Greetings All. MP Gerald Keddy presented another petition in the House of Commons on 12 June 2000. The extract from Hansard follows. Gordon ---------------------------- 36th Parliament, 2nd Session EDITED HANSARD . NUMBER 112 Monday, June 12, 2000 1911 CENSUS Mr. Gerald Keddy (South Shore, PC): Mr. Speaker, the next petition is with regard to genealogy. Genealogy is the fastest growing hobby, pastime and business in North America. It has been estimated that more than 7.5 million citizens of Canada engage in the pursuit of their family history. The petitioners ask for the release of the 1911 census figures. I am pleased to table the petition in the House.

Greetings All. FYI Gordon ------------------------------------ I send greetings to all Members of Parliament. In the past year or so, all Members of Parliament have been sent numerous e-mail and letters requesting an answer to the question of how they would vote on a Bill that would allow public access to Post 1901 Census records as allowed by Regulations attached to the current Privacy Act. Responses have been varied as detailed below: - NO response - Your concerns have been noted and directed to the Minister responsible - Your concerns have been directed to Statistics Canada - Please send your full mailing address to receive a reply - Mr/Mrs/Ms MP does not respond to questions from outside their constituency - Enclosed find information detailing why Census records cannot be accessed - There is no Bill before the House to vote on - It would be immoral for Parliament to retroactively break a promise given to the people by the government of Sir Wilfred Laurier in 1906 - The law explicitly prohibits access to Census records after 1901 After a great deal of research I can state unequivocally that: - The "promise" of never ending confidentiality of Census records promoted by Statistics Canada does not exist. Statistics Canada and Privacy Commissioner Bruce Phillips have been asked to provide documentary evidence re: the existence of this "promise". To date they have been unable to do so. There is no evidence whatsoever that respondents to Census of 1906 and later were told about this non-existent "promise". I have asked Statistics Canada and Bruce Phillips to prove me wrong -- if they are able. - There is no law that "explicitly prohibits" access to Census records after 1901. There are no clauses in any Statute, from the date of Confederation to the present, that would prevent transfer of Historic Census to the National Archives of Canada to be placed under the control of the National Archivist. There is no law that would prevent the subsequent release to the public as per Regulations attached to the current Privacy Act. - What prevents the transfer of Census to the National Archives is a policy of Statistics Canada -- a policy based on untried legal opinions that consider only one clause of several contained in Instructions to Enumerators for the Census of 1906 that had been given the "force of law". These legal opinions consider only the clause titled "Secrecy" while ignoring other pertinent clauses in these same Instructions, also having the "force of law", that state that Census had value for historical purposes, would be stored in the National Archives, and would be available for future research. Your constituents, in writing to ask how you would vote on a Bill to allow access to Post 1901 Census are well aware of the position of Statistics Canada and Privacy Commissioner Bruce Phillips. They are well aware that an Expert Panel to study Access to Historic Census has been appointed by Industry Minister John Manley. They await the recommendations of this Expert Panel, originally due 31 May 2000 and now delayed until the end of June 2000. They are confident that the report of the Expert Panel will come down in favour of allowing access to Historic Census records. Your constituents voted for you, presumably because they felt that you were a reasonably intelligent, rational, thinking individual, capable of formulating opinions and making decisions. As such, they are seeking an answer from you, on how you would vote on a Bill to allow access to Historic Census records. In all likelihood they have already expressed their concerns to Statistics Canada and Industry Minister John Manley directly and do not seek to have their MP duplicate what they have already done. On 2 June 2000, Liberal MP Murray Calder presented Private Member's Bill C-484 for first reading and printing. This Bill is identical to Bill S-15 presented to the Senate by Senator Lorna Milne on 16 December 1999, and currently in second reading in that House. These Bills would amend the Statistics Act and the National Archives of Canada Act. They expressly authorize the transfer of all census records from Statistics Canada to the National Archives of Canada for permanent safekeeping. They give access to the records to genealogists and other researchers 92 years after the census, subject to a privacy right they create that allows individuals to object to the disclosure of personal information in the census records. Jason Kenney's Motion M-160, presented to the House 13 October 1999 urges the government to take all necessary steps to release the 1911 census records once they have been deposited in the National Archives in 2003. Mr. Kenney's Motion was deemed a votable item with debate limited to three hours. To date, two of those three hours of debate have taken place. Bearing in mind the Bills of Mr. Calder and Ms. Milne, and the Motion of Mr. Kenney, I would again ask of you the following question: Would you, as an elected Member of the House of Commons of the Parliament of Canada, vote FOR or AGAINST a Bill supporting release to the Public, of Post 1901 Census Records, 92 years after collection? I would respectfully request a direct answer dealing specifically with the question. Your response will be recorded in your correspondence log on the Post 1901 Census Project website located at http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census This website includes a "Scoreboard" listing all MPs and showing how they responded to, or neglected to respond to, the question above. I invite you to visit this website and check the position we show for you. As I am the person responsible for updating this website, should you find anything about yourself with which you disagree, please advise me directly. For those Members of Parliament who have already given us a direct answer to the question posed above I extend my heartfelt thanks. For those who have given a non-committal response, or who have not bothered to respond to our question I would respectfully request that you answer it at this time. On 24 April 2000 I sent to you an e-mail with the files constituting my written submission to the Expert Panel on Access to Historic Census attached. Titled "The Myths of Census", this submission is the result of several months of dedicated research and details proof of what I have stated above. I urge you to read this submission to verify my statements. I would extend to you the same invitation I gave to Statistics Canada and the Privacy Commissioner -- "If you can prove me wrong, please do so." If my e-mail of 24 April 2000, and the attached files, have gone astray I would be quite happy to resend them to you. I have compiled a CD containing much more support documentation than that contained in my written submission. I would be happy to send a copy of this CD on request. Should you have any questions or comments regarding my Submission to the Expert Panel, or to this message, I would be more than happy to discuss them with you. I can be reached by e-mail, by telephone at (604) 942-6889, by Fax at (604) 942-6843, or by Canada Post at 1455 Delia Drive Port Coquitlam, BC V3C 2V9 To the francophone Members of Parliament I extend my apologies for not having a translation of this message. I regrettably neither speak nor read the French language. Sincerely, Gordon A. WATTS gordon_watts@telus.net Keep up to date on Post 1901 Census information at http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census and http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Farm/7843/poll.html Download and circulate Post 1901 Census Petitions now from http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census/petition.htm

To all:- The elected Members of Parliament have another "vacation" , known as the summer break -- from today until September 18, 2000. That is a period of THREE (3) months -- lots of time to visit your MP! When your elected Member of Parliament is in his/her riding, plan to visit YOUR Member - even if just to introduce yourself. Above all, you WOULD like to know any census thoughts, wouldn't you?. Go to <http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census/index6.htm> Check to see if YOUR Member of Parliament has a pretty GOLD tick mark (means YES), a RED "X" that means NO, or a BLUE QUESTION MARK. The blue question mark means he/she did not care enough to answer your letter. Your Member of Parliament works at your expense -- and for you --should he/she be in possession of a BLUE X, plan to visit! The GREEN piece of fence means just that -- neither YES or NO! Prepare a letter as if you would be mailing it, complete with name of riding and any title. Either call the riding office to see when your MP is in the office -- or take a chance. By putting the letter (in an envelope) into his/her hand, preferably in front of witnesses, there will be no question the letter was not received. Above all, you would like to query your Member's view re census records release. Let us know of any happy outcome -- and should you receive a reply, we would like to know his/her comments. Many have not sent this to us and Gordon Watts, Keeper of the Scoreboard, needs this information BEFORE AN ELECTION -- it will be published! A letter can be typed on a computer (save to disk), or by hand but let your Member of Parliament know YOU expect a positive response when there is mention of census release. Should you prefer to mail your letter, postage is FREE Name & Riding / House of Commons / Parliament Buildings / Ottawa, Ontario KIA OA6. Happy writing!!! Keep the petitions coming!!! Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> Brampton, Ontario Keep up to date on Post 1901 Census information at http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census and Read: THE MYTHS OF CENSUS by Gordon Watts - may be printed http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Farm/7843/poll.html Download and circulate Post 1901 Census Petitions now from http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census/petition.htm

Many thanks for Jacquie Baral <jacquiebaral@earthlink.net> This site is guaranteed to keep everyone busy. Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> ======================================== Hello everyone, Doing another search and came across this site, Emigration Information of the Nineteenth Century http://dcs1.uwaterloo.ca/~marj/genealogy/thevoyage.html - Happen to notice at the bottom of the page there are 2 interesting mailing lists for "Mariners" and "Great Lakes Ship". Just wanted to pass this on in case someone would interested or needed the information. Have a great evening! Jacquie Baral (USA)

I just saw this posting on the (New Brunswick) list and thought maybe someone on our lists might get some long awaited info from it......:) Pat Watson <echo21@telus.net> ============================= Hi Listers, Rootsweb has new Lineage Researcher Pages for ancestors who lived in the US prior to 1850. Here's what they have to say about the project..... The purpose of these pages is to provide a place to list researchers who are looking for descendants of one particular ancestor who must have lived in the US at one time and must have been born before December 31 1850.. Links will include the ancestor's name, location, and dates, an email link to the researcher, and the researcher's web page on the family, if there is one. These folks want to get in touch with all those cousins, and double check information or add to it.... Check it out at http://www.rootsweb.com/~lineage/

The following has been forwarded by George R. Robinson Jr. <georger@voicenet.com> Someone may be interested. Re costs, one might have to find the cost in Pounds. Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> =========================================== On Thu, 15 Jun 2000 17:34:00 +0100, "Stuart Raymond" <stuart@samjraymond.softnet.co.uk> wrote: Pre-1841 Censuses & population listings / Colin Chapman This book provides background information on the many 'censuses' and listings compiled between 1066 and 1841. Many lists are available, containing miscellaneous information such as names, ages, addresses, occupations and birthplaces. Some were required by central or local government for military or taxation purposes, others by ecclesiastical authorities to determine who was (and was not) attending church regularly. These lists, where they can be found, are invaluable sources for genealogists. Price ?5.75 (including UK Postage). Overseas (airmail): ?7.00; $US12.25. Email orders welcomed. Books will be sent airmail for payment on receipt. Payment accepted in Sterling, U.S. dollars or Australian dollars, preferablyby personal cheque. Please inquire for Australian dollar and surface prices. ==== GEN-MAT Mailing List ==== Gen-Mat-Lists website - http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/lists/Gen-Mat-Lists.htm ============================== Search ALL of RootsWeb's mailing lists in real time. RootsWeb's Personalized Mailing Lists: http://pml.rootsweb.com/

To all who like to go searching and seeking new things:- Try http://www.statcan.ca -- in the Census paragraph, click on location. When the blank boxes came up, I typed in Summerville Centre and clicked on Nova Scotia -- I found I was born in Queens County -- I was even provided with a map. I will admit, possibly only present day names may be found. Try it -- as for Census, there were several listings, including 2001 Questions, and 1996 information - must have Adobe Reader. Enjoy! Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com>

Dear Muriel: Thank you for writing about the proposed changes to the Statistics Canada Act that would allow for the release of census records taken after 1901. For your information, an independent panel (Expert Panel on Access to Historical Census Records) has been created to study the matter, and it is to report within weeks. The Statistics Canada website is located at: <http://www.statcan.ca> should you want more information about the panel. Prior to developing a position on this, I would like to read the panel's recommendations. Again, thank you for contacting me. Best wishes, Charlie Penson, M.P. (Peace River) Peace River <Penson.C@parl.gc.ca>

CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Subject: > > CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN-D Digest Volume 00 : Issue 176 > > Today's Topics: > #1 [CCC-L] A Couple of changes Needed ["Muriel M. Davidson" <davidson3542] > #2 [CCC-L] unsubscribe [swood@ns.sympatico.ca (Scott Wood)] > #3 [CCC-L] ["DW" <dwdwone@direct.ca>] > #4 [CCC-L] French-Language Memo from ["Muriel M. Davidson" <davidson3542] > > Administrivia: > To unsubscribe from CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN-D, send a message to > > CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN-D-request@rootsweb.com > > that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software > requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: [CCC-L] A Couple of changes Needed on Scoreboard > Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 11:33:37 -0400 > From: "Muriel M. Davidson" <davidson3542@home.com> > To: CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN-L@rootsweb.com > > To all:- > First of all, check the following Scoreboard site:- > http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census/index6.htm > > If YOUR Member of Parliament is still designated with > a Blue ?, that means it is time YOU wrote to him/her. > > Gordon Watts has been updating the scoreboard, so we > have to keep him busy, don't we? > > Following is a memo sent to Gordon re the Scoreboard:- > - ----------------------------- > Gordon et al:- > > DELETE Charlie Powers St. John's West > Replaced by LOYOLA HEARN (PC) -- no answer from him as yet > The given email address seems incorrect. > > GOLD > I know I sent the notes re each one but here goes:- > > IAN McCLELLAND > IVAN B. GROSE > INKY MARK > JOHN REYNOLDS > JUDI LONGFIELD > WENDY LILL > GREG THOMPSON > DENNIS GRUENDING > > Wendy Lill is from Dartmouth, lives at 2 Summit St., in back of the > house Bill built in 1946. She knows many of my family. > Also, Wendy was present and speaking FOR census when there > was a Bruce Phillips meeting -- has been in favor since 1997. > > I have sent you several notes, including a couple changes > Andre Harvey........Independent (former PC) > Bill Matthews ......Liberal (former PC) > ------------------------- > The above will change the Standing of June 12, 2000:- > > GOLD tick mark ....... 44 ...... YES > FENCE................. 46 ...... Undecided > Blue ?................204 ...... No answers as yet > Red X ................ 4 ...... NO > > Let's aim for GOLD and RED -- Gordon would love just > two (2) colors! > > Should anyone have letters that would help get rid of the > ?????? we need these - either typed, or mailed. > > Muriel M. Davidson > 25 Crestview Avenue > Brampton, Ontario > L6W 2R8 > 1-905-451-3542 > <davidson3542@home.com> > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: [CCC-L] unsubscribe > Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 13:10:06 -0300 > From: swood@ns.sympatico.ca (Scott Wood) > To: CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN-L@rootsweb.com > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > --------------D0F8F3ADF881A2ACEEDCE1E5 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > unsubscribe > > --------------D0F8F3ADF881A2ACEEDCE1E5 > Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Content-Description: Card for Bev or Scott Wood > Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" > > begin: vcard > fn: Bev or Scott Wood > n: ;Bev or Scott Wood > email;internet: swood@ns.sympatico.ca > x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 > x-mozilla-html: FALSE > version: 2.1 > end: vcard > > --------------D0F8F3ADF881A2ACEEDCE1E5-- > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: [CCC-L] > Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 09:29:34 -0700 > From: "DW" <dwdwone@direct.ca> > To: CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN-L@rootsweb.com > > Dear Mr. Schmidt, > > I am one of the many amateur genealogists and family historians living in > your riding. > > It has come to my attention (via this web page > http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census/index6.htm ) that you haven't made up > your mind on the following question: > > Would you, as an elected Member of the House of Commons of the Parliament of > Canada, vote FOR or AGAINST a Bill supporting release to the Public, of Post > 1901 Census Records, 92 years after they were recorded. ( 1911 census > information available in 2003, 1921 in 2013 etc) > > I personally am searching for information on my families heritage and > background in order to pass this on to my children, so that they will know > in years to come where their roots hail from and who their ancestors were, > even what medical problems these ancestors had that may be hereditary. > > Without the release of the 1911 census it will be extremely difficult for me > to track any of my father's family. They immigrated from the former USSR, > there names were altered when arriving at Ellis Island and I have know idea > when they landed. With the 1911 Census I will be able to locate there > landing date and from there search further back in my families history. > > There are many reasons including medical, historical, and genetic that make > the Canadian Census a much needed source for all family historians. Perhaps > one day you, your children or grandchildren may wish to search out your > lineage... without the use of Census documents it may be impossible to do > so. > > Please vote FOR a Bill supporting release to the Public, of Post 1901 Census > Records, 92 years after they were recorded. ( 1911 census information > available in 2003, 1921 in 2013 etc) > > Thank you for your time, > > Sincerely, > D. Walters > Kelowna, BC > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: [CCC-L] French-Language Memo from Jeannine Ouellet > Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 20:22:47 -0400 > From: "Muriel M. Davidson" <davidson3542@home.com> > To: CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN-L@rootsweb.com > > --- MAY BE USED TO WRITE TO MEMBERS OF PARLIAMENT --- > > CAMPAGNE POUR LES RECENSEMENTS DU CANADA > > À tous ceux qui souhaitent l'accessibilité aux relevés des > recensements du Canada ultérieurs à 1901. > > On trouvera plus bas la position actuelle des > parlementaires du Québec sur l'accessibilité aux recensements, tirée du > Tableau des positions des députés constamment mis à jour au site > internet > http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census/index6.htm. > > Ce tableau à jour des positions des députés est destiné à > être diffusé avant les élections afin d'identifier les membres du Club > Or (G) appuyant cette accessibilité. > > Nous devons conscientiser davantage nos représentants élus > à Ottawa sur le besoin d'obtenir l'accessibilité aux recensements. > > Présentement, il existe deux projets de loi devant le > parlement: le S-15 présenté par la sénatrice Lorna Milne au Sénat, et le > C-484 présenté par le député Murray Calder à la Chambre des Communes, > et la requête M-160 du député Jason Kenney. > > Toutefois, comme vous pouvez le voir, la position des élus > fédéraux du Québec n'est pas encore tellement connue. Pour nous aider à > l'obtenir vous pouvez communiquer avec eux en utilisant, entre autres, > leur adresse internet indiquée au site internet > http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census/index6.htm. > > Après leur avoir fait voir votre besoin d'accès aux > relevés de recensement et votre besoin d'appui, la question à poser à > vos députés est la suivante: > > "En tant que membre élu de la Chambre des Communes du > parlement du Canada, voterez-vous EN FAVEUR ou CONTRE un projet de loi > rendant accessibles au public, 92 ans après le recensement, les relevés > des recensements ultérieurs à 1901 (l'information du recensement de > 1911 devenant disponible en 2003, celle du recensement de 1921 en 2013, > etc.) ?" > > Quand vous recevrez des réponses de député, veuillez les > faire suivre à > < jeannine.ouellet@sympatico.ca> (français) ou > <cjjoud@bserv.com> (anglais et français) > <davidson3542@home.com> (anglais) > et Gordon Watts mettra alors à jour le Tableau des > positions des députés sur le site web. > > Vous pouvez trouver plus d'information en anglais sur les > recensements au site > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Farm/7843/poll.html > > Lisez THE MYTHS OF CENSUS par Gordon Watts (en anglais) > > Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> > Membre du comité des recensements du Canada > ------------------------------------------- > > Tableau des positions des députés (pour le Québec) > > Signification des symboles: > G (Or, pour ceux qui disent OUI > F (sur la clôture, pour ceux encore indécis > ? (Membres du parlement qui n'ont pas encore répondu > X (pour ceux qui disent NON > > Au 12 juin: sur les 298 élus fédéraux, 44 G, 46 F, 204 ? > et 4 X > Au 12 juin: sur les 75 élus québécois, 4 F et 71 ? > > QUEBEC (Total 75) > ? - Mme Alarie, Hélène........Louis-Hébert > ? - M. Assad, Mark...........Gatineau > ? - Mr. Asselin, Gérard......Charlevoix > ? - M. Bachand, André...Richmond--Arthabaska > ? - M. Bachand, Claude......Saint-Jean > ? - Mme Bakopanos, Eleni.....Ahuntsic > ? - M. Bellehumeur, Michel..Berthier--Montcalm > ? - M. Bergeron, Stéphane..Verchères - Les-Patriotes > ? - M. Bernier,Yvan..........Bonaventure--Gaspé- > -Îles-de-la-Madeleine--Pabok > ? - M. Bertrand, Robert...Pontiac--Gatineau--Labelle > ? - M. Bigras, Bernard.......Rosemont > ? - M. Brien, Pierre.........Témiscamingue > ? - M. Canuel, René..........Matapédia--Matane > ? - M. Cardin, Serge.........Sherbrooke > ? - The Hon. Cauchon, Martin..Outremont > ? - M. Charbonneau, Yvon......Anjou- > > -Rivière-des-Prairies > F - The Right Hon. Chrétien, Jean..Saint-Maurice > ? - M. Chrétien, Jean-Guy.......Frontenac--Mégantic > ? - The Hon. Coderre, Denis......Bourassa > ? - M. Cotler, Irwin......................Mount Royal > ? - M. Crête, > Paul........................Kamouraska--Rivière-du-Loup--Témiscouata--Les > Basques > ? - Mme Dalphond-Guiral, Madeleine..Laval Centre > ? - M. de Savoye, Pierre..........Portneuf > ? - Mme Debien, Maud...............Laval East > ? - M. Desrochers, Odina........Lotbinière > ? - The Hon. Dion, Stéphane.. Saint-Laurent--Cartierville > ? - M. Discepola, Nick............. Vaudreuil--Soulanges > ? - M. Drouin, Claude.............Beauce > ? - M. Dubé, Antoine....Lévis-et-Chutes-de-la-Chaudière > ? - M. Duceppe, Gilles...........Laurier--Sainte-Marie > ? - M. Dumas, Maurice...Argenteuil--Papineau--Mirabel > ? - Mme Folco, Raymonde......Laval West > ? - M. Fournier, Ghislain........Manicouagan > ? - The Hon. Gagliano, Alfonso L. > ..Saint-Léonard--Saint-Michel > ? - Mme Gagnon, Christiane....Québec > ? - M. Gauthier, Michel..........Roberval > ? - Mme Girard-Bujold, Jocelyne...Jonquière > ? - M. Godin, Maurice............Châteauguay > ? - Mme Guay, Monique...........Laurentides > ? - M. Guimond, Michel........Beauport - Montmorency - > Côte-de-Beaupré - Île-d'Orléans > ? - M. Harvey, André............Chicoutimi > ? - Mme Jennings, Marlene.....Notre-Dame-de-Grâce--Lachine > ? - Mme Lalonde, Francine......Mercier > ? - M. Laurin, René.................Joliette > ? - M. Lavigne, Raymond.... Verdun--Saint-Henri > ? - M. Lebel, Ghislain............. Chambly > ? - M. Lefebvre, Réjean........Champlain > F - M. Lincoln, Clifford............Lac-Saint-Louis > ? - M. Loubier, Yvan..............Saint-Hyacinthe--Bagot > ? - M. Marceau, Richard......Charlesbourg > ? - M. Marchand, Jean-Paul..Québec East > ? - The Hon. Martin, Paul.......LaSalle--Émard > ? - M. Ménard, Réal...............Hochelaga--Maisonneuve > ? - M. Mercier, Paul................Terrebonne--Blainville > ? - The Hon. Normand, > Gilbert...Bellechasse--Etchemins--Montmagny--L'Islet > ? - M. Paradis, Denis..............Brome--Missisquoi > ? - M. Patry, Bernard.............Pierrefonds--Dollard > ? - M. Perron, Gilles-A. ..........Rivière-des-Mille-Îles > F - The Hon. Pettigrew, Pierre..Papineau--Saint-Denis > ? - Mme Picard, Pauline............Drummond > ? - M. Plamondon, > Louis.......Bas-Richelieu--Nicolet--Bécancour > ? - M. Price, David.................Compton--Stanstead > ? - M. Proulx, Marcel.............Hull--Aylmer > F - The Hon. Robillard, Lucienne..Westmount--Ville-Marie > ? - M. Rocheleau, Yves........Trois-Rivières > ? - M. Saada, Jacques........Brossard--La Prairie > ? - M. Sauvageau, Benoît..Repentigny > ? - Mme St-Hilaire, Caroline....Longueuil > ? - Mme St-Jacques, Diane....Shefford > ? - M. St-Julien, > Guy.............Abitibi--Baie-James--Nunavik > ? - Mme Thibeault, Yolande..Saint-Lambert > ? - M. Tremblay, Stéphan...Lac-Saint-Jean > ? - Mme Tremblay, Suzanne..Rimouski--Mitis > ? - M. Turp, Daniel.................Beauharnois--Salaberry > ? - Mme Venne, Pierrette........Saint-Bruno--Saint-Hubert > ___________________________________________________ -- ----------------------------------------------------- Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/

Two small bits from the latest Global Gazette magazine online edition -- scroll down to section re census:- Small quote by Senator Lorna Milne in a speech April 29, 2000:- Genealogy is not concerned with Blue Bloods and First Families but rather with the Little People who made up the backbone of the country, who pioneered and settled and made their own contributions in their small and untrumpeted ways. Three Recommendations included in my person submission to the Expert Panel. Subject was: Genetically Inherited Diseases. Recommendations A question to be added (or substituted) to the 2001 census questions, asking for people to list known Genetically Inheritable Diseases with a YES or NO. Reason: The present question, " deaf, dumb, blind, insane" and others have been criticized by many. Instead, should I find a YES to any one of these, it would be treated as an answer to a possibly previously unexplained medical condition. ·At present children being adopted are received in basically the WYSIWYG -- What You See Is What You Get -- manner and adoption system. Complete medical history of both father and mother (if possible), blood types, known genetically inheritable diseases, should be part of the adoption process. Names of real parents, locality of birth are NOT part of a medical history. ·Census records of people in institutions of long term care:- Back in 1901 and 1911, also earlier, many family members were admitted to "poor farms", county homes or insane asylums. To my knowledge, there are no census records of these members of a family -- they were locked away as if they never existed. Mental illness seems to be a taboo subject - but one that needs diagnosis. Lots of reading there, Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com>

--- MAY BE USED TO WRITE TO MEMBERS OF PARLIAMENT --- CAMPAGNE POUR LES RECENSEMENTS DU CANADA À tous ceux qui souhaitent l'accessibilité aux relevés des recensements du Canada ultérieurs à 1901. On trouvera plus bas la position actuelle des parlementaires du Québec sur l'accessibilité aux recensements, tirée du Tableau des positions des députés constamment mis à jour au site internet http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census/index6.htm. Ce tableau à jour des positions des députés est destiné à être diffusé avant les élections afin d'identifier les membres du Club Or (G) appuyant cette accessibilité. Nous devons conscientiser davantage nos représentants élus à Ottawa sur le besoin d'obtenir l'accessibilité aux recensements. Présentement, il existe deux projets de loi devant le parlement: le S-15 présenté par la sénatrice Lorna Milne au Sénat, et le C-484 présenté par le député Murray Calder à la Chambre des Communes, et la requête M-160 du député Jason Kenney. Toutefois, comme vous pouvez le voir, la position des élus fédéraux du Québec n'est pas encore tellement connue.  Pour nous aider à l'obtenir vous pouvez communiquer avec eux en utilisant, entre autres, leur adresse internet indiquée au site internet  http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census/index6.htm. Après leur avoir fait voir votre besoin d'accès aux relevés de recensement et votre besoin d'appui, la question à poser à vos députés est la suivante: "En tant que membre élu de la Chambre des Communes du parlement du Canada, voterez-vous EN FAVEUR ou CONTRE un projet de loi rendant accessibles au public, 92 ans après le recensement, les relevés des recensements ultérieurs à 1901 (l'information du recensement de 1911 devenant disponible en 2003, celle du recensement de 1921 en 2013, etc.) ?" Quand vous recevrez des réponses de député, veuillez les faire suivre à < jeannine.ouellet@sympatico.ca> (français) ou <cjjoud@bserv.com> (anglais et français) <davidson3542@home.com>   (anglais) et Gordon Watts mettra alors à jour le Tableau des positions des députés sur le site web. Vous pouvez trouver plus d'information en anglais sur les recensements au site http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Farm/7843/poll.html Lisez THE MYTHS OF CENSUS par Gordon Watts (en anglais) Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> Membre du comité des recensements du Canada ------------------------------------------- Tableau des positions des députés  (pour le Québec) Signification des symboles: G (Or, pour ceux qui disent OUI F (sur la clôture, pour ceux encore indécis ? (Membres du parlement qui n'ont pas encore répondu X (pour ceux qui disent NON Au 12 juin: sur les 298 élus fédéraux, 44 G, 46 F, 204 ? et 4 X Au 12 juin: sur les 75 élus québécois,  4 F et  71 ?              QUEBEC (Total 75) ? - Mme Alarie, Hélène........Louis-Hébert ? - M. Assad, Mark...........Gatineau ? - Mr. Asselin, Gérard......Charlevoix ? - M. Bachand, André...Richmond--Arthabaska ? - M. Bachand, Claude......Saint-Jean ? - Mme Bakopanos, Eleni.....Ahuntsic ? - M. Bellehumeur, Michel..Berthier--Montcalm ? - M. Bergeron, Stéphane..Verchères - Les-Patriotes ? - M. Bernier,Yvan..........Bonaventure--Gaspé-          -Îles-de-la-Madeleine--Pabok ? - M. Bertrand, Robert...Pontiac--Gatineau--Labelle ? - M. Bigras, Bernard.......Rosemont ? - M. Brien, Pierre.........Témiscamingue ? - M. Canuel, René..........Matapédia--Matane ? - M. Cardin, Serge.........Sherbrooke ? - The Hon. Cauchon, Martin..Outremont ? - M. Charbonneau, Yvon......Anjou-                                             -Rivière-des-Prairies F - The Right Hon. Chrétien, Jean..Saint-Maurice ? - M. Chrétien, Jean-Guy.......Frontenac--Mégantic ? - The Hon. Coderre, Denis......Bourassa ? - M. Cotler, Irwin......................Mount Royal ? - M. Crête, Paul........................Kamouraska--Rivière-du-Loup--Témiscouata--Les Basques ? - Mme Dalphond-Guiral, Madeleine..Laval Centre ? - M. de Savoye, Pierre..........Portneuf ? - Mme Debien, Maud...............Laval East ? - M. Desrochers, Odina........Lotbinière ? - The Hon. Dion, Stéphane.. Saint-Laurent--Cartierville ? - M. Discepola, Nick............. Vaudreuil--Soulanges ? - M. Drouin, Claude.............Beauce ? - M. Dubé, Antoine....Lévis-et-Chutes-de-la-Chaudière ? - M. Duceppe, Gilles...........Laurier--Sainte-Marie ? - M. Dumas, Maurice...Argenteuil--Papineau--Mirabel ? - Mme Folco, Raymonde......Laval West ? - M. Fournier, Ghislain........Manicouagan ? - The Hon. Gagliano, Alfonso L. ..Saint-Léonard--Saint-Michel ? - Mme Gagnon, Christiane....Québec ? - M. Gauthier, Michel..........Roberval ? - Mme Girard-Bujold, Jocelyne...Jonquière ? - M. Godin, Maurice............Châteauguay ? - Mme Guay, Monique...........Laurentides ? - M. Guimond, Michel........Beauport - Montmorency - Côte-de-Beaupré - Île-d'Orléans ? - M. Harvey, André............Chicoutimi ? - Mme Jennings, Marlene.....Notre-Dame-de-Grâce--Lachine ? - Mme Lalonde, Francine......Mercier ? - M. Laurin, René.................Joliette ? - M. Lavigne, Raymond.... Verdun--Saint-Henri ? - M. Lebel, Ghislain............. Chambly ? - M. Lefebvre, Réjean........Champlain F - M. Lincoln, Clifford............Lac-Saint-Louis ? - M. Loubier, Yvan..............Saint-Hyacinthe--Bagot ? - M. Marceau, Richard......Charlesbourg ? - M. Marchand, Jean-Paul..Québec East ? - The Hon. Martin, Paul.......LaSalle--Émard ? - M. Ménard, Réal...............Hochelaga--Maisonneuve ? - M. Mercier, Paul................Terrebonne--Blainville ? - The Hon. Normand, Gilbert...Bellechasse--Etchemins--Montmagny--L'Islet ? - M. Paradis, Denis..............Brome--Missisquoi ? - M. Patry, Bernard.............Pierrefonds--Dollard ? - M. Perron, Gilles-A. ..........Rivière-des-Mille-Îles F - The Hon. Pettigrew, Pierre..Papineau--Saint-Denis ? - Mme Picard, Pauline............Drummond ? - M. Plamondon, Louis.......Bas-Richelieu--Nicolet--Bécancour ? - M. Price, David.................Compton--Stanstead ? - M. Proulx, Marcel.............Hull--Aylmer F - The Hon. Robillard, Lucienne..Westmount--Ville-Marie ? - M. Rocheleau, Yves........Trois-Rivières ? - M. Saada, Jacques........Brossard--La Prairie ? - M. Sauvageau, Benoît..Repentigny ? - Mme St-Hilaire, Caroline....Longueuil ? - Mme St-Jacques, Diane....Shefford ? - M. St-Julien, Guy.............Abitibi--Baie-James--Nunavik ? - Mme Thibeault, Yolande..Saint-Lambert ? - M. Tremblay, Stéphan...Lac-Saint-Jean ? - Mme Tremblay, Suzanne..Rimouski--Mitis ? - M. Turp, Daniel.................Beauharnois--Salaberry ? - Mme Venne, Pierrette........Saint-Bruno--Saint-Hubert ___________________________________________________

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To all:- First of all, check the following Scoreboard site:- http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census/index6.htm If YOUR Member of Parliament is still designated with a Blue ?, that means it is time YOU wrote to him/her. Gordon Watts has been updating the scoreboard, so we have to keep him busy, don't we? Following is a memo sent to Gordon re the Scoreboard:- ------------------------------- Gordon et al:- DELETE Charlie Powers St. John's West Replaced by LOYOLA HEARN (PC) -- no answer from him as yet The given email address seems incorrect. GOLD I know I sent the notes re each one but here goes:- IAN McCLELLAND IVAN B. GROSE INKY MARK JOHN REYNOLDS JUDI LONGFIELD WENDY LILL GREG THOMPSON DENNIS GRUENDING Wendy Lill is from Dartmouth, lives at 2 Summit St., in back of the house Bill built in 1946. She knows many of my family. Also, Wendy was present and speaking FOR census when there was a Bruce Phillips meeting -- has been in favor since 1997. I have sent you several notes, including a couple changes Andre Harvey........Independent (former PC) Bill Matthews ......Liberal (former PC) ------------------------- The above will change the Standing of June 12, 2000:- GOLD tick mark ....... 44 ...... YES FENCE................. 46 ...... Undecided Blue ?................204 ...... No answers as yet Red X ................ 4 ...... NO Let's aim for GOLD and RED -- Gordon would love just two (2) colors! Should anyone have letters that would help get rid of the ?????? we need these - either typed, or mailed. Muriel M. Davidson 25 Crestview Avenue Brampton, Ontario L6W 2R8 1-905-451-3542 <davidson3542@home.com>

Dear Mr. Schmidt, I am one of the many amateur genealogists and family historians living in your riding. It has come to my attention (via this web page http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census/index6.htm ) that you haven't made up your mind on the following question: Would you, as an elected Member of the House of Commons of the Parliament of Canada, vote FOR or AGAINST a Bill supporting release to the Public, of Post 1901 Census Records, 92 years after they were recorded. ( 1911 census information available in 2003, 1921 in 2013 etc) I personally am searching for information on my families heritage and background in order to pass this on to my children, so that they will know in years to come where their roots hail from and who their ancestors were, even what medical problems these ancestors had that may be hereditary. Without the release of the 1911 census it will be extremely difficult for me to track any of my father's family. They immigrated from the former USSR, there names were altered when arriving at Ellis Island and I have know idea when they landed. With the 1911 Census I will be able to locate there landing date and from there search further back in my families history. There are many reasons including medical, historical, and genetic that make the Canadian Census a much needed source for all family historians. Perhaps one day you, your children or grandchildren may wish to search out your lineage... without the use of Census documents it may be impossible to do so. Please vote FOR a Bill supporting release to the Public, of Post 1901 Census Records, 92 years after they were recorded. ( 1911 census information available in 2003, 1921 in 2013 etc) Thank you for your time, Sincerely, D. Walters Kelowna, BC

To all:- It is a delight to visit a Newfoundland web site, scenery, genealogy, Project 21 (1921 census) with 1935 open, plus much, much more. http://www.chebucto.ns.ca/Heritage/NGB/ When the census records are posted - typed by volunteers, the following data is given:- NAME SEX REL ___ D.O.B. RESIDENCE SMITH, JOHN M Head M (date) (place) SMITH, MARY F Wife M " " Others are listed as "son" and "daughter" This is the only data we need on census records, except I do like to find religion so I can search church records, and occupation. We can dream -- can't we, of 1921, 1935, 1945!!!! The place names are beautiful and interesting. Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com>

Greetings All I was roused out of a sound (?) sleep this morning with a phone call from Greg, an administrative assistant for Paul Steckle. We had an interesting conversation for about 25 minutes in which he made a number of points. I think the most important thing that came out the conversation was that while Mr. Steckle might be prepared to vote in favour of a Bill to obtain access to Historic Census, he was not prepared to state that he would vote for any and all Bills or Motions regarding Census that might come up in the future. He was not going to state he would support any and all future Bills or Motions without being aware of the wording and content of them. I suspect that many MPs might be of similar mind and in asking MPs for support you might want to consider wording the question to ask if they would support specific Bills and Motions, i.e. C-484, M-160, S-15. When we first started campaigning we had no specific Bills or Motions to cite, but now we do. One thing that Greg stated was a concern of Mr. Steckle was the possibility of a precedent being set that could be used in a detrimental manner for something unrelated to our concerns and he would want to study any proposed Bill or Motion to ensure that this would not be a problem. Greg indicated that Mr. Steckle thought Jason Kenney's Motion M-160 was a good motion and that he would likely vote in favour of it. Based on my conversation this morning with Greg, I am inclined to give Mr. Steckle a gold tick on the Scoreboard. Happy Hunting. Gordon

I would like to draw your attention to an article on the release of census records that appeared in the Ottawa Citizen of June 12. "Historians lobby to save 'treasure chest' of personal information" by Glen McGregor, Pages A8 and A9. The article is a very fair one and places the resasons that historians and genealogists are pressing for the release of the 1911 census in a favourable light. The role of genealogists in the efforts to save these records might have been covered more fully. Perhaps a letter to the editor or an approach to the article's author might help our cause. Gordon Taylor. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com

Hi Gordon & George, I think a pending boycott could have an effect in the following way: Petro-Canada advertises itself as Canada's gas station. Due to the major increase in gas prices it has got the public a little ticked off. Now we know there is not much the Canadian government can do about the rising oil prices as we are at the mercy of OPEC. However, they can do something about the census issue, it is in their control. Now it has been said that we have not got much media attention on the census issue, if the government and the media knew that their was a pending boycott of their stations then we might get some much needed media attention. Any thoughts on this proposal? Regards http://www.waynecook.com A History Television Approved Site http://www.waynecook.com/simcoe.shtml Your Host for the Simcoe County Genweb Page

RE: Paul Steckle's letter, His letter looks almost like a carbon copy of Bruce Phillips' objections to the release. This old legislation; must be, should be, can be and better be changed or I will never buy gas in another Petro-Canada gas bar again. Gordon Watt's has my thoughts on how we might get media attention on this matter. Regards http://www.waynecook.com A History Television Approved Site http://www.waynecook.com/simcoe.shtml Your Host for the Simcoe County Genweb Page

Greetings All. The last week there have been a great many changes made to the MPs Scoreboard. Still a work in progress but it is coming along. Check it out. Gordon