Hello Muriel True, he is not up to date, and will never be so. Becasue he has been assured that all is well and he does not need to do anything more. He thinks it is all over. And he said he heard this from Senater Milne. What is going on. I would like to know. Bonnie At 10:10 PM 5/21/2003 -0400, you wrote: >Hello Bonnie:- > >Did you not read my message last evening that another >political party was holding "up the works" - Third Reading >and Voting? >Whoever is in the genealogy club is not up-to-date. >The dear Senators will likely pass S-13 as is -- then we >hope our ELECTED Members of Parliament might be able to >do something. If they succeed, the bill will have to then go back >to the Senate for further approval. > >If you are listening to Lynton Stewart, he is what I call a rabble >rouser, stirring things up, lives in United States, cross because >his parents became American citizens in 1947 -- that is why >he lost his Canadian citizenship. > >Muriel >----- Original Message ----- >From: "bonnie" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 2:04 PM >Subject: [CCC] what local people think > > > > Hello > > I just wanted to let you know that I went to the president of the local > > geno club to ask him to get the club to go to city hall. > > His answer, According to Senitor Milne, it is all under control and the > > extra conditions are nothing. We do not have to do anything more. > > What is she trying to do? > > Bonnie > > > > At 03:56 PM 5/19/2003 -0700, you wrote: > > >I suspect that Senator Fraser is telling exactly the truth. > > > Based upon the arguement set forth regarding Bill S-13, > > >she supports it as is. > > > > > >I have followed the posted material about the debate. The > > >support for any form of amendment in the Senate has been > > >tepid, at best. Not one person, especially the Senator > > >sponsoring the bill, has made any kind of real arguement as > > >to why it should be amended. It is all generalities, and > > >placation of the opposition. > > > > > >READ the stuff that has been posted. Go and look at the > > >Hansard Index. Find out what your Senator is saying, if > > >anything. Read the actual "arguement" and find out what is > > >actually being said. I suspect that a good many of the > > >people on this list would get very angry if they read every > > >word that Senator Milne has actually said about this bill > > >in the Senate. > > > > > >There is virtually no chance at all that this bill will > > >ever be amended to any significant degree. The government > > >will not allow any significant amendments. Look at how > > >this was ramrodded through the Senate. It will be the same > > >thing in the House. > > > > > >Why doesn't someone directly ask either Jeff Paul or > > >Senator Milne, "Exactly how much of an amendment will the > > >Government allow, before they withdraw their support for > > >this bill? Will they allow an "Opt Out" clause on future > > >censuses? Will they allow an ammendment that would > > >eliminate the 20 year period of time before full disclosure > > >of census data is allowed?" > > > > > >See if you get an honest answer to those specific > > >questions. > > > > > >They are at the heart of what is wrong with Bill S-13. I > > >will predict that you will never get an honest and direct > > >answer to those questions. If you do, you will be told > > >that no significant changes can be made to any of those > > >areas. But what I expect you will get are what we call, > > >"weasel words". Not a direct answer, but a lot of manure > > >about the legislative process, etc. > > > > > >Because I have been so outspoken about this bill, I have > > >been informed that at least one member of the Government > > >will no longer support my quest to resume my Canadian > > >Citizenship. So be it. It was my understanding that > > >Canada has freedom of speech. It sppears, that some people > > >in the Government do not really believe in the concept. > > > > > >I will not be stilled. Bill S-13 is a very bad bill. It > > >will restrict all of our access to Canadian Censuses during > > >our lifetimes. Unfortunately, it will virtually totally > > >cut our grandchildren and great-grandchildren off from all > > >Census data from 2006 onward. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >===== > > >Lynton (Bill) Stewart > > >A former dual Canadian and U.S. Citizen, who's Canadian Citizenship was > > >automatically stripped away without any notice, due to the fact that I >was > > >born prior to 1947. My siblings born after that date get to resume their > > >Canadian Citizenship. I do not have that same right. > > > > > >Searching for Moore, McLennan, Peers, Stewart, Thompson in NS;. Black, > > >Foulds, Johnston and Stewart in MB; Provorse, Wright in ON, and Black, > > >Foulds & Stewart in SK & BC. > > > > > > > > >==== CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN Mailing List ==== > > >Download Post 1901 Census petitions at > > > http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/ > > >en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm > > > > > > > > > > ==== CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN Mailing List ==== > > How to unsubscribe from Digest Mode. Send a message to > > [email protected] that contains > > (in the Subject line and body of the message) the command > > -- unsubscribe -- and no additional text. > > > > > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.483 / Virus Database: 279 - Release Date: 5/19/03

Muriel: If you want to knock me, feel free to do so. But, please do not lie about me, or about my family. 1. My father was born in Canada, of Canadian parents. His family has been in what is now Canada since long before the Europeans arrived. His European ancestors have been in Canada since 1784. He was always a Canadian, and NEVER became a U.S. Citizen. He died a Canadian in 1978. You know that, we have discussed it at length. Why do you want to spread falsehoods? You said about me, and I quote, "he is what I call a rabble rouser, stirring things up, lives in the United States, cross because his parents became American citizens in 1947 -- that is why he lost his Canadian citizenship". Yes, I live in the United States of America, and I'm not the least bit ashamed of that. I was born in the United States of America, and I am not ashamed of that either. As to whether or not I am a rabble rouser, well, I don't consider the people that read the notes on this list rabble. Perhaps you do? I do hope to rouse them up though, because disaster is about to befall the Genealogical community inside, and outside of Canada. You KNOW, and you refuse to acknowledge, that Jeff Paul, Senator Lonra Milne's legislative assistant, has stated that the Government WILL NOT ALLOW any amendment to the following areas: 1. There can be NO amendment to the clause requiring that between 92 and 112 years after a census, all access will be under the terms of the "Undertaking". No one will be allowed to publish anything more than "tombstone" information, on their own family line. They may NOT research other family lines, etc. 2. There will be NO amendment to the "Opt Out" clause of S-13. This is the clause that will require that every individual check off a box on all future censuses, giving their permission for their data to be released 92 years later. This will result in virtually ALL census materials never being released to the public. What part of WILL NOT ALLOW, do you not understand? That is very clear and simple language. The Government will not accept Bill S-13, with any amendments to those sections mentioned. If such amendments are proposed, they will be voted down. If, by a miracle, such an amendment were to pass, then the Government will kill the bill rather than allow it to pass. Mr. Paul stated, very, very clearly that if those areas are amended, the Government will instruct its members to vote against the bill. Do you wish to deny that this is what Mr. Paul has said? Do you have ANY EVIDENCE WHAT SO EVER, that Mr. Paul is not correct? Isn't he in a position to know what will, and will not, be acceptable to the governing party? You don't want to face reality, that it is Bill S-13, or NOTHING. The Government has stated what its position is, and that they are unmoveable. WHY KEEP LYING TO FOLKS AND TELLING THEM THAT THERE IS A REAL POSSIBILITY THAT THEY CAN GET THIS BILL AMENDED? You can maybe get a spirited debate on it. So what? The government can ram this thing through, and from what Jeff Paul has said, that is what they are going to do. I know it is horrible for you that your good friend betrayed you so thoroughly. But don't strike out at others, because they refuse to live in a world of fantasy. Please tell me where I am wrong on what I am saying. Don't call me names, point out where the information I am providing is inaccurate. Maybe I missed something. But what I have read, written by Jeff Paul, does not leave much room for hope. You may get your debate, and show all of Canada that the Liberal Government is locking up valuable and needed information needlessly. You will still have to live with S-13, once the government passes it into law. And unless we all can find a way to kill it, that bill, with its most objectionable parts, will become the law. And over time, to every Genealogist and Family Historian with ancestors in Canada, the name of Lorna Milne will become a curseword. Lynton (Bill) Stewart Proud of both my American and Canadian Ancestry