Good Morning Gwen, The Census Campaign - is a group of people working together , with hopes of having the various census released in their due time.The effort started with the 1901 Census. - For some ,well before the committee was formed - or even considered. You Do Not Need - the persons in the Census Campaign - Census Committee to agree - or disagree. This is a personal choice. You are free to write to whoever you wish. It would be interesting to the Committee - to know if and what sort of response you receive. but writing the letter is entirely Your Choice. *Do you know where your father was born? Was he adopted etc.? Have you [ or your father] attempted to obtain a birth registration - Long Form Certificate. {some of the early certificates do not have much information - some only showing the name of the person registering the birth - and may not be a birth parent - but physician, grandparent etc.] *Registration of All Canadians over the age of 16 years - early 1940's This information is available - the cost aprox $48.15 - returned if no information found. Wishing you much luck, whatever you decide. Cheers, Stella At 02:49 PM 8/6/04 -0300, Gwen & Peter Christie wrote: >:Hi Martin: I need to see it badly as well. My father, b. about 1907, >never knew who his parents were and died still crying to know the answer. I >might not be able to find him, but I sure would like to try. If the >Campaign folks agree, I'll also write him a letter. Gwen Christie, Nova >Scotia >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > I am very anxious to find one of my ancestral families in the > > 1911 census, as there is some confusion about when several family > > members came to Canada. Why don't I write to Dr. Felegi and ask > > him to do this look-up for me since he has custody of all the data? > > > > I can give him all the family names and their ages and the 2 > > addresses they lived at, one before the census and one after > > (obtained from directories). And if he requires it, I can prove > > my relationship to the family. I will even sign a waiver > > agreeing that I will make no personal profit from the information > > he provides, and I will do nothing that would violate *his* > > personal privacy when I publish *my* family history. How could he object? >Just a thought. ... Martin Potter > > > >==== CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN Mailing List ==== >How to unsubscribe from Digest Mode. Send a message to >CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN-D-request@rootsweb.com that contains >(in the Subject line and body of the message) the command >-- unsubscribe -- and no additional text.

I am very anxious to find one of my ancestral families in the 1911 census, as there is some confusion about when several family members came to Canada. Why don't I write to Dr. Felegi and ask him to do this look-up for me since he has custody of all the data? I can give him all the family names and their ages and the 2 addresses they lived at, one before the census and one after (obtained from directories). And if he requires it, I can prove my relationship to the family. I will even sign a waiver agreeing that I will make no personal profit from the information he provides, and I will do nothing that would violate *his* personal privacy when I publish *my* family history. How could he object? Just a thought. ... Martin Potter

Good Morning Martin, I tried that many years ago - prior to the Canada Census Campaign.when I was trying to determine where my Ggrandfather was [he was an a passenger list for 1898] arriving in Halifax N.S.,but no further sight of him. I also needed to know when my grandparents 3 daughters [all born in Canada] passed away within 2 days -so that I could possibly find where they were buried,hopefully in time for our family reunion in Alberta. Vital Stats could not find their death regs. Naturally - my request for Census information [ I did not ask for personal information -copies - only if the names appear ] was denied - very nicely and with regrets. With the release of the 1906 Census - found that the girls do not appear with the family [my research timeline is now reserved to 1904 when one was born - and pre 1906 Census.] Might be interesting to write and request info. at this time. Cheers, Stella At 10:20 AM 8/6/04 -0400, Martin H. Potter wrote: >I am very anxious to find one of my ancestral families in the 1911 census, >as there is some confusion about when several family members came to >Canada. Why don't I write to Dr. Felegi and ask him to do this look-up >for me since he has custody of all the data? > >I can give him all the family names and their ages and the 2 addresses >they lived at, one before the census and one after (obtained from >directories). And if he requires it, I can prove my relationship to the >family. I will even sign a waiver agreeing that I will make no personal >profit from the information he provides, and I will do nothing that would >violate *his* personal privacy when I publish *my* family history. How >could he object? > >Just a thought. > >... Martin Potter > > > > > >==== CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN Mailing List ==== >How to unsubscribe from Mail Mode. Send a message to >CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN-L-request@rootsweb.com that contains (in the >Subject line and body of the message) the command -- unsubscribe -- and >no additional text.

Hi Lois Happy to hear you are going to push forward with this. I for one will be happy to chip in once again if more funds are needed. Good luck. Patty http://pasttimes.topcities.com/

Greetings All. After due consideration and consultation our lawyer, Lois Sparling, has decided to appeal the Federal Court decision denying our application for either a declaration of law that the National Archivist already has care and control of the 1911 Census records or directing the Chief Statistician to release care and control of the 1911 Census to the National Archivist. The appeal will be to the Federal Court of Appeal. At the present time funding from earlier contributions is sufficient to get things started. Should further funding be required in the future we will advise how you may assist at that time. This morning I spoke with Dan O'Donnell, investigator in the Office of the Information Commissioner. The wheels of government grind slowly and it would appear that there is nothing different in this as regards our complaints against Statistics Canada. Once again there has been some delays, although Mr. O'Donnell assured me today that things are now in the final administrative stages. He has received Statistics Canada's response to the Information Commissioner's correspondence with them and in fact was working on our file when I called. Unfortunately Mr. O'Donnell was unable to advise me either what the Information Commissioner's position is or how Statistics Canada has responded. Mr. O'Donnell now expects that our letters of response from the Information Commissioner should be forthcoming before the end of August. As usual he indicated that should there be any change in the status of our complaints he would contact me. While further delay is disappointing we are unable to do anything about it. We will have to extend our patience and cross our fingers a little longer. Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Co-chair Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census en francais http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Index_f Permission to forward without notice is granted

Dear list, After due consideration and consultations, I have decided to appeal the Federal Court decision denying our application for either a declaration of law that the National Archivist already has care and control of the 1911 census material or directing the Chief Statistician to release care and control of the 1911 census to the National Archivist. The appeal will be to the Federal Court of Appeal. I will let you all know if we need to raise more money. At this time we still have most of the money raised for the original application. This is more than enough for us to get this started. Lois Sparling

To all who are waiting for the 1911 census:- Have you ever tried searching via McAlpine's Directory? The following is only for Nova Scotia and the 18 counties, but I am certain one is available for other provinces. The date listed was McAlpine's 1902, but covers 1907-1908 http://www.gov.ns.ca/nsarm/cap/directory/ I checked for my family members in Queens County then checked Guysborough County. Believe it or not, the DAVIS surname was still recorded as of that date -- later changed to DAVIDSON, which has made research very difficult. The results you find are printable!! A search will give name, occupation and place of residence [Ecum Secum]. Muriel --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.733 / Virus Database: 487 - Release Date: 8/2/04

A very interesting site from the Université du Québec à Chicoutimi, mainly in French, on the impact of potential copyright term extension on the social sciences in Canada. The same issues apply, mutatis mutandis, to those engaged in family and local history: En français : http://tinyurl.com/4sxlr In English: http://tinyurl.com/3tzzc The family history and archival research community really needs to make itself more vocal on this issue.

To Belinda Stronach, MP -- Newmarket-Aurora Congratulations on your election in the Newmarket-Aurora riding. We sincerely hope you will be in agreement with the following. Canadians, assisted by people of other countries, have been working since March 1999 for the release of the 1911 census records, which were scheduled to have been released June 1, 2003. Census records are not only necessary when searching for family members, but these were also the last records enumerated before World War One. To date we have both 1901 and 1906 online, the latter of three provinces http://automatedgenealogy.com/ If you check you will notice only basic details are given - no private data as this is only an index. More information is given on microfiche, for example, my grandfather earned $1600.00 in 1901 -- good money at that time. Microfiche records also include Religion, Origin, Nationality, Occupation. The Canada Census Committee have a scoreboard -- you are on http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/Score3.htm#ON At present we do not have an existing census release bill, but are collecting petitions -- see http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/ Sincerely hope you will exchange the Blue ? for a Gold tick meaning YES. If not, we request you give us your reasons - 92 years is long enough. Muriel M. Davidson muriel_davidson@sympatico.ca Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee 25 Crestview Avenue, Brampton, ON L6W 2R8 http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~downhome/post1901census.htm --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.732 / Virus Database: 486 - Release Date: 7/29/04

Many thanks, Patty! The addition of my website is appreciated -- it is a repeat of the Global Genealogy one but is also a "coast-to-coast-to-coast" site, formerly Lunenburg County's Canada Census Campaign, then known as LCCCC -- now we simply call it MDCCC. There is also another linkage which includes the Barney Kaufman stylized logo -- very attractive -- one cannot miss it. Muriel ----- Original Message ----- From: "pmcgr" <pmcgr@allstream.net> To: <CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2004 5:38 PM Subject: [CCC] Re: Post-1901 Census-- Help US By Posting A Link On YOUR Webpage!! > Hi Muriel and Gordon > > I have had a link on my website to the Census Campaign page at Global > Genealogy for quite awhile. I have just added a link to Muriel's site. > > My main page is at > > http://pasttimes.topcities.com/ > > and the census website links can be accessed through the Research Tools and > Events link. The link directly to that page is: > > http://pasttimes.topcities.com/tools.htm#Links > > Patty --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.732 / Virus Database: 486 - Release Date: 7/29/04

Hi Muriel and Gordon I have had a link on my website to the Census Campaign page at Global Genealogy for quite awhile. I have just added a link to Muriel's site. My main page is at http://pasttimes.topcities.com/ and the census website links can be accessed through the Research Tools and Events link. The link directly to that page is: http://pasttimes.topcities.com/tools.htm#Links Patty

Hi Mary Anne. There is nothing new in the type of information this article refers to -- The Census departments of both Canada and the US have always collected information regarding the nationality or ethnicity of respondents to Census. It has also always been collated to show ethnic concentrations in various neighbourhoods. I might suggest, without any specific knowledge, that the picking out of Arab-Americans in this instance was likely due to how the Freedom of Information request was worded. If that request specifically requested what information regarding the distribution of Arab-Americans was provided to the government, then that is what they would have been given. If the FOI request however sought information generally about all ethnic concentrations in neighbourhoods then the same information for each ethnic group would likely have been provided. What information is provided to originators of FOI requests (ATI in Canada) is generally greatly influenced by how the question is worded. Media reports resulting from responses to FOI requests can likewise depend greatly on how the reporter worded their request. In many cases they can be greatly misleading. In this instance the report might be misleading in suggesting the Census Bureau specifically provided information relating only to Arab-Americans while ignoring other ethnic groups. I personally think that is unlikely -- but then again I did make a mistake once. <]:-) Have a great day! Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: <ariana@hfx.eastlink.ca> To: <CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2004 4:30 AM Subject: [CCC] Privacy concerns over US Census Data I just found this article from "The Scotsman". http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=3275333 I hope there is a hue and cry in the USA over this, but somehow I doubt it. Mary Anne

I just found this article from "The Scotsman". http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=3275333 I hope there is a hue and cry in the USA over this, but somehow I doubt it. Mary Anne

To all readers who have wonderful homepages:- Homepages are great -- and often could use more exposure, more people searching for family members and other interests. There is one way this could be done and would greatly benefit the Canada Census committee, whose work has been attempting to gain release of the Canadian 1911 census records. We are inviting you, as one with a webpage, to add a link to either or both of the following:- http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/ [Site in posted in both English and French] http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~downhome/post1901census.htm Let us know and a reciprocal link to YOUR site will be placed on the census pages - we only need the address of your site. Muriel M. Davidson muriel_davidson@sympatico.ca Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.728 / Virus Database: 483 - Release Date: 7/27/04

To all:- We may be small in number -- the main mail list, the committee and Friends list, but we could advertise the long overdue 1911 Canadian census records release. Check the wonderful site at the following:- Carleton County, New Brunswick -- Lezlie's page http://www.rootsweb.com/~nbcarlet/ [This is the way I save URLs of many sites] I contacted Lezlie and requested a small mention be added to her site -- as we do not like to post to other lists too often. Check Lezlie's wonderful site -- we received two listings http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~downhome/post1901census.htm http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/ All must know people who have wonderful homepages, whether in Canada or elsewhere -- many have Canadian ancestors. Ask them to add a simple notation -- and by the way, what Lezlie did, may be copied. It is sufficient for all genealogical pages. Let us know where census notations have been placed, please! Muriel M. Davidson muriel_davidson@sympatico.ca Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Brampton, ON http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index6.htm --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.728 / Virus Database: 483 - Release Date: 7/27/04

To all:- The following list is copied from The Toronto Star, but I am arranging it in alphabetical order so all may check the following http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/Score3.htm#ON Some of the Members of Parliament are in agreement that the 1911 census records should be released. Several are newly-elected, but then we have some who have never known how to say YES. Should any of the following be your MP, please contact him or her, and any replies will be welcome by either myself or Gordon Watts. Symbols are: Yes = *; F = Undecided; ? = No Answer Muriel M. Davidson muriel_davidson@sympatico.ca Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/ [Download YOUR Petitions today == desired date September 1, 2004] =============== * - Mauril Bélanger (Ottawa-Vanier) deputy House leader and minister responsible for official languages. * - Carolyn Bennett (St. Paul's) - minister of state for public health * - Aileen Carroll (Barrie) minister of international co-operation F - Joe Comuzzi (Thunder Bay - Superior North) minister of state for the federal economic development initiative for Northern Ontario ? - Ken Dryden (York Centre) minister of social development F - Joe Fontana (London North Centre) minister of labour and housing. * - John Godfrey (Don Valley West) minister of state for infrastructure and communities ? - Bill Graham (Toronto Centre) is the defence minister ? - Albina Guarnieri (Mississauga East-Cooksville) is the minister of veterans affairs ? - Tony Ianno (Trinity-Spadina) minister of state for families and caregivers. F - John McCallum (Markham-Unionville) minister of revenue F - Andy Mitchell (Parry Sound-Muskoka) minister of agriculture ? - Jim Peterson (Willowdale) minister of international trade * - Judy Sgro (York West) minister of immigration * - Tony Valeri (Hamilton East - Stoney Creek) government House leader * - Joe Volpe (Eglinton-Lawrence) minister of human resources and skills development TOTAL OF ABOVE:- 7 - ** / 4 - F / 5 - ? -- Let's try for **** --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.728 / Virus Database: 483 - Release Date: 7/27/04

Posting may be forwarded To all:- We must remember that not all people are "computerized", but like myself, enjoy reading newspapers. I am giving two sites -- one is the Queens County Times, a real ONLINE newspaper, changed weekly by Mary Mouzar. Believe it or not, Mary lives within shouting distance of where I was born. Queens Shore Times http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/mouzar/queenscountytimes/page2/page2.html In this great paper, you will find most everything, including contacts to the PAPER newspapers, plus local activities in and near Liverpool. Letters to the Editor might be the best way to educate the readers during the period before Parliament begins in October, as we now learn. There is a great deal of information which may be copied at http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/ The site is in both English and French -- this will be your choice. The following site is in provinces, and on every newspaper there should be "Contact" or "Letters to the Editor" Canadian Newspapers http://www.onlinenewspapers.com/canada.htm The letter may be as long as you desire -- editors are known to shorten items to save space in the newspaper. You must give YOUR complete address or the item will not be printed -- however, you may request your address not be used -- privacy laws!! We desire petitions for Senate, House of Commons and Non-Resident with downloadable petitions available from the site above. However, this poses a problem if the reader does not have a computer!! Should any person willing to write to his or her newspaper, try reading the printed letters to learn the approved style -- newspapers are different! The first paragraphs should contain the WHO, WHAT, WHEN, WHY, WHERE, and HOW -- always give the main subjects in the first two or three paragraphs -- subjects could be:- 1. Non-restrictive release of the 1911 Canadian census records 2. Petitions for release of 1911 census records 3. Letters to elected Members of Parliament in Canada -- their view http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index6.htm Please contact either Gordon or myself if you desire help -- privately!!! Let's spread the news of the non-release of the 1911 census records!! Muriel M. Davidson muriel_davidson@sympatico.ca Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee 25 Crestview Avenue, Brampton, ON L6W 2R8 http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~downhome/post1901census.htm --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.726 / Virus Database: 481 - Release Date: 7/23/04

To the Hon. Bill Graham, Minister of Defence:- Dear Sir:- The televised picture of you with Nove Scotian Members of Parliament at CFB Shearwater was very heartwarming. Many thanks for the Sikorsky helicopters to replace the geriatric and aged Sea-Kings -- they have been greatly needed. I know it will be several years before the new helicopters will be available -- but ones who use the ancient present ones will be able to look forward to personal safety. One of my brothers is a member of National Search and Rescue -- when offered a ride in a Sea King -- he preferred his car. Many thanks -- as a former Nova Scotian, I am appreciative!! Muriel M. Davidson muriel_davidson@sympatico.ca Brampton, ON -- formerly Liverpool & Dartmouth, NS --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.726 / Virus Database: 481 - Release Date: 7/22/04

Following is the letter forwarded by mail to Mr. David Emerson, the newly appointed Industry Minister. The Hon.David Emerson, Minister of Industry 11th Floor, East Tower, C.D. Howe Building 235 Queen Street Ottawa, Ontario K1A 0H5 Canada Re: Release of 1911 National Census Dear Sir: Please accept my congratulations and best wishes for success in your appointment as Minister of Industry. As a member of the Canada Census Committee, I draw your attention to the Chief Statistician’s refusal to release control for the 1911 Census data to the National Archivist. According to law the 1911 Census should have been released June 1, 2003 and to date this has not happened. As the Minister now responsible for Stats Canada, it falls within your authority to direct the Chief Statistician to immediately take steps to transfer this control to the National Archivist You may or not be aware that for the past seven or so years there has been a public campaign by genealogists and family historians seeking to regain the public access to Historic Census records after 1901 that has been improperly, (and believed illegally), withheld from public access by Canada's Chief Statistician, Dr. Ivan P. Fellegi. The campaign has sought to regain the same unrestricted access to records after 1906 that has been available for 240 years of Census records up to that time. We have made submissions and provided more than 65,000 petition signatures in an effort to voice our concerns for all who are searching for their historic family information. A history of our struggles with the Chief Statistician is well documented on our website, www.globalgenealogy.com/Census. Included here are findings of an Expert Panel, and the results of cross-Canada Town Hall meetings, which all show agreement that there was misinterpretation on the part of the Chief Statistician w! ith relation to the instructions given to Enumerators. Our law presently states that release of Census data must occur 92 years after collection. During the last session of Parliament there was an attempt to push through Bill S-13, supposedly to ‘correct’ a deficiency, (a deficiency only perceived by the Chief Statistician). Thankfully Parliament closed down in time to prevent passage, which ultimately would have done nothing to correct anything, except add an additional 20 more unnecessary years to the release time, and provide the Chief Statistician with more control. Most other countries in the world vary in release date from 70 years upwards. Canadian taxpayers fund a Heritage Ministry, and what is more meaningful to our heritage and history than knowing and understanding our origins and ancestry, to say nothing of valuable medical information to be found. Mr. Wayne Easter has stated thus "In this age when criticism is levelled at our educational institutions for not making Canadian history courses readily available to our students, this attempt by Stats Can to further remove Canadians from their recorded historical roots must not be allowed to happen". The only resolution acceptable must be the same unrestricted public access for records after 1906, as is presently available for the existing 240 years of records up to that date. Access to these records is currently permitted under The Access to Information and Privacy Acts, and no legislative changes should be necessary for us to view these or future records. What is required is a government which will live up to the pre-election promises the Prime Minister made of less interference by bureaucrats, and as well would require the Chief Statistician to obey the laws of the land. To date we have not had such a government. After all, the Chief Statistician does not have the legal right to enact or propose laws for anything, his is an appointed position and perhaps has served its usefulness. We would request that you introduce a Government Bill which would add to the Statistics Act, a single clause similar to the following: "Original schedules of Census or authentic copies thereof shall, not later than thirty (30) years following collection, be transferred to the care and control of the National Archivist for subsequent public access in accordance with provisions of the Access to Information and Privacy Acts, and Regulations attached thereto." Yours respectfully, Freda Stewart

To the Hon. Scott Brison:- Hello Scott -- A letter posted to the CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN mail list shows a very, distinct negative reply -- unlike former replies. Somewhere in Ottawa there is a paper graveyard where Bill S-13 is buried as of last year. The bill was not written by the one who presented it -- but by an employee of the government. See http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/Score5.htm#NS Click on OUR home province - Nova Scotia, then click on your name. Underneath will be data to and from you and others who have received mail from you. The following is a letter to me 10/13/99, a copy of which was posted to Mr. and Mrs. Brooks last year. ============ Dear Ms. Davidson Thank you for your recent correspondence regarding your desire to have post 1901 census data available to the public. I too find hard to believe that restrictions would be put on access to information regarding the 1901 and 1911 census. Surely after so many years, it is doubtful that anyone's privacy would be risked. Last year a Motion (M-571) was introduced in the House of Commons calling on Parliament to release such information. Unfortunately, the government prorogued Parliament meaning that all outstanding bills and motions were wiped off the list for debate. I understand that the motion will be reintroduced, quite soon. I assure you that I will be supporting the motion. Yours sincerely, Scott Brison, M.P. Kings - Hants ========== Scott -- Bill S-13 was designed to be restrictive because Dr. Ivan P. Fellegi prefers NOT to transfer the 1911 census records to History and Archives Canada. At present, the only one who can order the transfer is the Prime Minister -- who is also the only one who can suggest Dr. Ivan P. Fellegi take his well-earned retirement. The 1911 census was designated to be released June 1, 2003. We obtained release of the 1906 on January 24, 2003, not 1998. http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/ is online -- an index of the past, assisting many to find lost family members. It is true the microfiche records do show more data -- religion, nationality, occupation, place of birth, and often total money eared in the census year. {I learned my grandfather made the large sum of $1600 in 1901, a goodly sum for that year -- as a farmer and fisherman] WHAT or WHO has changed your reply? Is it an uneducated assistant? If so, the Canada Census Committee members suggest you educate her or insist that you personally reply to "sticky" issues like the census. Please correct the uneducated reply re the restrictive Bill S-13 -- May it Rest in Peace (Pieces). Muriel M. Davidson muriel_davidson@sympatico.ca Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Brampton, ON -- formerly Liverpool, NS (near Wolfville!) http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/ Some good reading material here and at http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~downhome/post1901census.htm --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.721 / Virus Database: 477 - Release Date: 7/16/04