Good morning, Mr. Paul. I'd like to take a moment to correct one of your comments. The article in question was not posted by Gilbert Provost, but rather by me. Mr. Provost was good enough to send an announcement to this list. Would you be interested in sharing your views with BellaOnline readers? I'm open to presenting all perspectives on this and any other issue. Best regards, Betty Dobson Canadian Culture Editor BellaOnline ===== InkSpotter News: http://inkspotter.com/products/newsletters/inkspotternews/ 2005 Finding the Right Words Flash Fiction Contest: http://inkspotter.com/contests.htm BellaOnline: Canadian Culture: http://canadianculture.bellaonline.com/ The Writers Association: Writing the Bottom Line: http://groups.msn.com/thewritersassociation/bottomline.msnw

Hi Jeff - IF there is debate it needs to be open to the public, in the House of Commons, so all members can take part and voice their opinions; and so all Canadians can hear what these arguments are and who is saying what. Most of the privacy thing is a scare mongering tactic to deflect from real issues. Sorry Jeff but I've had it up to the ears with so-called privacy issues. Common-sense by people themselves needs to come into play. You can't legislate for everything or the system becomes so costly and cumbersome it can't possibly work. Freda Stewart ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul, Jeff: SEN" <PAULJ@SEN.PARL.GC.CA> To: <CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 11:11 AM Subject: RE: [CCC] Bella Online Article > I'm sorry to disagree with Ms. Malone, but I find her arguments to be a > bit cynical. The fact of the matter is that if the Liberal Party did > not want the release of historic census records then the 1906 census > never would have seen the light of day. The work of Murray Calder and > Senator Milne, as well as the work of Muriel, Gordon, and everyone > reading this list caused the 1906 census to be released. And I think > that today is a good day to remind people that it was a Liberal > government that released the 1906 census and it was a Liberal government > that DID tell Fellegi to take off and introduced a bill to provide a > structure for the relase of all future census records. Now it is true > that Sen. Milne wanted amendments to that bill and it did not pass. > There is a new minister involved now, and you will note that he has not > yet stated a position on the release of historic census records. We > will have to wait and measure him by the first pronouncements that he > makes. > > Real debate is occurring on this issue. If there was no real debate the > government would not have moved from stating that no records will ever > be released to releasing the 1906 census and providing legislation that > would allow for the future release of census records. Were we happy > with the legislation - no. But that does not in any way shape or form > support the assertion that there is no real debate. In fact it shows > the exact opposite. > > As for whether or not the privacy issues are specious, well I would > respectfully disagree. Don't forget that we are talking about privacy > of both census that have taken place, and censuses that will take place. > Does the government have the right to tell a person during the 2006 > census that in 92 years all of the information that they collect will > become public for all to see and no one can do anything about it? I > think that is a question that reasonable people can have a healthy > disagreement about. I would certainly agree with Ms. Malone that there > is no harm in the government doing exactly that, and that I would vote > for a bill that did that because I believe in the integrity of the > historical record. However, I would not ever suggest that a person who > wanted to make an argument that each person should decide whether or not > to include their personal information from the 2006 census in the > National Archives is making a specious argument about privacy. > > The government has clearly stated that they are not going to move on > this file until a complete solution that looks at both long term and > short term issues are thorougly examined and ONE solution is put into > place to deal with it and put the file to bed. I can't say that I blame > them. > > All that having been said, Senator Milne is still actively working on > this file and the second that we know where the government is going, > you'll be the first to hear. > > Jeff Paul > > -----Original Message----- > From: Betty Malone [mailto:bmalone@ameritech.net] > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 12:47 PM > To: Paul, Jeff: SEN; CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [CCC] Bella Online Article > > With due respect to Jeff Paul, political parties try to appear to be all > things to all people & thus will allow a minority faction to be visible > & noisy about a cause in which they ardently believe, knowing who has > the > votes. They want the public to think real debate is occurring. That > way, > they avoid the ire of supporters of that cause. > > The "privacy issue" is specious, since 92-year-old census data is > useless > for identity theft or whatever. The only people for whom census data > has > value are the families & historians. The US releases its census data > 20 > years earlier than Canada & has never had a "privacy issue." There is > no > justification for delaying release of Canadian census data even the > current > 92 years. The goal should be to release it as soon as practicable, not > as > late as possible. > > If the Liberal Party was really interested in release of the census > records, it would direct Fellegi to turn the records over to the > Archivist, as provided by law & practiced without problem, until his > intervention. > > Betty > St. Charles, IL > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul, Jeff: SEN [mailto:PAULJ@SEN.PARL.GC.CA] > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 10:27 AM > To: CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [CCC] Bella Online Article > > I would like to make a point here that I think is really important. > There seems to be a tendency here to separate Senator Milne from the > governing party. They are one and the same thing. If the Liberal Party > was genuinely against this movement, Senator Milne would have been shut > down a long time ago. The fact of the matter is that over 99% of > Liberals support our cause and are just figuring out how to balance the > privacy issues that inherently go along with it. > > So to answer something that Mr. Westman said, the governing party is not > allowing Fellegi to get away with anything. Just the opposite. It is > some of the most partisan Liberal staff, MPs, and Senators who are > fighting tooth and nail against Dr. Fellegi to ensure that he doesn't > get away with anything. Sen. Milne, Murray Calder, Richard McGuire and > I are just the ones you hear about. > > Jeff Paul > > -----Original Message----- > From: Herb Westman [mailto:herb.westman@sympatico.ca] > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 11:20 AM > To: Paul, Jeff: SEN; CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [CCC] Bella Online Article > > I would like to express great gratitude to Jeff Paul and Senator Milne > for their tireless work on our behalf. > > The unfortunate thing about this situation is that the currently > governing party has allowed Mr. Fellegi to "get away" with his > obstructionism, sort of like aiding and abetting, so supporters of what > appears to be the lawful position in this case have to go to the > political opposition to press the issue and get public recognition for > our position. The Privacy Act has many deficiencies in it or > alternatively has been abused by those lacking in common sense. I have > had personal experience with this type of situation in a case of a > relative dying without a will and the result has been what could be > called stupidity, speaking most charitably; obstruction of common > justice might be another way to describe it. Most incredible! Perhaps > in this case Mr. Fellegi is looking to create a reason for his early > retirement with a healthy severance package - he deserves no respect for > this action. > > Again thanks to Mr. Paul and Senator Milne for their battle for common > sense. More profuse thanks will arrive when the battle is finally won. > > Herb Westman > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul, Jeff: SEN" <PAULJ@SEN.PARL.GC.CA> > To: <CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 9:58 AM > Subject: [CCC] Bella Online Article > > >> Good morning everyone: >> >> Unfortunately I have to take some time this morning to take issue with > >> some comments made by Gordon Watts in the Bella Online article that >> Gilbert Provost posted yesterday. In particular I am shocked and >> disappointed at the comments made by Gordon that the political party >> that has been the most supportive of the Canada Census Project has > been >> the Conservative Party and its predecessor, the Canadian Alliance. > That >> would have been bad enough, but he went further to say that the > Liberal >> Party has been the least supportive of this issue. >> >> The fact of the matter is that there is only 1 MP or Senator currently > >> actively working on this file and that is Senator Lorna Milne - and > she >> is a Liberal. The only MP to have ever taken this issue seriously is >> former MP Murray Calder who was also a Liberal. I can also tell you >> that there have been more than a few cabinet ministers that have been >> pushing for the release of the census, but because of cabinet >> confidentiality issues, they can't do so publically. >> >> What is even more disappointing in Gordon's comments is the number of >> times that he has dealt with our office, has met with Senator Milne, > has >> plotted strategy with Senator Milne, and has asked Senator Milne for >> advice. How he can possibly say that he has had more support from >> Conservatives is absolutely beyond me. I would have thought that by > now >> Gordon would understand that it is very easy for an opposition member > to >> say that they support someone 100% because they never have to deliver >> anything. As far as Gordon is concerned all that a party has to do is > >> pay lip service and say yes to his questions and he will give them all > >> the credit in the world. However since Senator Milne is a government >> member and has to deliver on this file, her 5 years of work, endless >> meetings with 5 different cabinet ministers, 3 privacy commissioners, > 2 >> access to information commissioners, dozens of MPs and Senators and > more >> speeches in the Senate and to caucus than I can count, simply do not > add >> up to enough support for Gordon to even warrant a mention when > directly >> asked about how much political support he has received. >> >> I will be very blunt by telling everyone that we do not and we can not > >> list everything that Senator Milne does to work on this file on this >> listserve. If we did, no cabinet minister would ever meet with us on >> any issue ever again. Since you folks last heard from me there have >> been numerous meetings on this file. We are pushing very hard to get >> the government to act. I know that there is huge support within the >> Liberal Party to get this resolved. But if we announce baby steps and > >> maybes and all of the ups and downs of negotiations that would be the >> end of this project. >> >> The fact of the matter is that Gordon knows all of this very well, and > >> there have been times over the years that we have let him in on > various >> things in advance and in secrecy in order to properly measure what the > >> response of the genealogical community would be. He knows that we > have >> been working on this file on an ongoing basis. In fact Gordon knows >> that Sen. Milne has been working to find a champion in the House of >> Commons for this one. We even talked about that last week. I find it > >> quite amusing that one week he would suggest that we find a Liberal to > >> champion the cause in the House, and the next he would be complaining > in >> the media of the lack of support from the Liberal Party. >> >> That all having been said, I want you all to know that this file >> continues to be a very very hot one in our office. We've been meeting > >> with and talking to people as recently as this past Monday on the > file. >> I hope that this kind of support by Liberals is sufficient for > Gordon's >> liking. >> >> Yours truly, >> >> Jeff Paul >> Policy Advisor >> Office of the Hon. Lorna Milne >> Ph: (613) 947-9744 >> Cell: (613) 715-2965 >> >> >> >> ==== CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN Mailing List ==== How to unsubscribe from >> Mail Mode. Send a message to >> CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN-L-request@rootsweb.com that contains (in the >> Subject line and body of the message) the command >> -- unsubscribe -- and no additional text. >> >> > > > > > ==== CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN Mailing List ==== Keep up to date on Post > 1901 Census Issues at > http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/ > en frangais http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm > > > > > ==== CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN Mailing List ==== > How to unsubscribe from Mail Mode. 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With due respect to Jeff Paul, political parties try to appear to be all things to all people & thus will allow a minority faction to be visible & noisy about a cause in which they ardently believe, knowing who has the votes. They want the public to think real debate is occurring. That way, they avoid the ire of supporters of that cause. The "privacy issue" is specious, since 92-year-old census data is useless for identity theft or whatever. The only people for whom census data has value are the families & historians. The US releases its census data 20 years earlier than Canada & has never had a "privacy issue." There is no justification for delaying release of Canadian census data even the current 92 years. The goal should be to release it as soon as practicable, not as late as possible. If the Liberal Party was really interested in release of the census records, it would direct Fellegi to turn the records over to the Archivist, as provided by law & practiced without problem, until his intervention. Betty St. Charles, IL -----Original Message----- From: Paul, Jeff: SEN [mailto:PAULJ@SEN.PARL.GC.CA] Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 10:27 AM To: CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [CCC] Bella Online Article I would like to make a point here that I think is really important. There seems to be a tendency here to separate Senator Milne from the governing party. They are one and the same thing. If the Liberal Party was genuinely against this movement, Senator Milne would have been shut down a long time ago. The fact of the matter is that over 99% of Liberals support our cause and are just figuring out how to balance the privacy issues that inherently go along with it. So to answer something that Mr. Westman said, the governing party is not allowing Fellegi to get away with anything. Just the opposite. It is some of the most partisan Liberal staff, MPs, and Senators who are fighting tooth and nail against Dr. Fellegi to ensure that he doesn't get away with anything. Sen. Milne, Murray Calder, Richard McGuire and I are just the ones you hear about. Jeff Paul -----Original Message----- From: Herb Westman [mailto:herb.westman@sympatico.ca] Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 11:20 AM To: Paul, Jeff: SEN; CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CCC] Bella Online Article I would like to express great gratitude to Jeff Paul and Senator Milne for their tireless work on our behalf. The unfortunate thing about this situation is that the currently governing party has allowed Mr. Fellegi to "get away" with his obstructionism, sort of like aiding and abetting, so supporters of what appears to be the lawful position in this case have to go to the political opposition to press the issue and get public recognition for our position. The Privacy Act has many deficiencies in it or alternatively has been abused by those lacking in common sense. I have had personal experience with this type of situation in a case of a relative dying without a will and the result has been what could be called stupidity, speaking most charitably; obstruction of common justice might be another way to describe it. Most incredible! Perhaps in this case Mr. Fellegi is looking to create a reason for his early retirement with a healthy severance package - he deserves no respect for this action. Again thanks to Mr. Paul and Senator Milne for their battle for common sense. More profuse thanks will arrive when the battle is finally won. Herb Westman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul, Jeff: SEN" <PAULJ@SEN.PARL.GC.CA> To: <CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 9:58 AM Subject: [CCC] Bella Online Article > Good morning everyone: > > Unfortunately I have to take some time this morning to take issue with > some comments made by Gordon Watts in the Bella Online article that > Gilbert Provost posted yesterday. In particular I am shocked and > disappointed at the comments made by Gordon that the political party > that has been the most supportive of the Canada Census Project has been > the Conservative Party and its predecessor, the Canadian Alliance. That > would have been bad enough, but he went further to say that the Liberal > Party has been the least supportive of this issue. > > The fact of the matter is that there is only 1 MP or Senator currently > actively working on this file and that is Senator Lorna Milne - and she > is a Liberal. The only MP to have ever taken this issue seriously is > former MP Murray Calder who was also a Liberal. I can also tell you > that there have been more than a few cabinet ministers that have been > pushing for the release of the census, but because of cabinet > confidentiality issues, they can't do so publically. > > What is even more disappointing in Gordon's comments is the number of > times that he has dealt with our office, has met with Senator Milne, has > plotted strategy with Senator Milne, and has asked Senator Milne for > advice. How he can possibly say that he has had more support from > Conservatives is absolutely beyond me. I would have thought that by now > Gordon would understand that it is very easy for an opposition member to > say that they support someone 100% because they never have to deliver > anything. As far as Gordon is concerned all that a party has to do is > pay lip service and say yes to his questions and he will give them all > the credit in the world. However since Senator Milne is a government > member and has to deliver on this file, her 5 years of work, endless > meetings with 5 different cabinet ministers, 3 privacy commissioners, 2 > access to information commissioners, dozens of MPs and Senators and more > speeches in the Senate and to caucus than I can count, simply do not add > up to enough support for Gordon to even warrant a mention when directly > asked about how much political support he has received. > > I will be very blunt by telling everyone that we do not and we can not > list everything that Senator Milne does to work on this file on this > listserve. If we did, no cabinet minister would ever meet with us on > any issue ever again. Since you folks last heard from me there have > been numerous meetings on this file. We are pushing very hard to get > the government to act. I know that there is huge support within the > Liberal Party to get this resolved. But if we announce baby steps and > maybes and all of the ups and downs of negotiations that would be the > end of this project. > > The fact of the matter is that Gordon knows all of this very well, and > there have been times over the years that we have let him in on various > things in advance and in secrecy in order to properly measure what the > response of the genealogical community would be. He knows that we have > been working on this file on an ongoing basis. In fact Gordon knows > that Sen. Milne has been working to find a champion in the House of > Commons for this one. We even talked about that last week. I find it > quite amusing that one week he would suggest that we find a Liberal to > champion the cause in the House, and the next he would be complaining in > the media of the lack of support from the Liberal Party. > > That all having been said, I want you all to know that this file > continues to be a very very hot one in our office. We've been meeting > with and talking to people as recently as this past Monday on the file. > I hope that this kind of support by Liberals is sufficient for Gordon's > liking. > > Yours truly, > > Jeff Paul > Policy Advisor > Office of the Hon. Lorna Milne > Ph: (613) 947-9744 > Cell: (613) 715-2965 > > > > ==== CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN Mailing List ==== > How to unsubscribe from Mail Mode. Send a message to > CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN-L-request@rootsweb.com that contains > (in the Subject line and body of the message) the command > -- unsubscribe -- and no additional text. > > ==== CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN Mailing List ==== Keep up to date on Post 1901 Census Issues at http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/ en frangais http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm

I would like to make a point here that I think is really important. There seems to be a tendency here to separate Senator Milne from the governing party. They are one and the same thing. If the Liberal Party was genuinely against this movement, Senator Milne would have been shut down a long time ago. The fact of the matter is that over 99% of Liberals support our cause and are just figuring out how to balance the privacy issues that inherently go along with it. So to answer something that Mr. Westman said, the governing party is not allowing Fellegi to get away with anything. Just the opposite. It is some of the most partisan Liberal staff, MPs, and Senators who are fighting tooth and nail against Dr. Fellegi to ensure that he doesn't get away with anything. Sen. Milne, Murray Calder, Richard McGuire and I are just the ones you hear about. Jeff Paul -----Original Message----- From: Herb Westman [mailto:herb.westman@sympatico.ca] Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 11:20 AM To: Paul, Jeff: SEN; CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CCC] Bella Online Article I would like to express great gratitude to Jeff Paul and Senator Milne for their tireless work on our behalf. The unfortunate thing about this situation is that the currently governing party has allowed Mr. Fellegi to "get away" with his obstructionism, sort of like aiding and abetting, so supporters of what appears to be the lawful position in this case have to go to the political opposition to press the issue and get public recognition for our position. The Privacy Act has many deficiencies in it or alternatively has been abused by those lacking in common sense. I have had personal experience with this type of situation in a case of a relative dying without a will and the result has been what could be called stupidity, speaking most charitably; obstruction of common justice might be another way to describe it. Most incredible! Perhaps in this case Mr. Fellegi is looking to create a reason for his early retirement with a healthy severance package - he deserves no respect for this action. Again thanks to Mr. Paul and Senator Milne for their battle for common sense. More profuse thanks will arrive when the battle is finally won. Herb Westman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul, Jeff: SEN" <PAULJ@SEN.PARL.GC.CA> To: <CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 9:58 AM Subject: [CCC] Bella Online Article > Good morning everyone: > > Unfortunately I have to take some time this morning to take issue with > some comments made by Gordon Watts in the Bella Online article that > Gilbert Provost posted yesterday. In particular I am shocked and > disappointed at the comments made by Gordon that the political party > that has been the most supportive of the Canada Census Project has been > the Conservative Party and its predecessor, the Canadian Alliance. That > would have been bad enough, but he went further to say that the Liberal > Party has been the least supportive of this issue. > > The fact of the matter is that there is only 1 MP or Senator currently > actively working on this file and that is Senator Lorna Milne - and she > is a Liberal. The only MP to have ever taken this issue seriously is > former MP Murray Calder who was also a Liberal. I can also tell you > that there have been more than a few cabinet ministers that have been > pushing for the release of the census, but because of cabinet > confidentiality issues, they can't do so publically. > > What is even more disappointing in Gordon's comments is the number of > times that he has dealt with our office, has met with Senator Milne, has > plotted strategy with Senator Milne, and has asked Senator Milne for > advice. How he can possibly say that he has had more support from > Conservatives is absolutely beyond me. I would have thought that by now > Gordon would understand that it is very easy for an opposition member to > say that they support someone 100% because they never have to deliver > anything. As far as Gordon is concerned all that a party has to do is > pay lip service and say yes to his questions and he will give them all > the credit in the world. However since Senator Milne is a government > member and has to deliver on this file, her 5 years of work, endless > meetings with 5 different cabinet ministers, 3 privacy commissioners, 2 > access to information commissioners, dozens of MPs and Senators and more > speeches in the Senate and to caucus than I can count, simply do not add > up to enough support for Gordon to even warrant a mention when directly > asked about how much political support he has received. > > I will be very blunt by telling everyone that we do not and we can not > list everything that Senator Milne does to work on this file on this > listserve. If we did, no cabinet minister would ever meet with us on > any issue ever again. Since you folks last heard from me there have > been numerous meetings on this file. We are pushing very hard to get > the government to act. I know that there is huge support within the > Liberal Party to get this resolved. But if we announce baby steps and > maybes and all of the ups and downs of negotiations that would be the > end of this project. > > The fact of the matter is that Gordon knows all of this very well, and > there have been times over the years that we have let him in on various > things in advance and in secrecy in order to properly measure what the > response of the genealogical community would be. He knows that we have > been working on this file on an ongoing basis. In fact Gordon knows > that Sen. Milne has been working to find a champion in the House of > Commons for this one. We even talked about that last week. I find it > quite amusing that one week he would suggest that we find a Liberal to > champion the cause in the House, and the next he would be complaining in > the media of the lack of support from the Liberal Party. > > That all having been said, I want you all to know that this file > continues to be a very very hot one in our office. We've been meeting > with and talking to people as recently as this past Monday on the file. > I hope that this kind of support by Liberals is sufficient for Gordon's > liking. > > Yours truly, > > Jeff Paul > Policy Advisor > Office of the Hon. Lorna Milne > Ph: (613) 947-9744 > Cell: (613) 715-2965 > > > > ==== CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN Mailing List ==== > How to unsubscribe from Mail Mode. Send a message to > CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN-L-request@rootsweb.com that contains > (in the Subject line and body of the message) the command > -- unsubscribe -- and no additional text. > >

I would like to express great gratitude to Jeff Paul and Senator Milne for their tireless work on our behalf. The unfortunate thing about this situation is that the currently governing party has allowed Mr. Fellegi to "get away" with his obstructionism, sort of like aiding and abetting, so supporters of what appears to be the lawful position in this case have to go to the political opposition to press the issue and get public recognition for our position. The Privacy Act has many deficiencies in it or alternatively has been abused by those lacking in common sense. I have had personal experience with this type of situation in a case of a relative dying without a will and the result has been what could be called stupidity, speaking most charitably; obstruction of common justice might be another way to describe it. Most incredible! Perhaps in this case Mr. Fellegi is looking to create a reason for his early retirement with a healthy severance package - he deserves no respect for this action. Again thanks to Mr. Paul and Senator Milne for their battle for common sense. More profuse thanks will arrive when the battle is finally won. Herb Westman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul, Jeff: SEN" <PAULJ@SEN.PARL.GC.CA> To: <CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 9:58 AM Subject: [CCC] Bella Online Article > Good morning everyone: > > Unfortunately I have to take some time this morning to take issue with > some comments made by Gordon Watts in the Bella Online article that > Gilbert Provost posted yesterday. In particular I am shocked and > disappointed at the comments made by Gordon that the political party > that has been the most supportive of the Canada Census Project has been > the Conservative Party and its predecessor, the Canadian Alliance. That > would have been bad enough, but he went further to say that the Liberal > Party has been the least supportive of this issue. > > The fact of the matter is that there is only 1 MP or Senator currently > actively working on this file and that is Senator Lorna Milne - and she > is a Liberal. The only MP to have ever taken this issue seriously is > former MP Murray Calder who was also a Liberal. I can also tell you > that there have been more than a few cabinet ministers that have been > pushing for the release of the census, but because of cabinet > confidentiality issues, they can't do so publically. > > What is even more disappointing in Gordon's comments is the number of > times that he has dealt with our office, has met with Senator Milne, has > plotted strategy with Senator Milne, and has asked Senator Milne for > advice. How he can possibly say that he has had more support from > Conservatives is absolutely beyond me. I would have thought that by now > Gordon would understand that it is very easy for an opposition member to > say that they support someone 100% because they never have to deliver > anything. As far as Gordon is concerned all that a party has to do is > pay lip service and say yes to his questions and he will give them all > the credit in the world. However since Senator Milne is a government > member and has to deliver on this file, her 5 years of work, endless > meetings with 5 different cabinet ministers, 3 privacy commissioners, 2 > access to information commissioners, dozens of MPs and Senators and more > speeches in the Senate and to caucus than I can count, simply do not add > up to enough support for Gordon to even warrant a mention when directly > asked about how much political support he has received. > > I will be very blunt by telling everyone that we do not and we can not > list everything that Senator Milne does to work on this file on this > listserve. If we did, no cabinet minister would ever meet with us on > any issue ever again. Since you folks last heard from me there have > been numerous meetings on this file. We are pushing very hard to get > the government to act. I know that there is huge support within the > Liberal Party to get this resolved. But if we announce baby steps and > maybes and all of the ups and downs of negotiations that would be the > end of this project. > > The fact of the matter is that Gordon knows all of this very well, and > there have been times over the years that we have let him in on various > things in advance and in secrecy in order to properly measure what the > response of the genealogical community would be. He knows that we have > been working on this file on an ongoing basis. In fact Gordon knows > that Sen. Milne has been working to find a champion in the House of > Commons for this one. We even talked about that last week. I find it > quite amusing that one week he would suggest that we find a Liberal to > champion the cause in the House, and the next he would be complaining in > the media of the lack of support from the Liberal Party. > > That all having been said, I want you all to know that this file > continues to be a very very hot one in our office. We've been meeting > with and talking to people as recently as this past Monday on the file. > I hope that this kind of support by Liberals is sufficient for Gordon's > liking. > > Yours truly, > > Jeff Paul > Policy Advisor > Office of the Hon. Lorna Milne > Ph: (613) 947-9744 > Cell: (613) 715-2965 > > > > ==== CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN Mailing List ==== > How to unsubscribe from Mail Mode. Send a message to > CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN-L-request@rootsweb.com that contains > (in the Subject line and body of the message) the command > -- unsubscribe -- and no additional text. > >

>Congratulations on your election in your riding -- so many >of these were changed, but your duties will still be the same. >As you seem to have been a Member of Parliament prior to >March 1999, you must be accustomed to duties to not only >constituents, but all Canadians. I have to stress again, that an MP, *as* MP, has no political responsibilities to anyone outside his or her own riding. That includes responsibilities to respond. I would imagine most out-of-riding campaign mail, whether paper, fax, or email, in any given private members' office, is deleted or discarded on sight, unless the author has some personal connection to the MP or the riding. It would otherwise be impossible to keep up with the flood. MPs are elected by small sets of 10,000 to 50,000 electors, not by Canadians or Albertans or Ontarians at large. This is a fundamental fact of our political system, and anyone engaged in any political campaign must always be cognizent of, and respectful of, that fact. It is a mistake, and frankly a waste of time, for people in Moose Jaw-Salt Flats to try and sway the opinion of the member for Saint-Onesime--Maskawaga. (Fictitious ridings). "All politics is local." The only MPs, other than your own, that you can legitimately hope to sway, are - your province or region's regional political minister (e.g., Ralph Goodale in SK; John Efford in NL); - the MP who also happens to be a Minister or Parliamentary Secretary for a given portfolio which has federal jurisdiction over some part of the cause that concerns you; - and the MPs who sit on a particular committee that has taken, or will take, notice of the issue at hand. And that, only after you have written to your own MP, if he or she is not also one of the above. It is unfair to yourself, and to the MP who is getting bombarded with out-of-riding campaign mail, to think otherwise. The census campaign is worthwhile, but it has to be fought right, and strategically. Carpet-bombing other people's Members of Parliament is a waste of resources and time, and, if annoying enough to the other MPs and their staff, potentially very counter-productive. The most powerful piece of campaigning anyone can do is to write to the MP who last appeared on the ballot in the community where you live. There are genealogists in every riding in Canada, so the best thing is to keep stirring the pot among the larger genealogical community, raising their awareness of the issue, and encouraging people to write to their own representatives on Parliament Hill. This stuff doesn't apply to campaigning among Senators... I'm sure one of the list has much more insight into that! ;)

Good morning everyone: Unfortunately I have to take some time this morning to take issue with some comments made by Gordon Watts in the Bella Online article that Gilbert Provost posted yesterday. In particular I am shocked and disappointed at the comments made by Gordon that the political party that has been the most supportive of the Canada Census Project has been the Conservative Party and its predecessor, the Canadian Alliance. That would have been bad enough, but he went further to say that the Liberal Party has been the least supportive of this issue. The fact of the matter is that there is only 1 MP or Senator currently actively working on this file and that is Senator Lorna Milne - and she is a Liberal. The only MP to have ever taken this issue seriously is former MP Murray Calder who was also a Liberal. I can also tell you that there have been more than a few cabinet ministers that have been pushing for the release of the census, but because of cabinet confidentiality issues, they can't do so publically. What is even more disappointing in Gordon's comments is the number of times that he has dealt with our office, has met with Senator Milne, has plotted strategy with Senator Milne, and has asked Senator Milne for advice. How he can possibly say that he has had more support from Conservatives is absolutely beyond me. I would have thought that by now Gordon would understand that it is very easy for an opposition member to say that they support someone 100% because they never have to deliver anything. As far as Gordon is concerned all that a party has to do is pay lip service and say yes to his questions and he will give them all the credit in the world. However since Senator Milne is a government member and has to deliver on this file, her 5 years of work, endless meetings with 5 different cabinet ministers, 3 privacy commissioners, 2 access to information commissioners, dozens of MPs and Senators and more speeches in the Senate and to caucus than I can count, simply do not add up to enough support for Gordon to even warrant a mention when directly asked about how much political support he has received. I will be very blunt by telling everyone that we do not and we can not list everything that Senator Milne does to work on this file on this listserve. If we did, no cabinet minister would ever meet with us on any issue ever again. Since you folks last heard from me there have been numerous meetings on this file. We are pushing very hard to get the government to act. I know that there is huge support within the Liberal Party to get this resolved. But if we announce baby steps and maybes and all of the ups and downs of negotiations that would be the end of this project. The fact of the matter is that Gordon knows all of this very well, and there have been times over the years that we have let him in on various things in advance and in secrecy in order to properly measure what the response of the genealogical community would be. He knows that we have been working on this file on an ongoing basis. In fact Gordon knows that Sen. Milne has been working to find a champion in the House of Commons for this one. We even talked about that last week. I find it quite amusing that one week he would suggest that we find a Liberal to champion the cause in the House, and the next he would be complaining in the media of the lack of support from the Liberal Party. That all having been said, I want you all to know that this file continues to be a very very hot one in our office. We've been meeting with and talking to people as recently as this past Monday on the file. I hope that this kind of support by Liberals is sufficient for Gordon's liking. Yours truly, Jeff Paul Policy Advisor Office of the Hon. Lorna Milne Ph: (613) 947-9744 Cell: (613) 715-2965

To John McKay, MP -- Scarborough-Guildwood riding Congratulations on your election in your riding -- however, it takes more than an election to make a good Member of Parliament. To date, the only reason for the GREEN symbol was a request for someone's address. As a CPAC watcher, we note who votes for certain bills -- did you realize you are not always present to vote? Also, voting is a privilege and your action affects all Canadians, not only your constituents. As a member of the Liberal Party, it might be interesting to learn that Senator Lorna Milne has been trying for several years to obtain release of the Post-1901 Census. The 1906 census for three western provinces was released January 24, 2003 and online in minutes -- it is only the index but has assisted many, as has the 1901 census index. You have a personal message centre with a GREEN symbol http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/Score3.htm#ON To find the message centre, click on your name. The colour of your symbol denotes you have not really replied. There are many who are searching for lost and unfound family members, using every possible means, but census records are the best. Once we locate the ancestor, it is much easier to take advantage of other means. Also, the 1911 census was the last one before World War One, and many listed on the census did not return, as in my family. We are striving for unrestricted transfer from the Chief Statistician to Library and Archives Canada. By unrestricted we mean the period before release should be no longer than 92 years after enumeration -- the 1911 was scheduled to be released June, 2003. The Canada Census Committee members are hoping you will add the GOLD colour to our province of Ontario. Muriel M. Davidson muriel_davidson@sympatico.ca Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee 25 Crestview Avenue, Brampton, ON L6W 2R8 http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~downhome/post1901census.htm [Our coast-to-coast-to-coast census site]

To Mr. Maurizio Bevilacqua, MP -- Vaughan riding:- Congratulations on your election in your riding -- so many of these were changed, but your duties will still be the same. As you seem to have been a Member of Parliament prior to March 1999, you must be accustomed to duties to not only constituents, but all Canadians. Whenever you vote on any bill in the House of Commons, you do not only vote for YOUR constituents, but your action affects all Canadians. However, many forget this important part of serving as a Member of Parliament. As a member of the Liberal Party, you must know by now that Senator Lorna Milne has been trying for several years to obtain release of the Post-1901 Census. The 1906 census for three western provinces was released January 24, 2003 and online in minutes -- it is only the index but has assisted many, as has the 1901 census index. You have a personal message centre with the GREEN symbol http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/Score3.htm#ON To find the message centre, click on your name. You will note you have been collecting mail since March 1999 -- no replies. There are many who are searching for lost and unfound family members, using every possible means, but census records are the best. Once we locate the ancestor, it is much easier to take advantage of other means. Also, the 1911 census was the last one before World War One, and many listed on the census did not return, as in my family. We are striving for unrestricted transfer from the Chief Statistician to Library and Archives Canada. By unrestricted we mean the period before release should be no longer than 92 years after enumeration -- the 1911 was scheduled to be released June, 2003. The Canada Census Committee members are hoping you will add the GOLD colour to our province of Ontario. Muriel M. Davidson muriel_davidson@sympatico.ca Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee 25 Crestview Avenue, Brampton, ON L6W 2R8 http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~downhome/post1901census.htm [Our coast-to-coast-to-coast census site]

To Mr. Jeff Watson, MP -- Essex riding:- Congratulations on your election in your riding -- so many of these were changed, but your duties will still be the same. As a member of the Liberal Party, it might be interesting to learn that Senator Lorna Milne has been trying for several years to obtain release of the Post-1901 Census. The 1906 census for three western provinces was released January 24, 2003 and online in minutes -- it is only the index but has assisted many, as has the 1901 census index. You have a personal message centre with the BLUE ? http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/Score3.htm#ON To find the message centre, click on your name. There are many who are searching for lost and unfound family members, using every possible means, but census records are the best. Once we locate the ancestor, it is much easier to take advantage of other means. Also, the 1911 census was the last one before World War One, and many listed on the census did not return, as in my family. We are striving for unrestricted transfer from the Chief Statistician to Library and Archives Canada. By unrestricted we mean the period before release should be no longer than 92 years after enumeration -- the 1911 was scheduled to be released June, 2003. The Canada Census Committee members are hoping you will add the GOLD colour to our province of Ontario. Muriel M. Davidson muriel_davidson@sympatico.ca Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee 25 Crestview Avenue, Brampton, ON L6W 2R8 http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~downhome/post1901census.htm [Our coast-to-coast-to-coast census site]

To Mr. Russ Powers, MP Ancaster-Dundas-Flamborough-Westdale riding Congratulations on your election in your riding -- so many of these were changed, but your duties will still be the same. Above all -- we sincerely hope you will be as supportive as John Bryden, former MP of the same riding. The Canada Census Committee always knew we had the backing of Mr. Bryden. As a member of the Liberal Party, it might be interesting to learn that Senator Lorna Milne has been trying for several years to obtain release of the Post-1901 Census. The 1906 census for three western provinces was released January 24, 2003 and online in minutes -- it is only the index but has assisted many, as has the 1901 census index. You have a personal message centre with the BLUE ? http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/Score3.htm#ON To find the message centre, click on your name. There are many who are searching for lost and unfound family members, using every possible means, but census records are the best. Once we locate the ancestor, it is much easier to take advantage of other means. Also, the 1911 census was the last one before World War One, and many listed on the census did not return, as in my family. We are striving for unrestricted transfer from the Chief Statistician to Library and Archives Canada. By unrestricted we mean the period before release should be no longer than 92 years after enumeration -- the 1911 was scheduled to be released June, 2003. The Canada Census Committee members are hoping you will add the GOLD colour to our province of Ontario. Muriel M. Davidson muriel_davidson@sympatico.ca Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee 25 Crestview Avenue, Brampton, ON L6W 2R8 http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~downhome/post1901census.htm [Our coast-to-coast-to-coast census site]

Salutations à tous. Il y a quelques semaines, Muriel Davidson et moi avons donné une entrevue par le biais de courriels sur la questions des recensements postérieurs à 1901. Betty Dobson, éditrice de la rubrique culture canadienne pour le magazine internet BellaOnline, avait demandé cette entrevue. Les résultats de mon entrevue forment trois volets d'un article électronique. Le premier volet est maintenant disponible à: http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art24628.asp Bonne chasse. Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Co-président, Comité du recensement canadien Port Coquitlam, BC http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census en francais http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f Distribution permise. >Greetings All. > >FYI. A few weeks ago Muriel Davidson and myself were interviewed through >email regarding the Post 1901 Census issue. The interview was requested >by Betty Dobson - Canadian Culture Editor for BellaOnline - an online magazine. > >The result of my interview is a three part series of online articles, the >first of which is now available at > >http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art24628.asp > >Happy Hunting. > >Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net >Co-chair Canada Census Committee >Port Coquitlam, BC > >http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census >en francais http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f > >Permission to forward without notice is granted Gilbert Provost Membre pour le Québec Comité du recensement canadien

Greetings All. FYI. A few weeks ago Muriel Davidson and myself were interviewed through email regarding the Post 1901 Census issue. The interview was requested by Betty Dobson - Canadian Culture Editor for BellaOnline - an online magazine. The result of my interview is a three part series of online articles, the first of which is now available at http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art24628.asp Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Co-chair Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census en francais http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f Permission to forward without notice is granted

To all:- I have a huge stack of letters, personally signed, and to make less writing for myself, printed labels from the Canadian Cancer Society came in handy - they also are distinctive. E-mails had been posted to all new members of one party but to date only three POSITIVE answers were received. I kept the copies of the e-mails, printed them, with today's date, signed them and they are ready to be mailed. The letter need not be long -- one-half page can often state as much as a long letter -- all we are asking is a YES or NO. FREE postage -- address is NAME House of Commons Ottawa, ON K1A 0A6 Give the Member of Parliament the URL of the site where he or she may locate the prominent BLUE ? -- I would like to see every one of these -- other colours allowed. Remember, many were elected in June 2004. Parliament resumes on October 4th -- so let's greet them with letters so he or she cannot say emails are not answered. [They are possibly deleted -- a letter is more prominent] Muriel M. Davidson muriel_davidson@sympatico.ca Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee 25 Crestview Avenue, Brampton, ON L6W 2R8 [Always include your personal address -- in case the recipient might like to send a letter to you]

Dear List, After further consideration and consultation with our Applicant, Mertie Beatty, we have not appealed the decision of Mr. Justice Gibson dismissing our application for an order of mandamus or declaratory relief to get "custody" of the microfilm of the 1911 census transferred to the National Archivist. It is all up to the Information Commissioner and our lobbying efforts now. Lois Sparling

Salutations à tous. Ce matin, j'ai communiqué avec le bureau du Commissaire à l'information. Dans so message du 17 septembre dernier, M. Reid avait indiqué qu'il anticipait que ses réponses à nos plaintes contre Statistiques Canada allaient être postées vers la fin de cette semaine (c'est-à-dire aujourd'hui). Les réponses à d'autres plaintes ont peut-être été postées, mais la mienne n'a toujours pas été envoyée. Les envois se font possiblement par ordre alphabétique et mon nom me place vers la fin; mais ici, je spécule. Ma personne-contact est présentement en vacance et l'enquêteur de service qui a répondu à mon appel téléphonique m'a informé que le processus n'était pas complet dans le cas de ma plainte. Il m'a aussi dit qu'une vérification allait être faite sur ma plainte, la semaine prochaine, et qu'on m'avisera en conséquence. Je lui ai demandé qu'une fois que ma réponse sera envoyée, de m'en faire parvenir une télécopie. En supposant que les envois sont par ordre alphabétique et que des réponses sont maintenant en route, si quelqu'un reçoit la sienne en début de semaine, j'apprécierais qu'on m'en envoi une copie au 604-942-6843. Bonne chasse. Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Co-président, Comité du recensement canadien Port Coquitlam, BC http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census en francais http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f Distribution permise. >Greetings All. > >I contacted the office of the Information Commissioner this morning. In >a message received from Mr. Reid on 17 September he indicated that he >felt his responses to our complaints against Statistics Canada should be >in the mail by the end of this week (i.e. today). > >While responses to others may now be in the mail I learned that the >response to my own complaint was not. This may be because my name is >somewhat down the line alphabetically, but this is simply speculation on >my part. My normal contact when I call is currently on vacation and I >was advised by the 'duty investigator' that the process of my own >complaint was 'not yet completed'. He indicated he would have someone >check further on my complaint next week next week and they would advise >me as to the current status. I requested that when my response was >mailed that they fax me a copy as well. > >Assuming that others lower in line alphabetically may now have their >responses in the mail, should anyone receive their response early next >week I would greatly appreciate it if they would fax a copy of it to me >at 604-942-6843. > >Happy Hunting. > >Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net >Co-chair Canada Census Committee >Port Coquitlam, BC > >http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census >en francais http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f > >Permission to forward without notice is granted Gilbert Provost Membre pour le Québec Comité du recensement canadien

Thank you Gordon for stating the problem so well. May take this one step further and remind one and all that many of us do not get to read our e-mails everyday (as I am now only home 3 nights a week due to business) and so I encourage our list administrators to ease up on the closure under penalty rules. If a subject line bothers someone - simple do like you do with "V.I.A>G.R.a" et al e-mails: hit the delete key. Case in point: Earlier this week there was a subject making the rounds on this very Ontario list. As it turns out I was out teaching my students in a burial ground the very evening that the penalty clause was put into effect by our list Mom. I had not been home the previous evening - and so was not aware of the thread being discussed. The very topic that people were anxious for a reliable answer on I was discussing with my students, and now it grieves me to state that I can not share my knowledge with the rest of this wonderful list. It is my sincere wish that Members of Parliament, The Senate, and other agencies involving mandarins do not impose closure upon other genealogical concerns being discussed as rapidly as some lists impose it on-line. So - please note Gordon's suggestions - and to the list moderators who are reading this please consider a minimum three day period before ending the dialogue. If a subject line becomes tedious or bothersome to you - use your delete key! Respectfully submitted for your information. Cheers! J. Brian Gilchrist, 1969 - 2004: 35 years researching at The Archives of Ontario. Genealogical and Archival research analyst, Box 74503, 270 The Kingsway, ETOBICOKE, Ontario M9A 5E2 gilchrists@idirect.com "I have the reputation of being fearless and decided, and whether correct or not, it saves me much trouble." - written by the Honourable and Right Reverend John Strachan, 1st Anglican Bishop of Toronto in 1846. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon A. Watts" <gordon_watts@telus.net> To: <ONTARIO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: 2004 Sep 24 3:12 PM Subject: [ONT] Subject lines > Greetings All. > > Just a short note to make a request for wording of Subject lines when > posting to the lists. > > There are certain characters that when used in the subject line of a > post serve to concatenate (shorten) the subject line of posts shown when > receiving posts in Digest Mode. To date I have determined that two of > those characters are ':' and '/' (without the ' '). There are likely > others but these are the only ones that I have verified to date. > > An example of what I am talking about is the following. In ONT Digest > #385 there are five messages with subject lines as follows. > > Re: [ONT] Re: graves face east/REPLY > Re: Fw: [ONT] Re: graves face east/REPLY > RE: Fw: [ONT] Re: graves face east/REPLY > Re: Fw: [ONT] Re: graves face east/REPLY > FROM LIST ADMIN - heads up! RE: Fw: [ONT] Re: graves face east/REPLY > > In each case the subject line is shortened by the '/' before REPLY. The > resultant visible subject line in Digest Mode (before opening the posts) > for each of the posts above are shown respectively as > > REPLY (2.41 KB) > REPLY (609 bytes) > REPLY (1.13 KB) > REPLY (1.28 KB) > REPLY (1.18 KB) > > Once opened the full subject line is visible as it likely always is for > those who receive in List Mode. For someone receiving in Digest Mode > you can see this might be a problem. To save time I depend greatly on > the subject line to determine if I am likely to be interested in the > particular post. I suspect others do likewise. > > I use Outlook Express and this situation may not be applicable to other > mail programs but I have no knowledge of that. I only know that it > creates a problem for me, and I suspect for many others. > > Happy Hunting. > > Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net > Co-chair Canada Census Committee > Port Coquitlam, BC > > http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census > en francais http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f > > > > > ==== ONTARIO Mailing List ==== > Can't find a town/township/county in Ontario? Try the > Ontario Locator at http://www.rootsweb.com/~canon/locator/ OR > Canadian Geographical Names at > http://GeoNames.NRCan.gc.ca/english/ > >

The Minister of Canadian Heritage announced yesterday the appointment by Order in Council of Ian E. Wilson as Librarian and Archivist of Canada http://www.canadianheritage.gc.ca/newsroom/news_e.cfm?Action=Display&code=4N 0159E ********************************* La ministre du Patrimoine canadien a annoncé hier la nomination par décret d'Ian E. Wilson à titre de bibliothécaire et archiviste du Canada. http://www.canadianheritage.gc.ca/newsroom/news_e.cfm?Action=Display&code=4N 0159F --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.766 / Virus Database: 513 - Release Date: 17/09/2004

Greetings All. FYI Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: Gordon A. Watts To: Ian E. WILSON Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 9:31 PM Subject: Congratulations Dear Mr. Wilson (Ian) Please accept my most sincere congratulations on your appointment by Minister Frulla as Librarian and Archivist of Canada. Your appointment will be welcomed by many who are aware of your past supportive position regarding public access to Historic Census records. We look forward to viewing the online records of the 1911 National Census when we are finally successful in having control of them returned to the Library and Archives of Canada. Once again, congratulations on your well-deserved appointment. Respectfully, Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Co-chair Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census en francais http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f

Greetings All. I contacted the office of the Information Commissioner this morning. In a message received from Mr. Reid on 17 September he indicated that he felt his responses to our complaints against Statistics Canada should be in the mail by the end of this week (i.e. today). While responses to others may now be in the mail I learned that the response to my own complaint was not. This may be because my name is somewhat down the line alphabetically, but this is simply speculation on my part. My normal contact when I call is currently on vacation and I was advised by the 'duty investigator' that the process of my own complaint was 'not yet completed'. He indicated he would have someone check further on my complaint next week next week and they would advise me as to the current status. I requested that when my response was mailed that they fax me a copy as well. Assuming that others lower in line alphabetically may now have their responses in the mail, should anyone receive their response early next week I would greatly appreciate it if they would fax a copy of it to me at 604-942-6843. Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Co-chair Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census en francais http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f Permission to forward without notice is granted