----- Original Message ----- From: <Patbrygen@aol.com> To: <canal-people-d-request@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 2:45 PM Subject: Robert BRYANT tt, lock-gate keeper. Does anyone know if there is a list of lock-gate keepers? Robert BRYANT died 1871-1874 and entry not in G.R.O. indexes (under all permutations of the name) I've no idea where he died. Please help. Pat --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by Expert Anti-Virus. Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 2002-19-Feb

Have forwarded your message to a Marsden connection I am working on Vickers would like to trade information Gtgtgt grandfaher WIlliam boatman as is his son James They from Brinsley/Codnor Park/Hucknall areas REgards DIa New Zealand -----Original Message----- From: BGoodburn@aol.com [mailto:BGoodburn@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, 27 February 2002 10:59 To: CANAL-PEOPLE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [CANAL-PEOPLE] Watkinsons,Marsdens and Vickers from Burscough/Lathom Lancs Dear All, I am new to this list and would be very grateful for any information relating to the above families from the Burscough or Lathom areas of Lancashire. I have information dating back to the 1830s. Any additonal information would be gratefully recieved. The families were all employed on the Leeds to Liverpool Canal. Other family names include Bolton, Garner, Topping and Harrison but I am not sure if they were all canal families. Thank you for your time, Catherine ==== CANAL-PEOPLE Mailing List ==== Have you used Tree Tops? The Free FAMILY TREE & WE'LL MEET AGAIN SERVICE http://freespace.virgin.net/tree.tops ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hello Helen I am writing this to the list, as I saw you answering a few listers about the records of their canal folk. I only just joined the list, so it could be I am asking something out of your area. I am looking for any record of Edward JONES Boatman of Hillmorton Rugby. Regards Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jones, Helen" <Helen.Jones@rotherham.gov.uk> To: <CANAL-PEOPLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: 26 February 2002 12:48 Subject: [CANAL-PEOPLE] FW: Canal Look-up > Hi Linda > > Sorry no Morters listed. > > Helen > > -----Original Message----- > From: JelenBrink@aol.com [mailto:JelenBrink@aol.com] > Sent: 22 February 2002 17:55 > To: Helen.Jones@rotherham.gov.uk > Subject: Canal Look-up > > > Dear Helen, > Thank you for your offer to do a look-up. Our ancestor Benjamin Morter > lived > away from where other Morters lived, and someone suggested he may have been > a > canal worker. So that is why I am writing for a quick one-name look-up, > please. I appreciate your offer to help. > Thank you, > Linda Brink > > > ==== CANAL-PEOPLE Mailing List ==== > Have you used Tree Tops? > The Free FAMILY TREE & WE'LL MEET AGAIN SERVICE > http://freespace.virgin.net/tree.tops > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Am looking for any information on William Parry, believed born in Wales, but certainly living in Gloucestershire where his daughter was born in Awre Glos. in 1838. He is described as 'a waterman working on the canals'. Any info. anyone? Thanks. patricia davies in usa

Dear All, I am new to this list and would be very grateful for any information relating to the above families from the Burscough or Lathom areas of Lancashire. I have information dating back to the 1830s. Any additonal information would be gratefully recieved. The families were all employed on the Leeds to Liverpool Canal. Other family names include Bolton, Garner, Topping and Harrison but I am not sure if they were all canal families. Thank you for your time, Catherine

Hi John From the Trent Navigation Co Gauging Tables: name, no, owner/master, year T Waldon, 190, master, 1800 W Waldram, 1207, master, 1823 Hope this is of use. Helen -----Original Message----- From: John Steane [mailto:steane@bravo.net.au] Sent: 23 February 2002 09:01 To: Jones, Helen Subject: Re: [CANAL-PEOPLE] Indexes Hi Helen May I take up your kind offer re these indexes. I am looking for the name Waldron, they initially centralised on Worcester, having come down the Severn, but this did not seem to stop them straying far and wide. Manny thanks for the kind offer. John Steane steane@bravo.net.au Oz researching Steane and all variants, anywhere. One name study Goon 2735 Baldwin Britton Chiffers Staffs & Derbyshire Waldron Arrowsmith Worcestershire / Shropshire/Staffordshire Chivers Hampshire

Hi Thelma >From the Trent Navigation Co Gauging Tables: name, no, owner/master, year M Glover, 1258, master, 1825 M Glover, 1258, owner, 1825 R Glover, 1046, master, 1818 T Glover, 520, master, 1812 W Glover, 815, master, 1815 J Murfin, 365, master, 1807 J Murfin, 365, owner, 1807 J Murfin, 520, owner, 1812 J Murfin, 760, owner, 1814 J Murfin, 760, previous owner, 1814 Cromford Canal Permits name, ref no, permit no, boat no J Glover, B44, 480, 1258 J Glover, B44, 634, 1258 The boat no '1258' appears in both the above records, as you can see. Keep up the good work with the 1881 census. Helen -----Original Message----- From: ThlmMry@aol.com [mailto:ThlmMry@aol.com] Sent: 23 February 2002 14:28 To: Helen.Jones@rotherham.gov.uk Subject: Canal Site Hello Helen, as you are pobably aware I am listing canal boatmen from the 1881 Census. However I have "lost" my boatmen ancestors long before this. aroundf1840/1860. If you have anybody named GLOVER or MURFIN/MIRFIN in your book I would be so glad to hear from you. REgards Thelma

Hi Dorothy There is a 'Ball' listed in the Trent Navigation Co Gauging Tables, but not an 'Andrew': Name, no, owner/master, year J Ball, 1414, master, 1833 Don't know if this will be of any use. Helen -----Original Message----- From: Dorothy Pasco [mailto:dpasco@es.co.nz] Sent: 22 February 2002 22:52 To: Jones, Helen Subject: Re: [CANAL-PEOPLE] Indexes Hello Helen II wonder if you could look in the index for my Andrew BALL. He was married in Sep 1800 and gave his occupation as Boatbuilder. He is my current brickwall in this line and anything I can find on him would be great. Many thanks for your lookup offer. Dorothy in NZ At 09:35 22/02/2002 +0000, you wrote: >Hello Listers > >Nottingham Family History Society have produced a booklet 'Boatmen, Boat >Owners and Boat Builders', Record Series Vol 104. ISBN 1872776426, >ISSN 0142-5099. > >These are only indexes, but list names, owner or master, number of boat and >year. > >If anyone would like me to see if any names are there let me know. > Dorothy Pasco. N.Z. mailto:dpasco@es.co.nz

Hi Carole From the Trent Navigation Co Gauging Tables: Name, no, owner/master, year F Sephton, 1821, builder, 1860 F Sephton, 1844, builder, 1862 F Sephton, 2031, builder, 1878 J Sephton, 1930, builder, 1868 J Sephton, 1981, builder, 1872 J Sephton, 1989, builder, 1873 W Sephton, 1884, builder, 1865 F Septon, 1137, builder, 1820 F Septon, 1240, builder, 1825 F Septon, 1359, builder, 1829 F Septon, 1666, builder, 1846 F Septon, 2060, builder, 1880 J Septon, 1903, builder, 1866 W Septon, 1608, builder, 1841 Lucky you! Helen -----Original Message----- From: Carole Eales [mailto:carole.eales@btinternet.com] Sent: 22 February 2002 21:27 To: Jones, Helen Subject: Re: [CANAL-PEOPLE] Indexes Helen, I'd be interested to know if the SEPHTON family are listed... they were at Misterton and Shardlow before moving to Foleshill (Coventry). Best wishes Carole ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jones, Helen" <Helen.Jones@rotherham.gov.uk> To: <CANAL-PEOPLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 9:35 AM Subject: [CANAL-PEOPLE] Indexes > Hello Listers > > Nottingham Family History Society have produced a booklet 'Boatmen, Boat > Owners and Boat Builders', Record Series Vol 104. ISBN 1872776426, > ISSN 0142-5099. > > The booklet includes: > > Trent Navigation Co Gauging Tables > Nottinghams Canal Boat Registers > Cromford Canal Permits > > These are only indexes, but list names, owner or master, number of boat and > year. > > Don't know if this booklet is still available, but you could try looking on > the above family history society's web page. Cost £3.85 but this was back > in 1996! > > If anyone would like me to see if any names are there let me know. > > Helen > > > ==== CANAL-PEOPLE Mailing List ==== > Have you used Tree Tops? > The Free FAMILY TREE & WE'LL MEET AGAIN SERVICE > http://freespace.virgin.net/tree.tops > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > --- Carole's mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 19/02/2002

Hi Darren From the Trent Navigation Co Gauging Tables: Name, no, owner/master, year J Statham, 1778, master, 1857 Sorry, no Seymours. Helen -----Original Message----- From: Darren Butler [mailto:Darren.Butler1@btinternet.com] Sent: 22 February 2002 22:39 To: Jones, Helen Subject: Re: [CANAL-PEOPLE] Indexes Hi Helen, If it is possible could you please check in your book for two Boatman surnames in my family tree, SEYMOUR and STATHAM. Many thanks in advance. regards Darren. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jones, Helen" <Helen.Jones@rotherham.gov.uk> To: <CANAL-PEOPLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 9:35 AM Subject: [CANAL-PEOPLE] Indexes Hello Listers Nottingham Family History Society have produced a booklet 'Boatmen, Boat Owners and Boat Builders', Record Series Vol 104. ISBN 1872776426, ISSN 0142-5099. The booklet includes: Trent Navigation Co Gauging Tables Nottinghams Canal Boat Registers Cromford Canal Permits These are only indexes, but list names, owner or master, number of boat and year. Don't know if this booklet is still available, but you could try looking on the above family history society's web page. Cost £3.85 but this was back in 1996! If anyone would like me to see if any names are there let me know. Helen ==== CANAL-PEOPLE Mailing List ==== Have you used Tree Tops? The Free FAMILY TREE & WE'LL MEET AGAIN SERVICE http://freespace.virgin.net/tree.tops ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hi Linda Sorry no Morters listed. Helen -----Original Message----- From: JelenBrink@aol.com [mailto:JelenBrink@aol.com] Sent: 22 February 2002 17:55 To: Helen.Jones@rotherham.gov.uk Subject: Canal Look-up Dear Helen, Thank you for your offer to do a look-up. Our ancestor Benjamin Morter lived away from where other Morters lived, and someone suggested he may have been a canal worker. So that is why I am writing for a quick one-name look-up, please. I appreciate your offer to help. Thank you, Linda Brink

Hi Margaret The following appear under the Cromford Canal Permits index: (name/ref no/permit no/boat no) W Grimbley/B45/2480/1456 W Grimbley/B45/2660/1446 W Grimbly/B46/678/1456 Grimby/B45/2939/1456 The Trent Navigation Co Gauging Tables have: Name/no/owner or master/year G Grimley/1781/master/1885 G Grimley/1781/owner/1885 G Grimley/1782/master/1885 G Grimley/1782/owner/1885 W Grimley/1456/master/1835 You'll notice the boat nos on the last record tally with the boat nos on the Cromford Permits. Hope this is useful. Helen -----Original Message----- From: margaret [mailto:margaret.weston1@ntlworld.com] Sent: 23 February 2002 01:19 To: Jones, Helen Subject: Re: [CANAL-PEOPLE] Indexes request you wrote > > The booklet includes: > > Trent Navigation Co Gauging Tables > Nottinghams Canal Boat Registers > Cromford Canal Permits > > These are only indexes, but list names, owner or master, number of boat and > year. > > Don't know if this booklet is still available, but you could try looking on > the above family history society's web page. Cost £3.85 but this was back > in 1996! > > If anyone would like me to see if any names are there let me know. I would appreciate it if you could look for GRIMBLEY. I understand you will get inundated, and understand if the reply is some time. Thankyou for your time -- Margaret of Leicester interests: BLACKBURN - Macclesfield, Cheshire BLACKWELL - Essex CHISWICK - Essex COOPER - Leicester EVERITT - Essex GOAT - Norwich GRIMBLEY - Leicester JAY - Rowhedge, Wivenhoe, Essex LOVEDAY - Forncett St Peter, Norfolk PANK - Norwich WARD - Forncett St Peter, Norfolk WESTON - Leicester LFHS W522 NFHS 7215

----- Original Message ----- From: "The McAllister Family" <mcallisterfamily@btinternet.com> To: "CANAL LIST" <CANAL-PEOPLE-L@rootsweb.com> Cc: "WARWICK-List" <WARWICK-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 6:06 PM Subject: Curdworth Canal Locks **** THIS MAIL HAS NO ATTACHMENTS **** Hi lists, some time ago, someone posted a message to either this list, or the Warks list, concerning a family who were living at Curdworth Locks, could this person contact me at Mick@themcallisterfamily.co.uk as I may have some new info for him regarding the position of said locks. I have also posted this to the Warks list. Regards Mick McAllister --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by Expert Anti-Virus. Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 2002-20-Feb

Hello all I am new to the list. I am looking for Edward Jones, boatman and his wife Prudence Twigger. They married in Hillmorton in 1822. Their daughter Mary was my gg grandmother. Janet

Hi Folks Here are some more boatmen & allied trades, ALL at address BIRMINGHAM,WARWICK. "JAMES" Boats on Worcester Wharf, Aaron BROWN/M/38/Capt.Barge Man (Worcester) with wufe,dau & Mate--- Thomas WHITE/U/25/Mate Barge Man (Worcester) "MARY JANE" Boats on Worcester Wharf, Thomas BALLINGER/M/21/Captain Barge Man (Gloucester) with wife & dau. "LILY" Boats on Worcester Wharf, Thomas LEWIS/U/28/Capt.Barge Man (Stroud,Gloucester) with Henry LEWIS/U/28/Mate Barge Man (Stroud Gloucester) "ARROW" Boats on Worcester Wharf William COX/M/72/Cap.Barge Man (Sedgley,Stafford) with wife & ---- Thomas /U/18/Mate Barge Man (Oswatry,Denbigh) Mate (Oswestry ?) "HARRIET" Boats on Worcester Wharf. Richard BRAYNE/M/38/Capt.Barge Man (Bidford,Warwick) with wife & 3 daus, "JANE" Boat on Worcester Wharf. John LEWIS/W/61/Boatman (Barge Men) (Stroud,Gloucester with--- Frederick PERCIVAL/M/58/Boatman (Barge Men) (Stroud,Gloucester) "CATHERINE" Boat on Worcester Wharf, George BUNN/M63/Capn,Barge Man (....wick,Worcester) with wife & son "WAVE" Boat on Worcester Wharf John MANN/U/33/Capn.Barge Man (Twinning,Worcester) with William WAKEMAN/14/Mate Barge Man (Gloucester) "NIMROD" Boat on Worcester Wharf. George ALFORD/M?32Capn,Barge Man (Aston Ingham,Hereford) with wife "HINTON" Boat on Worcester Wharf, John TONKS/M/37/Boatman Barge Man (Gloucester( with Walter TONKS/U/23/Mate Barge Man (Gloucester) "MADRAS" Boat on Worcester Wharf, Henry STOKES/M/57/Capn,Barge Man (Birm,Warwick) with wife & 4 daus "EMMA" Boat on Worcester Wharf, James CHAMBERLAIN/M/53/Capt.Barge Man (Tirley,Gloucester) with wife and--- William SMITH/U/16/Mate Barge Man (Gloucester) "FANNY" Boat on Worcester Wharf, Henry ELT/M/44/Capn,Barge Man (Upton,Worcester) with wife & son at St Martin St 5, Stephen BARBER/M/33/Boat Unloader (M S) (Pershore,Worcester) with wife at St Martin St,Bk 16, Samue BROWN/U/15/Labourer (Boatman's) (B'ham,Warwick) with father.W & 2 sisters at St Martin St ,Bk 66, Thomas WESTON/Y/20.Bargeman (Selly Oak,Worcester with mother.W. & 4 siblings incl-- John WESTON/U/18/Bargenman Assistant (Selly Oak,Worcester) bro. at St Martin St,Bk 76 Samuel DUNN/M/34/Bargeman (Worcester) with wife & boarder, at Bishopsgate St 4,Back 61, Francis RANDLES/M/50 Coal Wharf Labourer (Birmingham) with wife & boarder at William St,Ct 9 6 H, Charles SPENCER/U/25/Barge Man (Oat) (Birmingham) lodger with Emma Bailey.W, & family at William St,Ct 10 3 H, Henry WILLMORE/M/37/Boatman (W)(Birmingham Warwick) with wife & 3 ch at 105 William St,Ct 25.2 H Edward Fredk,KITE/U/25/Boatman (W)(Kings Norton,Worcester) boarder with Eliza Marsh .W. at 105 William St, Ct 25 4H George CRUTCHLEY/M/38/Boatman (W) (BIrmingham.Warwick) with wife ,4 ch & boarder, at 105 William St,Ct 25 7 H, Henry JAMES/M/47/Boat Builder (Birmingham.Warwick) with wife & 6 ch. Regards Thelma

Very promising site, great information. Bubbles from Robin Hood Country. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joanne's Genes" <lists@oceanv.net> To: <CANAL-PEOPLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 5:12 AM Subject: [CANAL-PEOPLE] Boatman in Parish Registers Stafford & Warwick

Hi All Please do not open any messages with attachments received from my address today, unfortunately we were hit with the Badtrans virus, our system has now been cleaned and virus protection updated, many apologies to anyone who received a message from me today, please ignore and delete!! Best Wishes Sue Hull, E.Yorks

Below are the names I've added to my parish transcription database for Canal Boatman since my last posting on February 15, 2002. I've been looking at Bordesley, Warwick (1823-1867) and Kingswinford, Stafford (1813 to 1823). Name&Area baker / Kingswinford beddard / Kingswinford berrey / Bordesley berry / Bordesley boddard / Kingswinford boden / Kingswinford bourne / Kingswinford bournes / Kingswinford bownes / Kingswinford burns / Kingswinford cox / Kingswinford drakeford / Bordesley edwards / Kingswinford frost / Kingswinford garner / Bordesley garrod? / Kingswinford green / Kingswinford griffin / Bordesley hale / Kingswinford hammond / Kingswinford hammonds / Kingswinford hand / Kingswinford hands / Kingswinford harman / Edgbaston harthill / Kingswinford hatherly / Kingswinford hickman / Kingswinford hill / Bordesley hughes / Kingswinford humphries / Bordesley johnson / Kingswinford keeling / Bordesley keoll? / Kingswinford kimberley / Bordesley knight / Kingswinford langford / Kingswinford lowe / Kingswinford male / Kingswinford mallen / Kingswinford mullett / Kingswinford ness / Bordesley norris / Bordesley pargeter / Kingswinford pargiter / Kingswinford payner / Kingswinford pinfold / Bordesley powell / Kingswinford power / Kingswinford powers / Kingswinford pugh / Kingswinford robotham / Kingswinford rock / Kingswinford rubotham / Kingswinford smith / Kingswinford stokes / Kingswinford tale / Bordesley taylor / Bordesley taylor / Kingswinford timmins / Kingswinford wagsall / Kingswinford walker / Edgbaston webster / Kingswinford westwood / Kingswinford wilcox / Kingswinford wilkes / Kingswinford wilkins/bilkins? / Bordesley williams / Kingswinford wood / Kingswinford If you see a name you're interested in then you can go to my webpage (link below) and get the details: http://www.oceanv.net/canals.asp Regards, Joanne Research Interests: ------ ADDIS - Birmingham & Worcester (Caroline Addis married Edward Kennard m.1842 Worcester) AUSTIN - Warwick, Leicester, Rutland (Florence Stride married Albert Austin m.1918 Bham) CARTER - West Bromwich (Emily Carter married Frederick KNIGHT m. 1893 West Brom) CHALLINGSWORTH - Kingswinford, Sts (Eliza Challingsworth married Peter Firmstone m. 1831 Dudley) CHAPPELL - Birmingham, Warwick (Clara Chappel married William REEVES m. 1879 Bham) CLARKE - Leicester (married into RICHARDS m. 1873 Harborne) DAWSON - Wolverhampton, Sts, Castle D, Lei, Shardlow, Dby (mostly boatmen) DUNN - Kingswinford, Sts (Mariah Dunn married Thomas Roberts m. 1849 Dudley) FIRMSTONE - Kingswinford, Sts (Susannah Firmstone married Samuel Mallen m.1873 Dudley) HILL - Warwick (Kings Norton), Smethwick - Thomas Hill b. 1882 son of Charles? JACQUES - Rugby, War (Elizabeth married John SHED m. 1893 Uxbridge) KENNARD - Birmingham & Worcester KNIGHT - West Bromwich/Wolverhampton (Frederick KNIGHT) MALLEN - Kingswinford, Sts or Worcester LOCKLEY - Wolverhampton, Sts (married into Sarah Married John DAWSON m 1855 Wolv.) PEMBERTON - Dumbarton, Scotland/Smethwick, Sts - Margaret married William CARTER) QUEEN - Glasgow, Scotland (Mary married Thomas PEMBERTON bef. 1837) RICHARDS - London, War, Sts - William RICHARDS (Hair Dresser) Son - William (Japanner) REEVES - Birmingham, Kings Norton (Polly Lily Reeves married Thomas HILL m. 1904) ROBERTS - Quarry Bank/Kingswinford, Worcester or Stafford SAVAGE - Wolverhampton, Stafford (Caroline married Thomas DAWSON m. 1855 Tipton) SHED - Paddington, London (Emily married Thomas DAWSON m. 1916 Bham) STEWART - Midlothian area, Scotland STRIDE - Warwick, Worcester - always interested in ALL STRIDE/STROYDs WARD - Warwick - Occupation Carpenter WITHERS - Newcastle on Tyne (married into RICHARDS) Check out my trees on the web: http://www.oceanv.net/projects.htm

Hello again listers Could I just ask if anyone does want any information from the indexes that they are patient with me. I am using my works computer and will have to wait until lunch time before I can email. I will get back to people as soon as I can. Thanks and happy searching! Helen

Hi Dianne I'll just list what Vickers there are and hopefully they will all be helpful to you. Cromford Canal Permits Name,Ref,Permit no,Boat No G Vickars, B44, 347, 1309/1461 C Vickers, B44, 2584, 1309/1460 G Vickers, B45, 2786, 1309/1460 W Vickers, B46, 567, 1309 Trent Navigation Co. Gauging Tables Name, Boat registration no, master or owner, year J Vickers, 478, master, 1811 J Vickers, 936, master, 1816 J Vickers, 937, master, 1816 J Vickers, 1749, master, 1853 J Vickers, 1750, master, 1853 J Vickers, 1750, master, 1853 S Vickers, 881, previous owner, 1815 Regards Helen -----Original Message----- From: Balloon Expedition Co, N.Z [mailto:balexped@ihug.co.nz] Sent: 21 February 2002 14:04 To: Jones, Helen Subject: RE: [CANAL-PEOPLE] Indexes Dear Helen no doubt bombarded ! I am looking for William VICKERS and at least one son James c1820 - 1870 William lived in Wharf Row Brinsley Derby- James seems to have moved about quite a bit on the Notts/Derby boarder Regards and thanks you Dianne McKee New Zealand