Lynton, Muriel and others: Both Muriel and Lynton are correct here to some degree, so I want to clarify. I said that the government will instruct its members to vote against any amendments. There are lots of MPs that don't follow instructions. If enough of them are convinced not to follow instructions, an amendment could pass, but it will be difficult. It will be impossible to convince cabinet ministers and parliamentary secretaries (roughly 60 MPs in total) to not follow instructions. Jeff Paul -----Original Message----- From: Lynton Stewart [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 11:45 PM To: [email protected]b.com Subject: Re: [CCC] what local people think Muriel: If you want to knock me, feel free to do so. But, please do not lie about me, or about my family. 1. My father was born in Canada, of Canadian parents. His family has been in what is now Canada since long before the Europeans arrived. His European ancestors have been in Canada since 1784. He was always a Canadian, and NEVER became a U.S. Citizen. He died a Canadian in 1978. You know that, we have discussed it at length. Why do you want to spread falsehoods? You said about me, and I quote, "he is what I call a rabble rouser, stirring things up, lives in the United States, cross because his parents became American citizens in 1947 -- that is why he lost his Canadian citizenship". Yes, I live in the United States of America, and I'm not the least bit ashamed of that. I was born in the United States of America, and I am not ashamed of that either. As to whether or not I am a rabble rouser, well, I don't consider the people that read the notes on this list rabble. Perhaps you do? I do hope to rouse them up though, because disaster is about to befall the Genealogical community inside, and outside of Canada. You KNOW, and you refuse to acknowledge, that Jeff Paul, Senator Lonra Milne's legislative assistant, has stated that the Government WILL NOT ALLOW any amendment to the following areas: 1. There can be NO amendment to the clause requiring that between 92 and 112 years after a census, all access will be under the terms of the "Undertaking". No one will be allowed to publish anything more than "tombstone" information, on their own family line. They may NOT research other family lines, etc. 2. There will be NO amendment to the "Opt Out" clause of S-13. This is the clause that will require that every individual check off a box on all future censuses, giving their permission for their data to be released 92 years later. This will result in virtually ALL census materials never being released to the public. What part of WILL NOT ALLOW, do you not understand? That is very clear and simple language. The Government will not accept Bill S-13, with any amendments to those sections mentioned. If such amendments are proposed, they will be voted down. If, by a miracle, such an amendment were to pass, then the Government will kill the bill rather than allow it to pass. Mr. Paul stated, very, very clearly that if those areas are amended, the Government will instruct its members to vote against the bill. Do you wish to deny that this is what Mr. Paul has said? Do you have ANY EVIDENCE WHAT SO EVER, that Mr. Paul is not correct? Isn't he in a position to know what will, and will not, be acceptable to the governing party? You don't want to face reality, that it is Bill S-13, or NOTHING. The Government has stated what its position is, and that they are unmoveable. WHY KEEP LYING TO FOLKS AND TELLING THEM THAT THERE IS A REAL POSSIBILITY THAT THEY CAN GET THIS BILL AMENDED? You can maybe get a spirited debate on it. So what? The government can ram this thing through, and from what Jeff Paul has said, that is what they are going to do. I know it is horrible for you that your good friend betrayed you so thoroughly. But don't strike out at others, because they refuse to live in a world of fantasy. Please tell me where I am wrong on what I am saying. Don't call me names, point out where the information I am providing is inaccurate. Maybe I missed something. But what I have read, written by Jeff Paul, does not leave much room for hope. You may get your debate, and show all of Canada that the Liberal Government is locking up valuable and needed information needlessly. You will still have to live with S-13, once the government passes it into law. And unless we all can find a way to kill it, that bill, with its most objectionable parts, will become the law. And over time, to every Genealogist and Family Historian with ancestors in Canada, the name of Lorna Milne will become a curseword. Lynton (Bill) Stewart Proud of both my American and Canadian Ancestry ==== CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN Mailing List ==== Read Gordon A. Watts' column on Post 1901 Census issues at http://globalgazette.net