Bye for a month. God be with you all. Hugs, Patty

Hello, Here is another great site which I just received from BJ. <A HREF="http://istg.rootsweb.com/v2/1700v2/goodspeed17161018.html">Click here: ISTG Vol 2 - Ship Good Speed</A> http://istg.rootsweb.com/v2/1700v2/goodspeed17161018.html Thanks John Lester

I am delighted that my co-researcher Sue Folawn has found this site and passed it on to me. I am particular interested in this geographical location as both sides of my husband's family came from this area. As Sue has covered one side on this site, I shall give what I have of my husband's paternal side of the family in hopes someone out there will have further information. Thank you Ruth Norton wnorton@ix.netcom.com 1 Thomas Norton 1828 - . +Sarah Blue 1830 - have nothing further on Sarah. Listed in son Wm Thomas' death certificate as from Richmond County .....2 Hiram Norton .....2 Nicholas J. Norton .....2 Anse Norton .....2 William Thomas Norton 1843 - 1925 was a Confederate Soldier. Known around Rowland as "Uncle Billy" ..........+Sarah Catherine Platt 1849 - 1917 .........3 Frances Helen Norton 1868 - 1941 .............+Ebenezer Grooms 1860 - 1920 .............4 Aggie Jane Grooms 1893 - 1906 ..........3 William Norton 1873 - ..........3 Leah Norton 1875 - ..........3 Victoria Norton 1875 - ..........3 John Thomas Norton 1878 - 1930 veterinarian in Rowland, NC .............+Nancy Ophelia Thompson 1888 - 1923 <-------------------------------------------------see continuing chart below for this line .............4 1 still born .............4 2 still born .............4 William Edmond Norton Sr 1915 - 1990 MY FATHER IN LAW ................+Miriam Doris Kinard 1923 - 1960 .............4 Omar Dudley Norton 1918 - 1985 .............4 Sarah Naomi Norton 1921 - 1924 .......*2nd Wife of John Thomas Norton: ............ +Mary Francis Odom 1893 - ..............4 Kathryn Frances Norton 1927 - ..............4 Jessie Lee Norton 1929 - .........3 George Norton 1887 - 1894 1 Theofilius Thompson 1720 - Sea captain lost at sea out of Norfolk VA. Had located his family in NC before sailing . +Mrs. Theofilius 1724 - .....2 Trimigan Thompson 1745/46 - 1817 .........+Sarah Bridgers 1755 - .........3 John Thompson 1777 - 1874 ...........+Elizabeth Gettre Kitchen 1779 - .............4 William Berry Thompson ................+Patience Thompson ............ 4 Harriett Thompson .................+Joshua Hammond .................2nd Husband of Harriett Thompson: .................+Nathan Hammond ............ 4 Asenith Thompson ............ 4 Helen Thompson ............ 4 Mary Thompson ............ 4 Charlotte Thompson ............ 4 Sarah Jane Thompson .............4 Hugh Thompson 1803 - 1871 ..................+Lucy Thompson 1812 - 1887 ..........3 Trimigan Thompson 1782 - 1850 ................+Mary Kitchen 1790 - ..........3 Theofilus Thompson 1794 - .............+Nancy Williams ..........3 Samuel Thompson 1797 - 1881 ..............+Nancy McLean 1805 - ..............4 John Tremigan Thompson 1832 - ..................+Elizabeth Martin ..............4 William Berry Thompson 1834 - ..............4 Archibald Duncan Thompson 1835 - 1906 ..............4 James Douglas Thompson 1838 - 1875 ...................+Mary Ann Bracey ..............4 Henry Pinckney Thompson 1840 - 1909 ..................+Annie Britt 1858 - 1906 ..............4 Edmond McQueen(Duncan) Thompson 1841 - 1915 ...................+Jeanette Virginia Ivey 1851 - 1940 *******************NANCY OPHELIA'S PARENTS ..............4 Sarah A. M. Thompson 1847 - ........3 Hezekiah Thompson 1799 - ............ +Ms Peterkin .........3 Sampson Bridgers Thompson 1809 - ............ +? Newton Thompson .....*2nd Wife of Trimigan Thompson: ........+Clarissa Rodgers - 1874 .... 2 Henry Thompson 1753 - .... 2 Theofilus Thompson 1760 - .... 2 George Thompson 1764 - .... 2 Lemuel Thompson 1769 - .....2 John Thompson 1774 -

Rick, This Cumberland County site may be be helpful in deciding 'which Hector McNeill' is your ancestor http://www.rootsweb.com/~nccumber/aker1.htm The next site has lots of Hector McNeill, 'of the Argyle Colony' information http://www.rootsweb.com/~nccumber/aker5.htm Good luck in your search, Myrtle Bridges

Sorry for the multiple postings...thought I would take advantage of the recent flurry of messages about North Carolina McNEILLs. In 1777, Joseph GIST presented a petition against the executors of Neill McNEILL for his wife's part in her father's estate [Cumberland Co, NC Court Records, Bk. D, p. 70]. Mrs. Dorsey [who wrote 'Christopher GIST of Maryland and Some of His Descendants'] identified Joseph GIST's wife as either Ann or Margaret McNEILL, daughter of Neill McNEILL. [Don't know how she did that.] on p. 126 of Cumberland Co NC Will Abstracts I found: "McNEILL, Neill - ( ? ) / May 1764 [I assume these dates mean that the date written is unknown, and May 1764 is the date the will was recorded?] Daughters - Catherin, MARGARET, Flora, Mary and ANN. Sons - ROGER McNeill, HENRY and Harry McNeill. 300 acres bought of Hugh Brown Exec. Torquell McNeill, Archd. McNeill, John and Malcolm McNeill. Wits. Walter Gibson, Esq., Ferquard Campbell, Esq." And from "Old Bluff Presbyterian Church History: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nccumber/bluffcreek.htm "Neill McNEILL (and his wife Catharine) by deed of February 18, 1761, conveyed to Hector McNeill and Alexander McAlister, members of the original Session and both residing on the east side of the Cape Fear River, "one acre of land whereon is built and erected a Meeting House as the same now stands" on the west side of the Cape Fear River near Tranthams Creek close to the home of ROGER McNEILL, son of Neill McNeill. Called Roger's Meeting House, this building was probably a small log structure built about 1759 and the first church building in the Upper Cape Fear Valley." Notice that both the will and the Church History mention a ROGER McNEILL, son of Neill McNEILL. I haven't found any other Rogers. [Plenty of Neills tho...] Also interesting is that Joseph GISTs brother Christopher Gist [who m. Lucy (__?__)], had a daughter Mary GIST who married HENRY McNEILL. [Could be the Henry mentioned above?] Does anyone else know this McNEILL family? This is NOT 'Black' Neill McNeill who married Grisella Campbell... Donna Gist Moore Liberty County, Georgia Howard Bridges wrote: > > Hello list, > Yesterday Howard & I also found an ancient McNEILL cemetery over in Scotland > County, NC. We took photographs of this burial ground, which is long since > abandoned and sad among the pines and briars. I will post the photographs to > my website as soon as I can get them developed. I was delighted to find this > place, because all of the surnames there were familiar to me; I felt like I > had 'discovered it' myself. The cemetery is located on private property and > one needs permission to visit. The property owners operate a large turkey > farm and require certain precautions for preventing the spread of diseases > amoung their turkeys. Will give location at a later post. > > An elaborate wire fence once guarded this cemetery; it's iron corner posts > now struggle to support the remains. The oldest visible grave marker reads > 'Hector McNEILL Died March 10, 1812 Aged 86 years'. Mary (1779-1856), > consort of Angus McLEAN, daughter of John & Mary McEACHIN, rests there, > along with Angus McNeill, a native of North Knapdale Argylshire Scotland. He > died September 13th, 1835 at the age of 73 years. James & Effie McEachin > are there too, with at least three of their children, James Alexander, > Harriet Atwood, & Mary. Then, there is [Maj.?]John McNeill, b. August 23, > 1780 d. August 2nd 1829, and Elizabeth BUCHANAN Relict of Maj. John McNeill, > born Nov. 22nd 1808 died April 11th, 1885. Her grave marker reveals a > marriage on Dec 24, 1830. Another marker reads: Sacred to the memory of > Mary McEachin Native of Scotland Departed this life June 26, 1837 in the > 87th year of her age. A once tall monument to Flora 'Cattie' wife of A.A. > McNeill b. Aug 23, 1845 and died June 17, 1905, has been pushed over and > lies partially buried in the leaves, briars and dirt. 'Blessed are the pure > in heart for they shall see God' is barely visible. Nearby sleeps George > Winston, son of A.A. & Flora McNeill, b. Dec. 1st, 1870, d. March 23, 1900 > in Jacksonville, Florida 'He died as he lived A Christian'. The last to be > buried here was Jack McNeill b July 19, 1880 d Jan. 6, 1908, and Kate S. > McNeill b. March 18, 1876, d Nov. 6, 1907. One lone hand carved wooden > marker leans against a tree and waits to disappear. There are probably three > or four illegible markers. One large granite marker lies face down hiding > it's messaage from all who would see. However, it's foot marker reads: > G.McKE. > > If anyone has further information about these early NC pioneers, please > consider sharing your information with me and other reseachers. I would like > to post it on one of my websites. Of course I will notify the list when and > where to find it. Thank-you, Myrtle Bridges, NCGenWeb coordinator for Hoke > & Cumberland Counties.

Does anyone have info on John Yelverton1680-1750. Married abt1703 to Elizabeth Blount. I am looking for a link before settling in NC. thanks pey81455@aol.com

Further information - Hector McNeill had a farm on the west side of Drowning Creek. Hector McNeill and John McEachin built Gilchrist's Bridge over Drowning Creek Swamp (also known as Robeson's Ferry Bridge). The two men were friends & had mutual grandchildren. JDM PS I found this message in my archives, from my cousin Hank Burnham. It has a few more grave inscriptions: Date: Sun, 27 Jun 99 15:35:14 Pacific Daylight Time From: hank c burnham <h.burnham@worldnet.att.net> INSCRIPTIONS FROM GRAVESTONES IN GRAVEYARD, NEAR MAJOR JACK MCNEILL"S OLD PLACE, SCOTLAND COUNTY, NORTH CAROLINA (Note: I think this graveyard is now in Hoke County, North Carolina, I have not yet found it. HCB) 1- In memory of Mary, consort of Angus McLean, and daughter of John and Mary McEachin. Born January 18, 1779. Died July 6th 1866. 2- Sacred to the memory of Mary McEachin, Sr., a native of Scotland, who departed this life June 26th 1837 in the 87th year of her age. 3- In memory of John McEachin, who was born February 24, 1741, died October 8, 1815. 4- Angus McNeill, a native of Arledge, North Knapdale, Argyllshire, Scotland, died September 13, 1835, age 73 years. 5- Margaret McNeill died January 15th, 1809, 33 years. 6- Hector McNeill, died March 10th 1812, aged 86 years. 7- In memory of James Alexander, son of J. and E. McEachin, who died August 21st 1828, aged 13 months and three days. 8- Sacred to the memory of Effie, consort of James McEachin, and daughter of John Purcell, who departed this life, March 23rd, 1843, aged 41 years. 9- Sacred to the memory of James McEachin, who departed this life January 3rd, 1868, aged 77 years and 10 months. 10- Harrott Atwood, daughter of James and Effie McEachin, born July 18th 1838, died September 8th 1872. 11- Mary, daughter of James and Effie McEachin, born November 12th 1821 and died June 21st 1870.

To: <bigred@jps.net> > > >GENEALOGIST'S DISEASE > > > >Warning: Genealogy Pox (Very contagious to adults) > > > >Symptoms: Continual complaint as to need for names, dates, and places. > >Patient has a > >blank expression, sometimes deaf to spouse and children. Has no taste for > >work of any > >kind, except feverishly looking through records at libraries and > >courthouses. Has > >compulsion to write letters. Swears at mailman when he doesn't leave mail. > >Frequents > >strange places such as cemeteries, ruins, and remote desolate country > >areas. Has > >strange, faraway look in eyes. > > > >NO KNOWN CURE > > > >Treatment: Medication is useless. Disease is not fatal, but gets > >progressively worse. > >Patient should attend genealogy workshops, subscribe to genealogical > >magazines and be > >given a quiet corner in the house where he or she can be alone. > > > >Remarks: The unusual nature of this disease is the sicker the patient > >gets, the more > >he or she enjoys it! > > > >Karen > >sumrg@jps.net > >http://members.xoom.com/KGDYER/

Jumping around from one site to another, I not only read the posting by the Bridgers re: the old cemetery with McNeill markers, but just after that read the posting by Lawrence Geddie re: the Old Bluff Presbyterian Church at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nccumber/bluffcreek.htm. Hector McNeill is mentioned in both places, and I wondered if anyone else noticed that. Thought some of you with McNeill ancestry might want to recheck these two sights. If you missed the Bridges posting, maybe you can get him to repost it. hbridges@worldnet.att.net . Or ask me, and I'll forward it to you. Just be precise about what you want. Several McNeils listed. Joanne H. New Bern,NC

Hello, Here is a site which may be help to you in your search. <A HREF="http://www.users.on.net/proformat/sctnames.html">Click here: On-line Scottish Names Research Directory</A> Thanks John Lester

Myrtle Bridges wrote: >To: <CAPE-FEAR-SCOTS-L@rootsweb.com> >Another marker reads: Sacred to the memory of > Mary McEachin Native of Scotland Departed this life June 26, 1837 in the >> 87th year of her age. John & Mary McEachin were my GGGG-grandparents. Mary was a Currie, and I am guessing she and John were both born in Kintyre, Argyllshire (I haven't found any records, just going on family stories). I've yet to determine whether they were married in Scotland or NC, I'm guessing it was shortly after they immigrated about 1765. They eventually settled in Robeson Co., on the east side of Drowning Creek which I believe in today in Hoke Co. > If anyone has further information about these early NC pioneers, please > consider sharing your information with me and other reseachers. I would >like to post it on one of my websites. Of course I will notify the list when >and where to find it. I have several family histories on my website at http://www.synthcom.com/~jdm/genealogy/genealogy.htm . See "The McEachins and McNeills of North Carolina" for more information on how these two families were intermarried. I also have a GEDCOM which is searchable, and I'd love to hear from any relatives. Could I get directions to the graveyard and the name of the owners? A cousin of mine was unable to find it last time he went looking for it. Thanks Jeffrey PS: I'm new to the list. Rex McLaurin was kind enough to forward me Myrtle's message, which alerted me to the list's existence.

Hello, Here is a site of interest which I received from BJ. <A HREF="http://www.oz.net/~markhow/scotsros.htm">Click here: Scottish Record Offices and Archives on the Web</A> Thanks John Lester

Hello list, Yesterday Howard & I also found an ancient McNEILL cemetery over in Scotland County, NC. We took photographs of this burial ground, which is long since abandoned and sad among the pines and briars. I will post the photographs to my website as soon as I can get them developed. I was delighted to find this place, because all of the surnames there were familiar to me; I felt like I had 'discovered it' myself. The cemetery is located on private property and one needs permission to visit. The property owners operate a large turkey farm and require certain precautions for preventing the spread of diseases amoung their turkeys. Will give location at a later post. An elaborate wire fence once guarded this cemetery; it's iron corner posts now struggle to support the remains. The oldest visible grave marker reads 'Hector McNEILL Died March 10, 1812 Aged 86 years'. Mary (1779-1856), consort of Angus McLEAN, daughter of John & Mary McEACHIN, rests there, along with Angus McNeill, a native of North Knapdale Argylshire Scotland. He died September 13th, 1835 at the age of 73 years. James & Effie McEachin are there too, with at least three of their children, James Alexander, Harriet Atwood, & Mary. Then, there is [Maj.?]John McNeill, b. August 23, 1780 d. August 2nd 1829, and Elizabeth BUCHANAN Relict of Maj. John McNeill, born Nov. 22nd 1808 died April 11th, 1885. Her grave marker reveals a marriage on Dec 24, 1830. Another marker reads: Sacred to the memory of Mary McEachin Native of Scotland Departed this life June 26, 1837 in the 87th year of her age. A once tall monument to Flora 'Cattie' wife of A.A. McNeill b. Aug 23, 1845 and died June 17, 1905, has been pushed over and lies partially buried in the leaves, briars and dirt. 'Blessed are the pure in heart for they shall see God' is barely visible. Nearby sleeps George Winston, son of A.A. & Flora McNeill, b. Dec. 1st, 1870, d. March 23, 1900 in Jacksonville, Florida 'He died as he lived A Christian'. The last to be buried here was Jack McNeill b July 19, 1880 d Jan. 6, 1908, and Kate S. McNeill b. March 18, 1876, d Nov. 6, 1907. One lone hand carved wooden marker leans against a tree and waits to disappear. There are probably three or four illegible markers. One large granite marker lies face down hiding it's messaage from all who would see. However, it's foot marker reads: G.McKE. If anyone has further information about these early NC pioneers, please consider sharing your information with me and other reseachers. I would like to post it on one of my websites. Of course I will notify the list when and where to find it. Thank-you, Myrtle Bridges, NCGenWeb coordinator for Hoke & Cumberland Counties.

Sorry folks, I just tried the website and they no long permit "FREE SEARCES". The correct address is 204.170.102.11/ Believe these PA Gazette Files are probably available elsewhere, but I'm not aware of location.

Subject: Re: Genealogy Question...help please > Carol, I see you are still looking: This is what I mentioned earlier > but just found: The site of information: > http://204.170.102.11/scripts/webhits.exe/accessible/text/gaz2/ > the information is from the Pennsylvania Gazette, May 15, 1760, Item > #24738, > "New York, May 12. Extract of a Letter from Half Moon, dated April > 18." > > I will skip most of this letter and suggest you go to the site and > check it for any details pertaining to your ancestor.. This ship left > New York, and the whole passage was in trouble from start to finish. > He tells of their difficulties. "At three in the afternoon, we made > the Island of LUNDY, with the Wind at N.W. at six the same day we met > with a violent gale at North, attended with hail and rain, which > unfortunately forced us into Barnstable Bay; and, before we discovered > the shore, we struck the Northamburrow Sands, in the County of Devon, > and the sea run so prodigious high, and no prospect of saving the > vessel, we endeavored to get out our boats, which we at length > effected with great difficulty, when 13 of the people immediately got > into the Long boat and put off, but they were soon overset, and all > perished but one. Before I was relieved, and the three that were with > me, her bottom was gone sot that out of 230 Hogsheads of Sugar, I > believe we have saved no more than 5. MATTHEW CARTER, THOMAS CRAIG, > LEWIS WOOLCOCK, JOHN CATNESS, TIMOTHY ROACH, HUGH AND HENRY DUFF, were > drowned. They were taken up and buried in Hotham Parish Church Yard. > ROBERT WELSH, JAMES FORBES, JOHN CLARK, WILLIAM FISHER AND WILLIAM > CRONICK, were drowned also, but not found. JOHN MADOCK, ROBERT > GREEN, ---SWINEY, WITH ALEXANDER WESTMAN were saved." > > Believe this occurred during the French and Indian War, >

There are very few extant passenger lists for the 1700's. Most of the ones that have survived have been published, first in book form and then, more recently, on the Web. I've never verified the ones on the Web, except for the Jupiter of Lorne, from Ft. William, Scotland to Wilmington, NC in 1774. It was accurate. The British government did not require records to be kept for immigrants, until they realized the magnitude of the emigration occurring among the Scots, sometime around 1774 - 1775. That is why most of the passenger lists you'll come across are from that time period. Of course, all immigration was suspended from 1776-1784 during the War. Most of the early passenger lists of the century actually come from contemporary newspapers / magazines who often published lists of emigrants leaving for the Americas. A alternate resource are the many books David Dobson, noted Scottish genealogy author, has published. They are collections of references to Scots in America from newspapers and government records (wills, petitions, land grants, chancery rolls, etc). While extensive, I have to say I've never found my immigrant Carmichaels among them. These books can usually be found in any fair-sized library, and are also available from the Genealogical Publishing Co. (www.genealogybookshop.com). Check the Scottish section for other sources. Another interesting source is Filby's Passenger Lists, also available at most large libraries and now for sale on CD. But be warned that Filby's lists any references to immigrants, including secondary sources. I've found references in it to my Carmichaels from published family histories, where the author was relying on family oral history and nothing more. So be sure to check the sources indicated by Filby. As to where, yes there were several areas that were popular with the Scots who came. They liked to settle in communities with other Scots. Indeed, many interconnected families often immigrated together. The major areas to settle were in the Cape Fear Valley of the Carolinas (they came in at Wilmington), Nova Scotia, New York, and Pennsylvania, with some coming into the Tidewater area of Virginia and into Charleston, SC. As to where they came from, they were mostly Highlanders, fleeing the oppression that was rampant in the Highlands after the '45, and those who felt the economic conditions in the Scottish highlands were such that they could no longer support their families. Most of these earlier immigrants were actually not the poorest class, but rather the tacksmen or middle class in the former clan system. Regarding the ship wreck, I'm less familiar with the details of what might be available, but I would think early newspapers would be a likely source. Survival and availability vary with each area of the country and each newspaper. I know there is an organization called ESCN that is abstracting genealogy references to Early South Carolina Newspapers and publishing them. They have a search service & are on the web. Good luck with your search. ==Debbie== Debra J. Kerner Clan Carmichael USA Genealogist DKerner@csi.com Friday, September 03, 1999 7:02 PM -----Original Message----- From: Carole Conrad [mailto:casuco@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 1999 3:07 PM To: CAPE-FEAR-SCOTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Genealogy Question...help please Thank you to all of you who are constantly giving me and so many other budding genealogists and historians so much information!! I have a question to help me begin my new research project: The rumor in my family is that a grandparent survived a Ship wreck off the coast of Virginia or north or south Carolina in the 1700s. The person was Scottish (but do not from where) and immigrating here but may have been sailing from England. No one else survived...maybe one other person. >From 1700-1800: 1. did these ships have passenger lists? 2. where are they kept? only as records/documents or as books? 3. where can I best see them: in person, in book form, microfiched or on the internet? 4. how reliable are the records/ship transcriptions on the net? 5. were there very established ports of call for these three states at that time? can i limit my search to a few ports? did scottish immigrants only come into one or two ports? 6. were there very few recognized ship lines so i can search each company? 7. would such a wreck be in the newspapers of those days and should i check each cities major papers? Thanks for your help and advice. Carole in NYC __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ______________________________

Hello everyone, Don't forget the Flora Macdonald Highland Games which will be held in Red Springs, North Carolina on October 1, 2, and 3, 1999. Your attendance will promote our Scottish Heritage and enhance your own. <A HREF="http://www.capefearscots.com/page3.html">Click here: Cape Fear Scots Events and Directions</A> http://www.capefearscots.com/page3.html Thanks John Lester

Hello, Here is another great additional piece of information which I received from BJ. Take a look as it is quite interesting. <A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Acres/4730/george/lists.html">Click here: lists.html at www.geocities.com</A> http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Acres/4730/george/lists.html Thanks John Lester

Hello, Here is a site that I just received from BJ. And it is excellent. Take a look. <A HREF="http://geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/6598/BJsLinks.htm">Click here: BJsLinks.htm at geocities.com</A> http://geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/6598/BJsLinks.htm Thanks John Lester

Hello, This site may be of some help to you. <A HREF="http://www.familysearch.org/Search/searchigi.asp?region=3">Click here: Custom Search IGI Page</A> http://www.familysearch.org/Search/searchigi.asp?region=3 Thanks John Lester