----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon A. Watts" <[email protected]> To: "bonnie" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 11:48 AM Subject: Re: [CCC] Lynton Stewart Bonnie. I have been assured by the National Archivist -- who is on OUR side in this dispute -- that the Census records, when released will be available in all the normal places in which they are currently available. I cannot say for sources outside of Canada whether this will hold true for libraries, etc, but they will also be on line for the world to access and view. If we are unable to get through our amendments to remove the conditions and restrictions of access, those conditions and restrictions will be in force regardless of where access is available. Libraries etc. would be required to get the same assurances and commitment from you as you would be required to give for online access. Jeff has been unable to release the specific commitment required but some time ago he read it to me in a telephone conversation and my interpretation of what it said is on the Post 1901 Census Project website at the URL below. I agree with your assessment as to the reason for the conditions and restrictions, but as Jeff has indicated, there are a number of Cabinet members that strongly support his views on the subject. We must do all that we can to change their minds. As Bill S-13 has now received first reading in the House of Commons, NOW is the time to contact our MPs. Tomorrow may be too late. Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts [email protected] Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "bonnie" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 10:41 AM Subject: Re: [CCC] Lynton Stewart This undertaking is what is the puzzle. Who approves it, and where does it go. By simply withholding a form, they can stop us dead. And where do we get the form, will the libraries have to carry it? If it is on line, what info on us do they want before we can use it. You would need approval all over the place to do your research. I personally use the LSD centers to read cences, I like the form theycome in. My library has very poor lighting for it. Will I need church approval to read it. I am sure they would grant it, but can they get approval to let me. I think they will be stopped in their tracks. Personally I think this should be stopped dead. It is simply a compremise to appease Felligi. This law VIOLATES MY PRICACY. Bonnie At 09:31 AM 5/28/2003 -0700, you wrote: >Roz and all. > >Read the opening statement of Bill S-13. It states: > >"(4) The information contained in the returns of any census of >population taken between 1910 and 2003 may, starting ninety-two years >after the census is taken, be examined by > >(a) a person wishing to conduct genealogical research on their own >behalf or, where authorized by another person, on behalf of that other >person, if the person who will conduct the research signs an undertaking >in the form prescribed by regulation; or > >(a) a person wishing to conduct genealogical research on their own >behalf or, where authorized by another person, on behalf of that other >person, if the person who will conduct the research signs an undertaking >in the form prescribed by regulation; or > >(b) a person wishing to conduct historical research if > >(i) their research project is approved by a person who is a member of a >category of persons prescribed by regulation, and > >(ii) they sign an undertaking in the form prescribed by regulation." > >There is nothing there that states that genealogical research requires >3rd party approval. For historical research, yes, but not for >genealogical research. > >Gordon > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Roz Griston" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 6:26 AM >Subject: RE: [CCC] Lynton Stewart > > >jeff >please cite the exact clause that will allow us to conduct research on >the 1911 without 3rd party approval. > >it may come in handy at a later date. beaucrats listen best when one >can counter their double speak with exact information to confirm a >"right" to access.. >regards >roz > >On Wednesday, May 28, 2003 5:41 AM, Paul, Jeff: SEN >[SMTP:[email protected]] wrote: > > Hey there gang: > > > > Just to clear up the misconception once again. Genealogists will NOT > > be required to get the approval of anyone before conducting research. > > The third party approval only applies to those doing historical > > research. If you are searching your own family, or searching for > > another person's family on their behalf, no third party approval is > > required. That is laid out properly in bill S-13. > > > > If this bill is passed, the 1911 census will be available on line >this > > year to all genealogists who accept the undertaking. > > > > Jeff Paul > > Policy Advisor > > Office of the Hon. Lorna Milne > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: David Rowat [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 1:16 AM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: [CCC] Lynton Stewart > > > > > > I'm sorry to see that Bill Stewart has been removed from the List. >Of > > > > all the arguments expressed by many people on the subject of Bill S- > > 13, > > his were the the most coherent and logical, and he was one of the few > > > > people who made any sense. He reminded me of the little boy who had > > the > > temerity to exclaim that the Emperor was not wearing any clothes. > > I urge everyone to read again the exact wording of Bill S-13, An Act > > to > > amend the Statistics Act. You will find no mention of "tombstone > > information", or short forms or long forms. There is no mention of > > opt-in or opt-out checkboxes either. These topics are mentioned in > > Senator Milne's presentation of the bill to the Senate, but the >actual > > > > words of the bill itself say something different. I can see in the > > words > > of the bill that an additional 20 years are to be added to the 92 > > years > > of waiting before the census data will be released, making a total of > > > > 112 years. Anyone wishing to examine the census in those last 20 >years > > > > must first demonstrate that his "historical research project" has >some > > > > public and scientific value. The approval of the project will be by > > persons to be determined later, and the applicant will be required to > > > > sign an undertaking "in the form prescribed by regulation", whatever > > that means. Do not assume anything is in this bill unless it is > > written > > there, and think carefully about what it does say. This bill does > > absolutely nothing for genealogy and to call it "flawed" is to be > > charitable. > > In the words of Lynton Stewart, anyone who supports this bill should > > be > > ashamed. > > > > David Rowat > > > > > > ==== CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN Mailing List ==== > > Read Gordon A. Watts' column on Post 1901 Census issues at > > http://globalgazette.net > > > > > > > > ==== CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN Mailing List ==== > > Keep up to date on Post 1901 Census Issues at > > http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/ > > en francais http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm > > > > > >==== CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN Mailing List ==== >How to unsubscribe from Digest Mode. 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