To all:- A tip of the hat to a number of Canadian Alliance Members of Parliament who have been wise to SUPPORT release of post-1901 census records to National Archives. Following legislation change, and release to the National Archives, family researchers will be able to research 1911 in 2003. http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census/index6.htm This is the site of the Member of Parliament Scoreboard, to be published provincially BEFORE the next federal election. At present, give Mr. Stockwell Day the well-known BLUE ? -- he has not replied -- he may not be an elected MP as yet, but we want his views! SUPPORTIVE: - Canadian Alliance Members of Parliament----- Mrs. Diane Ablonczy Rick Casson David Chatters Miss Deborah Grey Dr. Grant Hill Rahim Jaffer Jason Kenney Eric Lowther Ian McClelland Deepak Obhrai Jack Ramsay Myron Thompson NOT QUITE CERTAIN WHETHER TO SAY "YES" OR "NO" MPs:- Canadian Alliance Members of Parliament:- [Still clinging to their personal little piece of green fence} Leon Benoit Preston Manning Charlie Penson John Williams Members of Parliament WHO DID NOT ANSWER - many have written:- Liberal Party:- The Hon. David Kilgour The Hon. Anne McLellan Canadian Alliance Party:- Ken Epp Peter Goldring Cliff Breitkreuz Art Hanger Dale Johnston Bob Mills Monte Solberg A number of ASSISTANTS have written -- no memo to post as yet. I learned three ?interesting? bits of information from a Preston Manning office memo:- 1. Motion M-160, put forth by Jason Kenney, is believed to have been defeated in June -- the official calendar and his office say NOT SO! 2. New email addresses for Canadian Alliance parties, only two were given:- <kenney@canadianalliance.ca> and <harris@canadianalliance.ca> 3. Mr. Preston Manning is not fully informed about the census release problem -- he has been sent THE MYTHS OF CENSUS but it is possibly on a shelf or basket in the office! I'm scratching my head -- wondering if this applies to all CA MPs. We have not been told, contact <gordon_watts@telus.net> Remember, anyone may write to the "fence-sitters" and "non-repliers". Have fun!!! We still want to hear Stockwell Day's opinion -- I will likely receive Joe Clark's viewpoint first!!!!!! [Mr. Clark should realize the Nova Scotians are avid family researchers]. Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> Canadian Census Committee http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Farm/7843/poll.html 25 Crestview Avenue Brampton, Ontario L6W 2R8

Hi Leland. Thanks for the email address for Herb Dhaliwal. It has been added to the MP Scoreboard. So far as getting a positive response from Mr. Dhaliwal, or any other Cabinet members, it is likely a lost cause. It is probably a case of Jean Chretien telling them "When I want your opinion, I will give it to you!" Thanks for your continuing interest and support. Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> To: Leland Harvie <ab018@chebucto.ns.ca>; <gordon_watts@telus.net>; <davidson3542@home.com>; <CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 7:40 AM Subject: Re: Herb Dhaliwal > Many thanks, Leland!! Do you have any others with "Hon." titles in > your file cabinet? One lister received a reply from him, not a positive > reply -- but a reply nevertheless. > Many thanks, > Muriel <davidson3542@home.com> > ----------------------------------------------------- > Leland Harvie wrote: > > > The first on your list of missing MPs, Herb Dhaliwal is > > the Minister of Fisheries. Try this address. > > > > To contact the Minister of the Department of Fisheries > > and Oceans, please send an e-mail message to: > > E-Mail: Min@dfo-mpo.gc.ca > > (Please include your postal and e-mail > > address) > > Or write to: > > The Honourable Herb Dhaliwal > > HOUSE OF COMMONS > > Minister, Fisheries and Oceans Canada > > Parliament Buildings, > > Wellington Street > > Ottawa, Ontario, > > Canada, K1A 0A6 > > > > In his biography on the Fisheries and Oceans web site, it appears that he > > has an interest in heritage and family, being a patron of the Museum of > > Canadian Civilization and active with Indian-Canadian cultural groups, one > > would expect a positive response but being a minister of the crown is > > probably hesitant to speak his own mind until Minister Manley makes a > > statement in regard to the Select Committee's report. > > > > Regards, > > L. Harvie > > Halifax NS >

Many thanks to Robert S. Paulin <rspaulin@netcom.ca> for the many filled sheets of signatures -- total was 151, Bob, not 150! Many may not know it, but Robert Paulin is one of the "quiet" members of the Canadian Census Committee. I filled in the place where signatures were collected as BRITISH COLUMBIA, the towns & cities mentioned were many. These petition sheets will be given to Lorna Milne for the Senate of Canada -- a great addition to the ones I have beside me. Senator Lorna Milne has had second reading of her Bill S-15, mentions census from time to time "to keep the matter in the forefront". Many thanks to all who signed, Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> Canadian Census Committee

To all:- A tip of the hat to a number of Canadian Alliance Members of Parliament who have been wise to SUPPORT release of post-1901 census records to National Archives. Following legislation change, and release to the National Archives, family researchers will be able to research 1911 in 2003. http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census/index6.htm This is the site of the Member of Parliament Scoreboard, to be published provincially BEFORE the next federal election. At present, give Mr. Stockwell Day the well-known BLUE ? -- he has not replied -- he may not be an elected MP as yet, but we want his views! SUPPORTIVE: - Canadian Alliance Members of Parliament----- John Cummins John Duncan Reed Elley Bill Gilmour Gurmant Grewal Gary Lunn Dr. Keith Martin Grant McNally Val Meredith John Reynolds Darrel Stinson Chuck Strahl [You will notice JIM HART is not listed above -- he has a GOLD tick, has resigned his seat in the House of Commons so Stockwell Day can try to be elected -- we have not heard from either HART or DAY] SUPPORTIVE:- NDP Members of Parliament----- Nelson Riis Svend Robinson NOT QUITE CERTAIN WHETHER TO SAY "YES" OR "NO" MPs:- [Still clinging to their personal little piece of green fence} Liberal Members of Parliament:- The Hon. David Anderson The Hon. Hedy Fry Ted McWhinney Lou Sekora Canadian Alliance Members of Parliament:- [Still clinging to their personal little piece of green fence} Chuck Cadman Richard Harris Jay Hill I learned two ?interesting? bits of information from a Preston Manning office memo:- 1. Motion M-160, put forth by Jason Kenney, is believed to have been defeated in June -- the official calendar and his office say NOT SO! 2. New email addresses for Canadian Alliance parties, only two were given:- kenney@canadianalliance.ca and harris@canadianalliance.ca I'm scratching my head -- wondering if this applies to all CA MPs. We have not been told, contact <gordon_watts@telus.net> Remember, anyone may write to the "fence-sitters" and "non-repliers". Have fun!!! We still want to hear Stockwell Day's opinion -- wonder if I will receive Joe Clark's viewpoint first -- likely will!!! Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> Canadian Census Committee http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Farm/7843/poll.html

Greetings All. FYI Gordon ----------------------------------------- Mr. Rob Anders, MP Dear Mr. Anders I am writing in regard to your recent correspondence, via your assistant Bill Bewick, with Muriel M. Davidson relating to Access to Post 1901 Census, the text of which is copied below. We currently show you on our MPs Scoreboard located at http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census as having taken a position opposing access to Census records 92 years after collection as allowed in Regulations attached to the Privacy Act. It would appear, from your correspondence with Ms. Davidson, and others that I have seen, that your main objection to access of this information has to do with the concept of breaking the "promise" of never-ending confidentiality of Census that Statistics Canada states was made by the government of Sir Wilfred Laurier in 1905/1906. I have great news for you. You can support allowing access to Post 1901 Census records with a clear conscience, and with no fear that you would be breaking a "promise" made by previous governments. My submission to the Expert Panel on Access to Historic Census records, entitled "The Myths of Census" proves conclusively that this "promise" does not exist. A promise never made cannot be broken. The files for my submission were previously sent to you attached to an email. Should you be unable to locate those files I would be more than happy to send them to you again. Your correspondence mentions having ordered information from the Library of Parliament to "get a better idea of what people's understanding was back then regarding future use of the data." During extensive research in preparation for my submission to the Expert Panel I compiled a CD-ROM that contains a great deal of support documentation, including extracted Debates of the House of Commons and the Senate from Hansard for the critical years of 1905 and 1918, Instructions to Officers and Enumerators for most Censuses from 1871 to 1946, extracts from the Canada Gazette, and more. Nowhere in any documented source of information has there been any mention of "promise" of confidentiality relating to personal information contained in Census. I would be happy to send you a copy of this CD-ROM should you so request. The research and compilation of this information took an average of 12 to 14 hours per day, every day, for more than two months. I think it unlikely that the staff of the Library of Parliament would spend the same amount of time to provide to you the amount of comprehensive data I can provide. I might add that the release of Historic Census to the National Archives according to Regulation, and the subsequent access of the public to that information, is entirely consistent with the purposes for which it was collected. Aside from a clause regarding Secrecy (in contemporary terms), Instructions to Officers and Enumerators contained clauses that stated Census had value for Historic purposes, would be deposited in the National Archives, and would be available for future research. I would urge that you read my submission to the Expert Panel and, having done so, reconsider your response to the question "Would you, as an elected Member of the House of Commons of the Parliament of Canada, vote FOR or AGAINST a Bill supporting release to the Public, of Post 1901 Census Records, 92 years after they were recorded, starting with the 1906 Census." I have several times asked of Statistics Canada and Privacy Commissioner Bruce Phillips to "Show me the Promise". I have asked for documented proof of this "promise." To date they have been unable to provide any such documentation. Regarding my submission to the Expert Panel, or anything else I have stated regarding the Census issue, I have stated "If you can prove me wrong, please do so." I would ask the same of you. Should you doubt the truth of my statements I invite you to ask these same questions of Statistics Canada. I would welcome any comments you might have regarding my submission. I would respectfully request a personal response to this message. Thank you. Gordon A. WATTS gordon_watts@telus.net 1455 Delia Drive Port Coquitlam, BC V3C 2V9 Tel (604) 942-6889 Fax (604) 942-6843 Keep up to date on Post 1901 Census information at http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census/index.htm Join the CANADA CENSUS CAMPAIGN List at CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN-L-request@rootsweb.com Read my Post 1901 Census column in the Global Gazette http://www.globalgenealogy.com/gazette.htm ------------------------------------------------------ Dear Ms. Davidson, Thanks for your support of the Party. As you know, Jason Kenney has a private members bill that supports your position. We have ordered information from the Library of Parliament to get a better idea of what people's understanding was back then regarding future use of the data. The genealogists acknowledge that people were told if they asked that the information would only be used for statistical purposes. It is not clear if this was considered a short term or long term promise. If its relatively clear that there was no time limit on the promise, I doubt Mr. Anders will be willing to support the breaking of it. He feels bad about it though, given how important this is to people like you. We'll see what happens. Thanks again for your dedication, Bill Bewick, Office Assistant for Rob Anders, MP for Calgary West

To all, especially:- The Hon. Ethel Blondin-Andrew (L) [NWT] <Blondin-Andrew.E@parl.gc.ca> Ms. Louise Hardy (NDP) [YUKON] <Hardy.L@parl.gc.ca> Ms. Nancy Karetak-Lindell (L) [NUNAVUT] <Karetak-Lindell.N@parl.gc.ca> ------------------------------------------------- A long time ago, I had a message from Louise Hardy, saying she would phone me -- so far no word from her!!! There are family researchers in above areas who are also VOTERS -- the Member of Parliament Scoreboard is colorful -- will be printed provincially BEFORE THE NEXT FEDERAL ELECTION. It is estimated there are at least 7.5 or more million family researchers in Canada -- many are already watching the scoreboard as we know an election is coming in the not too far distant future. The ELECTED ones think they represent only their own constituents -- but census release is a big issue -- THEY represent ALL of CANADA. As the above possibly have forgotten about the census release question, here are several refresher sites:- http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census/index6.htm [Future colors desired only GOLD and RED] THE MYTHS OF CENSUS by Gordon Watts is printable from http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Farm/7843/poll.html [Every MP received a copy -- likely in the office] The above three people are your representatives, contact them, obtain a YES or No answer of support re census release. Should you receive any answer at all, please forward to either Gordon A. Watts <gordon_watts@telus.net> Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> Canadian Census Committee 25 Crestview Avenue Brampton, Ontario L6W 2R8 1-905-451-3542

The following was sent to Members of Parliament as noted:- QUEBEC:- The Right Hon. Jean Chretien - Liberal <pm@pm.gc.ca> The Hon. Alfonso Gagliano - Liberal <Gagliano.A@parl.gc.ca> Clifford Lincoln - Liberal <Lincoln.C@parl.gc.ca> The Hon. Lucienne Robillard - Liberal <Robillard.L@parl.gc.ca> ANYONE WILLING TO WRITE TO ABOVE ELECTED MEMBERS OF PARLIAMENT? The provincial scoreboard leaves a lot to be desired!! -------------------------------------------------------- To all Members of Parliament and Office Assistants:- The answer to the Subject Line question is bluntly this:- When the Member of Parliament hangs onto the little piece of YES/NO green fence, being Non-Committal -- he/she could say YES, or could say NO. The Province of Quebec has 75 elected Members of Parliament, four "fence-sitters" listed above, we want a definite YES or NO. Total making a commitment is 10 -- leaving 65 BLUE ?? [No answers] FOUR others who have committed themselves and have GOLD TICKS:- Andre Bachand - PC / Ghislain Lebel - Bloc/ David Price - PC Diane St.-Jacques - PC To be posted: Yves Rocheleau - Bloc / Louis Plamondon - Bloc Also, some answers have been received from office assistants (we do not know if the Member of Parliament saw the memo) telling us "THEY" do not answer SURVEYS. [Assistants are not elected]. The question re Post-1901 census records release is very definitely NOT a survey --- the voters across Canada who like to do family history and need the 1906 and 1911 census want to know if their elected member will be SUPPORTIVE of census records release. Many Members of Parliament are being guided by incorrect, out-of-date publicity handouts, of which I already have received about 75!! Voters in Canada hope their elected Member will be able to answer FOR THEM -- not as the Party Caucus dictates. A vote on census release should be a FREE vote -- I will believe that when I hear it!! We have become accustomed to listening to House proceedings on CPAC -- we now recognize those in attendance and sincerely hope the Member of Parliament remembers who elected him or her. However, with a needed legislation change, Members may feel they represent only a handful of the Canadian public -- BUT they represent ALL citizens of Canada on this important vote. There are more than 7.5 million family researchers in Canada -- found in every riding. For researched material, printable -- copies had been sent to all of THE MYTHS OF CENSUS by Gordon Watts -- go to http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Farm/7843/poll.html The Scoreboard -- to be PUBLISHED by provinces BEFORE a federal election: http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census/index6.htm When a message is received, it is posted by Gordon Watts. Looking forward to POSITIVE messages of SUPPORT for any Motion or Bill to release the post-1901 census records to National Archives. Your little piece of fence to which you are presently clinging or the BLUE ? will be quickly changed to GOLD if SUPPORTIVE. Messages received in both French and English (francais et anglais) Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> 25 Crestview Avenue Brampton, Ontario L6W 2R8 Canadian Census Committee

To all:- The residents of Prince Edward Island elected THEIR Members of Parliament to speak on THEIR behalf when in Ottawa. Now, we ask the residents to contact these MPs for their views on the release of Post-1901 census records for all of us to research. I will gladly accept answers from residents of PEI -- and hope when the MPs Scoreboard is posted PROVINCIALLY, Prince Edward Island will be glowing with GOLD -- meaning YES and SUPPORT. Those cute little pieces of green fence mean NOTHING -- neither YES or NO -- The MPs are either FOR (YES) or AGAINST (NO) census release for FAMILY RESEARCHERS (voters) to use in 2003. Present Prince Edward Island totals:- YES = 0; Undecided = 2; No answer = 2 Gordon Watts has done a fantastic job with the Scoreboard at http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census/index6.htm Find YOUR Member of Parliament -- We have found MPs reply to those of their own riding -- as they would like to be re-elected. However, the Canadian Census Committee is from coast-to-coast!! Suggest to the Member of Parliament they look around the office and find the copy of THE MYTHS OF CENSUS sent to each one by Gordon Watts - with a CD available if they request it. (One MP printed off the whole 100 pages -- then found the envelope) http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Farm/7843/poll.html So -- to all researchers who want the 1906 and 1911 census and others, let's get busy -- a few of us cannot do it for you!!!! We have tried -- but we find many ASSISTANTS replying with OLD information provided by Statcan, Fellegi, etc. We wish to hear from the elected Member!! Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> Canada Census Committee Brampton Centre riding! 25 Crestview Avenue Brampton, Ontario L6W 2R8 1-905-451-3542

To Jean Marie Clemenger, Personal Assistant:- The "gossip" flows freely on Parliament Hill, especially re the supposed defeat of Jason Kenney's Motion M-160. This is happening because Jason happens to be of a political party other than Liberal. The THIRD and FINAL hour of debate and VOTE on Motion M-160 will be on September 20, 2000 - two days after the Sessions resume. We have this directly from Jason Kenney's office. As for the little piece of fence to which Mr. Manning is clinging, he might be the only one who has not made a commitment -- YES/NO is not a definite answer -- many voters are family historians. The Member of Parliament Scoreboard will be published prior to the next election -- we guarantee that -- it is already in provinces! http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census/index6.htm To improve Mr. Manning's expertise in this census matter, print or find THE MYTHS OF CENSUS by Gordon Watts - sent earlier this year:- http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Farm/7843/poll.html As he would be voted on in Alberta, he should also read up on MEMORANDUM OF LAW by Lois Sparling, Alberta barrister. [The Alberta 1906 census records should have been released 1998] Both will improve his knowledge -- more than the outdated sheets from Statistics Canada. Hopefully, Mr. Manning's NEW symbol will shine as brightly as the GOLD tick beside Jason Kenney's name!!!! (It means YES and SUPPORT!) Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> 25 Crestview Avenue Brampton, Ontario L6W 2R8 -------------------------------------------- "Manning, Preston - Assistant 2" wrote: > Preston Manning, M.P. > Calgary Southwest > > In Mr. Manning's absence, I acknowledge receipt of your message regarding > the release of census records. This is not an area of personal expertise > for Mr. Manning, but you may be interested to know that earlier this year > his colleague, Canadian Alliance MP Jason Kenney, put forward a motion > (M-160) on this issue, calling for the release of 1911 census records once > they have been deposited in the National Archives in 2003. This motion was > DEFEATED by the House of Commons before it adjourned for the summer. > > The Official Opposition will continue to carefully investigate the questions > and issues that the release of census records may raise for genealogists, > historians, researchers, and the general public. > > I invite you to write to Canadian Alliance MPs Jason Kenney or Dick Harris > with any additional information or helpful advice on this issue. They are > the Alliance MPs who will be particularly following this issue on behalf of > the caucus, and their conclusions and advice will weigh heavily with Mr. > Manning. They may be contacted in care of the House of Commons, Ottawa, > Ontario, K1A 0A6, or via e-mail at kenney@canadianalliance.ca > <mailto:kenney@canadianalliance.ca> or harris@canadianalliance.ca > <mailto:harris@canadianalliance.ca> . > > Again, thank you for sharing your views on this issue. I am sure you will > be focusing on encouraging the Government to introduce legislation that will > have a much greater chance of being passed into law than would a motion or > Private Member's Bill from an Opposition member. > > _____________________ > Jean Marie Clemenger > Personal Assistant to Preston Manning, M.P. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Muriel M. Davidson [mailto:davidson3542@home.com] > Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2000 2:24 PM > To: David Anderson - MP; Hedy Fry - MP; Chuck Cadman - > MP; Richard Harris - MP; Jay Hill - MP; Ted McWhinney - MP; Lou Sekora - MP; > Leon Benoit - MP; Preston Manning - MP; Charlie Penson - MP; John Williams - > MP; davidson3542@home.com; gordon_watts@telus.net >

Greetings All. FYI Gordon =============================== Ms. Aileen Carroll, MP Dear Ms. Carroll, I am writing in response to an apparent form letter your office recently sent to Mr. Melville R. Andress, a copy of which is copied below. As one of those leading the campaign on the Internet to obtain access to Historic Census records I wish to bring to your attention certain information relating to comments made in this letter, specifically those references made to the Environics Research focus group survey commissioned by Statistics Canada. Your form letter stated: "Although the study has not yet been officially released, early indications are that the study found people objected to retroactively changing legislation to allow disclosure of individual answers. There is in fact little support for releasing the historical data. Most participants felt that the government made a promise of confidentiality and that this should be respected. People who answered those censuses believed their answers would be confidential, and thus it would be a breach to release the information." I have received from Statistics Canada a copy of the Focus Group Survey report and would be more than happy to forward it to you if you should wish. Environics Research conducted six focus group sessions, two in Ottawa, two in Toronto, and two in Montreal. These Focus groups consisted of 10 to 12 participants each for a maximum total of 72. Hardly a number sufficient to warrant statements that Canadian citizens object to allowing access to personal information contained in Historic Census records. The initial statements of the report indicated that: Participants had little or no previous knowledge regarding Census records and policies regarding the release thereof: and The majority of participants saw little or no problem with allowing access to personal information in Census records, 92 or 100 years following collection. It is my considered opinion that the questions in this survey, and the manner in which they were presented, were designed to elicit pre-determined responses. It was only after being fed disputed information regarding the non-existent "promise" of never-ending confidentiality of Census, and mis-interpreted legislation, that opinions of respondents appeared to change. The questions asked in this survey were determined in collaboration with Statistics Canada who have an obvious bias against access. Canadians are essentially a law-abiding people. I would suggest that on any given subject, if respondents to a survey, having no previous knowledge of that subject, were first informed that promises had been made and that legislation existed, and were then asked if those promises should be broken and the legislation ignored, the response would be overwhelmingly negative. The fact is, that while Statistics Canada has promoted the "promise" of never-ending confidentiality, they have been unable to produce any documentary evidence of it's existence. I have asked several times that they "show me the promise". To date they have been unable to do so. On the other hand, my submission to the Expert Panel on Access to Historic Census ("The Myths of Census"), previously sent to you, proves conclusively that the "promise" does not exist. Contrary to the assertion of Statistics Canada that transfer of control of Post 1901 Census records to the National Archives is "explicitly prohibited by law", their refusal to do so is actually a "policy decision." This "policy decision" is based on a number of untried legal opinions from different members of Justice Canada. Each of these legal opinions are basically flawed in that they considered only one clause (15.- Secrecy) contained in "Instructions to Enumerators" for the 1906 Census of the Western Provinces. The flaw in these opinions is that they ignore other clauses in those same Instructions that stated that Census had value for historical records, would be deposited in the National Archives, and would be available for future research. These opinions, not having been tested in a Court of the land are strictly that -- opinions. They are not law. For more than two years, citizens/residents of Canada have written letters and email to their elected representatives, to Statistics Canada, to Industry Minister John Manley, to Heritage Minister Sheila Copps, Prime Minister Jean Chretien, and others, urging continued access to Post 1901 Census records, 92 years after collection, as allowed under Regulations attached to the Privacy Act. Statistics Canada last fall indicated they had received more than 3500 email and letters supporting access. Members of Parliament have received untold thousands of letters and email. Petitions have been submitted from various genealogical and historical associations. I have personally sent to MP Murray Calder petitions containing more than 6000 signatures. These petitons were presented to the House this past Spring. I am aware of other petitions to the Senate and the House of Commons containing several thousands of signatures. I continue to receive petitions supporting access to Post 1901 Census records. Should the results of a survey of 72 respondents, being fed mis-information that elicits pre-determined responses, override the concerns of 12,000 to 15,000 and more, who have written letters and email, and signed petitions? I think not!! I urge you to read my submission to the Expert Panel previously sent to you. (I will gladly resend it if it has been lost.) After having read it I would ask of you once more the question: "Would you, as an elected Member of the House of Commons of the Parliament of Canada, vote FOR or AGAINST a Bill supporting release to the Public, of Post 1901 Census Records, 92 years after they were recorded, starting with the 1906 Census?" In regards to my submission to the Expert Panel I would also ask of you: "If you can prove me wrong, please do so." I would appreciate a personal response to this message, not a form letter from your staff that does not deal with the points I have raised, and which only repeats that which I am already aware of. I would very much like to change your position on the MP's Scoreboard from one of "non-committal" to one of "support". Thank you. Sincerely Gordon A. WATTS gordon_watts@telus.net Canada Census Committee 1455 Delia Drive Port Coquitlam, BC V3C 2V9 Tel (604) 942-6889 Fax (604) 942-6843 Keep up to date on Post 1901 Census information at http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census/index.htm Join the CANADA CENSUS CAMPAIGN List at CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN-L-request@rootsweb.com Read my Post 1901 Census column in the Global Gazette http://www.globalgenealogy.com/gazette.htm ============================== Dear Constituent, Thank you for your letter on the issue of release of census data. This matter has been a subject of concern for family history researchers for some time. As you know, Statistics Canada is prohibiting from disclosing census returns filed in 1906 and later. A Private Members' Bill is in the system to amend the privacy legislation, but Statistics Canada has undertaken its own study to ascertain the support among Canadians for incorporating the researchers' and historians' request in government legislation. Although the study has not yet been officially released, early indications are that the study found people objected to retroactively changing legislation to allow disclosure of individual answers. There is in fact little support for releasing the historical data. Most participants felt that the government made a promise of confidentiality and that this should be respected. People who answered those censuses believed their answers would be confidential, and thus it would be a breach to release the information. However, there are yet arguments to be studied on both sides, and I will ensure that your request is seen by Mrs. Carroll for her consideration. Sincerely, Mary Ellen Torobin, Aide to Aileen Carroll, M.P. M. Aileen Carroll, M.P., Barrie-Simcoe-Bradford.

To all: Due to requests, I am attempting to learn where Canadians need to do some work IF family researchers WANT post-1901 census records released. We all know Newfoundland is unique -- their census is open up to 1935, at least -- I have visited the sites many times and applaud the volunteers. Data posted is all that is necessary for any family search -- names, ages, relationships, etc. However, all this could change -- I do not believe the posted census could be removed, as Newfoundland only became a province in 1949. In contrast, Alberta, Manitoba and Saskatchewan have NEVER had a Canadian census record released -- the 1906 was a special one that should have been released in 1998. There are FIVE Liberal Members who have not answered their constituents and forget the Scoreboard will be published before the next election. Family research is popular in Newfoundland -- the memos are terrific. Go to: http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census/index6.htm A round of applause for NORMAN DOYLE and LOYOLA HEARN, of the St. John's East and West ridings respectively -- they are in PC Party. Bombard YOUR constituent with letters, phone calls, whatever -- YOU need answers before THEY come asking for your vote!!!!! Should you receive an answer, please forward to either Gordon Watts <gordon_watts@telus.net> or Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> 25 Crestview Avenue, Brampton, Ontario L6W 2R8 THE MYTHS OF CENSUS by Gordon Watts is printable - should be read http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Farm/7843/poll.html

To all:- The latest census update of July 25, 2000 showed the following:- FOR / YES-----------------87 AGAINST/NO---------- 6 NON-COMMITAL----52 NO RESPONSE-------156 ------------------------------------------- The basis of all family research and genealogy are census records. Of the 156 who have not bothered to answer even their constituents, 52 of these are in the Province of Ontario, 51 are Liberal Party. One Member sits as an Independent -- possibly on leave of absence at present -- John Nunziata. Clinging to the cute little pieces of YES/NO fence are 25 Liberals many call them "fence-sitters" -- SOMEONE ELSE NEEDS TO WRITE TO THESE ELECTED MEMBERS OF PARLIAMENT. Sporting GOLD ticks, meaning YES for SUPPORT, are 22 Liberals and 1 Progressive-Conservative. David Pratt, Julian Reed and Janko Peric have large RED Xs for NO. YOU may check my figures by going to: http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census/index6.htm The Scoreboard shows how the elected Members of Parliament feel about SUPPORT on any legislation change and post-1901 census records release to National Archives - and to us, in 2003. The Members of Parliament represent at least 7.5 million family researchers with constituents also VOTERS -- the scoreboard WILLl be published before the next federal election, we promise. Should any constituent obtain an answer from his/her Member of Parliament, please forward to:- Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> 25 Crestview Avenue, Brampton ON L6W 2R8 http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Farm/7843/poll.html Read/Print THE MYTHS OF CENSUS by Gordon Watts

To all:- Very possibly writing letters is not your way to assist -- but PETITIONS is another very necessary way! Go to the following URL: http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census/petition.htm The PETITION MENU is varied -- you will be able to choose which one you wish to download -- all are 3 pages, and you might have to adjust the margins just a bit. Addresses are on the PETITIONS -- ones to the House of Commons go to Gordon Watts, 1455 Delia Drive, Port Coquitlam, BC V3C 2V9 I accept all PETITIONS for the Senate of Canada that are not mailed directly to a Senator at the Senate, also the Petition of Support for those Living Outside of Canada, to be used by Senator Lorna Milne. PETITIONS are in two favorites, Word (.doc) and WordPerfect (.wpd) Text is also available from <gordon_watts@telus.net> HOUSE OF COMMONS Petitions have both English and French versions. THE SENATE OF CANADA Petitions also has English and French NON-CANADA Petition is in English only. REQUEST:- Should you have guests from United States, they MUST sign the Non-Canada version -- do NOT combine Canadian and American or other signatures on the same petition. (It could be refused at Senate by a special committee checking paperwork). Also, Non-Canadians should not sign petitions for House of Commons. I have been receiving petitions at the rate of one a day, both from Canada and United States --- keep them coming, please! The Meaning of Petitions:- WE cannot be there in person, but OUR signature can be. This is vacation time -- carry one with you!!! Great for campground fires! Family reunions are a big thing during the summer -- have both Canadian and Non-Canadian on hand. Any problem? Contact either Gordon Watts or myself. Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> Canadian Census Committee member Print and read THE MYTHS OF CENSUS by Gordon Watts http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Farm/7843/poll.html

To all: Many Canadians are actively researching their families but will be hampered if Post-1901 census release legislation is not passed. An internet campaign has been vigorous, some results have been forthcoming -- but we have a long way to go, with a one-party dominated Parliament. Should you be interested, here are a few items to research:- Archives: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/CAN/CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN.html Gordon Watts has done a fantastic job with the Scoreboard at http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census/index6.htm Find YOUR Member of Parliament -- will likely be one with a Blue ? as there are many who have not replied. We have found MPs reply to those of their own riding -- as they would like to be re-elected. As of July 25, 2000 (with more changes to follow):- YES (Gold tick).. = 87 (read the messages received from them) NO (Red X)......... = 6 (Some have been studying and are changing) Undecided (F) = 52 (this includes our Prime Minister) Not heard from = 156 I do not have the totals of listers, nor the names of those belonging to the list but the 156 tells me there should be ONE person for each lister to write to, asking support for ANY Bills or Motions re post-1901 Census. Courtesy of Jeannine Ouellet, there have been French language memos sent -- but anyone may write to his/her Member of Parliament. Suggest to the Member of Parliament they look around the office and find the copy of THE MYTHS OF CENSUS sent to each one by Gordon Watts - with a CD available if they request it. (One MP printed off the whole 100 pages -- then found the envelope) http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Farm/7843/poll.html For those in the three prairie provinces, MEMORANDUM OF LAW by Lois Sparling, Alberta barrister, should be read -- the 1906 census SHOULD have been available in 1998: http://www.waynecook.com/simcoe.shtml To add a more frightening tone to census, the standings of the Senate are: Liberals = 59; Progressive Conservative = 39; Independent = 5, a total of 103. By Liberals dominating the Senate, any census bill or motion could be turned DOWN as they all vote alike -- the Clarity Bill C-20 was voted in, with many bad sections, by a "loaded" Senate. So -- to all researchers who want the 1906 and 1911 census and others, let's get busy -- a few of us cannot do it for you!!!! We have tried -- but we find many ASSISTANTS replying with OLD information provided by Statscan, Fellegi, etc. For those who prefer to write and mail, postage is FREE:- NAME & RIDING, House of Commons, Ottawa, Ontario K1A 0A6 http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census/index6.htm Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> Canada Census Committee Brampton Centre riding! 25 Crestview Avenue Brampton, Ontario L6W 2R8 1-905-451-3542

The following was sent to Members of Parliament as noted:- BRITISH COLUMBIA:- The Hon. David Anderson The Hon. Hedy Fry Chuck Cadman Richard Harris Jay Hill Ted McWhinney Lou Sekora ALBERTA:- Leon Benoit Preston Manning Charlie Penson John Williams ANYONE WILLING TO WRITE TO ABOVE ELECTED MEMBERS OF PARLIAMENT? -------------------------------------------------------- To all Members of Parliament and Office Assistants:- The answer to the Subject Line question is bluntly this:- When the Member of Parliament hangs onto the little piece of YES/NO green fence, being Non-Committal -- he/she could say YES, or could say NO. Also, some answers have been received from office assistants (we do not know if the Member of Parliament saw the memo) telling us "THEY" do not answer SURVEYS. [Assistants are not elected]. The question re Post-1901 census records release is very definitely NOT a survey --- the voters across Canada who like to do family history and need the 1906 and 1911 census want to know if their elected member will be SUPPORTIVE of census records release. Many Members of Parliament are being guided by incorrect, out-of-date publicity handouts, of which I already have received about 75!! Voters in Canada hope their elected Member will be able to answer FOR THEM -- not as the Party Caucus dictates. A vote on census release should be a FREE vote -- I will believe that when I hear it!! We have become accustomed to listening to House proceedings on CPAC -- we now recognize those in attendance and sincerely hope the Member of Parliament remembers who elected him or her. However, with a needed legislation change, Members may feel they represent only a handful of the Canadian public -- BUT they represent ALL citizens of Canada on this important vote. There are more than 7.5 million family researchers in Canada -- found in every riding. For researched material, printable -- copies had been sent to all of THE MYTHS OF CENSUS by Gordon Watts -- go to http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Farm/7843/poll.html Alberta Members should also print MEMORANDUM OF LAW. The Scoreboard -- to be published by provinces before a federal election: http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census/index6.htm When a message is received, it is posted by Gordon Watts. Looking forward to POSITIVE messages of SUPPORT for any Motion or Bill to release the post-1901 census records to National Archives. Your little piece of fence to which you are presently clinging will be quickly changed to a GOLD tick!!!!!! Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> 25 Crestview Avenue Brampton, Ontario L6W 2R8 Canadian Census Committee

Many thanks to Marilyn Steranko, Special Assistant:- It is our sincere hope that The Hon. Ralph Goodale will either write or dictate a POSITIVE answer re our census release question -- there are many family researchers, even among the ones who voted for him. There is a place for posting messages on the MP Scoreboard: http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census/index6.htm Click on the names of the MP at the left, this will bring you to the message posting bulletin board for each Member of Parliament. Looking forward to hearing from you and many thanks! Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> Canadian Census Committee http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Farm/7843/poll.html "Ralph Goodale, M.P." wrote: > On behalf of Minister Goodale, I wish to acknowledge receipt of your > recent email. Please be assured it will be brought to the Minister's > attention at the first available opportunity. > > Marilyn Steranka > Special Assistant to > Ralph Goodale, M.P. > Wascana

To all:- The latest update of July 25, 2000 showed the following:- FOR / YES-----------------87 AGAINST/NO---------- 6 NON-COMMITAL----52 NO RESPONSE-------156 ------------------------------------------- Of the 156 who have not bothered to answer even their constituents, at least 66 of these are in the Province of Quebec, mainly Bloc members. Ontario also has too many, mainly members of the Liberal Party. Only ONE province has a symbol for all 11 Members of Parliament and that is Nova Scotia. So far Wendy Lill and Bill Casey like the cute little pieces of fence -- do not seem to want to change -- SOMEONE ELSE needs to write to them. One with a GOLD tick is Scott Brison, MP of Kings-Hants riding, who has given it up so former MP Joe Clark will attempt to be elected. Other GOLD ticks are: PC - 3 and NDP = 5 == Total 9 Gold. Should anyone have Joe Clark's e-mail address, it would be nice to learn his viewpoint re release of post-1901 census records. New Brunswick does not look too bad, only two who need letters: Mr. Charles Hubbard and Mme. Angela Vautour. Three (3) are "fence-sitters" including Elsie Wayne, MP, Saint John, NB Others are GOLD: PC = 5; Liberal = 1, Total of 6. Skipping Quebec and Ontario this evening, we come to Manitoba: The Hon. Lloyd Axworthy and The Hon. Ronald Duhamel should have letters from their consitiuents, or from people of Manitoba. ONE person dares to show up with a RED X, FIVE have not answered. Gold ticks are divided: NDP = 3; Canadian Alliance = 1; PC = 1 and Liberal = 1 Total 6. On to Saskatchewan where The Hon. Ralph Goodale needs help in saying YES or NO. FOUR have not bothered to answer letters, there are NO RED Xs in this province. GOLD ticks are as follows: Canadian Alliance = 4; NDP = 5, Total = 9. YOU may check my figures by going to: http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census/index6.htm Please do not get too hung up about the political party -- there are several changes coming, especially in Ontario. Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Farm/7843/poll.html

To all:- How many check each day to see if Gordon Watts has been working? I do and the results of July 25, 2000 are:- FOR/YES--------------87 (Gerry Ritz, MP -- Battlefords-Lloydminster, SK) AGAINST/NO------ 6 UNDECIDED--------52 (Just cannot seem to say YES or NO) UNKNOWN---------156 (These MPs stress they are too busy to write) The next update will add two Members of Parliament to the YES list:- YVES ROCHELEAU -- Trois Rivieres, Quebec LOUIS PLAMONDON -- Bas-Richelieu -- Nicolet-Becancour The message received was from an assistant -- hopefully Christine, Victor or Jeannine will be able to obtain one for Gordon Watts to post. Let's keep increasing these numbers!!! Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census/index6.htm

Many thanks, Leland!! Do you have any others with "Hon." titles in your file cabinet? One lister received a reply from him, not a positive reply -- but a reply nevertheless. Many thanks, Muriel <davidson3542@home.com> ----------------------------------------------------- Leland Harvie wrote: > The first on your list of missing MPs, Herb Dhaliwal is > the Minister of Fisheries. Try this address. > > To contact the Minister of the Department of Fisheries > and Oceans, please send an e-mail message to: > E-Mail: Min@dfo-mpo.gc.ca > (Please include your postal and e-mail > address) > Or write to: > The Honourable Herb Dhaliwal > HOUSE OF COMMONS > Minister, Fisheries and Oceans Canada > Parliament Buildings, > Wellington Street > Ottawa, Ontario, > Canada, K1A 0A6 > > In his biography on the Fisheries and Oceans web site, it appears that he > has an interest in heritage and family, being a patron of the Museum of > Canadian Civilization and active with Indian-Canadian cultural groups, one > would expect a positive response but being a minister of the crown is > probably hesitant to speak his own mind until Minister Manley makes a > statement in regard to the Select Committee's report. > > Regards, > L. Harvie > Halifax NS

----- Original Message ----- From: Ritz, Gerry - M.P. <Ritz.G@parl.gc.ca> To: Beverley Gutenberg <guteb@sk.sympatico.ca> Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 8:00 AM Subject: release of census Dear Beverley, I have not, nor will I ever be a "fence-sitter"! You have to realize that we receive all sorts of requests for polls and surveys in our Ottawa office and we don't make it a practice responding to every one. I have noted the passion that this issue has stirred among many people in Saskatchewan and I assure you I have no problem supporting the release of century-old information on our ancestors. I have a feeling they wouldn't mind either, as I'm sure the reason they wanted anonymity back then was because they didn't want government authorities interfering in their lives. Different world today, I guess! I am aware my colleague Jason Kenney has a private member's motion M-160 to suggest the government pass the post-1901 census on to the National Archives and I am in favour of this. There is also an MP and a Senator's bill along the same lines and I'm willing to vote in favour of these if they accomplish the task and are not weighed down with any side issues. Sincerely, Gerry Ritz, MP Battlefords--Lloydminster NOTE:- Murray Calder, MP has Bill C-484, in House of Commons Senator Lorna Milne has a duplicate Bill S-15 in the Senate.