To all:- I have a wierd idea that elected Members of Parliament should be approachable, reachable, available, or whatever -- IF they desire the money given to them from OUR taxes. I have a list of SIX unapproachable Members of Parliament -- there were many more, but I kept trying various name combinations until the posting was not returned. Here is the short list:- British Columbia:- The Hon. Herb Dhaliwal -- Vancouver South-Burnaby (Liberal) Ontario:- The Hon. Charles Caccia -- Davenport (Liberal) [<Caccia.C@parl.gc.ca> was not returned -- AND NOT ANSWERED Mr. Pat O'Brien -- London-Fanshawe (Liberal) [OBrien.P@parl.gc.ca> was not returned -- NOT ANSWERED Quebec:- Mr. Stephane Bergeron -- Vercheres (Bloc) Ms. Christiane Gagnon -- Quebec (Bloc) Mr. Jean-Paul Marchand -- Quebec East (Bloc) Should anyone know the e-mail address, it would look better than the present "Unavailable" Gordon Watts has had to post on the Member of Parliament Scoreboard:- http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census/index6.com If a lister has one of the above as personal MP, please contact him/her, and query whether SUPPORT of census release will be promised. Muriel M. Davidson <davidson35422home.com>

Many, many thanks to all for the very positive answer. I definitely agree with medical research as two grandchildren will be future research doctors. When I submitted a combined number of submissions entitled Genetically Inherited Diseases, one recommendation I made to the Expert Panel was to add an extra question to the 2001 census re "known genetically inherited diseases in the family" with a place for explanation or name of same. Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> [On behalf of all Canadian Census Committee members] "Melville R. Andress" wrote: > Dear Mr. Riis: > Thank you for your letter of acknowledgement July 18, 2000. > Your heartening affirmation that genealogists, historians and medical > research should have access post 92 years to the subject matter will be > recorded and be a testimony to your wise decision. > > Yours Sincerely, > > Melville R. Andress > #110- 33110 Nelson avenue, > Abbotsford, B.C. V2S 2L5.

Mark Philion wrote: > How can this even be considered? I am appalled that any free society would > have anything to do with an notion that challenges the freedoms allowed in a > democratic society. > > Specifically what is being suggested? ======================= Hi Mark:- You did not give your address and I do not recognize the e-mail address. Yes, it has been suggested, argued, etc. that the last Canadian census record that you or I could view would be the 1901 one. There is much talk of Privacy Laws, confidentiality even after death, at the same time the government departments have used data up to and including the 1996 Canadian census. I will ask Gordon Watts to answer this letter -- I just finished translating one written in French -- another to do. In the meantime, check these: http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census/index6.htm [Our Member of Parliament Scoreboard posted by Gordon Watts] http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Farm/7843/poll.html Read THE MYTHS OF CENSUS by Gordon Watts -- detailed, but clear Please let us know your address -- if in United States, we would welcome help with PETITIONS to be used in the Senate of Canada. There have been many Non-Canadian Friends who have assisted. We also have our own list, with Gordon Watts as listowner: CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN-L@rootsweb.com We guarantee NO flames, NO lookups -- but the memos are democratic! Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> 25 Crestview Avenue Brampton, Ontario L6W 2R8 Canada

Bonjour, Pour faire suite à mes lettres du 9 juillet dernier à quatre députés fédéraux (Asselin, Lefebvre, Plamondon et Rocheleau) leur demandant d'appuyer le projet d'accessibilité des recensements fédéraux, j'ai reçu jusqu'à maintenant les deux réponses suivantes: YVES ROCHELEAU: Son adjoint m'a répondu que le député Rocheleau me répondra aussitôt qu'il sera de retour de vacances. LOUIS PLAMONDON: Bonne nouvelle: le député Plamondon appuie l'accessibilité des recensements. Voici une copie de la lettre que j'ai reçue: ==============(Transcription)========= Sorel-Tracy, le 13 juillet 2000 Monsieur René Beaudoin 949, rue Notre-Dame, C.P. 142 Champlain (Québec) G0X 1C0 Monsieur, J'accuse réception de votre lettre du 9 juillet dernier concernant l'accessibilité des recensements fédéraux. Soyez assuré de mon entier appui dans ce dossier. Toutes les demandes et toutes les pressions nécessaires seront effectuées afin de répondre à vos justes revendications. Acceptez mes salutations et mes amitiés, au plaisir de vous saluer sous peu. (signé) Louis Plamondon Député de Bas-Richelieu-Nicolet-Bécancour =========(Fin de la transcription)============ Hello, To follow upon my letters from 9 last July with four federal deputies (Asselin, Lefebvre, Plamondon and Rocheleau) asking them to support the project of accessibility of the federal censuses, I have only received until now the two following answers: YVES ROCHELEAU: The assistant answered me that the Rocheleau deputy will answer me at once when back from holidays. LOUIS PLAMONDON: Good news: the Plamondon deputy supports the accessibility of the censuses. Here is a copy of the letter which I received: ==============(Transcription)========= Sorel-Tracy, July 13 2000 Mr Rene Beaudoin 949, street Our-Lady, C.P. 142 Champlain Quebec) G0X Ç0 Dear Sir, I acknowledge receipt of your letter of last 9 July concerning the accessibility of the federal censuses. Be assured of my entire support in this file. All the requests and all the pressures necessary will be carried out in order to answer your right claims. Accept my greetings and my friendships, with the pleasure of greeting you soon. (signed) Louis Plamondon Appointed of Bas-Richelieu-Nicolet-Bécancour ========================== Merci beaucoup, Rene! Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> [Please excuse any translation errors -- meaning is the same!]

To all:- The elected Members of Parliament are still on "vacation" , known as the summer break -- until September 18, 2000. There is still more than ONE MONTH left -- lots of time to visit your MP! When your elected Member of Parliament is in his/her riding, plan to visit YOUR Member - even if just to introduce yourself. Above all, you WOULD like to know his/her census thoughts, wouldn't you?. Go to <http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census/index6.htm> Check to see if YOUR Member of Parliament has a pretty GOLD tick mark (means YES), a RED "X" that means NO, or a BLUE QUESTION MARK. The blue question mark means he/she did not care enough to answer your letter. Your Member of Parliament works at YOUR expense -- and for you --should he/she be in possession of a BLUE X, plan to visit! The GREEN piece of fence means just that -- neither YES or NO! Prepare a letter as if you would be mailing it, complete with name of riding and any title. Either call the riding office to see when your MP is in the office -- or take a chance. By putting the letter (in an envelope) into his/her hand, preferably in front of witnesses, there will be no question the letter was not received. Above all, you would like to query your Member's view re census records release. To prepare yourself, read THE MYTHS OF CENSUS by Gordon Watts http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Farm/7843/poll.html Let us know of any happy outcome -- and should you receive a reply, we would like to know his/her comments. Many have not sent this to us and Gordon Watts, Keeper of the Scoreboard,needs this information BEFORE AN ELECTION -- it will be published! A letter can be typed on a computer (save to disk), or by hand but let your Member of Parliament know YOU expect a positive response when there is mention of census release. Should you prefer to mail your letter, postage is FREE - in Canada Name of MP & Riding / House of Commons / Parliament Buildings / Ottawa, Ontario KIA OA6. Happy writing!!! Keep the petitions coming!!! (Canadian & Non-Canadian) Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> 25 Crestview Avenue Brampton, Ontario L6W 2R8 Keep up to date on Post 1901 Census information at http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census and Read: THE MYTHS OF CENSUS by Gordon Watts - may be printed http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Farm/7843/poll.html Download and circulate Post 1901 Census Petitions now from http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census/petition.htm

The following has been forwarded to Gordon Watts for the next updating of the Scoreboard -- add one to Canadian Alliance Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> =========================================== I would like to inform you that Mr. Gerry Ritz MP (Battlefords-Lloydminster, SK) is in favour of releasing census information to the National Archives and will vote accordingly in upcoming debates. It will be of assistance to his constituents if any future correspondence reflects this, including the 'scorecard' listed below. Thank you for attention to this matter and good luck with your efforts. James Scott, Legislative Assistant -----Original Message----- From: Muriel M. Davidson [mailto:davidson3542@home.com] Sent: July 14, 2000 11:54 PM To: Kerpan.A@parl.gc.ca; Konrad.D@parl.gc.ca; Morrison.L@parl.gc.ca; Pankiw.J@parl.gc.ca; Ritz.G@parl.gc.ca; davidson3542@home.com; gordon_watts@telus.net Subject: YOUR Support is Requested for Post-1901 Census Release

To Bill Casey, MP & Wendy Lill, MP:- As I am a former Nova Scotian, I had hoped my home province would be the first one to be GOLD!!!! Somehow, there are two pieces of GREEN fence mixed in with the GOLD ticks. Is it so difficult to say either YES or NO? I would suggest both read THE MYTHS OF CENSUS by Gordon Watts, printable from the following site if you lost the copy sent to you: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Farm/7843/poll.html Check the Member of Parliament Scoreboard for verification, please: http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census/index6.htm Many of us would like all elected MPs to say definitely YES or NO!!! We will be looking forward to your GOLD contribution re support of Post-1901 Canadian census release to National Archives. Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> 25 Crestview Avenue, Brampton, Ontario L6W 2R8 [formerly from Liverpool and Dartmouth, Nova Scotia]

COPY OF LETTER POSTED TO ALL CAUCUS MEMBERS To all:- The following paragraph was contained in a letter re Peter Adams, MP -- the letter intimated all listed below are in agreement that the Canadian Census Records be released. However, we have found all are NOT supporting census release as indicated -- see below. Please check: http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census/index6.htm If you are in agreement, please forward a small note stating this to me -- it will then be posted on your section of the scoreboard. We do hope all agree the post-1901 census be released and when there is voting, you will be in SUPPORT of same. To find your section for postings, click on your name at the left -- any message you have given will be posted there; at the right is a pop-up message centre for people to write to Members of Parliament. At present Murray Calder has Bill C-484 - status unknown; Senator Lorna Milne has Bill S-15, Second Reading; Jason Kenney has third hour of debate on Motion M-160 Sept. 20 We would like the only colors on the Scoreboard to be GOLD and RED. Replies to Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Farm/7843/poll.html Canadian Census Committee 25 Crestview Avenue Brampton, Ontario L6W 2R8 ================== Excerpt from letter:- "Another item, not strictly a budgetary matter, affects the social sciences. You should know that our Caucus supports the release of post-1901 census data in the same fashion that earlier census material was released. At stake for all Canadians is a true understanding of ourselves as a nation." Members of this Caucus were: (as of June 20, 2000 update) G - Peter Adams, Peterborough - ? - Carolyn Bennett, St. Paul's F - Aileen Carroll, Barrie-Simcoe-Bradford G - John Godfrey, Don Valley West ? - Stan Keyes, Hamilton West ? - Sophia Leung, Vancouver-Kingsway X - Rey Pagtakhan, Winnipeg North ? - Karen Redman, Kitchener Centre F - Andrew Telegdi, Kitchener Waterloo ? - Reg Alcock, Winnipeg South ? - Charles Caccia, Davenport ? - Raymonde Folco, Laval -West ? - Bill Graham, Toronto Centre G - Karen Kraft Sloan, York North F - Ted McWhinney, Vancouver Quadra ? - Bernard Patry, Pierrefonds-Dollard G - Andy Scott, Fredricton G = YES F - Undecided X = NO ? = We have not heard from you. (Hopefully, in future, before inclusive statements are issued, the status is checked at the caucus level]

Hi David:- First, I will tell you a personal story: My mother and her family were from Bucksport, Maine, arrived in Canada 1909. Also, I am one of those with dual-citizenship (good only in Canada), as I worked in United States . ------------------------------- Beside my computer are two (2) fat envelopes of NON-CANADIAN petitions for use by a friend, Senator Lorna Milne, as she hopes for the safe passage of her Bill S-15. This would release Canadian census records to the National Archives, and to us for research in 2003, unless the 92-year rule was changed by legislation. The Canadians WELCOME Non-Canadians and their help!! I feel there is no boundary where census records are concerned - many have roots in Canada, the records are needed. Petitions are downloadable/printable from:- http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census/petition.htm Choose the Non-Canadian one for use in the Senate of Canada. Member of Parliament Scoreboard is colorful: http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census/index6.htm [We hope the only two colors will soon be GOLD and RED] So, whether you be Yanks, Southerners or whatever, WELCOME!!! Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> 25 Crestview Ave., Brampton, Ontario L6W 2R8 Canada http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Farm/7843/poll.html [Our future coast-to-coast-to-coast genealogy site] --------------------------------------------------------------- DSavignac@aol.com wrote: > Mrs. Davidson, > > If there is a way that we citizens of the U.S. can help this effort -- > without offending our friends to the north by butting into their affairs -- > then it might help if we were to know how. We wouldn't want it to become > one of those "there go those Yanks again" sort of thing ... > > David Savignac > Crofton, MD

HI Annette & Virginia:- As much time as you need. Senator Lorna Milne's Bill S-15 has had second reading, is in committee, then must have a third reading before a vote. Murray Calder has a duplicate bill C-484 in the House of Commons, but this has only had first reading. Senator Milne Keeps "stirring the census pot" by announcing more petitions from time to time -- just to keep the census in mind. I have two fat envelopes to take over to her when she returns home from the cottage -- at least 500 signatures in total. Should there be a RUSH for petitions, this will be announced. One tip:- Do not mix Non-Canadian and Canadian signatures, please. Looking forward to hearing from you, Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> 25 Crestview Avenue Brampton, Ontario L6W 2R8 Canada Annette Garner wrote: > Hi Muriel, > We downloaded and printed out the census petition for US residents. How > much time do we have to get signatures? > > -- > Annette & Virginia Garner > > Researching: Dubuc/Dubuque, Fitzpatrick, Garner, Kemp, Kirby, > Marie, Nealon, Rose, Roy/LeRoy, Weston, Zisler > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~tdgarner > > We get paid to surf the web...and you can, too! > Go to: http://www.alladvantage.com/go.asp?refid=fvc278

MAY BE TRANSLATED AND FORWARDED To all:- When one looks at the QUEBEC section of the Member of Parliament Scoreboard, it looks like a large BLUE sea!!! I love the province of Quebec, including Hwy. 20, and most of all, the glimpses of the St. Lawrence River. Why? It is the route to Down Home -- Nova Scotia!!! Census Records are one of the main research tools in genealogy, seeing who lived where, family members, ages, occupations, etc. Researchers may never be able to peek at the 1911 census of their family members, unless we unite and work together for the release to National Archives. http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census/index6.htm Constituents of the following should send notes of thanks for YES replies as to whether he/she would SUPPORT census release:- ANDRE BACHAND GHISLAIN LEBEL DAVID PRICE DIANE ST.JACQUES There are FIVE others who are wavering between YES and NO -- it is hopeful their constituents will let them know the census release is needed for Quebec as well as other parts of Canada. The YES/NO ones are:- The Rt. Hon. Jean Chretien; The Hon. Alfonso Gagliano; Clifford Lincoln; The Hon. Pierre Pettigrew; The Hon. Lucienne Robillard. [Please note: I prefer NOT to mention political parties] Please find YOUR constituent and try to ascertain whether he/she is in favor of Post-1901 census records release. Many Members of Parliament believe they should answer to only their constituents -- on a matter as important as census release, the Members of Parliament represent ALL Canadians. Should answers be received, please forward to:- Jeannine Ouellet <jeannine.ouellet@sympatico.ca> [francais] Christine Joudrey <cjjoud@bserv.com> [anglais et francais] Victor Luce <lucevic@nbnet.nb.ca> [anglais et francais] or to myself -- either language Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> Canadian Census Committee http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Farm/7843/poll.html

MAY BE TRANSLATED AND FORWARDED To all:- A dear friend, Senator Lorna Milne, remarked to me that CENSUS is like friendship -- no political boundaries. Also, Census Records are the basis of all genealogical research. There are 75 elected Members of Parliament to represent Quebec residents in the House of Commons when a vote is held re the release of 1911 Canadian census records. Check http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census/index6.htm Family researchers will note that only SIX (6) have responded to letters or e-mails, sent by residents of Quebec and others. Three os these have replied YES -- the other THREE are "on the fence", wavering between YES and NO. That leaves 69 who have not replied. Jeannine Ouellet is away for a vacation, but any researcher or resident may ask their Member of Parliament if he/she SUPPORTS release of Post-1901 Census Records to National Archives. The 1911 Canadian Census Records apply to Quebec for research. They are safe at National Archives, BUT we cannot access them in 2003 without legislation. Your help is needed!! Replies, in either French or English may be sent to: Jeannine Ouellet <jeannine.ouellet@sympatico.ca> [enfrancais] Christine Joudrey <bjjoud@bserv.com> [en francais et anglais] or to myself, with thanks, Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> Canadian Census Committee

Letter from Nicole LeBrun with many thanks! I do not live in Canada and therefore have no representative.However, my roots remain where my ancestors rest, and decisions to seal genealogical information is, to me, illogical and harmful to each of us. Sealing censuses would result in causing a break between current generations and the generations of pioneers who have lived in Quebec. There are, to me, two most important reasons to have this information available. Knowing family lines and the relationships allows closer family ties with a greater number of individuals both in Quebec, in the other Provinces and in the United States since so many Canadians have moved South - as well as the forced emigration of the Acadians. You are deciding to disallow them access to their roots as well. I firmly believe that sealing census and genealogical records is in truth, stealing the heritage of each and all citizens. It is our ancestors and our rights to know them. There are sound scientific reasons as well and genetic research make it imperative that this information be spread rather than hidden. As an example : there is diabetes in my family - if genealogical lines (census and others) are hidden, it becomes possible to contract an union within the same group and enhance the possibility of causing even more occurrences even though diabetes is caused by a recessive gene. That is true for any other congenital illness as well. What do I tell my son: "find a wife of another nationality or even another race but stay away from Canadians"? This is the Aryan doctrine in reverse! Another reason, and maybe the very best is the pride I now feel in having been born a Canadian and a descendant of some of those pioneers. With each name I add to my family tree, this pride has grown. I have inherited my genes from my ancestors. They are part of me. It is my right to be able to get to know them. JE ME SOUVIENS. Sincerely, Nicole LeBrun ============================= Many thanks, Nicole!!!!! Non-Canadians with Canadian roots may help in one way -- PETITIONS. I accept these for a friend, Senator Lorna Milne, who has Bill C-15 following second reading and in committee. http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census/petition.htm These are downloadable and printable -- Word or WordPerfect. My address is on the petition! Honestly, there is nothing to stop any Non-Canadian expressing his/her feelings to any Member of Parliament -- if answered, please forward answer to me for the MPs Scoreboard: http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census/index6.htm Looking forward to hearing from many! Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> 25 Crestview Avenue Brampton, Ontario L6W 2R8 Canada NOTE:- At the right side of the Scoreboard, Gordon Watts has left a convenient place to send a message.....have fun!!!!

DO YOU EVER WANT TO SEE ANOTHER CENSUS? Have you ever used the 1871, 1881, 1891 AND 1901 census records in your quest to find your ancestors living in various parts of Canada? Have you had the pleasure of learning that great grandfather Thomas was 53 years of age when the 1871 census was taken, or learning through the 1901 census that grandmother Alice was born on July 16, 1892? Census records have been a veritable gold mine for individuals researching their history. They are an important link to the past, a cherished part of our heritage. Do you realize this invaluable research tool will forever be lost to us because of a decision by Statistics Canada with the prompting of the Office of the Privacy Commissioner of Canada? Statistics Canada has decided that the 1911 census is the LAST one which will be made public. The 1911 census, which normally would have been released to the public in 2003, WILL NOT BE AVAILABLE TO RESEARCHERS. This same ruling applies to all subsequent census records held by Statistics Canada. This issue has been the subject of much recent dialogue between officials of the National Archives and Statistics Canada. What normally would happen, is that the 1911 census records would be microfilmed and transferred to the National Archives of Canada, held by them until the expiration of 92 years following the taking of the census (2003) and then released to the public. The 92-year rule was established by government in the Regulations made pursuant to the Privacy Act. It permits the release of census records ONCE THEY HAVE BEEN DEPOSITED IN THE NATIONAL ARCHIVES after 92 years have elapsed following the taking of the census. It was on this basis that the 1891 and 1901 census records were released to the public. Although its reasons are far from clear, Statistics Canada's stand on this issue may be partly due to a belief that a guarantee of confidentiality will make it easier to ensure co-operation during further population enumerations. The Office of the Privacy Commissioner was actually pressing to have the 1911 census records destroyed. Fortunately the National Archivist refused to grant Statistics Canada its necessary approval. Not to be outdone its efforts to maintain total secrecy over these records, Statistics Canada has simply decided not to transfer its records to the custody and control of the National Archives. By so doing, the department has circumvented the 92-year rule prescribed by the Regulations made under the Privacy Act. Be assured, there is nothing, absolutely nothing, different in the type of information contained in the 1911 census from that shown in the 1891 and 1901 census records which we have all seen. Granted, the rules under which the 1911 census was taken may have differed, but the basic information covered is identical. So where is the invasion of privacy which is of so much concern? This decision has outraged the archival community, genealogists and our historians, but to no avail. The 1911 census and all future census records will remain closed ......UNLESS..... What can you and I do? Well, we can make our voices heard, LOUD AND CLEAR, to the politicians and to the bureaucrats who have made this unhappy decision. This is what you can do: * First and foremost, write to your local Member of Parliament and express your dismay. * Write to the Chief Statistician, Dr. Ivan Fellegi and express your concern over his decision to avoid what the government intended by failing to deposit the 1911 census records with the National Archives of Canada. His address is: 120 Parkdale Avenue, Ottawa, Ontario, K1A 0T6. * Write to the Hon. John Manley, PC, MP, the Minister of Industry to whom Statistics Canada reports and express your indignation over this turn of events. Ask him to provide you with the reason for this cloak of secrecy. His address is: The House of Commons, Ottawa, Ontario, K1A 0A6. * Write to the Hon. Sheila Copps, PC, MP, the Minister of Heritage and urge her to take this matter up personally with her colleague, the Minister of Industry. Her address is: The House of Commons, Ottawa, Ontario, K1A 0A6. Our friends to the south of us are now awaiting the release of the 1930 census to the U.S. National Archives - the information contained in their records is generally the same found in our census. Their practice has not brought their nation to its knees on the sacrificial altar of "privacy". Why should we be different? Why shouldn't the 92-year rule prescribed by the government be respected? If you ever want to see another census record, I urge you to become active! When writing to the House of Commons - there is no need for a postage stamp - all it takes is a moment of your time. If you e-mail your protest, also print out a copy and mail it. The delete key doesn't work on "snail mail". LYN WINTERS, Gloucester, Ontario. The author is a retired Officer of the R.C.M.P. and a former employee of the Office of the Information Commissioner of Canada, plus a member of the Canadian Census Committee. Lyn is also the ONE PERSON who made me believe there was going to be a problem re 1911 census -- reason I am doing my bit!!! Thanks, Lyn! ============================== Answers:- >From Lyn Winters:- This was an article I wrote for the May-June, 1998 issue of the Ottawa Branch (of the Ontario Genealogical Society) News. It appears in Volume 31, No. 3 of that periodical at pp 69-70. Lyn. and http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Farm/7843/poll.html Go to Michelle Doucette's ACADIAN GENEALOGY You will find some interesting letters and a great deal of Acadian genealogy. Go exploring!! -- I did -- if you find something does not work, let me know. Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> Canadian Census Committee

Hi Muriel, Thanks for putting that across. I have a marquee running across my main site about the census issue, I will now add the vote to the marquee showing how each party is voting. The marquee is only supported by MSIE unless Netscape has added it to its later versions, which I don't have. If it is not a free vote then we are doomed before we start as the Grits have the majority, however, it will not be a vote of non-confidence so I suspect it will be a free vote, if not then there will be a lot of red faced Libs in Ottawa. With 24 Liberal votes so far and as that Liberal vote goes up then the Liberal party would be in an embarassing situation if their members turned around and voted against it especially after telling us how they would vote. I am surprised that we don't have more Bloc members on board yet. Thanks again for breaking it down for me. All the best Wayne Cook http://www.waynecook.com (A History Television Approved Site) and your Host for the Simcoe County Genweb page at http://www.waynecook.com/simcoe.shtml Wasaga Beach, Ontario, Canada 1. Historic Plaques of Ontario 567 Plaques online, part of the Historic Plaques of the World Project, Provincial & State Hosts neededl 2. The Canadian Query Boards at http://www.waynecook.com/bulletin.html > To all:- > This morning, Wayne Cook challenged me to come up with the > totals per political party --

To all:- This morning, Wayne Cook challenged me to come up with the totals per political party -- I believe I lost one MP somewhere as my figures do not agree with those of Gordon Watts for YES. Check:- http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census/index6.htm New totals are: FOR - 86/AGAINST - 6/UNDECIDED - 52/??? - 157, total of 301. Per Party:- [correct me if I am wrong, please] Canadian Alliance - 29 N.D.P.---------------------- 15 P.C.------------------------- 17 Liberal--------------------- 24 Bloc Quebecois------- 1 = 86 FOR CENSUS RELEASE The 24 Liberal Party Members are mainly in Ontario -- should they vote according to caucus ruling, we deduct 24 votes, as I feel the elected members would not be allowed a FREE vote. As I mentioned in a previous posting, there are 301 Members to vote -- if all are present. This means a majority must be 152 plus. Guys and Gals -- we have our work cut out for us!!!! Someone, believe Wayne Cook, suggested when we send an e-mail, we print the same and post it ==POSTAGE IS FREE TO MPs. NOVA SCOTIA looks great -- except for 2 pieces of fence!!!!!!! Look at the Scoreboard -- the 52 UNDECIDED and sitting on their little pieces of fence, should be able to say either YES or NO. Thanks, Wayne for the challenge!!!!!!! Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Farm/7843/poll.html [Future coast-to-coast-to-coast Canadian genealogy site]

To Mr. Stockwell Day:- <day@canadianalliance.ca> Many of us, from coast to coast, were tuned to the final numbers during both voting sessions, as you were voted in as the new leader of the Canadian Alliance Party of Canada. We sincerely hope it brings democracy and a freedom to vote in the House of Commons -- WHEN you become Prime Minister -- the freedom is now denied our elected Members of Parliament. Possibly you are aware many of us are family researchers, sincerely hoping for legislation to be changed to allow the 1906 (prairie provinces) and the 1911 Canadian census records to be released to National Archives. Following a 92-year period, unless changed, family researchers would be able to search the census records in 2003. One of your stalwarts, Jason Kenney, MP, has a Motion (M-160) for third hour of debate and voting on Sept. 20, 2000. Jason and many others of your Canadian Alliance Party could tell you a great deal about the FIGHT we are waging against the Liberal government, Statistics Canada and others. To make it easier and without a great many words, here are several URLs:- http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census/index6.htm [As MPs agree to SUPPORT, he/she receives a Gold tick] http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Farm/7843/poll.html [All MPs received copies of THE MYTHS OF CENSUS from Gordon Watts, printable -- with CD available by request] MEMORANDUM OF LAW by Alberta barriaster Lois Sparling, deals with census problems of Alberta, Saskatchewan and Manitoba -- these provinces have NEVER had a Canadian census released -- the 1906 should have been released in 1998. http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census Petitions and much, much more. We also have our own list: CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN-L@rootsweb.com Many Canadians and Non-Canadians with Canadian roots belong to this list, with Gordon Watts as listowner. Also, at present Mr. Murray Calder, MP has had first reading of Bill C-484 in the House of Commons, Senator Lorna Milne has had second reading of a duplicate bill, S-15, in the Senate -- now in committee. We ask you sincerely, Will you SUPPORT the release of Post-1901 Canadian Census Records? Sincerely hope your answer is a positive ONE, Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> Brampton Centre riding, Ontario Canadian Census Committee member 25 Crestview Avenue, Brampton, Ontario L6W 2R8 1-905-451-3542

. . . click on the following URL, read it carefully, also notice the invitation to "Email Stockwell Day" at the bottom of the page. http://www.canadianalliance.ca/index_e.cfm Gordon Watts and I were curious to learn Mr. Day's feelings about release of Post-1901 Canadian Census Records. I wrote a letter of "Congratulations and Best wishes" -- Gordon Watts was a bit more definite, used the following question in his letter to Mr. Day. When writing to Mr. Day, and I believe many will, should you receive any answers, would you sent these to to either <gordon_watts@telus.net> or <davidson3542@home.com> The Question: Would you, as a Member of the House of Commons of the Parliament of Canada, having placed in that position by the voting citizens of your Constituency, vote FOR or AGAINST a Bill supporting release to the Public of Post 1901 Census Reports after 92 years, starting with the 1906 Census? [The above may be re-worded as you wish but must mean the same] Have fun!!!!! I included my federal riding name, Brampton Centre, so he and his workers would know I meant what I wrote. Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> Brampton Centre Riding Canadian Census Committee

Apologies for posting twice! -- the lines split - Muriel DO YOU EVER WANT TO SEE ANOTHER CENSUS? Have you ever used the 1871, 1881, 1891 AND 1901 census records in your quest to find your ancestors living in various parts of Canada? Have you had the pleasure of learning that great grandfather Thomas was 53 years of age when the 1871 census was taken, or learning through the 1901 census that grandmother Alice was born on July 16, 1892? Census records have been a veritable gold mine for individuals researching their history. They are an important link to the past, a cherished part of our heritage. Do you realize this invaluable research tool will forever be lost to us because of a decision by Statistics Canada with the prompting of the Office of the Privacy Commissioner of Canada? Statistics Canada has decided that the 1911 census is the LAST one which will be made public. The 1911 census, which normally would have been released to the public in 2003, WILL NOT BE AVAILABLE TO RESEARCHERS. This same ruling applies to all subsequent census records held by Statistics Canada. This issue has been the subject of much recent dialogue between officials of the National Archives and Statistics Canada. What normally would happen, is that the 1911 census records would be microfilmed and transferred to the National Archives of Canada, held by them until the expiration of 92 years following the taking of the census (2003) and then released to the public. The 92-year rule was established by government in the Regulations made pursuant to the Privacy Act. It permits the release of census records ONCE THEY HAVE BEEN DEPOSITED IN THE NATIONAL ARCHIVES after 92 years have elapsed following the taking of the census. It was on this basis that the 1891 and 1901 census records were released to the public. Although its reasons are far from clear, Statistics Canada's stand on this issue may be partly due to a belief that a guarantee of confidentiality will make it easier to ensure co-operation during further population enumerations. The Office of the Privacy Commissioner was actually pressing to have the 1911 census records destroyed. Fortunately the National Archivist refused to grant Statistics Canada its necessary approval. Not to be outdone its efforts to maintain total secrecy over these records, Statistics Canada has simply decided not to transfer its records to the custody and control of the National Archives. By so doing, the department has circumvented the 92-year rule prescribed by the Regulations made under the Privacy Act. Be assured, there is nothing, absolutely nothing, different in the type of information contained in the 1911 census from that shown in the 1891 and 1901 census records which we have all seen. Granted, the rules under which the 1911 census was taken may have differed, but the basic information covered is identical. So where is the invasion of privacy which is of so much concern? This decision has outraged the archival community, genealogists and our historians, but to no avail. The 1911 census and all future census records will remain closed ......UNLESS..... What can you and I do? Well, we can make our voices heard, LOUD AND CLEAR, to the politicians and to the bureaucrats who have made this unhappy decision. This is what you can do: * First and foremost, write to your local Member of Parliament and express your dismay. * Write to the Chief Statistician, Dr. Ivan Fellegi and express your concern over his decision to avoid what the government intended by failing to deposit the 1911 census records with the National Archives of Canada. His address is: 120 Parkdale Avenue, Ottawa, Ontario, K1A 0T6. * Write to the Hon. John Manley, PC, MP, the Minister of Industry to whom Statistics Canada reports and express your indignation over this turn of events. Ask him to provide you with the reason for this cloak of secrecy. His address is: The House of Commons, Ottawa, Ontario, K1A 0A6. * Write to the Hon. Sheila Copps, PC, MP, the Minister of Heritage and urge her to take this matter up personally with her colleague, the Minister of Industry. Her address is: The House of Commons, Ottawa, Ontario, K1A 0A6. Our friends to the south of us are now awaiting the release of the 1930 census to the U.S. National Archives - the information contained in their records is generally the same found in our census. Their practice has not brought their nation to its knees on the sacrificial altar of "privacy". Why should we be different? Why shouldn't the 92-year rule prescribed by the government be respected? If you ever want to see another census record, I urge you to become active! When writing to the House of Commons - there is no need for a postage stamp - all it takes is a moment of your time. If you e-mail your protest, also print out a copy and mail it. The delete key doesn't work on "snail mail". LYN WINTERS, Gloucester, Ontario. The author is a retired Officer of the R.C.M.P. and a former employee of the Office of the Information Commissioner of Canada, plus a member of the Canadian Census Committee. ============================== Answer:- http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Farm/7843/poll.html Go to Michelle Doucette's ACADIAN GENEALOGY You will find some interesting letters and a great deal of Acadian genealogy. There may be a NEW site at this URL as the 2004 Acadian Mondial will be held in Nova Scotia. Go exploring!! -- I did -- if you find something does not work, let me know. Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> Canadian Census Committee

DO YOU EVER WANT TO SEE ANOTHER CENSUS? Have you ever used the 1871, 1881, 1891 AND 1901 census records in your quest to find your ancestors living in various parts of Canada? Have you had the pleasure of learning that great grandfather Thomas was 53 years of age when the 1871 census was taken, or learning through the 1901 census that grandmother Alice was born on July 16, 1892? Census records have been a veritable gold mine for individuals researching their history. They are an important link to the past, a cherished part of our heritage. Do you realize this invaluable research tool will forever be lost to us because of a decision by Statistics Canada with the prompting of the Office of the Privacy Commissioner of Canada? Statistics Canada has decided that the 1911 census is the LAST one which will be made public. The 1911 census, which normally would have been released to the public in 2003, WILL NOT BE AVAILABLE TO RESEARCHERS. This same ruling applies to all subsequent census records held by Statistics Canada. This issue has been the subject of much recent dialogue between officials of the National Archives and Statistics Canada. What normally would happen, is that the 1911 census records would be microfilmed and transferred to the National Archives of Canada, held by them until the expiration of 92 years following the taking of the census (2003) and then released to the public. The 92-year rule was established by government in the Regulations made pursuant to the Privacy Act. It permits the release of census records ONCE THEY HAVE BEEN DEPOSITED IN THE NATIONAL ARCHIVES after 92 years have elapsed following the taking of the census. It was on this basis that the 1891 and 1901 census records were released to the public. Although its reasons are far from clear, Statistics Canada's stand on this issue may be partly due to a belief that a guarantee of confidentiality will make it easier to ensure co-operation during further population enumerations. The Office of the Privacy Commissioner was actually pressing to have the 1911 census records destroyed. Fortunately the National Archivist refused to grant Statistics Canada its necessary approval. Not to be outdone its efforts to maintain total secrecy over these records, Statistics Canada has simply decided not to transfer its records to the custody and control of the National Archives. By so doing, the department has circumvented the 92-year rule prescribed by the Regulations made under the Privacy Act. Be assured, there is nothing, absolutely nothing, different in the type of information contained in the 1911 census from that shown in the 1891 and 1901 census records which we have all seen. Granted, the rules under which the 1911 census was taken may have differed, but the basic information covered is identical. So where is the invasion of privacy which is of so much concern? This decision has outraged the archival community, genealogists and our historians, but to no avail. The 1911 census and all future census records will remain closed ......UNLESS..... What can you and I do? Well, we can make our voices heard, LOUD AND CLEAR, to the politicians and to the bureaucrats who have made this unhappy decision. This is what you can do: * First and foremost, write to your local Member of Parliament and express your dismay. * Write to the Chief Statistician, Dr. Ivan Fellegi and express your concern over his decision to avoid what the government intended by failing to deposit the 1911 census records with the National Archives of Canada. His address is: 120 Parkdale Avenue, Ottawa, Ontario, K1A 0T6. * Write to the Hon. John Manley, PC, MP, the Minister of Industry to whom Statistics Canada reports and express your indignation over this turn of events. Ask him to provide you with the reason for this cloak of secrecy. His address is: The House of Commons, Ottawa, Ontario, K1A 0A6. * Write to the Hon. Sheila Copps, PC, MP, the Minister of Heritage and urge her to take this matter up personally with her colleague, the Minister of Industry. Her address is: The House of Commons, Ottawa, Ontario, K1A 0A6. Our friends to the south of us are now awaiting the release of the 1930 census to the U.S. National Archives - the information contained in their records is generally the same found in our census. Their practice has not brought their nation to its knees on the sacrificial altar of "privacy". Why should we be different? Why shouldn't the 92-year rule prescribed by the government be respected? If you ever want to see another census record, I urge you to become active! When writing to the House of Commons - there is no need for a postage stamp - all it takes is a moment of your time. If you e-mail your protest, also print out a copy and mail it. The delete key doesn't work on "snail mail". LYN WINTERS, Gloucester, Ontario. The author is a retired Officer of the R.C.M.P. and a former employee of the Office of the Information Commissioner of Canada, plus a member of the Canadian Census Committee. ============================== Answer:- http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Farm/7843/poll.html Go to Michelle Doucette's ACADIAN GENEALOGY You will find some interesting letters and a great deal of Acadian genealogy. There may be a NEW site at this URL as the 2004 Acadian Mondial will be held in Nova Scotia. Go exploring!! -- I did -- if you find something does not work, let me know. Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> Canadian Census Committee