, still, home, ?, ? carts, carriages...and also all those twenty slaves following that is to say Janet, Simon, Charlot, Jules, Lamotie, Coffee, Alexander, ?, Comba, Lafortune, Antoine, Lisette, Venus, Catherine, Christine, ?, Catherine, Grande and her child and Angelique... Cathy A.

Film #1563329 Volume R2 Folio 270, entered 17 March 1818...of the town of Saint George in the island of Grenada...the negro boy slave hereinafter named may by the enjoyment of his freedom be enabled to become an industrious and useful member of society have manumitted...and forever set free the negro boy slave named Louis my property...