This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/7aB.2ACEAE/819.1 Message Board Post: Order Frederick's death certificate from the BC Archives on-line. For $19.95 Cdn., it should give you his birth date. Certainly, everything else matches. Also at the on-line Manitoba Archives, there is a Joseph Barnabe born June 21, 1894; mother's name is given as Delyma Salva. Could this be him? If so, there is a Joseph Arthur born 11/20/1888 with the same mother's name, and a Joseph Ernest born 6/16/1890. In the Catholic faith, it was quite common to give all of the children the same first (religious) name and use their other names as their more commonly used names.