Message forwarded by Deputy List Owner - please do not reply to me. Regards, Carol, (Tree Tops) FAMILY TREE & WE’LL MEET AGAIN - Free Query Service: SKY NEWS British TV Text Pages 267 & 268, CHANNEL 5 British TV Text Pages 488 & 489 http://freespace.virgin.net/tree.tops/ http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections -----Original Message----- From: DonDonlews@aol.com <DonDonlews@aol.com> To: canal-people-d-request@rootsweb.com <canal-people-d-request@rootsweb.com> Date: 27 November, 2001 20:52 Subject: FAMLY TREE >I am looking for information on a canal family called Harrison my mothers >family. >I have just started to research my mothers family, any help, would be of help. > >Don Andrews > >

Hello list Can anyone tell me if there is a register of boatmen? I am particularly interested in the Leeds & Liverpool canal and the surnames BLUNDELL and ROTHWELL. If anyone has any information about any of these I would be very grateful. Barbara Brick

Hi Folks, AT LAST!! I've found some more more boatmen. I have been looking on & off for days. Here they are. Boats Nr.... Coal & Sand Trade, Eckington,Derby Joseph CLRFTON/U/46/Master Boatman (Misterton,Nottingham) with Joseph KIDGER/U/34/Boat Man (Codnor Park,Derby) at High Crofts Yard,Steveley,Derby George ILLINGWORTH/M/64/Formerly Boatman (Sutton On Trent,Nottingham) with wife & Brother. at Sycamore Cpttage,(Hollingwood) Staveley,Derby James NEWTON/25/Boatman (Barge) (Bawtry,York) with Charles Tissington & family at Staveley Workbasin Boat £,Staveley,Derby Thomas SMITH/M/37/Boatman (Barge) with wife & son ? at Scarthennick Shop,Matlock,Derby, Gemaliel ALLEN/M/28/BOatman (Bargeman) (Pye Bridge,Derby) with wife & 2 ch at Scarthennick Boat Inn,Matlock,Derby William ALLEN/M/59/Boatman & Publican (Cromford,Derby) with wife & 6 ch incl---- Samuel ALLEN/U/21/BOatman ,son (Heage,Derby) and Frank ALLEN/14/Boatman (Matlock,Derby0 at No.20 Cromford Hill,Cromford,Derby William BRITLAND/U/51/Ferryman (Bargeman) (Cromfird,Derby) with brother & family at 1.North St,Cromford,Derby Josh.KIRK/W/78/Retired Boatman (Cromford,Derby) with Grd,children & lodger "Union Workhouse" Crossings,Chapel En Le Frith,Derby Enoch FROST/U/68/Canal Boatman, Inmate (Biddulph,Staffs) William BULLOCK/U/70/Canal Boatman,Inmate (Alton,Staffs) at Crist Nob,Chapel En Le Frith,Derby, Daniel.F.BARNES/U/28/BOatman (Canal) (Chapel Th.Derby) with parents & family at Crist Nob,Chapel En Le Frith,Derby Joseph BARNES/m/32/Boatman ( Chapel Th,Derby) with wife & dau at Crist Nob,Chapel En Le Frith,Derby James BARNES/M/45/Boatman (Chapel Th, Derby) with wife & 4 ch at Crist Nob,Chapel En Le FRith,Derby Alfred HALL/U/25/Boatman (Chapel Th,Derby) Lodger with John Sutton & Family at Gisborne Row,Chapel En Le Frith,Derby Saml. HILL/M/34/Boatman (Chapel Th,Derby) with wife , 3 ch & 2 lodgers at Tramway Side,Chapel En Le Frith,Derby James HALL/M/32/Boatman & Farmer/M/32/(Chapel Th,Derby) with wife & 3 Bugsworth Canal Boat,Chapel En Le Frith,Derby Joseph MC KAY/U/25/Mate on Canal Boat (Hull,York) alone Bugsworth Canal Boat,Chapel En Le Frith,Derby Joseph EDGE/U/16/Mate on Canal Boat (Macclesfield,Cheshire) alone Bugsworth Canal Boat,Chapel En Le Frith,Derby CHas.EDGE/15/Mate on Canal Boat (Macclesfield,Cheshire) alone Bugsworth Canal Boat (Chapel En Le Frith, Derby Robt.MC LAIN/11/ Mate on Canal Boat (Glasgow,Scotland) alone Bugsworth Canal Boat,Chapel En Le Frith,Derby John HODGKINSON/U/68/Mate on Canal Boat (Stockport,Cheshire) alone Bugsworth Canal Boat, Chapel En Le Frith,Derby Edward BARNES/W55/Mate on Canal Boat (Manchester,Lancs) alone Bugsworth Canal Boat,Chapel En Le Frith,Derby. Chas.Saml.NEEDHAM/U/24/Mate on Canal Boat (Moseley,Cheshire) alone Bugsworth Canal Boat,,Chapel En Le Frith,Derby Jas.ELLIS/U/50/Mate on Canal Boat (Bugsworth,Derby) alone Bugsworth Canal Boat,Chapel En Le Frith,Derby John MORTEN/U/55/Mat on Canal Boat( Marple,Cheshire) alone at Brierley Green,Chinley Bugsworth & Brownside,Derby William HUGHES/M/36/BOat Man (Lancashire) with wife & 5 ch. incl--- Joseph HUGHES/U/15/Boat Man, son (Lancashire) adn John HUGHES/13/Boat Man, son (Lancashire) at Brierley Green,Chinley Bugsworth & Brownside,Derby Joseph LONGSON/M/34/Boat Man (Bugsworth,Derby) with wife & 5 ch at Knowl Top,Chinley Bugsworth & Brownside,Derby William GODDARD/M/38/Boat Man (Bugsworth,Derby ) with wife & 5 ch at More Gate,Chinley Bugsworth & Brownside,Derby Joshue PRESTWICK/M/49/Boat Man (blank) with wife 5 ch. incl---- John.W.PRESTWICK/U/25/Boat Man, son (Bugsworth,Derby) and Joseph PRESTWICK/U/18/Boat Man,son (Bugsworth,Derby_) at Cannel (sic) Bank Cottages,Chinley Bugsworth & Brownside,Derby William WALTON/M/51/Boat Labourer ( Chapel En Le Frith,Derby) with wife son,grd.son & dau, son/in/law & their son----incl--- John.W.WALTON/15/Boat Labourer, son (Chapel En Le Frith,Derby) and John.E.HEATH/M/28/Boat Labourer, son/in/law (Manchester,Lancs_ at Cannel Bank Cottages,Chinley Bugsworth & Brownside,Derby Joseph LONGSON/M/37/Boat Man (Chinley,Derby) with wife & 2 sons at Cannal Office,Chinley Bugsworth & Brownside,Derby John WORTH/M/46/Cannal Wharfinger (Haughton,Lancashire) with wife & 3 ch That's all until I find some more. Regards Thelma

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Thelma I got Badtrans last week. I got my computer support chap in and got up to date anti-virus protection installed and got it cleaned off. But it wasn't altogether easy to clean off. It also gave me a Trojan which meant I had to change the dial up password and PIN number for my bank Ros -----Original Message----- From: ThlmMry@aol.com [mailto:ThlmMry@aol.com] Sent: 26 November 2001 14:20 To: CANAL-PEOPLE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [CANAL-PEOPLE] Re: CANAL-PEOPLE-D Digest V01 #212 In a message dated 26/11/01 14:04:26 GMT Standard Time, CANAL-PEOPLE-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > list.owner@virgin.net Dear Julie. I'm afraid I did download the meassage ME-NUDE because it was from someone I knew well, and it contained a family name in the message. What do I do now ? The person e-mailed to say don't download as she thought she had a virus, but it was too late.! Sorry the 1881 Boatmen have been lacking lately but have had a houseful of visitors and have had to go to Northamptonm hospital today for dental surgery today.Not very pleasant, though am felling better than I expected to. Will take uf thr search again as soon as I am over it. Regards Thelma ==== CANAL-PEOPLE Mailing List ==== Have you used Tree Tops? The Free FAMILY TREE & WE'LL MEET AGAIN SERVICE http://freespace.virgin.net/tree.tops ============================== Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 Source for Family History Online. Go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702&sourceid=1237

Hi List, Here are some census entries from Smethwick Archives. 1871 Oldbury & 1871 Tipton. I have been as accurate with the tracscription as possible, but some of it was difficult to read. Hope you find someone! Pauline. 1871 Oldbury Canal Boat, Dolphin Mark CAPEL head 22 Boatman City of Oxford Agnes CAPEL wife 25 wife of Boatman Cheltenham, Glos Canal Boat, Hatton John TILSLEY head 36 Boatman Weston Upon Trent, Staffs Canal Boat, Thomas James WHEELER head 24 Boatman Cirencester, Glos Jemima WHEELER wife 22 wife of Boatman Comb Hill, Glos Rosanna WHEELER daughter 3 Gloucester James WHEELER son 7m Gloucester Issac TONKS assistant 8 Boat Lad Gloucester Canal Boat, John Robert MORGAN head 46 Boatman Montgomery Mary MORGAN wife 50 Boatmans wife Oldbury, Worcs John HADLEY assistant 18 Boatman Stourbridge, Worcs Canal Boat, Henry Thomas WIMBUSH head 19 Boatman Oldbury, Worcs Ann WIMBUSH wife 20 Boatmans wife Rowley, Staffs Thomas WIMBUSH son 3m Oldbury,Worcs Priscilla DYOON 8 West Bromwich Canal Boat, Enterprise Samuel WIMBUSH head 27 Boatman Oldbury, Worcs Sarah WIMBUSH wife 27 Boatmans wife Oldbury, Worcs William WIMBUSH son 3 Oldbury, Worcs Mary WIMBUSH daughter 1 Oldbury, Worcs Canal Boat, Tilley George ALFORD head 26 Boatman Aston Ingram, Herefordshire Lidia STEEL 65 Assistant Gloucester Emily STEEL 20 Assistant Gloucester Canal Boat, Prince Of Wales Samuel WIMBUSH head 55 Boatman Berkhampsted, Herts Hannah WIMBUSH wife 52 Boatmans wife Oldbury, Worcs John WIMBUSH son 11 Boat Lad Oldbury, Worcs Canal Boat, Black Eagle Thomas SALT head 42 Boatman St Martins, Worcester Ann SALT wife 36 Boatmans wife St Peters, Worcester Sarah SALT daughter 12 St Peters, Worcester Elizabeth SALT daughter 10 St Peters, Worcester Rosannah SALT daughter 8 St Peters, Worcester Alice SALT daughter 4 St Peters, Worcester Thos SALT son 1y 3m St Peters, Worcester Canal Boat, (no name) John CLARKE head 44 Boatman Warwicks Sarah CLARKE wife 40 Boatmans wife Warwicks, Stratford on Avon Elizabeth CAMIAN assistant 16 Great Bridge Staffs Canal Boat, Unity William COMPTON head 29 Boatman Coventry Martha COMPTON wife 27 Boatmans wife Salop Sophia COMPTON daughter 2 Tunstall, Staffs Edward COMPTON son 2m Tunstall, Staffs Canal Boat, Newport Thomas GRANGER head 55 Boatman Gloucester, Tewkesbury Esther GRANGER wife 50 Boatmans wife Gloucester, Tewkesbury Thomas GRANGER son 16 Boatman Gloucester, Tewkesbury John GRANGER son 10 Gloucester, Tewkesbury Canal Boat, Raywell William GROVES head 32 Boatman Gloucester William WATTS servant 22 Boatmans Ass Gloucester Frederick HALL servant 13 Boatmans Ass Gloucester Canal Boat, Swansey John ALLEN head 41 boatman Gloucester, Bedworth Elizabeth ALLEN wife 40 Boatmans wife Tipton, Staffs Mary Ann ALLEN daughter 20 Assistant Tipton, Staffs William ALLEN son 14 West Bromwich, Staffs Charlotte ALLEN daughter 2 West Bromwich, Staffs Sarah Jane ALLEN daughter 1m Gloucester Betsy ALLEN daughter 5 West Bromwich, Staffs Canal Boat, Providence George JONES head 21 Boatman Gloucester Charles JONES servant 14 Boatmans ASS Gloucester 1871 Tipton Canal Boat, Elizabeth Thomas FOSTER master 54 Master Bargeman Staffs, Tipton Hannah FOSTER wife 53 Staffs, Tipton Mary Ann BURKE 13 Staffs, Tipton Canal Boat, No 17 Barge Joseph RUISON master 18 master Bargeman Staffs, Rowley Joseph GREEN mate 20 Mate Warwick, Stratford Canal Boat, Barge no No. Joseph SADLER master 60 Master Stafford, Wombourn Sarah SADLER wife 63 Stafford, Wordsley Canal Boat, Mary Ann William STUBBS master 41 Barge Master Stafford Burton on Trent Esther STUBBS wife 34 Stafford, Stafford, Wombourn William STUBBS son 15 Horse Driver Stafford, Burton On Trent Mary Ann STUBBS daughter 12 Preston Samuel STUBBS son 12 Preston Canal Boat, Nancy Benjamin STEVENS master 45 Barge Master Worcester, Oldbury Susann STEVENS wife 45 Worcester, Oldbury Nancy STEVENS 20 Assistant Worcester, Oldbury Emma FRANK 10 Worcester Oldbury Canal Boat, Margaret John WHITEHOUSE 16 Barge master Worcester Oldbury Noah WHITEHOUSE 18 Mate Herefordshire, Hereford Canal Boat, Selina Jacob WHITEHOUSE head 43 Barge Master Ledbury, Herefordshire Elizabeth WHITEHOUSE wife 42 Herefordshire, Withington Thomas WHITEHOUSE son 6 Satffs, Tipton Elizabeth WHITEHOUSE daughter 4 Staffs, Tipton Jacob WHITEHOUSE son 3 staffs, Tipton Alfred WHITEHOUSE son 1 Staffs, Tipton Canal Boat, Eliza George HARRISON head 39 master Bargeman Worcester, Dudley Mary Ann HARRISON wife 35 Staffs George HARRISON son 10 Staffs Charlotte HARRISON daughter 8 Burton, Stafford Ann Selina HARRISON daughter 6 Staffs, West Bromwich Mary Ann HARRISON daughter 2 Staffs Canal Boat, Derby Charles SUTTON head 34 Master Bargeman Nantwich Hannah SUTTON wife 32 Oxford George SUTTON son 9 Stafford Longhurst Charles SUTTON son 8 Thomas SUTTON son 5 Stafford Tunstall Elizabeth SUTTON daughter 4 Staffs, Tipton Hannah SUTTON, daughter 1 Staffs, Burton Canal Boat, Florida Thomas STEVENS head 30 Master Bargeman Worcester, Oldbury Nancey STEVENS wife 28 Worcester, Oldbury James STOKES 13 Horse Driver Staffs, Tipton Canal Boat, Industrious Samuel HARRISON head 66 Master Bargeman Warwickshire, Bedworth Judith HARRISON wife 65 Warwickshire, Bedworth Elizabeth CURRELL 19 Horse Driver NK Eliza HARRISON Gd daughter 8 Staffs, Tipton Canal Boat, Volunteer William SANDERS head 32 Master Bargeman Staffs, Tipton Hannah SANDERS wife 25 Staffs, Tipton William SANDERS son 8m Staffs, Tipton Canal Boat, Harriet William WELLS head 57 Master Bargeman Oxford John DUCKETT 30 Mate Oxford Canal Boat, The Hull George HAYFIELD head 64 Master Bargeman Worcestershire, Oldbury George HAWKINS 36 Mate Worcestershire, Oldbury Canal Boat, The Shamrock John BERRY 30 Mate Worcestershire, Newlan Canal Boat, The Kite William PALLING 19 mate Staffs, Tipton John ROBERTS 16 Labourer on board Salop, Whitchurch Ricahrd PRICE 18 Assistant Montgomeryshire New Town William BATE 16 Assistant Lancashire Canal Boat, Plover Benjamin GRIFFITHS 22 Mate Staffs, Hanley Thomas JONES 21 Mates Assistant Worcestershire, Stourport Canal Boat, Dudley Samuel PAINTER 19 Mate Warwickshire, Birmingham Canal Boat, Danks Joseph WASSELL head 40 Master Staffs, Wordsley Ann WASSELL wife 50 Worcestershire, Upton On Severn William WASSELL son 21 Mate Staffs, Stourport Canal Boat, President James ROBOTHAM head 28 Master Stafford, Wordsley Ann ROBOTHAM wife 28 Worcestershire, Kidderminster Thomas ROBOTHAM son 8 Staffs, Wordsley Theresa ROBOTHAM daughter 6 Staffs, Wordsley William ROBOTHAM son 3 Staffs, Wordsley George ROBOTHAM son 9m Staffs, Wordsley Canal Boat, Thomas William TROTMAN 57 Master Bargeman Gloucestershire, Churcham William HYMES 20 Mate Gloucestershire Chelmsford Canal Boat, Trafalgar Joseph COULDRY head 35 Master Bargeman Gloucester, Chelmsford Elizabeth COULDRY wife 33 Worcestershire, Oldbury Eliza COULDRY daughter 14 Worcestershire, Oldbury George COULDRY son 7 Worcestershire, Oldbury Jemima COULDRY daughter 5 Worcestershire, Oldbury Walter COULDRY son 3 Worcestershire, Oldbury Ernest COULDRY son 2 Canal Boat, James Joseph BOWDLER head 44 Master Bargeman Staffs, Brewood Ann BOWDLER wife 33 Staffs, Kinver Mary Jane BOWDLER daughter 5 Staffs, Brettle Lane Ellen BOWDLER daughter 4 Cheshire Elizabeth BOWDLER daughter 2 Staffs Canal Boat, Emma Henry GREEN head 34 Master Bargeman Coventry Mana GREEN wife 28 Gloucestershire, Tewksbury Joseph Henry GREEN son 6 Worcestershire, Dudley Margerite GREEN daughter 4 Worcestershire, Dudley Reuben GREEN son 5m Staffs Canal Boat, Princess Royal John HUGHES 40 Master Bargeman Gloucestershire Thomas DAVIES 30 Mate Herefordshire, Tewksbury Canal Boat, Charles Henry Robert SMITH head 52 Master Bargeman Worcester Jane SMITH wife 46 Worcester Eliza SMITH daughter 14 Worcester Jane SMITH daughter 9 Worcester Canal Boat, Eliza Charles SMITH head 25 Master Bargeman Worcester William SMITH brother Mate Worcester Thomas SPURNER 19 Mates Assistant, Middlesex, London Canal Boat, John John BAGLEY head 45 Master Bargeman Warwickshire, Birmingham Hannah BAGLEY wife 45 Staffs, Bilston Richard BAGLEY son 10 Staffs, Bilston Sarah BAGLEY daughter 8 Staffs, Stoke Eliza BAGLEY daughter 4 Cheshire, Chester Canal Boat, Worthey Joseph TAYLOR head 55 Master Bargeman Warwickshire, Bedworth Mary TAYLOR wife 53 Salop, Shiffnall Ann TAYLOR daughter 12 Warwickshire, Bedworth George TAYLOR son 11 Warwickshire, Bedworth Canal Boat, Pearl John HERP head 33 Master Bargeman Staffs, Tipton Priscilla HERP wife 25 Staffs, Brierley Hill Jane HERP daughter 11 Staffs, Tipton Fanny HERP daughter Staffs, Tipton Hannah HERP daughter 1 Staffs, Tipton Canal Boat, The Omega John MUDIANT head 20 Master Bargeman Worcestershire, Kidderminster Sarah MUDIANT wife 23 Staffs, Sedgley John MUDIANT son 6m Staffs, Sedgley Henry TONKS 17 Mate Warwickshire, Birmingham Canal Boat, The Tipton Lass Joseph DAVIES head 40 master Bargeman Wilts, Wooton Bassett Eliza DAVIES wife 38 Warwick, Birmingham Sarah Ann DAVIES daughter 11 Staffs, Wolverhampton Caroline DAVIES daughter 9 Staffs, Wolverhampton James DAVIES son 6 North Wales, Denbighshire, Bala Elizabeth DAVIES daughter 3 Staffs, Wolverhampton Eliza DAVIES daughter 7m Wales, Denbighshire, St Martin Moors Canal Boat, Victoria John BANKS head 60 Master Bargeman Yorkshire, Halifax William BANKS son 14 Staffs, Wolverhampton Canal Boat, No. 25 Peter HOLLOWAY head 50 Master Bargeman Staffs, West Bromwich Catherine HOLLOWAY wife 48 Staffs, West Bromwich Fanny HOLLOWAY daughter 14 Staffs, West Bromwich Harry HOLLOWAY son 12 Staffs, West Bromwich Hannah HOLLOWAY daughter 10 Staffs, West Bromwich Sarah HOLLOWAY daughter 8 Staffs, West Bromwich Peter HOLLOWAY son 6 Staffs, West Bromwich Canal Boat, Great Bridge George SAVAGE head 34 master Bargeman Gloucester, Tewksbury Ann SAVAGE wife 33 Stafford Stone Elizabeth SAVAGE daughter 10 Bucks, Rugby Caroline SAVAGE daughter 5 Warwickshire, Hatton James SAVAGE son 3 Warwickshire, Knowle Jane SAVAGE daughter 1 Worcester

In a message dated 26/11/01 14:04:26 GMT Standard Time, CANAL-PEOPLE-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > list.owner@virgin.net Dear Julie. I'm afraid I did download the meassage ME-NUDE because it was from someone I knew well, and it contained a family name in the message. What do I do now ? The person e-mailed to say don't download as she thought she had a virus, but it was too late.! Sorry the 1881 Boatmen have been lacking lately but have had a houseful of visitors and have had to go to Northamptonm hospital today for dental surgery today.Not very pleasant, though am felling better than I expected to. Will take uf thr search again as soon as I am over it. Regards Thelma

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Hi All More etymology than genealogy, and possibly some graphology, but any input welcome. I know my g.g.grandfather William Wood (b Twyning, Glos, 1832) worked on the canals from Gloucestershire to the Midlands, probably shipping coal. On my g.grandmother Clara Wood's birth certificate he was described as what looks like a "walesman". I am no graphologist, but I am more convinced that the word is "walesman" than I am that the registrar forgot to cross the "t" and made an "r" look like an "s". I have also found various canal- and coal-friendly references to "wale" and "waling" as follows: (1) Horizontal planking between piles to hold back earth (as per the sides of a canal) - this is still in use in modern engineering. (2) Horizontal planking on a boat, either for the whole of the hull or on the outside of the hull (as in "gunwale"). (3) The washing of coal. (4) A modern reference to "waling" in terms of tying up a canal barge to moor it, it being the part of the boat one ties up. (5) "wale" as a colloquial term for a "wall", so possibly it's someone who walked the barge through tunnels. Any input to this debate welcome. Regards Craig Kersey North Yorkshire Interests: KERSEY (Wetherden, Suffolk; Burton, Wirral; Birkenhead, Cheshire; West Derby, Liverpool) WOOD (Twyning/Tirley/Shothonger, Glos; West Derby, Liverpool) GOODACRE (Kensington, Liverpool) OWENS (Kensington, Liverpool)

Hi Listers I am researching the Street Family of Derby,I know they were boat builders late 1700 and 1800. Their yard was In Exeter Street Derby. I have received some info on the boats they built being O.T.gauge,I have no Idea to what this means. I assume It Is something to do with the size of the vessels,can someone enlighten me please!! Carol --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.286 / Virus Database: 152 - Release Date: 10/9/01

Carol I live in the Rotherham area... I'm sure the Central Library have photographs... I'll get back to you with their URL asap. The canal has fallen into severe disrepair over the last centrury, but now it is gradually being restored. Best wishes Carole ----- Original Message ----- From: Carol, TreeTops <tree.tops@virgin.net> To: <CANAL-PEOPLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 6:47 PM Subject: [CANAL-PEOPLE] Fw: Sheffield & South Yorkshire Navigation > Message forwarded by Deputy List Owner - please do not reply to me. > Regards, Carol, (Tree Tops) > FAMILY TREE & WE'LL MEET AGAIN - Free Query Service: > SKY NEWS British TV Text Pages 267 & 268, > CHANNEL 5 British TV Text Pages 488 & 489 > http://freespace.virgin.net/tree.tops/ > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sammy Snow <S.Snow@cs.bham.ac.uk> > To: CANAL-PEOPLE-L@rootsweb.com <CANAL-PEOPLE-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: 22 November, 2001 18:03 > Subject: {not a subscriber} Sheffield & South Yorkshire Navigation > > > >I am desperately trying to find photograph on the Rotherham stretch of this > >canal. My grandfather and his seventeen sons, one of whom was my father, > >all worked on this canal as did my mother as a swingbridge keeper. > > > >Can anyone assist? > > > >Many thanks > >Sammy > > > > > ==== CANAL-PEOPLE Mailing List ==== > Have you used Tree Tops? > The Free FAMILY TREE & WE'LL MEET AGAIN SERVICE > http://freespace.virgin.net/tree.tops > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702&sourceid=1237 > >

Message forwarded by Deputy List Owner - please do not reply to me. Regards, Carol, (Tree Tops) FAMILY TREE & WE’LL MEET AGAIN - Free Query Service: SKY NEWS British TV Text Pages 267 & 268, CHANNEL 5 British TV Text Pages 488 & 489 http://freespace.virgin.net/tree.tops/ http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections -----Original Message----- From: Sammy Snow <S.Snow@cs.bham.ac.uk> To: CANAL-PEOPLE-L@rootsweb.com <CANAL-PEOPLE-L@rootsweb.com> Date: 22 November, 2001 18:03 Subject: {not a subscriber} Sheffield & South Yorkshire Navigation >I am desperately trying to find photograph on the Rotherham stretch of this >canal. My grandfather and his seventeen sons, one of whom was my father, >all worked on this canal as did my mother as a swingbridge keeper. > >Can anyone assist? > >Many thanks >Sammy >

Anyone looking for Illingworths or Nobles around the Bradford and Skipton areas? Not much info but happy to share what have Cherryl

Hello Dave Pike, Any canals are ok, but that apart, those in England do get more interest than any others. For the death (not burial) of Thomas Llewelyn, have you checked the GRO index for name variations and mis-spellings. What about Llewelyn Thomas ? Don't forget the way letters were formed then can be quite different now - S for L or T etc. If your family tradition is correct, you would normally find mentions of contractor, boat owner, owner boatman etc in baptism registers, birth/marraige certificates, census returns etc. If you keep finding boat loader, boat steerer, boatman etc then the tradition may be doubtful. If he was in business owning boats then you should most certainly find him in gauging registers. You wont find these in any central location but you may find some in a local history centre in a town through which the canals passed. I'm afraid my geographical knowledge of S. Wales is appalling. There are definately some gauging registers held at Gloucestershire Boat Museum. The archivist there is most helpful. Put Boat Museum in your search engine and you will find an address. If you get stuck come back. In fact don't go away. Phil in Hales Owen -----Original Message----- >There being no equivalent list covering Welsh waterways, I thought I'd try my luck on this English canal list. > >My father's mother's family were all canalboatmen on the Glamorganshire canal. Our family home from 1916 up to very recently, in fact, backed onto the canal at Coedpenmaen, Pontypridd. Sadly, most of the canal now lies buried beneath the A470 Cardiff to Merthyr dual carriage way, though there is still a short stretch in water near Castell Coch, at Tongwynlais, just on the northern edge of Cardiff. > >Information from censuses informs me that my great great grandfather was a boatman: > >Thomas Llewelyn was b. Llanwonno circa 1796; d. between 1851 & 1861 (no sign of a burial or a GRO index entry, and no death entry traced at the local RO - Merthyr Tydfil). Thomas was working as a boatman as early as 1822 when his first child was born. At this time the family lived in Merthyr Tydfil. By 1841 they were living at Navigation, Abercynon. By 1851 they were at Furnace Row, Pontyrhun, Abercanaid - a row of canalboatmen'scottages which still exists today. > >Of Thomas's sons, at least 5 worked on the canal between about 1840 and at least 1880: David, Thomas, John, William (my great grandfather) and Rhys, though I know little about any of them other than my direct ancestor William, who later lived in Pontypridd, where he was an ostler on the canal for a while before finishing his working days as an ostler in the ill-fated Albion colliery at Cilfynydd, near Ponty. He died in 1917. > >Family tradition has it that the family owned its own canalboat(s). How can I go about verifying this or finding out anything else about their business? > >Many thanks > >David Pike

You would probably find more info at the Glamorgan RO they hold a suprising amount of info on such things regards Tony Rogers List Administrator for ROGERS-UK Genealogy Mailing List ROGERS-CHAT non gen list and RuralReflections-UK mailing list

Does anybody know wether somebody holds a list for boat people/canal people working on the Gloucestershire canals. I am researching SMART boatmen in Gloucs and Staffordshire. Regards Celia Bailey

There being no equivalent list covering Welsh waterways, I thought I'd try my luck on this English canal list. My father's mother's family were all canalboatmen on the Glamorganshire canal. Our family home from 1916 up to very recently, in fact, backed onto the canal at Coedpenmaen, Pontypridd. Sadly, most of the canal now lies buried beneath the A470 Cardiff to Merthyr dual carriage way, though there is still a short stretch in water near Castell Coch, at Tongwynlais, just on the northern edge of Cardiff. Information from censuses informs me that my great great grandfather was a boatman: Thomas Llewelyn was b. Llanwonno circa 1796; d. between 1851 & 1861 (no sign of a burial or a GRO index entry, and no death entry traced at the local RO - Merthyr Tydfil). Thomas was working as a boatman as early as 1822 when his first child was born. At this time the family lived in Merthyr Tydfil. By 1841 they were living at Navigation, Abercynon. By 1851 they were at Furnace Row, Pontyrhun, Abercanaid - a row of canalboatmen'scottages which still exists today. Of Thomas's sons, at least 5 worked on the canal between about 1840 and at least 1880: David, Thomas, John, William (my great grandfather) and Rhys, though I know little about any of them other than my direct ancestor William, who later lived in Pontypridd, where he was an ostler on the canal for a while before finishing his working days as an ostler in the ill-fated Albion colliery at Cilfynydd, near Ponty. He died in 1917. Family tradition has it that the family owned its own canalboat(s). How can I go about verifying this or finding out anything else about their business? Many thanks David Pike

I am unsubscribing for a while to catch up with other things. Please contact me direct if you have similar interests. Cheshire: HUNT (Tarvin/Tarporley),HODKINSON (Tarvin/Tarporley), THOMPSON (Runcorn), WILKINSON (Runcorn/Preston Brook), HOLDEN (Warrington/Great Sankey/Port Sunlight), MELLOR (Neston/Port Sunlight), BILLINGTON (Neston/Tarvin/Little Budworth), MATTHEWS (Neston), NORMAN (Neston) Lancashire: MURPHY (Liverpool), CHATTERTON (Liverpool) Staffordshire: DOLMAN (Burton on Trent/ Alrewas), SALT (Burton on Trent) Derbyshire: DOLMAN (Derby) Ayrshire: MILLAR Fife: MILLER/MILLAR ALSO TERRACE: - ANYWHERE/ANYTIME Barbara Terrace Heswall Researching - HUNT of Tarporley, MELLOR of Neston and related families Also TERRACE - Anywhere/Anytime

Locals on the List, Did anyone manage to get to the 15th Nov. talk at Smethwick Library ? Is anyone able to provide a sumary ? Phil in Hales Owen