after, i posted yesterday, a thought crossed my mind. at town council meetings, mayors and council often declare "such and such" national month/week/day. token moves really, but the media attends these council meetings..ergo, it then brings the census issue home to small communities. if we could co-ordinate with various genealogical/historical and heritage societies to have them assist with a national release the census day. this could go across canada and hit every community. we would need someone in each community/and or province to either make a presentation to the town council, or at least send a letter to the town council requesting that the community recognize this date. the more exhuberant (sp) among us could get out and set up mall/shopping centre displays. complete with petitions, and information. we would need to pick a date and be organized to act upon that date. what's crossing my mind is labour day. it would give us the lead time (maybe, if the legislation doesn't go through by then.) furthermore, there are many labour councils (who hold labour day picnics/family gatherings) who may assist us. after all it was their ancestors blood, sweat and tears who went into organizing labour rights, and just pure and simple a more compassionate society. these ppl shouldn't be lost/forgotten because of beaucratic legislation. anyhow, something to think on. roz On Sunday, May 18, 2003 9:10 AM, Gordon A. Watts [SMTP:[email protected]] wrote: > Greetings all. > > Following the posting of Bob Westbury's message regarding a discussion > of "civil disobedience" I feel some clarification is needed. > > Long time CCC listers will be aware that from time to time the > question of civil disobedience has come up, and that when it did I > have tended to discourage it. I am honestly not a large fan of civil > disobedience -- not entirely because of legal implications, but also > because of considerations regarding what could be done, and how it > could be implemented. Because we are so spread out across the > country it is difficult to coordinate any specific activity. > > Prior to Bob posting his message I had a two hour meeting with him at > his home in Calgary. Included in our discussion was the possibility > of civil disobedience and we had a good go-around regarding this. In > the end run I agreed that Bob could post his message about civil > disobedience provided that he did so in the form of a question for > discussion purposes. This he has done. > > A discussion regarding civil disobedience need not entail only those > items that are "against the law". As Lois has pointed out, > counseling others to break the law could have legal repercussions. > So far as I am aware discussing and questioning possibiltities does > not. > > I would like to see a good discussion regarding any possibilities to > bring our issue to the public. Something I would personally like to > see is a picket line at the Parliament Buildings in Ottawa that would > bring to the attention of the media and the public what we are trying > to accomplish, and the drawbacks to the conditions and restrictions > of S-13. On my trips to Ottawa I have seen similar activities taking > place at the Parliament buildings. This is something, however, that > would have to be organized and implemented by someone onsite in > Ottawa. It is not something that I could do from my location in > British Columbia. > > Others may have different ideas, but my personal feelings are that for > the time being, discussions regarding civil disobedience should be > restricted to the CCC list. > > Happy Hunting. > > Gordon > > > ==== CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN Mailing List ==== > How to unsubscribe from Digest Mode. Send a message to > [email protected] that contains > (in the Subject line and body of the message) the command > -- unsubscribe -- and no additional text. >

Many thanks for a great idea, Roz! I have written to the Mayor of the City of Brampton, asking for support -- to date not one city, town or village has gone on record as supporting census release. However, your idea is great -- if coordinated Canada-wide. and the suggestion of Labour Day time period gives a great deal of time for organization. It takes almost a month to receive a definite reply from a city council meeting -- and yes, press representatives do attend. Let's expand this Canada-wide theme -- offer suggestions, keeping in mind YOUR community and acceptance of ideas. Muriel M. Davidson [email protected] [One who has attended many meetings as press representative] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roz Griston" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2003 1:43 PM Subject: RE: [CCC] Regarding "End Game" after, i posted yesterday, a thought crossed my mind. at town council meetings, mayors and council often declare "such and such" national month/week/day. token moves really, but the media attends these council meetings..ergo, it then brings the census issue home to small communities. if we could co-ordinate with various genealogical/historical and heritage societies to have them assist with a national "release the census" day. this could go across canada and hit every community. we would need someone in each community/and or province to either make a presentation to the town council, or at least send a letter to the town council requesting that the community recognize this date. the more exhuberant (sp) among us could get out and set up mall/shopping centre displays. complete with petitions, and information. we would need to pick a date and be organized to act upon that date. what's crossing my mind is labour day. it would give us the lead time (maybe, if the legislation doesn't go through by then.) furthermore, there are many labour councils (who hold labour day picnics/family gatherings) who may assist us. after all it was their ancestors blood, sweat and tears who went into organizing labour rights, and just pure and simple a more compassionate society. these ppl shouldn't be lost/forgotten because of beaucratic legislation. anyhow, something to think on. roz =========== On Sunday, May 18, 2003 9:10 AM, Gordon A. Watts [SMTP:[email protected]] wrote: Greetings all. Following the posting of Bob Westbury's message regarding a discussion of "civil disobedience" I feel some clarification is needed. Long time CCC listers will be aware that from time to time the question of civil disobedience has come up, and that when it did I have tended to discourage it. I am honestly not a large fan of civil disobedience -- not entirely because of legal implications, but also because of considerations regarding what could be done, and how it could be implemented. Because we are so spread out across the country it is difficult to coordinate any specific activity. Prior to Bob posting his message I had a two hour meeting with him at his home in Calgary. Included in our discussion was the possibility of civil disobedience and we had a good go-around regarding this. In the end run I agreed that Bob could post his message about civil disobedience provided that he did so in the form of a question for discussion purposes. This he has done. A discussion regarding civil disobedience need not entail only those items that are "against the law". As Lois has pointed out, counseling others to break the law could have legal repercussions. So far as I am aware discussing and questioning possibiltities does not. I would like to see a good discussion regarding any possibilities to bring our issue to the public. Something I would personally like to see is a picket line at the Parliament Buildings in Ottawa that would bring to the attention of the media and the public what we are trying to accomplish, and the drawbacks to the conditions and restrictions of S-13. On my trips to Ottawa I have seen similar activities taking place at the Parliament buildings. This is something, however, that would have to be organized and implemented by someone onsite in Ottawa. It is not something that I could do from my location in British Columbia. Others may have different ideas, but my personal feelings are that for the time being, discussions regarding civil disobedience should be restricted to the CCC list. Happy Hunting. Gordon --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.481 / Virus Database: 277 - Release Date: 5/13/03