Sorry Bob, no Mawby's. Helen -----Original Message----- From: Bob Mawby [mailto:b.mawby@ntlworld.com] Sent: 28 February 2002 14:15 To: 'Jones, Helen' Subject: RE: [CANAL-PEOPLE] Canal Indexes Hi Helen Could you please see if there are any MAWBY's listed Thanks and Regards Bob Mawby Brownsover, Rugby Warwickshire UK -----Original Message----- From: Jones, Helen [SMTP:Helen.Jones@rotherham.gov.uk] Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 2:02 PM To: CANAL-PEOPLE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [CANAL-PEOPLE] Canal Indexes Hi Listers When I get a little more time I will let you know more information about the indexes and where they are held. To Neil - there are quite a few Harrisons. I will let you have the info as soon as I can. Regards Helen ==== CANAL-PEOPLE Mailing List ==== C J Genealogical Collections Web Page http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hi Neil Information from the indexes, sorry for the delay. Trent Nav. Co. Gauging Tables Name, No, owner/master/builder, year Harrison, 561, previous owner, 1812 Harrison, 1036, previous owner, 1818 Harrison, 1527, builder, 1838 Harrison, 1528, builder, 1838 Harrison, 1772, builder, 1857 Harrison, 1878, builder, 1865 Harrison, 1879, builder, 1865 Harrison, 1961, builder, 1870 Harrison, 1962, builder, 1870 Harrison & Co, 1684, Builder, 1847 Harrison & Co, 1685, previous owner, 1847 Harrison & Co, 1688, builder, 1847 Harrison & Co, 1689, builder, 1847 C Harrison, 2179, master, 1906 J Harrison, 1358, builder, 1829 J Harrison, 1358, owner, 1829 J Harrison, 1577, builder, 1840 J Harrison, 1578, builder, 1840 J Harrison, 1613, builder, 1842 J Harrison, 1643, builder, 1844 J Harrison, 1649, builder, 1845 J Harrison, 1699, builder, 1848 J Harrison, 2126, builder, 1899 J Harrison, 2148, master, 1902 J Harrison, 2149, master, 1902 W Harrison, 1004, owner, 1816 Rigby, 1804, previous owner, 1858 Nottinghams Canal Boat Registers George Harrison, master, registration no 138, 1900 (year) Nothing on the Cromford Canal Permits (1841/42). Helen -----Original Message----- From: nharrison@cix.compulink.co.uk [mailto:nharrison@cix.compulink.co.uk] Sent: 27 February 2002 19:40 To: Helen.Jones@rotherham.gov.uk Cc: nharrison@cix.compulink.co.uk Subject: Canal Look-up Dear Helen, I see from the list that you have already been very busy with look-ups. When you have a moment, could you look up HARRISON and RIGBY? Thanks very much in advance. Neil Harrison

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Dear Joan, What a lovely surprise this morning - got your copies of Les Hales' notes of the boats, 'Clara', 'Hydra', 'Margaret' and 'Only Daughter' owned by Thomas and James Cutts of Old Radford. Thomas was the father of James Cutts bapt 13.4.1828 Radford. James was married to a Sarah c.1849 (not yet identified - possibly Sarah Pear m. 3.10.1849 Basford St. Leo's) Thomas Cutts, son of William and Elizabeth Cutts was baptised at Bilborough 12.6.1803 and buried at Radford St. Peters 2.7.1887 aged 76, indicating that the Clara was probably 'leased out' after his death until its sale in 1888, or could it have been towed by another boat mastered by his son James? I remember seeing canal barges towing others down the River Trent in my childhoold. I am inclined to believeThomas's marriage was to a Mary Bates at Kinoulton 18th October, 1824. Kinoulton is very close to the old Limeyards between Cropwell Bishop and Kinoulton, Notts. The fact that they traded in coal, gravel, lime and bricks, to Cropwell, Stanton, and Nottingham, and coal and lime to Derby, Leicester and Nottingham and gravel in the Nottingham District helps put them into the framework more accurately. This makes the Shardlow/Sawley area more significant. In addition to limeyards a Cropwell Bishop, Notts, (and Ticknall, Derbyshire) there were gravel pits at Attenborough and Holme Pierrepont, and I believe there were brickworks at Stanton and also at Carlton. Perhaps Les could confirm this? Any researchers of this family, please do let me know so we can expand the picture. Regards, Mavis in Somerset, researching all CUTTS in East Midlands.

Hi Folks, Here is another list of Boatmen and allied trades . ALL the addresses are still BIRMINGHAM WARWICKS.I'm afraid. and there's a lot more to come ! at 21 Court 4 House, Francus SWINDALE/M/26/Boatman (Birmingham,Warwick) with wife & 3 ch. at 21 Court 4 House, John BLOXWICH/M/21/Boatman (Head) (Birmingham,Warwick) boarder with wife at 30 Milk St Thomas WILKINS/M/47/Boatman (Sutton,Warwick) with wife.boarder & Grd.dau. at 6 Court 3 House Little Ann St, Joseph BLACKMAN/M/44/Boatman (Birmingham,Warwick) with wife & 5 ch. at 9 Back of 17 Barn St, James WATSON/M/48/Boatman (Walsall,Stafford) with wife, 8 CH & SON/IN/LAW-- Samuel.T.WATSON/14 /Boat Lad (Birmg,Warwick) and Alfred COPSON/M/23/Boatman (Northfield,Worcester) son/in/law at 20 Barn St, John HOPPER/m/64/Waterman (Queens Co.Ireland) with wife & 7 ch at 5 Back of 22 Barn St, Abel MERCHANT/M/26/Boat Emptier (Brierley Hill,Worcester) with wife 2 ch & mother. at 23 Barn St, William BRYAN/M/46/Boatman Canal (N.K.Hereford) with wife & 3 ch incl---- Frederick BRYAN/16/Boatman Canal (Stourbridge,Worcester) at 32 Barn St, George ASKEY/U/34/Boatman (Birmg,Warwick) with mother.W. at 1 Back of 43 Barn St, Joseph KIMBERLEY/M/44/Boatman Canal ( Coventry,Warwick) with wife & 5 ch. at 41 Well St, Thomas HAWKINS/W/79/Formerly Boat Maker (Todmarton,Oxford) wirh son,dau/in/law & niece. at 50 Barr St, George GISBORN/M/28/Waterman (Barge) (Worcester) with wife , son & Mother/in/law (Gold) & boarder at 23 C 7 H Hampton St, Joseph ROBERTS/U/22/Boatman (Birmingham Warwick) with parents sister and Grd mother. at 250 Gt Russell St, Samuel Preston/M/22/Boatman (Birmingham) with wife & dau. at Summer Lane Model Lodging House,] Hy.JOHNSON/U/30/Boatman (Barge) LOdger with others Vessel "VICTORIA" Henry WATSON/M/69/Captain of Boat (Barge) (Doe End,Stafford) with Edward WESTWOOD/14/Boat Boy(Royscroft Hill,Stafford) and Robert ALDRIDGE/M/35/Night Watchman on Wharf. at 57 Hanley St, John RABONE/M/44/Canal Compy Lock Keeper (Tarbick,Worcester) with wife & 8 ch. at 37 Cecil St, John THOMAS/M/44/Boatman (Barge) (Walsall,Stafford)with wife & 8 ch. at 92 Cecil St, William BARNES/M/40/Boat Maker (Stafford) with wife & 4 ch This may be a mis-translation of Boot maker, as wife was a boat machinist !) at 5 Ho Blews St, James JONES/M/33/Boatman?,sic (B'ham,Warwick) with wife 5 ch & boarder CHANGE OF ADDRESS for next two only, then back to BIRMINGHAM at 6 Ho Pritchett St,ASTON,Warwick, James BURLEY/M/32/Boatman (Ashted,Warwick) with wife ,son & boarder with son at 8 Ct 1 Ho Pritchett St ASTON, David DUDLEY/W/35/Canal Boatman (B'ham, Warwick) with son. at 1 H 7Ct,Brearley St William HOLLINS/U/30/pat Emptier (O) (Birmingham) with father W. & 3 siblings at 126 New John St, John BARTRAM/U/27/Boat Steerer (Birmingham) with father.W.& 2 siblings at Ct 26 New John St James BENNETT/19/Boatman (W)(Birmingham) with mother & 2 siblings at 21 New John St, Joel LUCK/M/31/Boat Builder ( Bramton,Northampton) with wife & lodger at 51 New John St Thomas CLARKE/M/53/Boatman (W)(Birmingham) with wife 3 ch, dfau's child & boarder at 10 Ct 2 H Blews St John SMITH/M/30/Boatman (Birmingham) wirh wife & 3 ch at 10 Ct 3 H Blews St, Edward TAYLOR/U/25/Boatman (irmingham) with brother & sister in law at 11 Ct 9 Blews St John HANDLEY/M/30/Boatman (W) (Tipton,Stafford) with wife & 3 ch. at 11 Ct,11 Blews St, Henry PARRISH/M/32/Boatman (W) (Birmingham) with wife & 2 ch at 11 Ct ,13 Blews St, Thomas ROBINSON/M/34/Boatman (W) (Birmingham) with wife & 5 ch. Regards Thelma

Came across the following: PRM4.100/14 - 6.3.1854. Admin Bond We, Sarah CUTTS, of Portland Wharf, p. of Kirby in Ashfield, Widow and relict of John Cutts, late of same place, Railway Clerk, who died 26.120.1853, intestate, Wm. WATSON of Mansfield and Walter Ashley HAZARD, of Mansfield, Cordwainer, bound to Geo. Walkden of Mansfield, Gent., Steward of the Manor of Mansfield in sum of £200. John Cutts of bapt 5.7.1799 at Pinxton and married 22.7.1822 Greasley to Sarah JEPSON, b.c. 1801 Brinsley. John's daughter, Elizabeth CUTTS b.c.1829 Kirkby, was married 6.4.1854 at St. Wilfrids, (Kirkby?) to Thomas OSMAN, Midland Railway Guard of Nottingham, b.c. 1824. Please let me know if you are related to this family. Regards, Mavis, in Somerset, researching all Cutts in East Midlands.

Sorry If you tried to access the database. I did everything but upload the entries! :-O) If you ever get an error with vivid yellow coloring it means I'm updating the database and it will be available shortly. Regards, Joanne Research Interests - check out my trees http://www.oceanv.net/projects.htm ------ ADDIS - Birmingham & Worcester (Caroline Addis married Edward Kennard m.1842 Worcester) AUSTIN - Warwick, Leicester, Rutland (Florence Stride married Albert Austin m.1918 Bham) CARTER - West Bromwich (Emily Carter married Frederick KNIGHT m. 1893 West Brom) CHALLINGSWORTH - Kingswinford, Sts (Eliza Challingsworth married Peter Firmstone m. 1831 Dudley) CHAPPELL - Birmingham, Warwick (Clara Chappel married William REEVES m. 1879 Bham) CLARKE - Leicester (married into RICHARDS m. 1873 Harborne) DAWSON - Wolverhampton, Sts, Castle D, Lei, Shardlow, Dby (mostly boatmen) DUNN - Kingswinford, Sts (Mariah Dunn married Thomas Roberts m. 1849 Dudley) FIRMSTONE - Kingswinford, Sts (Susannah Firmstone married Samuel Mallen m.1873 Dudley) HILL - Warwick (Kings Norton), Smethwick - Thomas Hill b. 1882 son of Charles? JACQUES - Rugby, War (Elizabeth married John SHED m. 1893 Uxbridge) KENNARD - Birmingham & Worcester KNIGHT - West Bromwich/Wolverhampton (Frederick KNIGHT) MALLEN - Kingswinford, Sts or Worcester LOCKLEY - Wolverhampton, Sts (married into Sarah Married John DAWSON m 1855 Wolv.) PEMBERTON - Dumbarton, Scotland/Smethwick, Sts - Margaret married William CARTER) QUEEN - Glasgow, Scotland (Mary married Thomas PEMBERTON bef. 1837) RICHARDS - London, War, Sts - William RICHARDS (Hair Dresser) Son - William (Japanner) REEVES - Birmingham, Kings Norton (Polly Lily Reeves married Thomas HILL m. 1904) ROBERTS - Quarry Bank/Kingswinford, Worcester or Stafford SAVAGE - Wolverhampton, Stafford (Caroline married Thomas DAWSON m. 1855 Tipton) SHED - Paddington, London (Emily married Thomas DAWSON m. 1916 Bham) STEWART - Midlothian area, Scotland STRIDE - Warwick, Worcester - always interested in ALL STRIDE/STROYDs WARD - Warwick - Occupation Carpenter WITHERS - Newcastle on Tyne (married into RICHARDS) I Administer the following lists on Rootsweb.com. Send an email with Subscribe in the subject line to Join: CHALLINGSWORTH-request@rootsweb.com GRASIER-request@rootsweb.com LOCKLEY-UK-request@rootsweb.com SHED-UK-request@rootsweb.com STRIDE-request@rootsweb.com

Below are the names I've added to my parish transcription database for Canal Boatman since my last posting on February 22, 2002. This week I've been looking at Smethwick and Kingswinford (1822 to abt 1827). Name&Area allbrook / Smethwick ashby / Smethwick ashley / Smethwick baker / Kingswinford betts / Smethwick boden / Kingswinford bourne / Kingswinford bowne / Kingswinford bownes / Kingswinford bull / Kingswinford capel / Smethwick capewell / Kingswinford carfiels? / Smethwick cartwright / Kingswinford chambers / Smethwick cooper / Kingswinford cresswell / Smethwick dyhouse / Kingswinford edwards / Kingswinford evitts / Smethwick hackett / Smethwick hill / Smethwick hughes / Kingswinford hull / Smethwick key / Smethwick lee / Kingswinford lewis / Kingswinford lissimore / Smethwick lowe / Kingswinford male / Kingswinford mallen / Kingswinford morris / Kingswinford mullet / Kingswinford mullett / Kingswinford pargiter / Kingswinford parkridge / Kingswinford perkes / Kingswinford powers / Kingswinford pugh / Kingswinford pye / Smethwick renbow / Kingswinford richards / Smethwick robotham / Kingswinford rock / Kingswinford shingler / Smethwick smallwood / Smethwick smith / Kingswinford stokes / Kingswinford taylor / Kingswinford timmins / Kingswinford turner / Smethwick twiley / Kingswinford twiney / Kingswinford venables / Smethwick weaver / Smethwick westwood / Kingswinford wilkes / Kingswinford wood / Kingswinford If you see a name you're interested in then go below and get the details: http://www.oceanv.net/canals.asp Research Interests - check out my trees http://www.oceanv.net/projects.htm ------ ADDIS - Birmingham & Worcester (Caroline Addis married Edward Kennard m.1842 Worcester) AUSTIN - Warwick, Leicester, Rutland (Florence Stride married Albert Austin m.1918 Bham) CARTER - West Bromwich (Emily Carter married Frederick KNIGHT m. 1893 West Brom) CHALLINGSWORTH - Kingswinford, Sts (Eliza Challingsworth married Peter Firmstone m. 1831 Dudley) CHAPPELL - Birmingham, Warwick (Clara Chappel married William REEVES m. 1879 Bham) CLARKE - Leicester (married into RICHARDS m. 1873 Harborne) DAWSON - Wolverhampton, Sts, Castle D, Lei, Shardlow, Dby (mostly boatmen) DUNN - Kingswinford, Sts (Mariah Dunn married Thomas Roberts m. 1849 Dudley) FIRMSTONE - Kingswinford, Sts (Susannah Firmstone married Samuel Mallen m.1873 Dudley) HILL - Warwick (Kings Norton), Smethwick - Thomas Hill b. 1882 son of Charles? JACQUES - Rugby, War (Elizabeth married John SHED m. 1893 Uxbridge) KENNARD - Birmingham & Worcester KNIGHT - West Bromwich/Wolverhampton (Frederick KNIGHT) MALLEN - Kingswinford, Sts or Worcester LOCKLEY - Wolverhampton, Sts (married into Sarah Married John DAWSON m 1855 Wolv.) PEMBERTON - Dumbarton, Scotland/Smethwick, Sts - Margaret married William CARTER) QUEEN - Glasgow, Scotland (Mary married Thomas PEMBERTON bef. 1837) RICHARDS - London, War, Sts - William RICHARDS (Hair Dresser) Son - William (Japanner) REEVES - Birmingham, Kings Norton (Polly Lily Reeves married Thomas HILL m. 1904) ROBERTS - Quarry Bank/Kingswinford, Worcester or Stafford SAVAGE - Wolverhampton, Stafford (Caroline married Thomas DAWSON m. 1855 Tipton) SHED - Paddington, London (Emily married Thomas DAWSON m. 1916 Bham) STEWART - Midlothian area, Scotland STRIDE - Warwick, Worcester - always interested in ALL STRIDE/STROYDs WARD - Warwick - Occupation Carpenter WITHERS - Newcastle on Tyne (married into RICHARDS) I Administer the following lists on Rootsweb.com. Send an email with Subscribe in the subject line to Join: CHALLINGSWORTH-request@rootsweb.com GRASIER-request@rootsweb.com LOCKLEY-UK-request@rootsweb.com SHED-UK-request@rootsweb.com STRIDE-request@rootsweb.com

Hello Listers Thanks for being patient. Please bear in mind the booklet that I have got the following information from was published in 1995, it would be advisable to contact the relevant establishment that holds the information that you are interested in, to see if they do hold the records. The Gauging Tables Location of surviving gauging tables Gauging no., volume, location *N1-N60, narrow boat tables, Notts central library 1 - 140, 1, PRO(Kew), Notts central library (NCL), Leicester University library 141-290,2, PRO, NCL, Leicester University library 291-430, 3, PRO 431-570,4, PRO,NCL 571-720, 5, PRO, British waterways archive 721-870,6,PRO,NCL, BW 871-1020,7,PRO,NCL,BW 1021-1170,8,PRO,NCL,BW 1171-1320,9,PRO,NCL,BW 1321-1470,10,PRO,NCL,BW 1471-1620,11,PRO,NCL,BW 1621-1770,12,PRO,BW 1771-2188,13,Newark Museum *When the Trent Nav Co first began gauging boats in 1799 the first 60 narrow boats were treated separately and a set of narrow boat tables was published. This means that there are two number '1's, two number '2's, etc up to 60. The Canal Boat Register Nottinghams register consist of two volumes, ref no NIM 1988-134 and NIM 1988-136. They are located in the Industrial museum, Wollaton Park. Cromford Canal Permits Surviving permits are located in the Derbyshire Record Office at Matlock. They cover the period 1817-1878 with some gaps. The index in the booklet only covers the years 1841/42. Good luck! Helen

Forwarding. -----Original Message----- From: dougnval.hanson [mailto:dougnval.hanson@ntlworld.com] Sent: 28 February 2002 21:45 To: Jones, Helen Subject: Re: [CANAL-PEOPLE] Indexes This is to Carol I have maternal links to Graingers from Wolverhampton, who originally came from Darleston. The father was a blacksmith. Naturally this could have been linked to the canals although I have no evidence Regards Val ---- Original Message ----- From: "Jones, Helen" <Helen.Jones@rotherham.gov.uk> To: <CANAL-PEOPLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 1:43 PM Subject: FW: [CANAL-PEOPLE] Indexes > Sorry Carol. No Footman or Grainger on these indexes. > > Helen > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carol [mailto:camars2@cogeco.ca] > Sent: 27 February 2002 13:41 > To: Jones, Helen > Subject: Re: [CANAL-PEOPLE] Indexes > > > Hello, Helen, > > I wonder if you would be able to check your booklet for the names of my > canal families? They were usually found in the Gloucester, River Severn, > Worcestershire areas, but may have wandered further afield, I'm sure! > > The names are GRAINGER and FOOTMAN. There were many in the family who > were boatmen/watermen, so I would be happy to find any first names! > > Thanks so much, Helen. > > Carol > camars2@cogeco.ca > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jones, Helen" <Helen.Jones@rotherham.gov.uk> > To: <CANAL-PEOPLE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 4:35 AM > Subject: [CANAL-PEOPLE] Indexes > > > > Hello Listers > > > > Nottingham Family History Society have produced a booklet 'Boatmen, Boat > > Owners and Boat Builders', Record Series Vol 104. ISBN 1872776426, > > ISSN 0142-5099. > > > > The booklet includes: > > > > Trent Navigation Co Gauging Tables > > Nottinghams Canal Boat Registers > > Cromford Canal Permits > > > > These are only indexes, but list names, owner or master, number of boat > and > > year. > > > > Don't know if this booklet is still available, but you could try looking > on > > the above family history society's web page. Cost £3.85 but this was back > > in 1996! > > > > If anyone would like me to see if any names are there let me know. > > > > Helen > > > > ______________________________ > > > ==== CANAL-PEOPLE Mailing List ==== > Have you tried? > C J Genealogical Collections > Web Page http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi Listers When I get a little more time I will let you know more information about the indexes and where they are held. To Neil - there are quite a few Harrisons. I will let you have the info as soon as I can. Regards Helen

Hi Janet In the Cromford Canal Permits is the following Name, ref no, permit no, boat no E Jones, B46, 879,513 E Jones, B46,1001, - There are other Jones'. Let me know if you want me to look at these. Helen -----Original Message----- From: Janet's email [mailto:janet@ellisat16.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: 26 February 2002 20:30 To: Jones, Helen; CANAL-PEOPLE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CANAL-PEOPLE] FW: Canal Look-up Hello Helen I am writing this to the list, as I saw you answering a few listers about the records of their canal folk. I only just joined the list, so it could be I am asking something out of your area. I am looking for any record of Edward JONES Boatman of Hillmorton Rugby. Regards Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jones, Helen" <Helen.Jones@rotherham.gov.uk> To: <CANAL-PEOPLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: 26 February 2002 12:48 Subject: [CANAL-PEOPLE] FW: Canal Look-up > Hi Linda > > Sorry no Morters listed. > > Helen > > -----Original Message----- > From: JelenBrink@aol.com [mailto:JelenBrink@aol.com] > Sent: 22 February 2002 17:55 > To: Helen.Jones@rotherham.gov.uk > Subject: Canal Look-up > > > Dear Helen, > Thank you for your offer to do a look-up. Our ancestor Benjamin Morter > lived > away from where other Morters lived, and someone suggested he may have been > a > canal worker. So that is why I am writing for a quick one-name look-up, > please. I appreciate your offer to help. > Thank you, > Linda Brink > > > ==== CANAL-PEOPLE Mailing List ==== > Have you used Tree Tops? > The Free FAMILY TREE & WE'LL MEET AGAIN SERVICE > http://freespace.virgin.net/tree.tops > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi Liz There are no Sheldons listed. However there are quite a few Skeltons if you think this may be useful. Also in the Cromford Canal Permits: J Skeldon, ref no B46, permit no 397. Let me know if you want the Skeltons. Helen -----Original Message----- From: liz [mailto:Lizzie@surewest.net] Sent: 26 February 2002 16:48 To: Jones, Helen Subject: Re: FW: [CANAL-PEOPLE] Indexes Hi Helen Thank you for doing these look ups, it is much appreciated. I wondered if you have time if you could see if there are any SHELDON among them. I am looking for a John Sheldon. No hurry just if you have a few minutes. Regards Liz "Jones, Helen" wrote: Hi John >From the Trent Navigation Co Gauging Tables: name, no, owner/master, year T Waldon, 190, master, 1800 W Waldram, 1207, master, 1823 Hope this is of use. Helen -----Original Message----- From: John Steane [ mailto:steane@bravo.net.au <mailto:steane@bravo.net.au> ] Sent: 23 February 2002 09:01 To: Jones, Helen Subject: Re: [CANAL-PEOPLE] Indexes Hi Helen May I take up your kind offer re these indexes. I am looking for the name Waldron, they initially centralised on Worcester, having come down the Severn, but this did not seem to stop them straying far and wide. Manny thanks for the kind offer. John Steane steane@bravo.net.au Oz researching Steane and all variants, anywhere. One name study Goon 2735 Baldwin Britton Chiffers Staffs & Derbyshire Waldron Arrowsmith Worcestershire / Shropshire/Staffordshire Chivers Hampshire ==== CANAL-PEOPLE Mailing List ==== Have you used Tree Tops? The Free FAMILY TREE & WE'LL MEET AGAIN SERVICE http://freespace.virgin.net/tree.tops <http://freespace.virgin.net/tree.tops> ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571 <http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237> &sourceid=1237

Hi Nicki The only reference to Dales on the indexes is: Dale Abby Co, ref no N31, owner, 1801 (year). Don't know if this will be of any use. Helen -----Original Message----- From: Paul Hitchcock [mailto:paul.hitchcock@totalise.co.uk] Sent: 27 February 2002 22:11 To: Jones, Helen Subject: RE: [CANAL-PEOPLE] Indexes HI Helen Could you please check the list to see if there are any Dales on it. Are you regretting orrfering to do this yet!! Thank you in advance Nicki Hitchcock >===== Original Message From "Jones, Helen" <Helen.Jones@rotherham.gov.uk> ===== >Hello again listers > >Could I just ask if anyone does want any information from the indexes that >they are patient with me. I am using my works computer and will have to >wait until lunch time before I can email. I will get back to people as soon >as I can. > >Thanks and happy searching! > >Helen > > >==== CANAL-PEOPLE Mailing List ==== >Have you used Tree Tops? >The Free FAMILY TREE & WE'LL MEET AGAIN SERVICE >http://freespace.virgin.net/tree.tops > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 Totalise - the Users ISP ---------------------- To become a member and a shareholder visit http://www.totalise.net

Sorry Carol. No Footman or Grainger on these indexes. Helen -----Original Message----- From: Carol [mailto:camars2@cogeco.ca] Sent: 27 February 2002 13:41 To: Jones, Helen Subject: Re: [CANAL-PEOPLE] Indexes Hello, Helen, I wonder if you would be able to check your booklet for the names of my canal families? They were usually found in the Gloucester, River Severn, Worcestershire areas, but may have wandered further afield, I'm sure! The names are GRAINGER and FOOTMAN. There were many in the family who were boatmen/watermen, so I would be happy to find any first names! Thanks so much, Helen. Carol camars2@cogeco.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jones, Helen" <Helen.Jones@rotherham.gov.uk> To: <CANAL-PEOPLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 4:35 AM Subject: [CANAL-PEOPLE] Indexes > Hello Listers > > Nottingham Family History Society have produced a booklet 'Boatmen, Boat > Owners and Boat Builders', Record Series Vol 104. ISBN 1872776426, > ISSN 0142-5099. > > The booklet includes: > > Trent Navigation Co Gauging Tables > Nottinghams Canal Boat Registers > Cromford Canal Permits > > These are only indexes, but list names, owner or master, number of boat and > year. > > Don't know if this booklet is still available, but you could try looking on > the above family history society's web page. Cost £3.85 but this was back > in 1996! > > If anyone would like me to see if any names are there let me know. > > Helen > > ______________________________

Hi, I am new to this list and was wondering how I can find records of families I am researching. I have Fairclough's who on the childrens birth certificates state they are boatmen. They are born in Cheshire. Have some children in Wales and then in Staffordshire. Can SKS point me in the right direction. TIA Irene

Hi List I am new to this list and need some help and advice from SKS please. I have just started researching my husband's family. His grandparents, William GARDNER and Maria MONK were married on 8th December 1915, and their marriage certificate states that William was a canal boatman, residing at Stockton at the time of his marriage. His father was Charles GARDNER, occupation a former canal boatman. Maria MONK is shown on the certificate as the daughter of Henry MONK, also a canal boatman, although her address was Sanders Street, Warwick i.e. land-based. I understand that William GARDNER ran tar boats on the canals for Fellows and Moreton. His birth was never registered, but his christening was, although he always told family members that he remembered walking to his christening in Long Itchington church. His father Charles Gardner apparently came from the Birmingham area, and was born of a canal boat family. Supposedly, so too was Henry Monk. What I want to know is how to go backwards from here. As William had no birth certificate, and his father was also a canal boatman, I don't quite know where to start. Do I use the conventional records, or is there somewhere else I should search for canal boat peoples records? Any help and advice would be very much appreciated. Sorry if I'm being thick! Ann Gardner

Dear Catherine, My father's family were boat people on both sides for a number of generations and I have Watkinsons, Boltons and Garners. Other surnames are Culshaw, Lamb, Melling. I can go back to my ggg grandparents on some branches. If you let me have details of your tree, I'll see if I can link it to mine. The most hopeful would appear to be Margaret Garner and Richard Bolton. Their daughter, Margaret Bolton, b1852, was the mother of my grandmother, Margaret Watkinson. Have you seen the book Burscough Boatmen and their Families? Yo might find some useful info in there. There is a long listing of marriages between boat people. it certainly seems to be the case that they tended to marry within the community. Margaret Parkinson (nee Watkinson)

Hi Folks Here is another list of 1881 Boatmen & Allied trades. ALL the following have address BIRMINGHAM,WARWICKS at 7 Bk 159 Tennant St John RADFORD/W/53/Labourer on Coal Wharf )Applewby,Leics) with son ,dau son/in/law & 3 Grd.Ch incl.John T,RADFORD/Carter on Coal Wharf (B'ham) son at 5 Ct, Tennant St, Henry MOUNTNEY/M/26/Boatman (B'ham,Warwick) dau & 3 step .ch (Green) at 1 Court 4 House,Berkley St, Alfred SKINNER/U/19/Wharf Labourer )B'ham,Warwick ) with parents at 3 House,Berkley St, Albert JARRATT/U/19/Boatman (W) (B'ham,Warwick) with parents & 6 siblings,incl- Edward JARRATT/U/17/Boatman (W) ( B'ham,Warwick) at 5 House, Gas St, Edward MAYNE/M/54/ oll Collector (Smethwick,Stafford) with wife & Lodger at 6 House,Gas St. Edward EVERTON/M/38/Canal Clerk (Droitwich,Worcester) with wife 5 ch at 1 Bk.19,Granville St, Joseph EMBURY/M/50/Bargeman Boat Steerer (Hasington) with wife at Bk 33 Stoke St. James CARTWRIGHT/U/18/Boatman (W) Boarder with Henry Gazey & family at 7 Court 4 House,Communication Row Joseph BENNETT/M/42 Boatman (W)(Stoke Prior,Worcester) with wife 6 ch incl--- Joseph BENNETT/14/Boatman (Droitwich) at 7 Court 7 House,Communication Row, Joseph HOLLIER/M/27/oatman (W)( B'ham) with wife & 3 ch. at 7 Court, 9 House,Communication Row, Thomas WALKER/M/48/Boatman (W) (Worcester) at Wharf Fredrick FREEMAN/M/37/Wharf Manager (Leicester) with wife ,7 ch & Boarder at No 1 Norfolk St David KIRWEN /U/21/Boatman (W)( B'ham) Lodger with others with Richard Fitzpatrick & family at Ho 1 In Ct 3 Norfolk St, Henry SMITH/W/40/Boat Unloader (Ins) (Birmingham) with 4 ch. at 6 Court 2 House Suffolk St, Benjamin MILWARD/M/49/Boat Man (Birmingham) with wife & 2 sons at Taylors Bldgs,Suffolk St,Back Rooms,No 1 John BROWN/M/56/Coal Wharf Labourer (BIrmingham) with wife at 4 Court 5 House,Swallow St, William SMITH/U/38/ Boat Emptier (Ins) (BIrmingham)(Head) lodger with others incl William SMITH/M/38/ Boat Emptier ( Birmingham) with wife & 6 ch) at 14 Hanover St, Francis HADLAND/M/63/Clerk at Coal Wharf (Buckingham) with wife & 2 ch at 49, Benacre St, John GRATTAGE/M/42/Boat Finisher (Stafford) with wife , 7 ch & visitor (I wonder if this should be Boot Finisher ?) at 153 Barford St, Joh. WILKINS/M/23/Canal Boatman (Great Bridge,Stafford) with wife & son at 7 House,11 Court,Edgbaston,Warwick William DOUSE/M/30/Canal Boat Sailor (Stafford,Stafford) with parents , wife,7 son also stepson of William Douse (Dixton) at Allison St 1 Court 2 House William DAVIS/M/39/Boatman (W) (Birmingham) with wife at 71 Park St, William POOL/M/33/Mariner (Birmingham,Warwick) with wife & dau at 22 Ct 3 Ho,Bordesley John UNDERHILL/M/44/Boat Man (W) ( Droitwich,Worcester) with wife & 7 ch at 6 Bartholomew St, Thos ANDREWS/18/Boatman Barge (British Subject,Malta) with mother.W. both boarders with Willm Collins. at Lower Fazely St Lock House, Edwd DUFFELL/U/34/Canal Toll Collector (Perry Barr,Stafford) with brother,2 sisters & a visitor. at 296 Lower Fazeley St,Wharf 1 Cabin Boat Saml GIBBONS/M/40/Boatman (Banbury,Oxford) with wife & 3 ch at 15 Court 4 House Bordeslet St, Joseph HANCOX/M/74/Emptier Boat (West Bromh,Stafford) with wife & son-- John HANCOX/U/36/Boat Emptier (West Bromh,Stafford) son at 91 Bordesley St, Robert BEDDALL/M/53/Canal Co Agent IniRiv.(Lidgate,Stafford) with wife & 6 daus at 1 1/2 New Canal St Thomas HEMMINGS/M/41/Boatman Barge (irmm,Warwick with wife 4 ch,servant & boarder at 5 Ct 2 A Pickford St William BASHFORD/M/26/Boat Steerer (W) (Birmm,Warwick) with wife at 3 Cotton St, Elizah (Elijah ?) HANCOX/M/35/Boat Emptier (West Bromwich Stafford) with wife & son son/in/law of & with Eliza Lee,W . at Bordesley Street Wharf Boat "ALBERT ERNEST" Benjm GRIFFITHS/M/48/Water Man (Hereford,Hereford) with son--- William GRIFFITHS/16/Water Man at 37 Bordesley St George HEMETT/M/564/Boatman (Kenilworth,Warwick) with wife & 5 ch. at 42 Bordesley St, Moses MASON/M/26/Water Boat Steerer (Great Bridge,Stafford) with wife & son at 8 House,11 Court Bordesley St Joseph HEWITT/M/26/Boatman (W) (B'ham,Warwick) with wife 2 daus & boarder--- William SMITH/M/30/BOatman (W) boarder at 5 House 14 Court,Bordesley St George WILKINS/M/23/Boatman (W) (Craperty ?) with wife,mother,W. ,& Sister regards Thelma