Hi Nivard Thanks for your comment. I have used FamilySearch to supplement the SSDI database I have on CD-ROM, but cannot find out how often it is updated. Searching on "[first names] and 2009" today, the most recent death I traced on FamilySearch occurred on 15 August 2009. Not bad. I was attracted by the positive assurance that Footnote updates weekly its own SSDI database and includes it among its free services. However, I will probably replace one of my current subscriptions with a payment to Footnote at some point, anyway. Regards Peter Nivard Ovington <ovington1@sky.com> wrote 17/09/2009: > Hi Peter > > The SSDI is available on familysearch > > I don't know how often it is updated but its there, and free > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) >> have just discovered that Footnote now provides free access to The >> (U.S.) Social Security Death Index (SSDI), updated weekly, and found on >> it some of my PENN family who had migrated to the U.S.V.I. and U.S. >> mainland >> <http://survey.iarchives.com/fnsurvey/Default1.aspx?link=Un24QKr%2bEuXi0xvDEU65Gw%3d%3d&linkid=184> >> >> Peter Moll >> Tortola, BVI

Joining is a great first step! But to get information, it is advisable to let people know what names/dates/places you are seeking information on, otherwise no one would know what to send you. Happy hunting!   Diana Robinson (nee Gardner) Now in Rochester, NY, USA -----Original Message----- From: caribbean-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:caribbean-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of caribbean-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 3:00 AM To: caribbean@rootsweb.com Subject: CARIBBEAN Digest, Vol 4, Issue 205 Today's Topics: 1. New to Caribbean genealogy (Els) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 12:09:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Els <elsaborzoi@gmail.com> Subject: [Carib] New to Caribbean genealogy To: caribbean@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <7a1658da-3086-48b2-86f6-e2c9ce8b62e1@d4g2000vbm.googlegroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 ... but not genealogy itself. I have been actively working on genealogy since late 1987. I take on many additional genealogical projects for many different people, no charge, just to keep myself sharp and expand my horizons. My adopted sister (yes, I'm doing hers, too) is a special ed teacher. Two of her three para eds have asked my to work on theirs. One has US back to England stuff on one side, and Metis Indian/ French Canadian on the other side. The latter is new to me. Another para is African American; her mother was born in St. Kitts. This also is brand new to me, and I am really looking forward to it. Els End of CARIBBEAN Digest, Vol 4, Issue 205 *****************************************

... but not genealogy itself. I have been actively working on genealogy since late 1987. I take on many additional genealogical projects for many different people, no charge, just to keep myself sharp and expand my horizons. My adopted sister (yes, I'm doing hers, too) is a special ed teacher. Two of her three para eds have asked my to work on theirs. One has US back to England stuff on one side, and Metis Indian/ French Canadian on the other side. The latter is new to me. Another para is African American; her mother was born in St. Kitts. This also is brand new to me, and I am really looking forward to it. Els

Hi Peter The SSDI is available on familysearch I don't know how often it is updated but its there, and free Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) >I have just discovered that Footnote now provides free access to The > (U.S.) Social Security Death Index (SSDI), updated weekly, and found on > it some of my PENN family who had migrated to the U.S.V.I. and U.S. > mainland > <http://survey.iarchives.com/fnsurvey/Default1.aspx?link=Un24QKr%2bEuXi0xvDEU65Gw%3d%3d&linkid=184> > > Peter Moll > Tortola, BVI

I have just discovered that Footnote now provides free access to The (U.S.) Social Security Death Index (SSDI), updated weekly, and found on it some of my PENN family who had migrated to the U.S.V.I. and U.S. mainland <http://survey.iarchives.com/fnsurvey/Default1.aspx?link=Un24QKr%2bEuXi0xvDEU65Gw%3d%3d&linkid=184> Peter Moll Tortola, BVI

lwa101@comcast.net wrote: > Ann, you ask the most engaging questions. It will be fun to learn from > others on this. > > I can only contribute on turner two meanings I know of. The first is > that an occupation is close to what one might call a fitter (as in > pipe fitter). It has to do with mechanical fabrication. (I suspect the > term comes from fabrication utilizing a lathe. > Lathe work leads to the most common meaning - a turner is a person who shapes wood on a lathe, most commonly for such things as table legs, chair legs and back staves, staircase balusters, candlesticks and so on - Turner is a very common name in England. It was a country occupation, turning being possible with quite primitive mechanisms, handmade from wood and rope, world-wide precursors of the complex metal machines that first come to mind today. John Weiss

Thank you both, I found those two definations, and discarded the military use, as it would be rather difficult to use in the 'VI' since most of the conflicts were at sea. What makes this reading so complicated is the fact that some of the words have their root meaning in; Prussian/German, Dutch, Danish, Swedish and 'only God knows what'! Trying to translate into a 17th century setting, only add to the mess. I did discover that "Fendrick/Fendrich=Standard Bearer. Also, a Turner is also a sentury on a tower. Go figure! Ann "Sharing the information." Researching the USVI, St.Eustatius, St. Barths, Barbados

Ann, you ask the most engaging questions. It will be fun to learn from others on this. I can only contribute on turner two meanings I know of. The first is that an occupation is close to what one might call a fitter (as in pipe fitter). It has to do with mechanical fabrication. (I suspect the term comes from fabrication utilizing a lathe.) The second definition comes from around 1811, when a movement was founded in Berlin, in what was Prussia, to unite the principalities into one nation to fight Napoleon. The Turner movement, essentially liberal, involved physical training (not dissimilar to the YMCA) as well as patriotic ideals. The Turners were driven underground during Metternich's age. And now I am at the very limit of my knowledge on this. Cheers, Laura On Sep 15, 2009, at 10:34 PM, Ann Q wrote: > > Dear Lister, > > I have, for the past 3 days, been re-reading Ryberg's List of Names > of the Inhabitants of the Danish West Indies., and I have some more > words. > > > Turner >

Dear Lister, I have, for the past 3 days, been re-reading Ryberg's List of Names of the Inhabitants of the Danish West Indies., and I have some more words. In every case I have tried to use the dictionary or any source online. I relalize that some words mean one thing in the 17th century and another now. So keeping that in mind, here goes; Poster Summoner Gerfrieder Horn Blower Slidyer Largobuyeret Needling Doaler Tapper Brabrender Potentat Sattler Sveardfeger Turner Kuyper Copiest Constable math Rentekammer Some things seems self evident, as Examiner Jurist, I am hoping is a prosecuter, but who knows. Hope you can help, Ann "Sharing the information." Researching the USVI, St.Eustatius, St. Barths, Barbados

On 15 Sep., 04:58, "Augusta Elmwood" <augus...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > Peter, thanks for welcoming Dr. G. to the List for us. > > Dr. G, have you done any studies on the Germans who came to Saint-Domingue > from the failed expedition to Kourou (1764, I believe)? ... a really tragic > story which runs parallel to the Germans that were brought to Louisiana > during the time of the John Law Company. > > Best regards, > Augusta Elmwood > New Orleans > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Spring" <spr...@surfbvi.com> > To: <caribb...@rootsweb.com> > > Cc: <glie...@zedat.fu-berlin.de> > Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 5:02 PM > Subject: Re: [Carib] Historical Research and Information Service (on) Saint > Domingue/ Haiti > > > We must thank Dr Gliech for introducing himself to our List and updating > > us on the development of his web site.  He should feel free to correct > > any inaccuracies in my description of it. > > I have various reasons for my interest in his work, apart from wishing > > to underline its value in telling us so much about the history of half > > of Hispaniola, an island whose colonisation and struggles for > > independence are only occasionally mentioned on our list: > > > 1. Income from migrants to the cane fields of the D.R. (Dominican > > Republic) was important to the economy of the BVI (British Virgin > > Islands) up to the 1960s, but the flow is now reversed, spear-headed by > > their Spanish-speaking descendants seeking to share in the BVI's modern > > prosperity, based on the tourism and financial services industries.  The > > history of the two parts of Hispaniola (modern Haiti and the DR) are > > closely intertwined (still evident during a recent holiday in the DR), > > although most Haitians reaching the BVI now are illegal immigrants > > seeking to enter the USA through the USVI (United States Virgin Islands) > > > 2. Germans settled throughout the Caribbean, but their attempts to > > establish their own colonies in the Virgin Islands archipelago in the > > late 17th century were thwarted by Britain and Denmark.  After an > > abortive attempt to set up a plantation on St Thomas, slave traders from > > Brandenburg (capital: Berlin) tried to establish themselves on Peter > > Island, just out of sight from my home, but  Colonel Codrington, > > Governor of the Leeward Islands, forced them out. > > > 3.  The successful transfer of the Danish West Indies to the United > > States in 1917 (during the First World War) was driven by the US's fears > > that they would fall into German hands, but they followed two earlier > > abortive agreements to do so. The first treaty, to transfer just St > > Thomas and St John to the USA, was signed in 1867, after a new > > government in Denmark had overcome opposition to the loss of more > > territory, as recent wars with Austria and the German state of Prussia > > (capital: Berlin) had forced the Danes to cede to them its duchies of > > Schleswig and Holstein. > > ////// > > 4.. My paternal grandfather was also born in Berlin, several decades > > before Dr Gliech.  I envy his linguistic abilities, as my own knowledge > > of German is sadly under-developed. > > > Best wishes > > > Peter Moll > > Tortola, BVI > > > O.Gliech <glie...@zedat.fu-berlin.de> wrote 11/09/2009: > > > Dear colleagues, > > > I am the author of the cited website Domingino. If you have any > > questions concerning the list of former Domingan plantation owners or > > the scientific quality of the service, I am ready to answer them here. > > >>From time to time I will add new material of general interest on my > > website; many of these informations will be free of charge. Today I > > made the official "list of parishes and municipalities of the former > > colony of Saint Domingue", dressed by the French Royal Indemnity > > Commission in 1829, available to the public. You may find it here: > >http://www.domingino.de/stdomin/index_st_dom_eng.html. > > > Best wishes, > > > Dr. des. Oliver Gliech (Berlin/Germany) > > >> On 30 Aug., 04:28, "augustae" <augus...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > >>> Thanks, Peter !!  That was so very kind and patient of you to do that. > >>> I > >>> appreciate the time I know you must have spent exploring it. > > >>> Augusta > > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "Spring" <spr...@surfbvi.com> > >>> To: <caribb...@rootsweb.com>; "Augusta Elmwood" <augus...@bellsouth.net> > >>> Sent: Friday, 28 August, 2009 21:09 > >>> Subject: [Carib] Historical Research and Information Service (on) Saint > >>> Domingue/ Haiti (was: From the GHC Liste ...) > >>> **After dissecting this interesting web site, I can describe its main > >>> contents at present, but be aware that its pages may be removed for > >>> revision and new ones added by its originator, Dr Oliver Gliech, at any > >>> time, as he is only in the early stages of developing this "Historical > >>> Research and Information Service (on) Saint Domingue/ Haiti".  It is > >>> based on the resources he consulted for his doctoral thesis on "The > >>> Slave Uprising of Saint-Domingue and the French Revolution" (to be > >>> published in 2010) and will be the first part of a Regional History of > >>> Latin America. Multilingual versions of his web pages will be linked > >>> through icons of the French, German, UK and U.S national flags.... > >>> (more) > >     *************************** > > The Caribbean List now has a Resources Page at Historic Antigua and > > Barbudahttp://www.rootsweb.com/~atgwgw/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > CARIBBEAN-requ...@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------­----- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG -www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.97/2370 - Release Date: 09/14/09 > 11:36:00- Zitierten Text ausblenden - > > - Zitierten Text anzeigen - Dear Mrs. Elmwood, there is a book on the matter which mentions the Germans but I did not do any research myself: - Michel, Jacques: La Guyane sous l'Ancien régime: le désastre de Kourou et ses scandaleuses suites judiciaires, l'Harmattan, Paris, 1989 (Guyane 1763-1765) The only file that I have found is the following, mentioned by source 1. I have not seen this file personally. Archives départementaIes (Ille-et-Vilaine) 20, avenue Jules-Ferry, 35000 Rennes. Série Ille-et-Vilaine C. C 5058. Correspondance entre le duc de Choiseul et la Commission intermédiaire des États de Bretagne relative à l'émigration de familles allemandes en Guyane, fin XVIIIe S. If you know some names of Germans who might have settled down in St- Domingue in the 1760s I could look if I have anything in my database, but it generally starts only in the 1770s. The Domingan colonial government had an interpreter for German in 1789 (M. le Bugnet who lived in Port-au-Prince). That might be an indication that there was still a German speeking population of some importance in Saint Domingue. Source 1: Archives Nationales: Guide des Sources de l'histoire de l'Amérique latine et des Antilles dans les Archives Françaises, Archives Nationales, 1984, p. 357. Best wishes, Dr. des. Oliver Gliech

Peter, thanks for welcoming Dr. G. to the List for us. Dr. G, have you done any studies on the Germans who came to Saint-Domingue from the failed expedition to Kourou (1764, I believe)? ... a really tragic story which runs parallel to the Germans that were brought to Louisiana during the time of the John Law Company. Best regards, Augusta Elmwood New Orleans ----- Original Message ----- From: "Spring" <spring@surfbvi.com> To: <caribbean@rootsweb.com> Cc: <gliech1@zedat.fu-berlin.de> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 5:02 PM Subject: Re: [Carib] Historical Research and Information Service (on) Saint Domingue/ Haiti > We must thank Dr Gliech for introducing himself to our List and updating > us on the development of his web site. He should feel free to correct > any inaccuracies in my description of it. > I have various reasons for my interest in his work, apart from wishing > to underline its value in telling us so much about the history of half > of Hispaniola, an island whose colonisation and struggles for > independence are only occasionally mentioned on our list: > > 1. Income from migrants to the cane fields of the D.R. (Dominican > Republic) was important to the economy of the BVI (British Virgin > Islands) up to the 1960s, but the flow is now reversed, spear-headed by > their Spanish-speaking descendants seeking to share in the BVI's modern > prosperity, based on the tourism and financial services industries. The > history of the two parts of Hispaniola (modern Haiti and the DR) are > closely intertwined (still evident during a recent holiday in the DR), > although most Haitians reaching the BVI now are illegal immigrants > seeking to enter the USA through the USVI (United States Virgin Islands) > > 2. Germans settled throughout the Caribbean, but their attempts to > establish their own colonies in the Virgin Islands archipelago in the > late 17th century were thwarted by Britain and Denmark. After an > abortive attempt to set up a plantation on St Thomas, slave traders from > Brandenburg (capital: Berlin) tried to establish themselves on Peter > Island, just out of sight from my home, but Colonel Codrington, > Governor of the Leeward Islands, forced them out. > > 3. The successful transfer of the Danish West Indies to the United > States in 1917 (during the First World War) was driven by the US's fears > that they would fall into German hands, but they followed two earlier > abortive agreements to do so. The first treaty, to transfer just St > Thomas and St John to the USA, was signed in 1867, after a new > government in Denmark had overcome opposition to the loss of more > territory, as recent wars with Austria and the German state of Prussia > (capital: Berlin) had forced the Danes to cede to them its duchies of > Schleswig and Holstein. > ////// > 4.. My paternal grandfather was also born in Berlin, several decades > before Dr Gliech. I envy his linguistic abilities, as my own knowledge > of German is sadly under-developed. > > Best wishes > > Peter Moll > Tortola, BVI > > O.Gliech <gliech1@zedat.fu-berlin.de> wrote 11/09/2009: > > Dear colleagues, > > I am the author of the cited website Domingino. If you have any > questions concerning the list of former Domingan plantation owners or > the scientific quality of the service, I am ready to answer them here. > >>From time to time I will add new material of general interest on my > website; many of these informations will be free of charge. Today I > made the official "list of parishes and municipalities of the former > colony of Saint Domingue", dressed by the French Royal Indemnity > Commission in 1829, available to the public. You may find it here: > http://www.domingino.de/stdomin/index_st_dom_eng.html. > > Best wishes, > > Dr. des. Oliver Gliech (Berlin/Germany) > >> On 30 Aug., 04:28, "augustae" <augus...@bellsouth.net> wrote: >> >>> Thanks, Peter !! That was so very kind and patient of you to do that. >>> I >>> appreciate the time I know you must have spent exploring it. >>> >>> Augusta >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Spring" <spr...@surfbvi.com> >>> To: <caribb...@rootsweb.com>; "Augusta Elmwood" <augus...@bellsouth.net> >>> Sent: Friday, 28 August, 2009 21:09 >>> Subject: [Carib] Historical Research and Information Service (on) Saint >>> Domingue/ Haiti (was: From the GHC Liste ...) >>> **After dissecting this interesting web site, I can describe its main >>> contents at present, but be aware that its pages may be removed for >>> revision and new ones added by its originator, Dr Oliver Gliech, at any >>> time, as he is only in the early stages of developing this "Historical >>> Research and Information Service (on) Saint Domingue/ Haiti". It is >>> based on the resources he consulted for his doctoral thesis on "The >>> Slave Uprising of Saint-Domingue and the French Revolution" (to be >>> published in 2010) and will be the first part of a Regional History of >>> Latin America. Multilingual versions of his web pages will be linked >>> through icons of the French, German, UK and U.S national flags.... >>> (more) > *************************** > The Caribbean List now has a Resources Page at Historic Antigua and > Barbuda http://www.rootsweb.com/~atgwgw/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CARIBBEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.97/2370 - Release Date: 09/14/09 11:36:00

We must thank Dr Gliech for introducing himself to our List and updating us on the development of his web site. He should feel free to correct any inaccuracies in my description of it. I have various reasons for my interest in his work, apart from wishing to underline its value in telling us so much about the history of half of Hispaniola, an island whose colonisation and struggles for independence are only occasionally mentioned on our list: 1. Income from migrants to the cane fields of the D.R. (Dominican Republic) was important to the economy of the BVI (British Virgin Islands) up to the 1960s, but the flow is now reversed, spear-headed by their Spanish-speaking descendants seeking to share in the BVI's modern prosperity, based on the tourism and financial services industries. The history of the two parts of Hispaniola (modern Haiti and the DR) are closely intertwined (still evident during a recent holiday in the DR), although most Haitians reaching the BVI now are illegal immigrants seeking to enter the USA through the USVI (United States Virgin Islands) 2. Germans settled throughout the Caribbean, but their attempts to establish their own colonies in the Virgin Islands archipelago in the late 17th century were thwarted by Britain and Denmark. After an abortive attempt to set up a plantation on St Thomas, slave traders from Brandenburg (capital: Berlin) tried to establish themselves on Peter Island, just out of sight from my home, but Colonel Codrington, Governor of the Leeward Islands, forced them out. 3. The successful transfer of the Danish West Indies to the United States in 1917 (during the First World War) was driven by the US's fears that they would fall into German hands, but they followed two earlier abortive agreements to do so. The first treaty, to transfer just St Thomas and St John to the USA, was signed in 1867, after a new government in Denmark had overcome opposition to the loss of more territory, as recent wars with Austria and the German state of Prussia (capital: Berlin) had forced the Danes to cede to them its duchies of Schleswig and Holstein. ////// 4.. My paternal grandfather was also born in Berlin, several decades before Dr Gliech. I envy his linguistic abilities, as my own knowledge of German is sadly under-developed. Best wishes Peter Moll Tortola, BVI O.Gliech <gliech1@zedat.fu-berlin.de> wrote 11/09/2009: Dear colleagues, I am the author of the cited website Domingino. If you have any questions concerning the list of former Domingan plantation owners or the scientific quality of the service, I am ready to answer them here. >From time to time I will add new material of general interest on my website; many of these informations will be free of charge. Today I made the official "list of parishes and municipalities of the former colony of Saint Domingue", dressed by the French Royal Indemnity Commission in 1829, available to the public. You may find it here: http://www.domingino.de/stdomin/index_st_dom_eng.html. Best wishes, Dr. des. Oliver Gliech (Berlin/Germany) > On 30 Aug., 04:28, "augustae" <augus...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > >> Thanks, Peter !! That was so very kind and patient of you to do that. I >> appreciate the time I know you must have spent exploring it. >> >> Augusta >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Spring" <spr...@surfbvi.com> >> To: <caribb...@rootsweb.com>; "Augusta Elmwood" <augus...@bellsouth.net> >> Sent: Friday, 28 August, 2009 21:09 >> Subject: [Carib] Historical Research and Information Service (on) Saint >> Domingue/ Haiti (was: From the GHC Liste ...) >> **After dissecting this interesting web site, I can describe its main >> contents at present, but be aware that its pages may be removed for >> revision and new ones added by its originator, Dr Oliver Gliech, at any >> time, as he is only in the early stages of developing this "Historical >> Research and Information Service (on) Saint Domingue/ Haiti". It is >> based on the resources he consulted for his doctoral thesis on "The >> Slave Uprising of Saint-Domingue and the French Revolution" (to be >> published in 2010) and will be the first part of a Regional History of >> Latin America. Multilingual versions of his web pages will be linked >> through icons of the French, German, UK and U.S national flags.... (more)

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1727 Letter of allegiance on accession of King George II of England. Signed at Francis Crequi Esq's house at Spanish Town, Virgin Gorda, British Virgin Islands. Known Markoe related in bold. From LDS Film 257776 (#1818355). Not proof read. Don't know if original order signified status but those who signed with mark increase the farther down the list the entry is (eighteen of the forty two) Copies of originals at http://sites.google.com/site/markoeoffshore/Home/1727-spanish-town-bvi-condolence-letter Orig. Surname Given Notes Column Surname present 1717? 31 ?inett James Riuett? 3rd ? 16 ?inney Richard 1st No 7 Beal Samuel Bech? 1st No 28 Blunder William His Marke "O" 2nd Yes 19 Coner Ja. His Mark 2nd Yes, "Conner" 12 Conningham James 1st Yes, "Cunyngham" 1 Crequi Francis Signed "Esq" on letter 1st Yes, "Creeke", Probably Lt. Gov. 5 Farrington John 1st Yes 23 Frett Thomas ? 2nd No? 33 Garrat Jacob 3rd Yes 6 Hodge John 1st No. Possibly husband of Anna Maria Markoe of Statia 17 Hornbe T? Thomas? 2nd Yes 20 Hughs Peter J. 2nd Yes, "Hughs" 37 Huse Robert His Marke 3rd Yes, "Hughs" 38 Huse John His marke 3rd Yes, "Hughs" 10 illegible Paper crease 1st ? 26 Illegible Illegible Looks like "Thnhccse" 2nd ? 36 Illegible His Marke Paper crease 3rd ? 42 Illegible Rich? His marke "X" 3rd ? 13 Jones John Janes? 1st No 41 Lafon Daniel de 3rd Yes, "lefong" 39 Lavill James His marke "Sa?ill"? 3rd No 24 Leier ?elen ? 2nd ? "Lear" 40 Lennon Edward His marke "X" 3rd No 3 Markoe Peter 1st Yes 8 McConnell Wm Correll? 1st No 9 Penn William 1st Yes 25 Reed Thomas His Marke "TR" 2nd No 27 Server ?anlong ? His Marke "X" might be "Lerver" 2nd ? 29 Server Peter His Marke "PS" 3rd No 4 Sills Step. Lills? 1st ? 30 Sprous Isack His Marke 3rd Yes 11 Sprouse Philip 1st Yes 22 Sprouse Isaak His Mark "IS" 2nd Yes 35 Sword Philip His Marke "PS" - "S" reversed 3rd Yes 2 Vanterpool John 1st Yes 21 Vanterpool Gorge His Mark 2nd Yes 18 Venzen James Junior His Mark 2nd No 32 Venzen Petter His Marke "PV" 3rd No 34 Venzen James His Marke "O" 3rd No 14 Warner Robert 1st No 15 Weeks Absalom 1st Yes

On 30 Aug., 04:28, "augustae" <augus...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > Thanks, Peter !!  That was so very kind and patient of you to do that.  I > appreciate the time I know you must have spent exploring it. > > Augusta > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Spring" <spr...@surfbvi.com> > To: <caribb...@rootsweb.com>; "Augusta Elmwood" <augus...@bellsouth.net> > Sent: Friday, 28 August, 2009 21:09 > Subject: [Carib] Historical Research and Information Service (on) Saint > Domingue/ Haiti (was: From the GHC Liste ...) > > > **After dissecting this interesting web site, I can describe its main > > contents at present, but be aware that its pages may be removed for > > revision and new ones added by its originator, Dr Oliver Gliech, at any > > time, .as he is only in the early stages of developing this "Historical > > Research and Information Service (on) Saint Domingue/ Haiti".  It is > > based on the resources he consulted for his doctoral thesis on "The > > Slave Uprising of Saint-Domingue and the French Revolution'' (to be > > published in 2010) and will be the first part of a Regional History of > > Latin America. Multilingual versions of his web pages will be linked > > through icons of the French, German, UK and U.S national flags (two- Zitierten Text ausblenden - > > - Zitierten Text anzeigen - Dear colleagues, I am the author of the cited website Domingino. If you have any questions concerning the list of former Domingan plantation owners or the scientific quality of the service, I am ready to answer them here. >From time to time I will add new material of general interest on my website; many of these informations will be free of charge. Today I made the official "list of parishes and municipalities of the former colony of Saint Domingue", dressed by the French Royal Indemnity Commission in 1829, available to the public. You may find it here: http://www.domingino.de/stdomin/index_st_dom_eng.html. Best wishes, Dr. des. Oliver Gliech (Berlin/Germany) gliech1@zedat.fu-berlin.de

Hi Augusta and Listers You got me going on names, surnames derivations of etc so I did a little pokin around and found a page which is ostensibly related to the islands of Jersey and Guernset but contains a very good essay on how surnames evolved, particularly French, Breton, the channel isles etc http://members.societe-jersiaise.org/whitsco/balleinenam.htm Also a Boutellier is actually much more complicated for translation as a modern butler....although parts of their job cross over. Originally the name derives from the craftsmen who made leather bottles And it evolved from there. In France I can tell you straight that a Boutellier is absolutely Not considered a butler but is the master of the wine cellar with considerable skill and prestige associated with that "metier" Of course a good butler in the English sense is truly a gentleman;s gentleman, skilled in the arts of civility, cognizant of all nuance, and was often earlier in time actually the manager of the entire Chateau... It goes on Cod -----Original Message----- From: caribbean-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:caribbean-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Augusta Elmwood Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 6:54 PM To: CARIBBEAN Roots Web Subject: [Carib] Butler, Boutellier What serendipity... I believe someone on the list was looking for more about Boutellier, and (Peter?) responded another form of the name was Butler. Quite co-incidentally, someone sent me this link: ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Great Officers of the Crown > http://www.heraldica.org/topics/france/officiers.htm which discusses the chief offices of the King of France, one of which was the Grand Bouteiller-échanson. It doesn't give any names, but shows the insignia of the office. This I forward for what it's worth. If nothing else, it may help us understand the layers and layers of bureaucrats and favorites and functionaries of the old system. I am still intrigued by the fact that, under the Ancien Regime all offices and positions, even those of not-so-great importance, were bought. Enjoy! Augusta *************************** The Caribbean List now has a Resources Page at Historic Antigua and Barbuda http://www.rootsweb.com/˜atgwgw/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARIBBEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.69/2328 - Release Date: 09/05/09 05:51:00 _____ I am using the Free version of SPAMfighter <http://www.spamfighter.com/len> . We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 1108 of my spam emails to date. The Professional version does not have this message. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.69/2328 - Release Date: 09/05/09 05:51:00

Augusta, are you sure it is very much different nowadays??? (bought positions I mean!) I would say though that in important households the butler was in fact an extremely important person, not just a comical Jeeves-type character: he would have been more of a household steward, with major financial responsibilities and probably with authority over all the household staff, a position of great trust and not a minor position at all. Even more so in a royal or ducal household. -----Original Message----- From: caribbean-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:caribbean-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Augusta Elmwood Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 6:54 PM To: CARIBBEAN Roots Web Subject: [Carib] Butler, Boutellier ... I am still intrigued by the fact that, under the Ancien Regime all offices and positions, even those of not-so-great importance, were bought. Enjoy! Augusta

What serendipity... I believe someone on the list was looking for more about Boutellier, and (Peter?) responded another form of the name was Butler. Quite co-incidentally, someone sent me this link: ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Great Officers of the Crown > http://www.heraldica.org/topics/france/officiers.htm which discusses the chief offices of the King of France, one of which was the Grand Bouteiller-échanson. It doesn't give any names, but shows the insignia of the office. This I forward for what it's worth. If nothing else, it may help us understand the layers and layers of bureaucrats and favorites and functionaries of the old system. I am still intrigued by the fact that, under the Ancien Regime all offices and positions, even those of not-so-great importance, were bought. Enjoy! Augusta

Dear Augustae, You are so correct. I tend to read in pictures, comes from all the Harlaquin Romances of my youth. However, looking at Danish/Dutch documents I can figure out some of the words, in the occupation column, but that one got me. Imagine, he was just a Butler! sounds better as a Boutellier, Just imagine that listed in a family tree. John Doe-Boutellier! Ann "Sharing the information." Researching the USVI, St.Eustatius, St. Barths, Barbados > From: augustae@bellsouth.net > To: caribbean@rootsweb.com > Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 17:54:20 -0500 > Subject: [Carib] Butler, Boutellier > > What serendipity... I believe someone on the list was looking for more about > Boutellier, and (Peter?) responded another form of the name was Butler. > > Quite co-incidentally, someone sent me this link: > > ----- Original Message ----- > Subject: Great Officers of the Crown > > http://www.heraldica.org/topics/france/officiers.htm > which discusses the chief offices of the King of France, one of which was > the Grand Bouteiller-échanson. It doesn't give any names, but shows the > insignia of the office. > > This I forward for what it's worth. If nothing else, it may help us > understand the layers and layers of bureaucrats and favorites and > functionaries of the old system. I am still intrigued by the fact that, > under the Ancien Regime all offices and positions, even those of > not-so-great importance, were bought. > > Enjoy! > > Augusta > > *************************** > The Caribbean List now has a Resources Page at Historic Antigua and Barbuda http://www.rootsweb.com/~atgwgw/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARIBBEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you for the defination and explination, I had tried to google it and went thru all the dictionaries in the house, even the "old" English, to no avail. I am going thru Danish Chancery records, so I will have some other words for you. Ann "Sharing the information." Researching the USVI, St.Eustatius, St. Barths, Barbados