yes, the letters and petitions work. i joined this list when it was just celebrating its first year of existance. i've watched mp's and senators swing from no response or fence sitters and even some of those who opposed to come over to our side. i remember the thrill of when we had converted half the house of commons and still kept sending emails/letters to ensure that when it went to vote, we'd still have enough clout, even with absenteeism. muriel is a marvel at producing information and nagging the non-responders into a response. milne has busted her butt to make in roads with the stodgey..hmm the less the friendly senators. she does very well with diplomacy. you may have noticed i don't. she plays the game..politics is like fishing..you just have to use the right bait to hook em..and some just of these big fish will never bite, and that doesn't matter as long as we catch the majority of these power voters. always remember, speaking up and out does gain attention. it helps create awareness. the more public we get the more the mp's begin to take us seriously. so keep those cards/letters emails going to not only your representatives in ottawa, but to the media...talk to your friends and neighbours..get them on board. remind the mp's in public that this is an important issue. meet your mp face to face. ppl from other countries..contact the canadian reps who hold office in the county/district your person of interest is from. remind the elected/appointed offical you still have kinfolk in the area..(even if you haven't found them yet, the politician doesn't need to know that). roz On Thursday, May 29, 2003 12:01 PM, Lori Lauen [SMTP:[email protected]] wrote: > As I stated earlier this is not a matter of Bush. This is only a > matter of > Chretien who represents Canada throwing insults at other governments. > > Should never have happened. > > As for the 1911 census, IMO, there are reasons other than people's > privacy > of 92 yrs ago that is causing problems for the release of it. I know, > > personally that the government is not that concerned when it comes to > > privacy of living people. I don't know if all the letters are going > to do > any good or not when it comes to this. > > Lori > > > >From: Roz Griston <[email protected]> > >To: 'Lori Lauen' <[email protected]>, > >"[email protected]" > ><[email protected]> > >Subject: RE: [CCC] Freedom of Information Request > >Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 11:40:12 -0700 > > > >yes, i too was raised if you can't say something nice don't say it > >all. > >but, some ppl think it is okay for world leaders to bash france, > >germany, russia (formerly the ussr), but we must never ever say > >anything about the usa...and this time its not the usa..it is bush > >the > >ppl of this planet are disgusted with. it is not anti- > >americanism..it > >is anti-bushism. > > > >the census issue also has an international flavour thanks to past > >retirement age dr. ivan fellegi who revamped the american census > >process in 1978, who has been involved with brasil, australia and > >other > >countries and how they now handle their censuses. > > > >chretien's greatest legacy would be to retire fellegi. but, he's in > >pretty darn tight with the new world order which dubya's daddy > >started > >spouting about a couple of decades ago. > > > >yes, lori we a great distance apart in our awareness of what is > >going > >on with this planet. i've chosen to become informed regarding > >important > >issues that will significantly impact on canada such the tarriffs on > >our lumber, wheat, the breaching of fishery protection. > > > >but, we as canadians must not comment on these items..it might > >offend > >the usa..who tend to forget all the things canadians have done for > >the > >american ppl, including risking canadian diplomats lives during the > >iran crisis..yes, we smuggled out americans, we sent help to 9/11. > >we > >opened our airways to possible terrorist attacks to get americans > >and > >other travellers safely to the ground..and then took these strangers > >into our homes. > > > >but that is all forgotten the moment any canadian mentions they have > >a > >problem with bush's foreign policy. so lets continue publically > >bashing > >the former > >iraqi government or zimbawe or anyother nation but the usa..because > >the > >usa might get mad at us and create trade embargos..close the > >borders..meanwhile the european economic leaders are running around > >picking up on trade contracts in latin american and other countries > >who > >refuse to do business with the usa because of its actions regarding > >the > >invasion and occupation of iraq. > > > >now lets see if we can get back on topic and get those post 1906 > >canadian censuses released without any restrictions. > > > >roz > > > >On Thursday, May 29, 2003 10:33 AM, Lori Lauen > >[SMTP:[email protected]] wrote: > > > It is not a matter of defending Bush. You have your views and I > > > have > > > mine > > > but Chetien is our Prime Minister and he should not be running > > > down > > > countries. He is only hurting Canada as a whole. Back to the > > > 1911 > > > census > > > our government is wasting time that could be better spent on > >something > > > else > > > talking about this census that should have just went through > > > considering it > > > is 92 yrs. > > > > > > Lori > > > > > > > > > >From: Roz Griston <[email protected]> > > > >To: 'Lori Lauen' <[email protected]>, > > > >"[email protected]" > > > ><[email protected]> > > > >Subject: RE: [CCC] Freedom of Information Request > > > >Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 10:23:19 -0700 > > > > > > > >i'm not partial..i'll run down any government. do you remember > > > >the > > > >bumper stickers from the 1970's when oil prices were high..they > > > >said..let the eastern bastards freeze. > > > > > > > >chretien also allowed the rcmp to pepper spray and beat canadian > > > >protesters when a foreign genocidal leader came to vancouver > > > >during > > > >an > > > >APEC conference. > > > > > > > >read the the urls..then defend bush. > > > >roz > > > > > > > > > > > >On Thursday, May 29, 2003 10:12 AM, Lori Lauen > > > >[SMTP:[email protected]] wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Let's not run down other governments. Chetien does enough of > > > > > that > > > > > for > > > > > all of > > > > > Canada even though he has publicly stated he don't like > > > > > western > > > > > Canada. > > > > > > > > > > >From: Roz Griston <[email protected]> > > > > > >To: CANADA-CENSUS-CA[email protected] > > > > > >Subject: RE: [CCC] Freedom of Information Request > > > > > >Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 10:03:31 -0700 > > > > > > > > > > > >but you believe bush and his followers..the coalition of the > > > > > >willing > > > > > >aka COWs. check out this url. > > > > > >http://www.awolbush.com > > > > > >scroll to the bottom of that page..look at the graphs > > > > > >showing > > > > > >the > > > > > >american economy for the last 3 presidents. > > > > > > > > > > > >surf around the web page and its links..and then get surfing > > > > > >the > > > > > >internet. it won't take you long to learn that gulf 2 was an > > > > > >unjust > > > > > >war..an illegal war all so bush and his oil buddies could > > > > > >control > > > > > >middle eastern oil. > > > > > > > > > > > >surf for zalmay and haliburton. > > > > > >learn that vice president dick cheney's dau mary, went to > >baghdad > > > > > >as > > > > > >a > > > > > >human shield along with 50 other children of diplomats > > > > > >including > > > > > >sasha > > > > > >trudeau, and norman graham (son of canada's foreign > > > > > >minister). > > > > > > > > > > > >learn that bush has locked up all presidental records in > > > > > >perpetuity..erasing the normal 25 year disclosure law. > > > > > > > > > > > >learn how um qasar was levelled. learn that napalm was used > > > > > >in > > > > > >gulf > > > > > >2. > > > > > > > > > > > >learn about the patriot acts and the homeland security acts. > >wake > > > > > >up > > > > > >ppl. > > > > > > > > > > > >i'm not a fan of chretien, but i will say i'm extremely > > > > > >pleased > > > > > >he > > > > > >is > > > > > >standing up to bush and his ilk. WHY? > > > > > >because chretien is retiring..he doesn't have to worry about > > > > > >who > > > > > >is > > > > > >going to fund him in the next election. > > > > > > > > > > > >well..enough of a flame. if any one would like to continue > > > > > >this > > > > > >off > > > > > >list..feel free to contact me. i can refer you to tons of > > > > > >mainstream > > > > > >media reports..to the usa senate where resolutions were > > > > > >presented > > > > > >prepping for attacks on iran and syria..gulf 2 isn't over by > > > > > >a > > > > > >long > > > > > >shot. bush and his buds want an oil pipeline across asia. > > > > > > > > > > > >did you know the usa cut of oil supplies to korea and that's > > > > > >when > > > > > >korea > > > > > >fired up its nuclear reactors..yeah to get heat and > > > > > >electricity > > > > > >to > > > > > >north korea's ppl..imagine living in winnipeg with out heat > > > > > >or > > > > > >lights > > > > > >in winter. > > > > > > > > > > > >wake up..check out http://www.votetoimpeach.org > > > > > > > > > > > >roz ..with american ancestry back to 1617, descended from > > > > > >several > > > > > >rev > > > > > >war ancestors. > > > > > > > > > > > >millions of americans don't support bush..but if they > > > > > >publically > > > > > >voice > > > > > >that opinion they are labelled unpatriotic..so much for the > > > > > >land > > > > > >of > > > > > >the > > > > > >free. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >On Thursday, May 29, 2003 9:13 AM, Lori Lauen > > > > > >[SMTP:[email protected]] wrote: > > > > > > > Bith, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree with you. As far as the 1911 census go I won't > > > > > > > believe > > > > > > > it, > > > > > >no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matter what is said, until it is a done deal. Over the > > > > > > > years > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > found > > > > > > > most of the information given to constituents is done just > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > appease > > > > > > > for a > > > > > > > time. Jean Chetien is very good at running his mouth off > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > governments but he is horrible at running his own country. > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > don't > > > > > > > believe > > > > > > > anything that comes from him or his followers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lori > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: [email protected] > > > > > > > >To: [email protected] > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [CCC] Freedom of Information Request > > > > > > > >Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 07:37:42 EDT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >April > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I spoke to my MP (Ivan Gross - Lib) 6 years ago at his > > > > > > > >annual > > > > > > > >Canada > > > > > > > >Day > > > > > > > >event. He was spouting off about the Freedom of > > > > > > > >Information > > > >Act, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >that we > > > > > > > >should > > > > > > > >be able to get it, etc. To my face, very supportive. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Then he went back to Ottawa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >He did a 180 degree turn around. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >He is just another of Chretien's puppets. I can tell, > > > > > > > >becuase > > > > > > > >I > > > > > > > >just got > > > > > > > >one of his "newsletters" that keep his constituents up > > > > > > > >to > > > > > > > >date > > > > > > > >with > > > > > > > >things. > > > > > > > > It > > > > > > > >was full of why Canada should not have supported the USA > > > > > > > >and > > > > > > > >Britain > > > > > > > >in the > > > > > > > >war in Iraq. (Another thing I disagree with my > > > > > > > >government > > > > > > > >about.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >With a dictator like Chretien, it hard to have anything > > > > > > > >but > > > > > > > >puppets > > > > > > > >though > > > > > > > >if > > > > > > > >the person wants to retain their seat as a liberal. Not > > > > > > > >all > > > > > > > >politicians > > > > > > > >have > > > > > > > >the fortitude of John Nunziata (hope I spelled that > > > > > > > >correctly) > > > > > > > >to > > > > > > > >walk away > > > > > > > >from party affiliation if they don't agree with what the > > > > > > > >party > > > > > > > >is > > > > > > > >doing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Bith on Oshawa, ON > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > >How to unsubscribe from Digest Mode. 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