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Hi Eric and list, My g grandfather, Samuel LLOYD, was a Canal Rope Maker and in 1857 he was in Salford, Manchester. He was in Halifax later in life and I would assume that it was canal work that fetch him over the "hills". would any of the list know what a Canal Rope Maker was. Maybe he worked alongside or near to Thomas HEEDS in Eric's posting? John in Doncaster UK ----- Original Message ----- From: Eric H Millward <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2000 7:59 PM Subject: [CANAL-PEOPLE] HEEDS, BURGESS etc. New member > I have just joined the list and post my first offering of people on my > interests list. > > Thomas HEEDS,waterman, b about 1800 (perhaps 1804, IGI). He lived at > Chesterfield up to about 1834 when he moved with his family to the Ancoats > area of Manchester where he lived until at least 1864. > > Francis HEEDS, waterman, b about 1790, also of Chesterfield. The brother of > Thomas above. > > John HEEDS, waterman, canal carrier, b Manchester 1834, son of Thomas above. > > George BURGESS, waterman, b about 1820, son-in-law of Thomas HEEDS above. > George's father, George, was also a waterman. George BURGESS and Martha > HEEDS married at Manchester Cathedral in 1844. > > Robert HEEDS, waterman, son of John above, b Manchester, 1865. > > Thomas HEADES (sic), b Liverpool abt 1846 and living at Witton-cum > Twambrooks (Northwich) in 1881 > > Thomas HELPS (possibly HEEDS), b abt 1839. He was the mate of the boat > "Richard" at Hawley Quay, Warrington at the 1881 census. He may be the son > of Francis but is recorded as having been born at Stone, Staffs. With him on > the Richard were two boat boys William Henry HEEDS and David HEEDS who were > 14 and 12 and born at Runcorn and Barnton respectively. I suppose this is > entirely possible given the nature of their work. > > I also have MOORE(S) flatmen on the Weaver at Northwich about 1800 but they > are very unlikely to be related to the HEEDS family. > > It is interesting to note that several of the HEEDS watermen became > publicans in Manchester when their canal work ended. > > If these people are of interest to anyone or if you have more information > about > them please contact me. The Chesterfield/Manchester migration is a little > tenuous and I would be glad to have comments on the connection in canal > work between the two locations at that time. > > The following names are not all connected with canals. > > Regards, > Eric MILLWARD of Marple, Cheshire > [email protected] > Interests in Cheshire, BRUCKSHAW,BUCKLEY, CHARLESWORTH, DALE, HANSON, > JOHNSON, LEA, LEE, LEIGH, LEWIS, LITTLER, MILLWARD, MOORES, MOSES, NIELD, > PODMORE, STREET, WASHINGTON, WILLIAMSON, > in Derbyshire, MILLWARD, RADFORD, > in Lancashire, GROOM, HEEDS, MORGAN, MURPHY, ROBERTS, > in Staffordshire, DALE, HODSON, JOHNSON, MILLWARD, SIMCOCK > in Shropshire, JOHNSON > in WR Yorkshire, WHITEHEAD > and coming to UK from America before 1820, HOLDEN. > > > ============================== > The RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > 12.8 million individuals and counting. > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ > >

My G.G.grandfather George & G. grandfather Henry HEELEY/HEALEY/HELEY are listed as watermen & boatmen at various times in the period 1800 --1854 in Mirfield & Goole in Yorkshire --is there information on them anywhere???? ANY INFORMATION IS APPRECIATED . Larry Healey Campbellford ,Ontario Canada

I have just joined the list and post my first offering of people on my interests list. Thomas HEEDS,waterman, b about 1800 (perhaps 1804, IGI). He lived at Chesterfield up to about 1834 when he moved with his family to the Ancoats area of Manchester where he lived until at least 1864. Francis HEEDS, waterman, b about 1790, also of Chesterfield. The brother of Thomas above. John HEEDS, waterman, canal carrier, b Manchester 1834, son of Thomas above. George BURGESS, waterman, b about 1820, son-in-law of Thomas HEEDS above. George's father, George, was also a waterman. George BURGESS and Martha HEEDS married at Manchester Cathedral in 1844. Robert HEEDS, waterman, son of John above, b Manchester, 1865. Thomas HEADES (sic), b Liverpool abt 1846 and living at Witton-cum Twambrooks (Northwich) in 1881 Thomas HELPS (possibly HEEDS), b abt 1839. He was the mate of the boat "Richard" at Hawley Quay, Warrington at the 1881 census. He may be the son of Francis but is recorded as having been born at Stone, Staffs. With him on the Richard were two boat boys William Henry HEEDS and David HEEDS who were 14 and 12 and born at Runcorn and Barnton respectively. I suppose this is entirely possible given the nature of their work. I also have MOORE(S) flatmen on the Weaver at Northwich about 1800 but they are very unlikely to be related to the HEEDS family. It is interesting to note that several of the HEEDS watermen became publicans in Manchester when their canal work ended. If these people are of interest to anyone or if you have more information about them please contact me. The Chesterfield/Manchester migration is a little tenuous and I would be glad to have comments on the connection in canal work between the two locations at that time. The following names are not all connected with canals. Regards, Eric MILLWARD of Marple, Cheshire [email protected] Interests in Cheshire, BRUCKSHAW,BUCKLEY, CHARLESWORTH, DALE, HANSON, JOHNSON, LEA, LEE, LEIGH, LEWIS, LITTLER, MILLWARD, MOORES, MOSES, NIELD, PODMORE, STREET, WASHINGTON, WILLIAMSON, in Derbyshire, MILLWARD, RADFORD, in Lancashire, GROOM, HEEDS, MORGAN, MURPHY, ROBERTS, in Staffordshire, DALE, HODSON, JOHNSON, MILLWARD, SIMCOCK in Shropshire, JOHNSON in WR Yorkshire, WHITEHEAD and coming to UK from America before 1820, HOLDEN.

Hi Gus > A week or so ago there was a posting - I think here - that gave an address for listings of boats and their crews at Birmingham in the Censuses. > Is this the one? A list of boats and their occupants lying at Worcester Wharf, Birmingham > 1841, 1851, 1861, 1871, 1881 and 1891 can be found at the address below: > > www.silk.net/personal/gordonb/61canalboats.htm > Regards Julie Goucher [email protected] ***Please note NEW Email address***

Fowarded for Gus! ----- Original Message ----- From: Gus Tysoe <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2000 9:38 PM Subject: c> A week or so ago there was a posting - I think here - that gave an address for listings of boats and their crews at Birmingham in the Censuses. > > I'd thought I'd filed it safely - but if I did, I can't find it now... > > Can anyone help me with a repeat please? > > A careless, or possibly forgetful, > Gus Tysoe > Droitwich > Linear-Salt-Lake City > Regards Julie Goucher [email protected] ***Please note NEW Email address***

Here in Australia we are about a month behind in the print media and as a result I have just opened the January edition of Family History Magazine to find a feature on Canal People if anyone has missed it and is interested. Eilleen

Hello Pat There IS a site that gives details of all the boats and their crews in (I think Gas Street Basin) Birmingham in all the censuses - but I've lost it :-) [Gas Street Basin fits for the Stourport Ring - but I'm sure you know this already.] I've posted a request for it on this and the Warwick list, so hopefully it'll appear in a day or so! HTH Gus Tysoe Droitwich Hopefully 'soon' to be reconnected to the Severn and the Worcester-Birmingham, but now merely 'Linear-Salt-Lake City'

Thank you to the people who sent me information and suggestions for research. Thanks to Norman Holt's lists it looks as though my families could have been working in the area of the "Stourport Ring". That's something I can investigate. Perhaps I should look at Census along that route. Your replies have been mainly for the name BOURNE. The only positive reference I have for that name is the marriage of Phebe BOURNE to David ALLPORT 8 Apl 1833 at St Thomas Ch, Dudley,Worcs. witnesses Thomas Allen & Zach Brooks. Taking Phebe's age from the 1881 Census I'd say that she was born c 1810 at Wordsley. David was born 1811 Mount Pleasant, Kingswinford,Staffs. For David ALLPORT & Phebe and their baby son David (b. Dec 1840) I am looking for an entries on the 1841 & 1861 Census. Many of their family were at the Dingle, Kingswinford, Staffs. but these were obviously on board. Can anyone help please? Regards Pat

Please reply to Bob or the list not me!! Julie ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob and Karin Collins <Bob&[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2000 2:45 PM Subject: Query > Hi, List > My gggrandfather, George Turner > b. 1791/1792 Ombersley, WOR > d. 26 DEC 1868 Ombersley, WOR > m. Elizabeth- - - - - > Reportedly was born, and died on a horseboat. > Does anyone make a connection, or have further info? > Bob Collins > Bob&[email protected] > > >

Hi there, This information was sent to me some time ago, but I recall someone asking about Bossoms and thought it may be useful. >Just a few boatman names from the 1841 Oxford census: >Richard Edwards >Joseph Lewis >Richard Baker >Edward Fisher >John Giddons >Joseph Glover >Charles Kirtland >Stephen Judd >1851 >John Copson (boatbuilder) >Benjamin Bossom (boatbuilder and major boat family) >Further info: >Stephen Davis (Boatbuilder 1802) >William Gardner (Boatbuilder 1742) >John Gardner (Boatman 1756) >Samuel Beesley (Bargeman 1832; major boat family) >Other families associated with the canals and the Thames in the 18th >century included Ashely, Lewis, Farmer, Fishers, Bakers, Judd, Skinner. >With best wishes. >Graham Thomas >www.grahamthomas.com/fshx.html >(Web-site includes family tree of the Bossoms.) Sylvia [email protected] ==

I am related to a Charles Bourne 1822 born in Herfordshire England and his father John Thomas Bourne of 1797 Herforshire England. [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Hayward" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2000 2:53 AM Subject: [CANAL-PEOPLE] Fw: ALLPORT boatmen > > > > My interests are in the names > > ALLPORT , ALPORT, BOURNE & PEARSON > > David ALLPORT b Dec 1840 m'd Eliza ANSON > > David ALLPORT b 1811 m'd Phebe BOURNE > > Daniel ALLPORT m's Sarah PEARSON > > William ALLPORT m'd Elizabeth ...? > > Regards > Pat & Gil. > > > > > > ============================== > Free Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. > RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi >

I shall be 'off the list' temporarilly but hope to return in about 3 weeks. Happy hunting 'on the cut' to all.

Just come across this and thought it might be of interest. Site Name | Waterway Recovery Group Site URL | http://www.ukindex.co.uk/cgi-bin/ukindex/ukget.pl?ukrec=45713 Organisation | Waterway Recovery Group Description | The Waterway Recovery Group is a voluntary organisation, helping to restore derelict canals in Britain. Categories | CULTURE, ENGLAND, ENVIRONMENT, NATURE, REGIONAL Regards Julie Goucher [email protected] ***Please note NEW Email address***

My interests are in the names ALLPORT , ALPORT, BOURNE & PEARSON David ALLPORT b Dec 1840 m'd Eliza ANSON David ALLPORT b 1811 m'd Phebe BOURNE Daniel ALLPORT m's Sarah PEARSON William ALLPORT m'd Elizabeth ...? Regards Pat & Gil.

Gill, thanks for putting this URL on the list. good one! Should mention my interests here BANKS/NIXON/WILKES were all canal boat people. Milly Banks - Perth AU [email protected] Researching BANKS/MAUDSLEY/(SLATER)NIXON/WILKES - Eng HOOD/FERGUSON/HANNA/EWART -Sct/Ire MILLS/KIRK - Ire

Dear Wendy You mentioned Knottingley in your posting. I have just received the most amazing book called 'The sailing shops and mariners of Knottingley' by Ron Gosney and Rosemary Bowyer. It gives enormous detail about life on the waterways of Knottingley and costs just £6.95. You can see some detail on the web site www.summary.demon.co.uk/books/index/htm. It also gives in detail the jobs that people did together with lots of names of workers and ships. After sending me the book Ron offered to help further with my CUMPSTON master mariners and was able to give me names of ships they had sailed on and destinations. It is well worth buying (I have no financial interest in the book!) With best wishes Glenys in the Yorkshire Dales Seeking CUMPSTON in Hull and Knottingley WITTY in Hull PARKIN in Leeds and Upleatham MARSHALL in Malton, Norton and Crambe GRUMMITT and INGLEDEN in Bourne SHARP in Gainsborough WHITTLE and COBB in Peterborough MARRIOTT in Nottingham ----- Original Message ----- From: Wendy <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: 06 February 2000 20:03 Subject: [CANAL-PEOPLE] DODGSON/VALLANS > I have two families of watermen in my family tree and would be > interested in hearing from any one interested in them. They are as > follows > > The DODGSON family were based in Knottingley, Yorkshire. Michael, > baptised on 18 November 1798 was a waterman as was his son Michael, > baptised 2 May 1830 and grandson Frank, born 1859, a seaman > > William VALLENCE or VALLANS (1745-1801)was a keelman in Ryton, > Northumberland as was his son William (1770-). His son William > (1802-1866) was based in the Winlaton area and was variously listed as a > keelman or waterman and had two sons also watermen. They were John > (1830-) who had a son John (1856-) and Thomas (1839-) > > > ============================== > The RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > 12.8 million individuals and counting. > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ >

I have two families of watermen in my family tree and would be interested in hearing from any one interested in them. They are as follows The DODGSON family were based in Knottingley, Yorkshire. Michael, baptised on 18 November 1798 was a waterman as was his son Michael, baptised 2 May 1830 and grandson Frank, born 1859, a seaman William VALLENCE or VALLANS (1745-1801)was a keelman in Ryton, Northumberland as was his son William (1770-). His son William (1802-1866) was based in the Winlaton area and was variously listed as a keelman or waterman and had two sons also watermen. They were John (1830-) who had a son John (1856-) and Thomas (1839-)

Our convict ancestor, John POUNTNEY alias TOMPKINS, was a boat boy from Worcester, according to his papers, and he was born ca. 1822. We have no idea where he was born, or who his parents were. Any information which will help us trace his origins will be more than gratefully received. Anne Jolly e-mail: [email protected] -- www.tasmail.com

My gt.gt.gt.grandfather Joseph AKEROYD was listed as a Waterman at his son Rhodes AKEROYD marriage to Jane ROBINSON in 1840 Pontefract Yks. Rhodes was christened in Walton, Sandal Magna 1810, and also his son Wright (also a waterman on 1881 census) bp 1843, and Rhodes' daughter Sarah Elizabeth AKEROYD bp 1845. John ROBINSON -the father of Rhodes' wife Jane ROBINSON, was also listed as a waterman, both on the marr. cert and on 1851 census for Walton. I have found a death for Rhodes 1854 Knottingley, which I believe is his. I wonder therefore, if either of the above names have cropped up in anyones research with canal data. Since Sandal Magna is close to Wakefield I am presuming (perhaps incorrectly) that they were on the Aire and Calder canals?? I haven't found him on the 1851 census for either Walton, or Pontefract/Knottingley. Yks. Margaret Taylor (Toronto Canada.) Always looking for : Yorkshire-ACKRILL,AKEROYD,BLYTH,BELSHAW,FISHER, GOLDWELL,PALLICER,TAYLOR,SIDDLE,TERRY,THIRSK, WEATHERILL Northumberland-MORROWLEE Lincs -BRANT,CARROTT,DRURY, PICKETT,PROCTOR,SANDERSON,WOODWARD Suffolk, SHELDRAKE,GORHAM Essex-BEAVAN(BEVAN),GILDER(S),HAZLETON,LEE,OSBORN