Gill Do you know Whether these arks were commonplace on the canals ? Carol ----- Original Message ----- From: Gill Foster To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, May 19, 2000 5:42 PM Subject: [CANAL-PEOPLE] Boatmen in the Fens I have a small book called The Floating Ark by John Bennett. There is a list of baptisms conducted on the Ark from 1897 to 1906. If any one has fenland boatmen as ancestors, this could be useful. Please get in touch if you would like me to check the list. ============================== Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/

Hello, I'm a new subscriber posting my interests. They are the TREEVES family of Ealing/Brentford. In the 1881 census they were living in Distillery Road, Ealing but the whole family give their place of birth as Brentford, Middlesex. They are: Louisa (widow), 40, Punnet maker Thomas, 22, labourer Eliza, 17, punnet maker Abraham, 14, scholar John, 12, scholar Arthur, 8, scholar Another TREEVES, whom I suspect to be an elder son is living further up the same road. An elderly relative tells of these being connected to the barge folk in some way but is a trifle vague as to how and where. Any info gratefully received, and of course happy to cross-refer. Regards, Mike Doyle Kent, UK

Phil, I am holding my breath here! Now the connection I have (not sure what it is yet), my great grand mother, Mary Ann Millward (nee Owen) had her first son, George in 1853 at Lower Green, Tipton. He only lived 10 days and on his death certificate the informant of the death was a Mary Ann Bridges of Lower Green, Tipton. Trying to find her on the 1851 census I found her at Alpha Terrace, Upper Green, Tipton with Nancy Bridges, widow aged 85. Her occupation was pauper boatwoman, born in Oldbury, Worcestershire. Her relationship looks like grand daughter. At 207 Upper Green there is Alfred Bridges, wife Mary and their family, Harriet, John, Mary Ann and Alfred. Two Bridges, Alice and John pop up again on the 1871 census for Birmingham. She is aged 19 and he is aged 16, both born in Tipton and his occupation is boatman. I am not sure of the relationship, but it looked like Sister in Law and brother in law. In Mary Ann Millward's will dated 1902 she lbequeaths to her neice, Rose Ann Bridges her sewing machine. Apart from these odd sightings, I have not been able to connect to any other Bridges. Mary Ann Millward was born in Coventry. Her father's name was George Owen and he was a Farrier. Have not confirmed her mother's name. That's it, that's all I know. Look forward to hearing from you. Jackie Kidderminster, UK Researching MILLWARD, COTTERILL, OWEN (Coventry), COOK (Bristol &Taunton), GREGORY (London & Bristol), DUNMORE, LOWE

Dear Alan Looking back through old messages, I noticed your name. I have just come across a Phillis Ellen Hale of Allen's Engine, babtised on 3 November 1901 on the Floating Church in Holme Parish. This lady was on a list in a small book called The Fenland Ark by John Bennett. Emily Allen, harmonium player, is also mentioned.Let me know if you want to know more about the book. Possibly this is a red herring but perhaps not! Gill Foster ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan Hale <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 21, 2000 1:34 PM Subject: [CANAL-PEOPLE] Census help Required > Hello All > > I hope SKS will be able to help. I have scant details of my family on a boat called Cornelius on the 1861 census at New Brentford. They are:- > > Joseph Hale Head 37 > Clara Hale Wife 29 > Joseph Son 16 > George Son 4 > Robert Son 2 > Sophia Daughter 3 months. > > Can anybody tell me which records office I can get a copy of the relevant page? > Does the 1861 census have a named indexed at that office? > Failing that any ideas for the Reference required to order a copy by post? > > Alan Hale chasing the relative between the Midlands and New Brentford > > > ============================== > Search ALL of RootsWeb's mailing lists in real time. > RootsWeb's Personalized Mailing Lists: > http://pml.rootsweb.com/ > >

I have a small book called The Floating Ark by John Bennett. There is a list of baptisms conducted on the Ark from 1897 to 1906. If any one has fenland boatmen as ancestors, this could be useful. Please get in touch if you would like me to check the list.

Hi Lorna, I have a Thomas YARNOLD b 1838 Birmingham m Mary Elizabeth (Unknown) who was b in 1841 Malvern Worc. Would he be of any connection to your William? 1881 Census: Issue of Thomas YARNOLD and Mary: James W b 1864 Inkburrow Worc. Thomas H b 1866 Malvern Worc. Arthur b 1865 Malvern Worc Frank b 1871 Wolverhampton Sts Annie L b 1878 Wednesbury Sts Charles b 1880 Wednesbury Sts Maud E b 1881 Kidderminster Worc. Mary Elizabeth b 1876 Shrifnal Shropshire m Owen Albert Taylor. Issue of Mary and Owen TAYLOR: Edith Harriett TAYLOR ch 31.5.1908 m John (known as Jack) Overton FELLOWS (my g.mother's brother) b 19.1.1903 Ashley Morton Say Sts. The Jack FELLOWS was a Carrier in Frankton Junction New Zealand, his father also John Overton FELLOWS was a farm Bailiff at Rownal Hall at one time. Diane, Auckland, New Zealand email: [email protected] > I to have Dale Boatmen My great great grandmother Caroline Dale born abt > 1833 Tipton Staffs? married my gg grandfather William Yarnold/Yarnall > boatman at St Thomas Dudley Worcs 17/11/1851, Her father Joseph Dale > boatman died 5/10/1846 at Toll End Tipton Staffordshire aged 70 Julia > Dale in attendance. > 1841 Census Tipton > Joseph Dale 60 Boatman > Sarah " 49 > Joseph " 31 Boatman > Jane " 35 > Elizabeth " 14 > Caroline " 8 > 1861 Census Tipton Ockerhill Road > Joseph Dale Hd M 52 Boatman Bambury > Jane " wife " 59 Harstone Staffs > Henry " Nephew 18 Boatman Tipton Staffs > 1881 Census Blisworth Northants > William Yarnold?Yarnall Hd M 54 Captain (Gainsborough) Killwincester > Staffs > > should beKidderminster Worcs > Caroline " wife > 49 Tipton Staffs > Sarah " dau > 25 " " > Jane " " > 24 " " > Julia " " > 21 " " > Mary " " 13 > > James Dale Hd w 74 Captain (Pendleton ) Tipton Staffs > James " grandson un 18 hand > " " > William Yarnold/Yarnall 11 " > " " > I'm a bit stuck on this line as I cannot find where Caroline was born or > her fathers birth. > regards Lorna York > > > ============================== > Personalized Mailing Lists: never miss a connection again. > http://pml.rootsweb.com/ > Brought to you by RootsWeb.com. >

I have two canal interests. I believe Owen Ryan was working on building the Delaware and Chesapeake canal in 1825 when my great-great-grandfather John Joseph Ryan was born in MD. John later moved to Berks County, PA and was a boatman on the Schuylkill Canal in Douglassville, PA. Many of the Irish boatman in this area are buried in the St. Paul's Mission Church cemetery in Douglassville and I do have a listing of some of the burials there. Anyone out there have any information on my Ryans? Colleen Ryan Beener

Jackie, I do have Robert with father John but not much use to you I'm afraid! they were butchers in Stockport mid 19C. More info if you need it. Have you noticed Jesse and family on the canal at Audlem Wharf in 1881? Regards, Eric MILLWARD of Marple, Cheshire [email protected]

Greetings canal people, I haven't seen many posts about U.S. canal people so let me see if I can make some connections with this community. Delaware and Lehigh Canal - I have paternal g-g-grandfather, George Fretz Wagner, who worked on this canal for several years beginning in about 1854. Earlier he had been a farmer, school teacher, and "practical surveyor," and Clerk of the Oprhan's Court--all in Bucks County, Pennsylvania. Schulykill Canal - I have a maternal g-g-grandfather, Valentine Frey, who worked on this canal for his entire life after emigrating to U.S. with his parents in about 1833. His father Jacob and older brother George were farmers, Valentine and his younger brother Jacob were boatmen. Valentine's canal boat was the Jeremiah Lutz. In the 1890 Schuylkill County Census Directory Valentine is shown living on Dock Street in Schuylkill Haven, PA with his 2nd wife Amelia and a daughter Emaline, a milliner. Anybody interested in these 2 canals and the families who work on them? Scott Wagner in Newport News, VA USA

Hello Jackie Any connection with Bridges in Oldbury, boatee family, Mrs came from just north of worcester Phil In Hales Owen >Hi Eric, Not sure about the sharing. I would just LOVE to get a connection >somewhere with my Millward. This is my Dad's side of the family and we are >There seems to be some connection with a family called Bridges at Tipton, who >were also boat people, but quite what it is I have not worked out as yet.

I to have Dale Boatmen My great great grandmother Caroline Dale born abt 1833 Tipton Staffs? married my gg grandfather William Yarnold/Yarnall boatman at St Thomas Dudley Worcs 17/11/1851, Her father Joseph Dale boatman died 5/10/1846 at Toll End Tipton Staffordshire aged 70 Julia Dale in attendance. 1841 Census Tipton Joseph Dale 60 Boatman Sarah " 49 Joseph " 31 Boatman Jane " 35 Elizabeth " 14 Caroline " 8 1861 Census Tipton Ockerhill Road Joseph Dale Hd M 52 Boatman Bambury Jane " wife " 59 Harstone Staffs Henry " Nephew 18 Boatman Tipton Staffs 1881 Census Blisworth Northants William Yarnold?Yarnall Hd M 54 Captain (Gainsborough) Killwincester Staffs should beKidderminster Worcs Caroline " wife 49 Tipton Staffs Sarah " dau 25 " " Jane " " 24 " " Julia " " 21 " " Mary " " 13 James Dale Hd w 74 Captain (Pendleton ) Tipton Staffs James " grandson un 18 hand " " William Yarnold/Yarnall 11 " " " I'm a bit stuck on this line as I cannot find where Caroline was born or her fathers birth. regards Lorna York

I am trying to find out anything about a man by the name of William DAY who was described as a boatman on his daughters marriage certificate. She married (for the second time) in 1859 at the age of 32/33 and according to the 1861 census was born in Northfield, Worcs. I believe that this is the Northfield that is now under the Birmingham heading. I am interested in this man because he would have been my gggg-grandfather! I have been unable to locate any details from the IGI for the birth, christening or initial marriage of his daughter Sarah DAY and am hence currently hitting a brick wall. Any information about any William DAY who could potentially have been father to Sarah would be appreciated. Thank you in anticipation of any information offered. Keren ELEMENT, Dorchester, Dorset Researching: WHARTON / WHORTON / WORTON / ANDREWS / SOUTHALL / NEALE / McHALE / EDWARDS / MORLEY / BRYANT - largely in the Black Country area

Jackie, Harry DALE (b. abt 1872) was my great grandfather. His father's name was John. He married Mary Ann COOKE (b. Kidsgrove 25 Sep 1871) 28 Oct 1895 in Bucknall. I have no idea where he was born. I cannot find a record at the Registry Office in Hanley. He was buried 12 Mar 1911 in Bucknall. That is all I know to date. I have much work to do on this line, including occupations. Thanks for the response. Laura Bradley Groton Connecticut USA ALLEN - Ipstones, Newchapel, Kidsgrove COOKE - Kidsgrove COX - Frome & Batheaston, Somerset; Goldenhill, Hanley (boatmen) DALE - Bucknall GRIFFITHS - Holywell, Wales ROBERTS - Hanley; Flint, Wales

Hi Eric, Not sure about the sharing. I would just LOVE to get a connection somewhere with my Millward. This is my Dad's side of the family and we are no further forward now than we was 20 years ago apart from the fact that during that time I have filled in some of the blanks. Firstly, I have no ideas as to where my Millwards came from. According to our family bible Robert Millward was born in 1826 in Worcester. No trace of his baptism in the Worcester records. He next pops up in 1852 when he marries Mary Ann Owen, who was born in Coventry. They were married at Wolverhampton and on the marriage certificate his father's name is John and his and Robert's occupations were given as Boatmen. They do not show up on the census for the address given, which was Horsley Fields, Wolverhampton, not have I found them anywhere else. After that I can keep track of them. Their first child was born and died at Tipton. They moved back to Wolverhampton, then to Wem, Shropshire, back to Wolverhampton and on to Birmingham. All this has concisely written in the family bible, but where did Robert come from? I have tried various avenues, down the Severn, Birmingham, around Tipton, but as yet have not tracked him down. There seems to be some connection with a family called Bridges at Tipton, who were also boat people, but quite what it is I have not worked out as yet. So have you a Robert lurking in your tree with a father called John? If I ever find a connection with anybody I think I will jump for joy! Regards Jackie Kidderminster, UK Researching MILLWARD, COTTERILL, OWEN (Coventry), COOK (Bristol &Taunton), GREGORY (London & Bristol), DUNMORE, LOWE

Hello Listers, Does anybody have a connection with this name? COMMANDER seemed to be operating the rivers or canals in Warwickshire/Cheshire/Derbyshire areas, 1840 to 1888. If anyone has an interest I do have more details but not a lot. Kind regards Ann Cape Town

Jackie, Any point in sharing MILLWARD info? You will see DALE here too but is in my wife's pedigree. Regards, Eric MILLWARD of Marple, Cheshire [email protected] Interests in Cheshire, BRUCKSHAW (Stockport),BUCKLEY (Northwich), CHARLESWORTH(Stockport), DALE (Congleton), HANSON (Stockport),HO(U)DSON (Audlem), JOHNSON(Audlem), LEA (Sandbach), LEIGH (Stockport), LEWIS (Warmingham), LITTLER (Stockport), MILLWARD (Stockport), MOORES (Northwich), MOSES (Crewe), NIELD (Macclesfield), PODMORE , SIMCOCK (Audlem), STREET (Nantwich), WASHINGTON (Stockport), WILLIAMSON Stockport) in Derbyshire, HEEDS (Chesterfield), MILLWARD and RADFORD (Ashbourne area), in Lancashire, GROOM and HEEDS and MORGAN and MURPHY and ROBERTS (all Manchester), MORGAN (Liverpool) in Staffordshire, DALE (Audley), HO(U)DSON (Audley), JOHNSON (Mucklestone) in Shropshire, JOHNSON (Mucklestone) in WR Yorkshire, WHITEHEAD (Saddleworth) and coming to Manchester, UK from America before 1820, HOLDEN.

Hi Laura, I also have a DALE in my tree. Martha Jane DALE who, according to the 1881 Census, was born about 1862 in Stafford and married William Cotterill. Have not got any further with this at the moment. Any use to you? Jackie Kidderminster, UK Researching MILLWARD (Worcs & Staffs), COTTERILL(Staffs), OWEN (Coventry), COOK (Bristol &Taunton), GREGORY (London & Bristol), DUNMORE, LOWE (Banbury, Oxon)

Dear Laura, While I am not Eric Millward......... I too have a connection with the DALE family in the Burslem area. My great great grandfather Jospeh BROADHURST married a Maria DALE who was born in Congleton in 1846. I found the family at the following address on the 1881 census:- Dwelling: Port Hill Census Place: Wolstanton, Stafford, England Source: FHL Film 1341648 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 2704 Folio 7 Page 7 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Joseph BROADHURST M 38 M Eaton, Cheshire, England Rel: Head Occ: Gardener Maria BROADHURST M 35 F Congleton, Cheshire, England Rel: Wife Occ: Wife John BROADHURST 13 M Congleton, Cheshire, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Harriet BROADHURST 11 F Oddrode, Cheshire, England Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar John BROADHUSRT is my great grandfather. I have recently found that Maria DALE is buried in Bucknall cum Bagnall cemetery following her death in 1941 at the age of 95. What is your connection to the family? Do you link to Maria at all. I have not yet got her Birth certificate, so do not know her fathers name. Best wishes LInda

John Roberts runs the Inland Waterway Index, an index of canal and river boatmen and allied trades. He can only be contacted by snail mail and at 52, St. Andrews road Sutton Coldfield West Midlands UK B75 6UH He is inundated with enquiries, replies can take several months so be patient. You MUST include an SAE. (My stressing) Phil in Hales Owen >Does anyone have a list of families asociated with the canal boats of the >midlands? >Thanks in advance >Aileen Durn

Know some Swains in Nottingham now! Bubbles from Robin Hood Country. ----- Original Message ----- From: Aileen Durn <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 3:41 PM Subject: Re: [CANAL-PEOPLE] FAMILIES : Hello Bubbles : Did you ever come across the name SWAIN at all, many thanks for your help : Aileen : : : ============================== : Search ALL of RootsWeb's mailing lists in real time. : RootsWeb's Personalized Mailing Lists: : http://pml.rootsweb.com/ : :