Greetings to all from a lurker! Can anyone explain why the double Fs at the beginning of Ffrye? Another example I've seen -- the family name Ffrench. Bon weekend, Augusta Elmwood New Orleans ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ernest M. Wiltshire" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, 07 March, 2008 10:15 Subject: RE: ROSE & FFRYE

I can tell you where to look for the info on the Hon. George ROSE (1744 to 13 Jan 1818). He was the son of David ROSE & Margaret (also nee ROSE), & the the greatgrandson of David ROSE, of Earlsfield and Termet (See Burkes Landed Gentry 1952, ROSE of Leweston & ROSE of Kilravock). His wife Theodora DUER (abt 1743/44 to 6 Nov 1834) was the dau of the Hon. Maj. John DUER of Antigua and Frances his wife nee FFRYE, but I see nothing to indicate that George & Theodora actually lived in the West Indies. It is really the Duers who have the Antiguan connections. Their eldest son Sir George Henry ROSE was born 1770 in Berlin, Germany; the latter's daughter, Frances Theodora ROSE married 3 Jul 1817 George Sholto DOUGLAS, Earl Morton, (you can easily find the Douglases in Burke's). I have seen nothing that would suggest a link to the Duke of Richmond. Ernest M. Wiltshire -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Kristy Willoughby Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 12:17 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Roses in Barbados ... I'd be interested in the Roses of Antigua, mainly because of The Right Honorable George Rose who married a Theodora Druer or Duer who is described as a West Indian heiress. George ended up owning a lot of property on Antigua. George Rose was Treasurer of the Navy at the time Robert served and his name keeps popping up everywhere I look in this saga. I wouldn't be surprised if our Robert turned out to be some sort of kinsman to George Rose. If Robert joined the Pelican from the Caribbean I'd be even more sure! Thanks again to everybody for your interest. Bye Anne No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.5/1314 - Release Date: 3/5/2008 6:38 PM

Hi, The only indication I have of when my Robert RR Rose was born is from "General Don's Muster" which was taken in 1815 of all the military aged males on Jersey. There is a Richmond Rose in St Helier aged 51. If this is my man (and I think it is) that makes his DOB c1764. That makes the marriage of Robert Rose and Elizabeth Brereton interesting. My Robert called his eldest daughter Elizabeth. All the advise I've been given says that Pursers in the RN came almost exclusively from the Merchant class. Businessmen in other words. Thank you all so much for your help. Anne, from hot and humid Sydney > _________________________________________________________________ Your Future Starts Here. Dream it? Then be it! Find it at www.seek.com.au http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fninemsn%2Eseek%2Ecom%2Eau%2F%3Ftracking%3Dsk%3Ahet%3Ask%3Anine%3A0%3Ahot%3Atext&_t=764565661&_r=OCT07_endtext_Future&_m=EXT

Hi, I'm new to the list and I'm researching Robert Reginald Richmond Rose, who was in the Royal Navy from 1799-1806 serving as a Purser. In December 1800 Robert RR was on HMS Pelican and in Jersey ,the Channel Islands as evidenced by his marriage certificate to Ann Waters. I've traced the Pelican via the London Gazette and found that she spent all of 1799 to April 1800 in the Caribbean on active service and taking many prizes. My question is this. Would anyone know if Robert RR could have been recruited as Purser from the Caribbean, a local man in other words? I've so far been unable to find out for sure exactly what the RNs policy was re replacement officers in that time period. Would they would have sent a replacement officer out from England ? Members of my family have been chasing the identity of Robert RR Rose since the early 1900's without any success in the UK, or Jersey where he eventually settled and raised his family. No one knows where he was born or where he died. I have always thought he was probably born outside the UK. An answer to the above question would decide whether I should start looking in the Caribbean. Thanks Anne _________________________________________________________________ What are you waiting for? Join Lavalife FREE http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Flavalife9%2Eninemsn%2Ecom%2Eau%2Fclickthru%2Fclickthru%2Eact%3Fid%3Dninemsn%26context%3Dan99%26locale%3Den%5FAU%26a%3D30288&_t=764581033&_r=email_taglines_Join_free_OCT07&_m=EXT

On Mar 6, 2:36 am, Kristy Willoughby <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi, >    I'm new to the list and I'm researching Robert Reginald Richmond Rose, who was in the Royal Navy from 1799-1806 serving as a Purser. In December 1800 Robert RR was on HMS Pelican and in Jersey ,the Channel Islands as evidenced by his marriage certificate to Ann Waters. I've traced the Pelican via the London Gazette and found that she spent all of 1799 to April 1800 in the Caribbean on active service and taking many prizes. My question is this. Would anyone know if Robert RR could have been recruited as Purser from the Caribbean, a local man in other words? I've so far been unable to find out for sure exactly what the RNs policy was re replacement officers in that time period. Would they would have sent a replacement officer out from England ? >   Members of my family have been chasing the identity of Robert RR Rose since the early 1900's without any success in the UK, or Jersey where he eventually settled and raised his family. No one knows where he was born or where he died. I have always thought he was probably born outside the UK. An answer to the above question would decide whether I should start looking in the Caribbean. >    Thanks Anne > _________________________________________________________________ > What are you waiting for? Join Lavalife FREEhttp://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Flavalife9%2Eninemsn%2... Dear Kristy, What have you and your family been able to find about your Mr Rose from The National Archives at Kew? Their muster books etc. will have details of the crew on HMS Pelican and probably where individuals came from initially: certainly date of birth / age. Also, what about the Navy List which describes naval officers? Best wishes, David Richardson.

Rose is a common name.? I have Rose ancestors from St. Vincent and Bequia, by way of St. Eustatius.? My gggggrandfather William Rose was a merchant captain in the West Indies roughly 20 years before your Robert Rose, and ended up as a planter on Bequia.? In between he was a merchant on St. Eustatius.? He seems to have been a Scot.? His son James, who died in Dundee, owned a share of a merchant ship according to his will.? I have not seen a Robert in my Roses but I certainly don't have the whole family tree. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 11:05 pm Subject: Roses in Barbados Chris, I plugged "Robert Rose" + Caribbean into the familysearch.org international geneaological index and came up with a Robert Rose christened in Barbados 16 Mar 1648. There's another christened at Christ Church, Barbados, 9 Jan. 1652. Then we come to a Robert Rose christened 16 Sept 1743 in St. Philip, Barbados. (These apparently are from parochial registers.) And one Robert Rose married Elizabeth Brereton 9 feb 1764 in St. Philip. Seems there are lots of Roses out there! Best regards, Laura in a windy NC On Mar 5, 2008, at 9:36 PM, Kristy Willoughby wrote: > Hi, > I'm new to the list and I'm researching Robert Reginald Richmond > Rose, who was in the Royal Navy from 1799-1806 serving as a Purser. > In December 1800 Robert RR was on HMS Pelican and in Jersey ,the > Channel Islands as evidenced by his marriage certificate to Ann > Waters. I've traced the Pelican via the London Gazette and found > that she spent all of 1799 to April 1800 in the Caribbean on active > service and taking many prizes. My question is this. Would anyone > know if Robert RR could have been recruited as Purser from the > Caribbean, a local man in other words? I've so far been unable to > find out for sure exactly what the RNs policy was re replacement > officers in that time period. Would they would have sent a > replacement officer out from England ? > Members of my family have been chasing the identity of Robert RR > Rose since the early 1900's without any success in the UK, or > Jersey where he eventually settled and raised his family. No one > knows where he was born or where he died. I have always thought he > was probably born outside the UK. An answer to the above question > would decide whether I should start looking in the Caribbean. > Thanks Anne > _________________________________________________________________ > What are you waiting for? Join Lavalife FREE > http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Flavalife9%2Eninemsn% > 2Ecom%2Eau%2Fclickthru%2Fclickthru%2Eact%3Fid%3Dninemsn%26context% > 3Dan99%26locale%3Den%5FAU%26a% > 3D30288&_t=764581033&_r=email_taglines_Join_free_OCT07&_m=EXT > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARIBBEAN- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Chris, I plugged "Robert Rose" + Caribbean into the familysearch.org international geneaological index and came up with a Robert Rose christened in Barbados 16 Mar 1648. There's another christened at Christ Church, Barbados, 9 Jan. 1652. Then we come to a Robert Rose christened 16 Sept 1743 in St. Philip, Barbados. (These apparently are from parochial registers.) And one Robert Rose married Elizabeth Brereton 9 feb 1764 in St. Philip. Seems there are lots of Roses out there! Best regards, Laura in a windy NC On Mar 5, 2008, at 9:36 PM, Kristy Willoughby wrote: > Hi, > I'm new to the list and I'm researching Robert Reginald Richmond > Rose, who was in the Royal Navy from 1799-1806 serving as a Purser. > In December 1800 Robert RR was on HMS Pelican and in Jersey ,the > Channel Islands as evidenced by his marriage certificate to Ann > Waters. I've traced the Pelican via the London Gazette and found > that she spent all of 1799 to April 1800 in the Caribbean on active > service and taking many prizes. My question is this. Would anyone > know if Robert RR could have been recruited as Purser from the > Caribbean, a local man in other words? I've so far been unable to > find out for sure exactly what the RNs policy was re replacement > officers in that time period. Would they would have sent a > replacement officer out from England ? > Members of my family have been chasing the identity of Robert RR > Rose since the early 1900's without any success in the UK, or > Jersey where he eventually settled and raised his family. No one > knows where he was born or where he died. I have always thought he > was probably born outside the UK. An answer to the above question > would decide whether I should start looking in the Caribbean. > Thanks Anne > _________________________________________________________________ > What are you waiting for? Join Lavalife FREE > http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Flavalife9%2Eninemsn% > 2Ecom%2Eau%2Fclickthru%2Fclickthru%2Eact%3Fid%3Dninemsn%26context% > 3Dan99%26locale%3Den%5FAU%26a% > 3D30288&_t=764581033&_r=email_taglines_Join_free_OCT07&_m=EXT > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARIBBEAN- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Levon It will always help other listers if you specify a time period for the people you are studying. It also helps if you identify a target person or group which represents your take off point from "known" to unKnown.... There are a lot of sources you can learn about: The LDS has filmed many of the older vital records in Jamaica for information on sources like theirs see Madeleine Mitchell's incredibly informative Jamaica Genealogy web-site: http://users.pullman.com/mitchelm/jamaica.htm her site is something to mark in your favorites and study over time because there is far too much to digest in a quick visit. For hard data from Jamaica Almanacs, Gleaners, and various other written sources such as extracts from Caribbeana, various Histories of Jamaica, Monumental Inscriptions, etc see Patricia Jackson's "Jamaica Family Search" http://www.jamaicanfamilysearch.com/ which has a ton of hard information which you can have full access to for a very minimal fee. This is a start. Mitchel's web-site has a lot of wise advice on how to tackle Jamaica research. I have been doing this since 1995 and return to her site all the time to remind myself of angles and dangles... In addition, once you put together a bit more specific target group with facts known etc you have some fine researchers lurking on this list with many years experience picking through Jamaica sources... I hope this is some help, ChrisCod -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of levon Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 4:16 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Johns Family Jamaica I am very interested in the Johns family from Jamaica Westmoreland and St Elizabeth, does anyone have information or how do I find this information? Thank you for any assistance Levon Johns (UK) -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 294 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len

M. A. Marrero wrote: > This is to inform the list that I have relinquished moderation of the list to Chris Codrington, as I am no longer able to give it the attention it deserves. > > Chris, please e-mail me directly so that I can send you the login information for the list. Thank you for volunteering and I appreciate you stepping in! > > My e-mail address is CaribbeanKingdom at yahoo.com (replace at with @) > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping Thank you so much for the time you have given. It must have taken a lot of time away from other things. Chris, thank you for stepping in to take over the role. Without this list my Jamaican research would have ground to a halt years ago. Thanks Again Jim

I am very interested in the Johns family from Jamaica Westmoreland and St Elizabeth, does anyone have information or how do I find this information? Thank you for any assistance Levon Johns (UK)

I am very interested in the FORSTALL/FORESTALL family from Ireland and the BARRY family of St. Christopher/St. Kitts. I do have a little on the Forstalls in Ireland, but most of my information is on the Nicolas FORSTALL who came to Martinique circa 1700, possibly married circa 1725 to a Jeanne BARRY (possible daughter of Jean du BARRY), and died there. His son, Nicolas, came to New Orleans, LA, USA, where he left numerous progeny, among them, me. William P. Farrington [email protected]

Hi Laura, Yes, that was my own webpage that you found! So yes, I do know that stuff. I doubt that the others you found are mine. What I am really wanting is what happened to Peter Moore, whose acte de mariage is on my webpage - family stories have it tht he disappeared in the Sth American jungle, but when? and is this true? Also when the Moores came to the Caribbean from Ireland, and whether family legend is true that they were related to the Earls of Drogheda. All rather obscure stuff. But yes, I'll keep searching! Marie

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Several of you have asked for the wills book from which I got the West Indies entries. You may find it here: http://tinyurl.com/yv7n72 Best, Laura

I found this in the Collections o the New York Historical Soceity, 1895, a will by John Moore in 1748 of New York, merchant, with connections in Philadelphia. He has sons John, Lambert, Daniel, Thomas, Charles, Richard, Stephen, and William and daughters Anne, Susanah, Frances, and Rebecca. who says his son John has died in 1748 or 1749 in Jamaica. Cheers, Laura

I stumbled on this. Is this anyone's kin? "I, Jean, Seavant, Doctor of Physick, who was born at Saulieu, in the Province of Bourgogune, in France, who for some yeas past have lived at Cape Francis in the West Indies, and was lately taken by the English Privateer in the ship Marques Tourne, Captain Peter Lizigojen, command, and brought to New York, being now here in the Province of New York a prisoner and very sick.... Found on Google Books abstracts of wills recorded in New York to 1754 (Collections of the New York Historical Society 1895). P75 for Cranston & Moore of Jamaica, 103 for Sinya de Tores, Jamiaca (he says he is Jewish), p129 for Copland and p442 for Quackinbush. Also, Susanah Tull of Jamaica (352), who mentions John Joyce and Dr. Wm Webb of Jamaica. And Lewis Rou of Curacoa p.327. And Gomez in Jamaica, p311. Hope this helps someone connect. Laura

I googled Moore + St. Eustatuis and came up with this at http:// www.icr.com.au/~mcameron/Moore-Serane%20marriage.html. I think you already have this, though. Extract from the Civil Public Registers of the French part of St Martin Island. 19 June 1815. Act of Marriage. Mr Peter Moore, Miss Serane. Act of Marriage of Mr Peter Moore, landowner and resident of St Eustatius Island, at present in this part of St Martin Island, aged about 23 years, born on the aforesaid St Eustatius Island on 18 October 1792, of age, legitimate son of William Moore and Adrienne Heyliger, landowners living on the aforesaid St Eustatius Island; and Miss Marie Francoise Adelaide Serane, minor, resident of this French part of St Martin Island, aged about 17 years, born in Basseterre, Guadeloupe on 25 November 1797, legitimate daughter of the late Joseph Serane... Is that your family? I also found a Commodore John Moore as Commander in chief of the Leeward Islands Station in 1757. A William Moore served under Captain Kiidd on the Adventure.... Happy hunting, Laura > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Moores and Heyligers (Marie Cameron) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 18:36:10 +1000 > From: Marie Cameron <[email protected]> > Subject: Moores and Heyligers > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > Hi, cuz Yvonne! (well maybe - don't think any of my Moores were where > yours were!) > > When you look for Moores in the Caribbean on the IGI, the category is > "Caribbean Islands". And there were a whole heap listed for > Barbados - > none for St Eustatius, regrettably! That's all I know, I'm afraid. > Nothing profound to offer! > > Marie > > > > End of CARIBBEAN Digest, Vol 3, Issue 43 > ****************************************

I am researching Moores and Pollards,1800s, St Lucia and Barbados. My maternal GF was a LaMotte from Grenada. The oldest relative I can trace are my gggm- Rebecca Moore and ggm Agusta(Gussy) Moore mid 1800s Barbados has the following sibllings: Jane, John and Henry. Not sure when Agusta met Samuel(Robert) Pollard Barbados but maybe 1 or all of their children were born in St lucia,( Miriam, Elizabeth, Cybil, William and Rosaline- my GM). Yvonne (Cuzin' Choli)

Hi, cuz Yvonne! (well maybe - don't think any of my Moores were where yours were!) When you look for Moores in the Caribbean on the IGI, the category is "Caribbean Islands". And there were a whole heap listed for Barbados - none for St Eustatius, regrettably! That's all I know, I'm afraid. Nothing profound to offer! Marie

Hello all, I would like to open the tourist business in Dominica and other Caribbean islands. Can you tell me, please, whether and how to be a citizen can obtain citizenship in one of the Caribbean: what are the conditions, and how much it costs? Alexey Balin