Hi Everyone, I am new to this list and wonder if someone could point me in the right direction. I am looking for my gt.grandfather, William PARRY. All I know about him is that he worked as a waterman on the canals. His daughter was born in 1838 in Awre, Gloucestershire and I found her in the 1851 census aged 13 working as a housemaid. I believe he was originally from Wales, but that's just family talk. Could someone please tell me just where to start? Thank you so much. pat in usa

This particular section for Middlewich gave actual addresses. All mentioned except one are noted as Boatman 126 Boothe Lane - S. Hollinshead 142 -do- - J. Hickson 144 -do- - G. Bunn 146 -do- - A. Jinks 154 -do- - G. Bunn jnr 162 -do- - J. Hickson 164 -do- - G. Warden 180 -do- - C. Scragg 182 -do- - C. Bennett 192 -do- - J. Bentley 23 Brooks Lane - W. Hickson 25 -do- - W. Scragg 9 Canal Terrace - J. Hickson 13 Cledford Bridge - H. Walley 17 -do- - J. Beech 19 -do- - D. Barnett 13 Leadsmithy St. - J. Bailey 12 -do- - J. Woodier (also J. Gire Lab) 102 Lewin St. - J. Scragg 3 Sea Bank - H. Allcock 7 -do- - J. Taylor 23 Webbs Lane - C. Allcock Brickyard - W. Littlemore Ashleigh - J. Williams - Boat Builder These are all I have had access to. Mo - on the Staffordshire/Cheshire border Reply to maureen_Wood@bigfoot.com

----- Original Message ----- From: "johnbailey51" <johnbailey51@netscapeonline.co.uk> To: <canal-people-l-request@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 12:57 AM Subject: Boatmen Hello Listers just reposting my interests Researching the SMART family in Wotton under Edge, Gloucestershire John Smart 47 listed on 1851 Tewkesbury census as a Boatman Mary Smart 37 Watermans Wife Moses Smart 12 Absolom Smart 9 Abraham Smart 7 Rebecca Smart 1 John Smart born 1835 Regards Celia Bailey --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by Expert Anti-Virus. Version: 6.0.323 / Virus Database: 180 - Release Date: 2002-08-Feb

----- Original Message ----- From: "johnbailey51" <johnbailey51@netscapeonline.co.uk> To: <canal-people-l-request@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 12:57 AM Subject: Boatmen Hello Listers just reposting my interests Researching the SMART family in Wotton under Edge, Gloucestershire John Smart 47 listed on 1851 Tewkesbury census as a Boatman Mary Smart 37 Watermans Wife Moses Smart 12 Absolom Smart 9 Abraham Smart 7 Rebecca Smart 1 John Smart born 1835 Regards Celia Bailey --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by Expert Anti-Virus. Version: 6.0.323 / Virus Database: 180 - Release Date: 2002-08-Feb

Forwarding!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "liz" <Lizzie@surewest.net> To: <CANAL-PEOPLE-L-request@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 9:31 PM Subject: 1841 Oldbury Road Smethwick. Hi all Here are a few folks and others living in the same household on Oldbury Road. All where born in Staffs John Walker 60 Boatman - Sarah Harlong 45 William Beat or Geat 35 Boatman Robina " 45 Elen " 11 Sarah " 9 Samuel Night 20 Boatman Charles Webb 14 lab Rebeca Whitehouse 15 Walter Busby 13 Samuel Westwood 30 Moulder Maria 35 Mathew Burton or Ruton 53 Philip Ingersell or Ingersoll 20 Frederick Jesson 20 Boatman living with John and Susannah Sheldon --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by Expert Anti-Virus. Version: 6.0.323 / Virus Database: 180 - Release Date: 2002-08-Feb

Forwarding!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "liz" <Lizzie@surewest.net> To: <CANAL-PEOPLE-L-request@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 9:31 PM Subject: 1841 Oldbury Road Smethwick. Hi all Here are a few folks and others living in the same household on Oldbury Road. All where born in Staffs John Walker 60 Boatman - Sarah Harlong 45 William Beat or Geat 35 Boatman Robina " 45 Elen " 11 Sarah " 9 Samuel Night 20 Boatman Charles Webb 14 lab Rebeca Whitehouse 15 Walter Busby 13 Samuel Westwood 30 Moulder Maria 35 Mathew Burton or Ruton 53 Philip Ingersell or Ingersoll 20 Frederick Jesson 20 Boatman living with John and Susannah Sheldon --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by Expert Anti-Virus. Version: 6.0.323 / Virus Database: 180 - Release Date: 2002-08-Feb

Hello Listers First of all I would like to thank Mo Wood for her recent listing of boatmen from 1913. This has given me some indication where some of my extended family might have ended up. So I thought I would give some background information to some of the names mentioned. Edwin Burton son of Thomas Burton and Hannah Burley who were married at weston on Trent 04/10/1860 Henry Burton was another son the family seemed to have orginated from the Stone Staffs area Edwin Burton married Louisa James 30/05/1887 at Weston on Trent. Louisa James was the daughter of Philip James and Ellen Wenlock who married at St Marks Ocker Hill Tipton Staffs 11/10/1860 Philip James was born abt 1834 Tewkesbury Glos. Ellen Wenlock born abt 1845 Worcester Worcs she was the daughter of Thomas Wenlock and Maria Barker who married 7/5/1823 St Marys Kidderminster. Thomas Wenlock born 22/11/1801 Kidderminster Worcs to Edward Wenlock and Martha Yarnall nee Hayward who is my 5 x great grandmother I decend through the Yarnall line. Philip James jnr born 1870 brother to Louisa married Mary Ann Jenkinson Hollinshead 31/7/1893 Penkridge daughter of Moses Jenkinson Hollinshead and Eliza Fradley who also married at Penkridge 19/7/1848. Matthew Wenlock born 1872 son of John Wenlock and Mary Collins married 9/11/1859 St Martins Tipton Staffs Matthew married Eliza Ann Jenkinson Hollinshead daughter of Moses Jenkinson Hollinshead 19/10/1891 Penkridge There are other names on the list which I could add a little information to but before I bore you all I will close Looking forward to what comes up in the Middlewich lot Mo that will bring in The Theobalds Baileys and other connections Bye for now Lorna --------------------------------------------- This message was sent using Endymion MailMan. http://www.endymion.com/products/mailman/

Can anyone tell me how you find out the company my ancestors worked for and the name of their boat, if it is possible after such a time span. They are listed as boatmen on the Tipton 1861 census, name Beaumont and were all born in Shropshire. Thanks for any help. Chris McCready.

The Inland Waterways Association has a book shop and you can shop on-line. They sell books, maps and videos - mainly of English waterways. http://waterways.org.uk/index.htm

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Ooops! Aston Canal should read Ashton Canal.

I am by no means an expert on canals and waterways, just interested because of boat people in my family tree. We also have a little boat and cruise the waterways when we can. Heres abit of information on Mountsorrell that might point you in the right direction to do some more research. Mountsorrell (if I've got the right place!) is on the River Soar, between Loughborough and Leicester. The River Soar is part of the Grand Union Canal. The River Soar between Leceister and Loughborough became navigable in 1794 and between the River Trent and Loughborough before this date. To get from Mountsorrell to Manchester your ancestors may have travelled up the River Soar to the River Trent and then on to the Trent and Mersey Canal (opened 1777). From this waterway onto the Macclesfield Canal (opened 1831), then the Peak Forest Canal (authorised in 1826), onto the Aston Canal (1799) and then the Bridgewater Canal (1761). The journey would have been approximately 138 miles. If they went straight to Liverpool they could have continued on the Trent and Mersey Canal to the Weaver Navigation and onto the Mancester Ship Canal and then the River Mersey. The above is just an option, they may well have travelled further north on the Trent and then gone west joining the Leeds and Liverpool Canal. I don't know how Llithfaen ties in. If this is one on the Lleyn Peninsula (I've had a look in my map book!), there are no canals in this area. The area around Mountsorrell has alot of gravel pits. Its a nice little place. We moored over night there last summer, had a walk round and a nice meal in one of the pubs. If you look back at previous messages I have mentioned a couple of web sites with lots of links to canals and waterways. If you have a look on these you may get some more background information. Hope this helps. Helen

Because, Jim, you have subscribed in Digest form, which means all your mails from the Canals list will come through as an attachment, therefore you will receive one mail instead of twenty. The attachments are guarenteed to be virus free, so Rootsweb inform us, I think they are scanned before being sent out. Regards Mick McAllister ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Beckman" <sjoberg@sundial.net> To: <CANAL-PEOPLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 6:47 PM Subject: [CANAL-PEOPLE] Re: CANAL-PEOPLE-D Digest V02 #29 > Why is this message coming with an attachment??? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <CANAL-PEOPLE-D-request@rootsweb.com> > To: <CANAL-PEOPLE-D@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 11:00 AM > Subject: CANAL-PEOPLE-D Digest V02 #29 > > > > > ==== CANAL-PEOPLE Mailing List ==== > Have you used Tree Tops? > The Free FAMILY TREE & WE'LL MEET AGAIN SERVICE > http://freespace.virgin.net/tree.tops > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

This reply came to me! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Sculthorp" <canadajay@sympatico.ca> To: "List Owner" <list.owner@virgin.net> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 4:32 PM Subject: Re: [CANAL-PEOPLE] Fw: Mancey If you enter the wwords Lightermen and Waternen into your search machine (preferably "Google") you will get scads of stuff. Also try the The Guild of Watermen and Lightermen of the River Thames. The files are all on database and you will certainly find your folks.........Ron Sculthorp ....(I found four generations of my folks in the files) ----- Original Message ----- From: "List Owner" <list.owner@virgin.net> To: <CANAL-PEOPLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 10:24 AM Subject: [CANAL-PEOPLE] Fw: Mancey > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Beckman" <sjoberg@sundial.net> > To: <CANAL-PEOPLE-L-request@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 12:28 PM > Subject: Mancey > > > My great grandfather and his family were lighterman from > Brentford,Middlesex how can I learn more about this subject? I have > tried locating the book Tales of a Thames Lighterman but have not been > successful , any help will be appreciated > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by Expert Anti-Virus. > Version: 6.0.323 / Virus Database: 180 - Release Date: 2002-08-Feb > > > > ==== CANAL-PEOPLE Mailing List ==== > Have you tried? > C J Genealogical Collections > Web Page http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by Expert Anti-Virus. Version: 6.0.323 / Virus Database: 180 - Release Date: 2002-08-Feb

----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Beckman" <sjoberg@sundial.net> To: <CANAL-PEOPLE-L-request@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 12:28 PM Subject: Mancey My great grandfather and his family were lighterman from Brentford,Middlesex how can I learn more about this subject? I have tried locating the book Tales of a Thames Lighterman but have not been successful , any help will be appreciated --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by Expert Anti-Virus. Version: 6.0.323 / Virus Database: 180 - Release Date: 2002-08-Feb

Just thought I'd post this message - useful for anyone who might have London Docklands connections...... Lisa ----- Original Message ----- From: <Phoenix9229@aol.com> To: <TRANSCRIPTIONS-UK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 9:49 AM Subject: [TRANSCRIPTIONS-UK] Online UK Parish Register searches Hi there If you are searching for ancestors from the Docklands area of London,UK, you may be interested in my website: www.parishregister.com It has the baptisms registers of St Peter's,London Docks from 1878 to 1933 and contains nearly 8000 entries,490 of which are Watermen and Lightermen of the river Thames,fully searchable online.This is original material, to be found nowhere else on the internet. Searching is free.It costs £2.95 to view results, part of which goes to St Peter's. This is cheaper than going to the Archives yourself, and also saves a day of searching. You can also buy the complete indexed database on microfiche if you find many names you are searching for. We also have ( free ) aerial maps of the area ,ancient and modern so that you can view the streets where your ancestors lived. Kind regards James Legon ==== TRANSCRIPTIONS-UK Mailing List ==== FAMILY TREE & WE'LL MEET AGAIN - Free Query Service Web Page http://freespace.virgin.net/tree.tops/ email: tree.tops@virgin.net

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Hello List, << Linda Baum Webster, one of your subscribers, wrote a wonderful article entitled LEICESTERSHIRE QUARRYMEN IN WALES, Leicestershire and Rutland, FS Winter Dec 1993, Newsletter # 74 p 34-36. In that article she said:> I wanted to correct a misunderstanding in Roger Lamson's recent e-mail. I had forwarded a copy of this article to Roger, did not write it--I could only wish to be so talented. Linda Baum Webster Maine US

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Dear Canal People: I am new to the list. I am trying to test a theory to understand the connection of Mountsorrel's (Leicestershire) quarry people with remote quarries. Linda Baum Webster, one of your subscribers, wrote a wonderful article entitled LEICESTERSHIRE QUARRYMEN IN WALES, Leicestershire and Rutland, FS Winter Dec 1993, Newsletter # 74 p 34-36. In that article she said: "It would be interesting to know how the Mountsorrel quarrymen got to hear about other quarries in such far away places as Scotland and North Wales. One line of inquiry would be whether the quarries were owned by the same companies." My supposition is that the common denominator between these locations is water, but I would like to find more proof. I am seeing the family of Samuel & Mary A. Clarke spread out from Mountsorrel possibly to Derbyshire (1835) and possibly to Middleton (near Manchester) (1881) and to Missouri, Massachusetts and Maine in the USA. At first it made little sense to me that they would jump that way. However, I have discovered that there is a canal linking Middleton with Manchester. Then the Manchester Ship Canal links that inland city with Liverpool and, of course the ocean. Today, I have learned that there is a canal that connects the Manchester area to the Peak District of Derbyshire where limestone was quarried. I do not know if Derbyshire is connected by canal to the canal that goes through Mountsorrel. If so, it would make sense that the workers would then follow the waterways and canals to the quarry that offered employment. Once they became used to travel on the water I suppose they could follow it to all points with impunity. At first blush Linda's people in Wales do not seem conform to this idea, since her Walter Simmons says he walked from Mountsorrel to Llithfaen, Wales where he found work in a quarry. However, she also noted that some of the members of his family were boatmen and that other people from Mountsorrel worked in Llithfaen. Walter may have had the legs for such a walk, but I'll wager the less hardy exercised their sea legs. They probably took passage on the same boats that the stone was shipped on. Linda discovered that the owner of the quarry near the south coast of Wales was a company from Liverpool. I wonder if an inland water route could be found from Liverpool to Mountsorrel? Linda has shown me a connection between her family and mine via a granite quarry in Dummerston, VT owned by James Clark. His 2nd wife, Eliza Baum, was born in Mountsorrel. My grandfather, Thomas Hunt, was working at the Clark's quarry in 1907. I am almost certain that James Clark was his uncle (his mother was Sarah Clark, b. ca. 1849 in Mountsorrel). Thomas and his father, William Hunt, were both born in Mountsorrel, and both worked in what was called the "Tips" Quarry in that town. Uncle James Clark and Eliza Baum, came to the U.S. before 1882. Their first son was born in Graniteville, MO and subsequently another son was born in 1891 in Gloucester, Mass. After 1891 they went to Dummerston, VT and purchased a granite quarry there. It is said that William Hunt (above) worked for James Clark in the USA about 1891. Indeed, he is absent from his family in Mountsorrel according to the 1891 census. Samuel Holbery Hawkins, a quarryman by trade and patriarch of the Hawkins clan in America, came to the U.S. in 1870. He was born September 14, 1843 in Mountsorrel, Leicester, England, son of John Hawkins and Elizabeth Noon, and died January 28, 1913 in Long Cove, St. George, ME. He sailed from Liverpool on the SS Tripoli and arrived in Boston on April 25, 1870. On arrival in the US, Samuel stayed at the home of Thomas Geary in Gloucester, Essex County, Massachusetts. He and various members of his family resided in Gloucester, Massachusetts until 1879. Samuel worked for awhile in the quarries of Vinalhaven, Maine. The family returned to England in 1878/1879. In 1881 they moved to Long Cove, Maine again working in the stone quarries. By 1883, all of Samuel's family was living in Long Cove. Samuel H. Hawkins married Rebecca Preston Hunt, July 13, 1863 in Christ Church, Mountsorrel. She was born August 14, 1845 in Rothley, Leicester, daughter of Henry (WILLIAM1) Hunt and Elizabeth Preston and died January 12, 1922 in Long Cove, Maine. ~I think if we could understand the commercial connections that bound these people together, we would be well on our way to discovering all of their lost family connections--breaking down granite walls, as it were! ~Do you know of any sources of canal information that might answer these questions? ~Is there a canal route inland from Mountsorrel to Manchester? ~Is so, when would the canal segments that establish that route have been constructed? Yours truly, Roger Lamson No. Sutton, New Hampshire, USA Yours truly, Roger Lamson