When I click on the StatsCan link for this document, Acrobat opens, but nothing appears except a blank screen. Anyone else having this problem. Acrobat 4 in use. Tom Lynch ----- Original Message ----- From: <CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: September 10, 2000 4:47 PM Subject: CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN-D Digest V00 #272

To all readers:- Let us think of today as a NEW BEGINNING!!! 1. We have the Environics Research Report -- printable! You require the Adobe Acrobat reader to view the document. It is 27 pages long and you will probably want to print it out for easy reading. Go to http://www.statcan.ca/english/census96/interm.htm 2. The Hon. John Manley is reading the Report of the Expert Panel. As a special favour to you, to me -- to all who wish the Post-1901 census records released: Please do not send any more "angry word" memos to Members of Parliament -- including Mr. Manley. I know we HAVE been frustrated! We have accomplished much -- now the future can only look better, if we all agree on this little item -- NO FLAMING MEMOS!!! Keep your messages polite but firm. If we antagonize the MPs we stand the risk of them voting against us out of spite. Personally, I would like the 1911 Canadian census records released as much as anyone -- my mother's sister, now 98, has never had her name on a Canadian census. She still keeps asking if the census has been released -- I know she would be very happy to know of release, even though I do not expect her to live to 2003 to read it. The family moved from Bucksport, Maine in 1909, so it would be a FIRST! Family members were my grandfather, George W. Adams, grandmother Jane (Jennie) Conrad Davis; children: Florence, 1900; IVA, 1902; Helen, (my mother) 1904-1986; Doris, 1906; Glenys, 1908. The census listing would not include my Uncle Warren, born 1912 at Liverpool, drowned 1926, Liverpool, Nova Scotia. However, what any constituent says to his/her own Member of Parliament, will be up to their own conscience. We, as the Canada Census Committee, do not wish any more HOT messages to people who are now working for us, with hopefully a suitable decision in the future -- one that will be pleasing to at least 95% of us. Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> Canada Census Committee

Adele, I like your attitude, probably because it is like mine, I wrote to my MP Jim Jones several times and it got stronger every time, in late August he sent a great letter and voted YES. However, he is now an Alliance member, not sure where that leaves him in Ottawa, he was sitting as an Ind. since Joe Clark kicked him out but we know if he is voted in, he will support. I have also written to Mrs. E. Wayne in Saint John NB, (I was born in NB, so I feel I have the right) if I hear nothing my next letter will be stronger again. Keep up the good work in what ever "language" it takes. Jan Rogers Markham Ontario. "Adele J. Turner" wrote: > Mr. Garner: > I say, why not write nasty notes to the MP's? I have spent numerous hours > emailing every MP across Canada three times this past year....getting VERY > FEW replies from them. Each time I have sent them an email, I get nastier > because the MP's don't seem to think they need to be answerable to anyone > except themselves or their party. Are we going to stand by like typical > Canadians keeping your thoughts to yourself and not causing any waves? How > do you think new laws get passed or issues get noticed like "Mothers > Against Drunk Drivers" if we continue to let MP's do their own thing? If, > we, the researchers don't do something now, who do you think will? I > personally have collected about 200 signatures on a petition and all the > people that I have spoken to do not know anything about the destruction of > the Post 1901 Census'? So, we have to SPEAK UP for them and DO IT LOUDLY > for all future generations or it will be TOO LATE. I wish that our > politians would be more responsive to all the voters so that I don't have to > get my dander up but if I don't and you don't......who is going to do our > dirty work...Muriel Davidson and Gordon Watt by themselves? Are we going to > let the MP's in the House of Commons railroad us like they have been known > to do over many other issues because we, the Canadian people, don't yell > loud enough OR care enough. > > Enough said about the issue...NASTY VERSUS NICE.....I prefer nice but in my > book now, niceties are over. IT IS WAR NOW. > > Adele Turner, North Vancouver > in Ted White's Canadian Alliance riding (he is voting AGAINST THE > RELEASE...he was nasty to me first so with him I have been nasty in return > because jerks deserve it....I have recently found out that he is not very > well liked in my riding.....he is one of those MP's that likes to "dance to > his own tune") > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> > To: <CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: September 4, 2000 7:05 PM > Subject: [CCC-L] WANTED - Politicians Not Afraid to Vote YES!!! > > > Please -- Will others answer this letter!!! Muriel M. Davidson > > - ------------------------------------------------------- > > I think it would be far more appropriate to refrain from such > > argumentive language when writing to a minister of the crown. You do not > > speak on my behalf so kindly speak for yourself and do not say you speak > on the > > behalf of all genealogists. > > I want to see the census released just as much as you do but I do not > > believe any good can come by writing nasty letters to government members. > > We can only tell them why we want the census made public and opponents can > > tell them why they think it should remain private. After that it is up to > > the government to act in the manner they think best. Hopefully they will > > agree with our views and release the census material. > > John Garner > > Thunder Bay ON > > garner@tbaytel.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Muriel M. Davidson" <davidson3542@home.com> > > To: <NIAGARA-ONT-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, September 04, 2000 6:20 PM > > Subject: [NIAGARA] WANTED - Politicians Not Afraid to Vote YES!!! > > > > > To The Hon. John Manley, MP:- > > > > > > This letter is on behalf of ALL the 8 million family researchers in > > Canada, plus > ones who only research their own family lines. > >

To All:- As readers have possibly noticed, several things have been happening!! We have had the release of the Environics Research Report, all 27 pages of it, with well-worded questions that could only be answered the way desired by the researchers. Mr. John Manley is reading the Report of the Expert Panel, which he has had since June 30, 2000 - no explanation for the delay. Gordon Watts received this news from two different sources. Some of us, including myself, have been blowing off steam and frustration at John Manley -- possibly this helped steer him toward the report. Now that he is reading it, we can be less agitative, but gentle persistence must be maintained. YOU will find more can be accomplished if each one writes to his/her own Member of Parliament - gentle reminder to Manley. Should the symbols not show either a GOLD tick or RED X, ask "Why not?" You have every right to know, as a taxpayer -- but be subtle -- we do not want John Manley to put the report aside. E-mails are fine -- but are often counted, not read. Prepare an e-mail, but after sending it, print off a copy, sign it and seal in an envelope. Best bargain yet -- FREE postage -- helps make up for gasoline prices. (Name of Member)/House of Commons, Ottawa, ON K1A 0A6 It will be the letter that is answered, not the e-mail. Check: http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census/index6.htm Ontario has 50, Quebec 61 MPs who have not replied, plus others. Petitions and resumption of fall activities go together -- print yours from http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census/petition.htm Addresses are on petitions for both House of Commons and Senate. Mark your calendar:- Sept. 20, 2000, about 6:30 p.m., Jason Kenney will have final hour of debate on his motion M-160, with a vote. I will be watching CPAC-- Eastern Standard Time -- and if there is a vote, we will be counting the YES and NO people. Keep up the pressure -- but with a velvet glove -- Mr. Manley has to keep on reading!!! Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Farm/7843/poll.html

Mr. Garner: I say, why not write nasty notes to the MP's? I have spent numerous hours emailing every MP across Canada three times this past year....getting VERY FEW replies from them. Each time I have sent them an email, I get nastier because the MP's don't seem to think they need to be answerable to anyone except themselves or their party. Are we going to stand by like typical Canadians keeping your thoughts to yourself and not causing any waves? How do you think new laws get passed or issues get noticed like "Mothers Against Drunk Drivers" if we continue to let MP's do their own thing? If, we, the researchers don't do something now, who do you think will? I personally have collected about 200 signatures on a petition and all the people that I have spoken to do not know anything about the destruction of the Post 1901 Census'? So, we have to SPEAK UP for them and DO IT LOUDLY for all future generations or it will be TOO LATE. I wish that our politians would be more responsive to all the voters so that I don't have to get my dander up but if I don't and you don't......who is going to do our dirty work...Muriel Davidson and Gordon Watt by themselves? Are we going to let the MP's in the House of Commons railroad us like they have been known to do over many other issues because we, the Canadian people, don't yell loud enough OR care enough. Enough said about the issue...NASTY VERSUS NICE.....I prefer nice but in my book now, niceties are over. IT IS WAR NOW. Adele Turner, North Vancouver in Ted White's Canadian Alliance riding (he is voting AGAINST THE RELEASE...he was nasty to me first so with him I have been nasty in return because jerks deserve it....I have recently found out that he is not very well liked in my riding.....he is one of those MP's that likes to "dance to his own tune") ----- Original Message ----- From: Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> To: <CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: September 4, 2000 7:05 PM Subject: [CCC-L] WANTED - Politicians Not Afraid to Vote YES!!! > Please -- Will others answer this letter!!! Muriel M. Davidson > - ------------------------------------------------------- > I think it would be far more appropriate to refrain from such > argumentive language when writing to a minister of the crown. You do not > speak on my behalf so kindly speak for yourself and do not say you speak on the > behalf of all genealogists. > I want to see the census released just as much as you do but I do not > believe any good can come by writing nasty letters to government members. > We can only tell them why we want the census made public and opponents can > tell them why they think it should remain private. After that it is up to > the government to act in the manner they think best. Hopefully they will > agree with our views and release the census material. > John Garner > Thunder Bay ON > garner@tbaytel.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Muriel M. Davidson" <davidson3542@home.com> > To: <NIAGARA-ONT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, September 04, 2000 6:20 PM > Subject: [NIAGARA] WANTED - Politicians Not Afraid to Vote YES!!! > > > To The Hon. John Manley, MP:- > > > > This letter is on behalf of ALL the 8 million family researchers in > Canada, plus > ones who only research their own family lines. >

To all:- Before you read the following letter, Gordon Watts has been advised by two people that John Manley is reading the Report of the Expert Panel -- hopefully we may hear soon -- but the fall session of Parliament starts Sept. 18, 2000 -- release of report could be near that time period. Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <<<<<<<<<<<<<< The following letter was posted to ones listed below:- expert.panel_comite.experts@statcan.ca Chretien.J@parl.gc.ca "Manley, John - M.P." <Manley.J@parl.gc.ca> >>>>>>>>>>>>> <<<<<<<<<<<<< TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN: As an amateur genealogiest and family historian, I would really like to know where & WHEN the Expert Panel's Post 1901 Census report will be released to the public. The PROMISED date of release was supposed to have been on June 30, 2000 which has come and gone. Is this another Liberal Government stall tactic OR ONE OF THOSE DUBIOUS PROMISES so famously made by government officials and never kept. Except, of course, for StatsCan who wants to keep the so called promise that they claimed Sir Wilfred Laurier made 90 years ago in 1906 and still have not proven. Give us the location of this written "promise" so we can read it for ourselves. What page, date, year in the Hansard publication was this promise recorded or what newspaper? We can certainly find the "promise" that was made during WWI that stated that the Income Taxes would be abolished at the end of the war. A great "promise" that was never kept. What about you, Mr. Chretien....you "promised" no more GST if we voted for you!! I don't put much store in your promises nor anyone elses....so why would I believe you when you say Sir Wilfred Laurier made a so called promise in 1906? For argument's sake, let's say it was true, why would you want to keep that 90 year old promise when you can't even keep a modern day promise that will effect us now? Absolutely no one cares about the 90 year old census expect historians and family members....there is no one alive who would care. My Aunt was was barely two years old in 1911.....she has been waiting for this census as she would like to know more about her parents before she passes away. By the way, I notice that you have used a lot a "BIG" shots with "BIG" titles for this Expert Panel. Why weren't some ordinary Canadians who actually are interested in Canadian history from one of Canada's Genealogy Societies OR National Archives included in your "Expert Panel"? Those "BIG" shots probably have never even looked at a Census film or tried to trace a family member for medical purposes OR searched in the past for family members with diseases that are hereditary OR wanted to trace a family member to settle a "Probated Will" OR wondered where their family originated OR a need to trace their native heritage to make a claim OR a lost relative who is needed for a bone marrow transplant. If our Census records are destroyed,absolutely none of these issues would beable to be solved. This would be an outrage to all civilized and intelligent people in the world that have had any connection to Canada. PLEASE PLEASE RELEASE THAT EXPERT PANEL REPORT SO WE KNOW WHAT KIND OF BATTLE WE MUST WAGE AGAINST ALL POLITICIANS THAT HAVE NEGLECTED TO ANSWER OUR LETTERS OR EMAILS. Supposedly many of them are waiting for the same report so they can make a decision. It goes without mention that they can't think for themselves. There are a lot of "fence sitters" in the Liberal Party and MP's that don't feel that they have to be answerable to the general public and individuals in their riding. At this time, I would like to remind you that our income tax monies have been used to pay for this report so we, the public, have a right to see it......so release it now PLEASE. To me, it is very suspicious that this delay is occuring. Is it because you are afraid that there will be an uproar all across Canada? Or, maybe you are hoping this will die a "slow death". Well, I am here to tell you this issue will not die!!! You will have to address it sooner rather than later, so now it the time to do it. Miss Adele Turner #67 - 1947 Purcell Way North Vancouver, B. C. V7J 3H4 Home:(604) 987-5137 email: aturner@axionet.com

Submission by Donald A. Nisbet to the Expert Panel on Access to Historical Census Records April 24, 2000 "The law must be consonant with life. It cannot and should not ignore broad historical currents of history. Mankind is possessed of no greater urge than to try to understand the age-old question: "Who am I?" "Why am I?" Those emotions and anxieties that generate our thirst to know the past are not superficial and whimsical. They are real and they are "good cause" under the law of man and God." Judge Wade S. Weatherford, Jr. Seventh Judicial Circuit Court, South Carolina Ruling on an adoptee's petition to gain access to adoption records. ======================================= To all:- May be found at -- and printable from http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census >>>> Other Sites Look for Submission by Donald A. Nisbet -- click on that, print and read. Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> Canada Census Committee ---------------------- MAY BE FORWARDED ----------------

Greetings All. Yesterday, Friday, I received a return telephone call from Paula Brennan, an Assistant to Industry Minister John Manley. She was able to confirm for me that Mr. Manley has at last viewed the Report of the Expert Panel on Access to Historic Census. She stated that he was currently reviewing the Report but was unable to state when it would be made available to the Public. I also received a telephone call from Dr. Pamela White, Secretariat of the Expert Panel who also advised that Mr. Manley was currently reviewing the Report of the Expert Panel. Ms. White indicated that the Report would be posted on the Statistics Canada website as soon as it was made available by Mr. Manley. Just a reminder that the final hour of debate on Jason Kenney's Motion M-160 will take place on Wednesday 20 September, two days after Parliament re-convenes. For those who view House activities on CPAC the debate should take place about 6:30 PM Eastern Standard Time. Motion M-160 states: "That, in the opinion of this House, the government should take all necessary steps to release the 1911 census records once they have been deposited in the National Archives in 2003." Motion M-160 has been deemed "votable" and, so far as I am aware it will be a "free" vote, i.e. Party leaders do not dictate how their members should (or must) vote. That vote should be recorded in Hansard and will give us an indication of how those MPs who have not bothered to respond to our letters and email might vote on a Bill to allow access to Historic Census. Once the recorded vote in Hansard is viewable on-line I will be very busy updating the MP Scoreboard on the Post 1901 Census Project website. Happy Hunting Gordon A. WATTS gordon_watts@telus.net Port Coquitlam, BC Keep up to date on Post 1901 Census information at http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census and http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Farm/7843/poll.html Download and circulate Post 1901 Census Petitions now from http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census/petition.htm This message has been posted to the Alberta-L, Can-British-Columbia-L, Census-Chat-L, Colchester, Lunen-Links-L, Nova-Scotia-L, Ontario-l, PictouRoots, Roots-L, Watts-L, and Wiltshire-EMI-L mail lists. Permission to forward without notification is granted.

SUBMISSION TO EXPERT PANEL ON ACCESS TO HISTORICAL CENSUS RECORDS by Lyndall H. Winters PART I - INTRODUCTION Perhaps I should begin this submission by explaining who I am, providing a little of my background and why I am vitally interested in this matter of census records. I am a retired Officer of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (Superintendent), having served in that organization for 35 plus years. Following retirement, I worked as an investigator with the Office of the Information Commissioner of Canada, investigating complaints from citizens who believed they were denied access to records they had requested under the Access to Information Act. I worked in that capacity for eight years, finally retiring in 1994. During those eight years, my work took me into many federal government departments in several provinces. Not only did I have a firm grounding in the Access to Information Act, the work required me to understand the provisions of the Privacy Act. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< To all:- The above are only the first two paragraphs of a wonderful, well-written article re Census, Access to Information and Privacy Act. It is due to an article by the same writer,published in the Nova Scotia Genealogist that I became aware of the post-1901 census records problem. Go to: <http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census> >>>> Other Sites There is a great deal of weekend reading material at this site -- you may also print the necessary petitions!! Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Farm/7843/poll.html

To all: It is interesting to note the comparison of numbers between the provinces and territories of Canada. http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census/index6.htm As of Sept. 5, 2000, Members of Parliament Scoreboard totals were:- GOLF (Yes) - 92/RED X (No) - 8 / GREEN FENCES (Yes/No) - 57 and BLUE ??? (No Answers) - 144 -- Total Number of MPs = 301 GOLD TICKS - YES are shown as follows: British Columbia - 16 Alberta ------- 12 Saskatchewan - 9 Manitoba----------- 9 Ontario-------- 25 Quebec------------ 5 New Brunswick---- 5 Nova Scotia - 9 Newfoundland - 2 RED X - NO are as follows:- British Columbia - 1 Alberta - 1 Manitoba ---------- 1 Ontario-------------- 4 Yukon -- 1 GREEN FENCE (Yes/No) are as follows:- British Columbia - 8 Alberta---------- 5 Saskatchewan - 1 Manitoba----------- 2 Ontario--------- 25 Quebec------------ 8 New Brunswick - 4 Nova Scotia - 2 P.E.I. ---------------- 2 BLUE ???? means No Reply received:- British Columbia - 9 Alberta---------- 8 Saskatchewan - 4 Manitoba---------- 2 Ontario--------- 50 Quebec------------61 New Brunswick---- 1 Nova Scotia -- 0 P.E.I.----------------- 2 Newfoundland--- 5 N.W.Territories - 1 Nunavut---------- 1 It is easy to tell where letters should be mailed, is it not? FREE Postage -- If you send an e-mail, print a copy and mail it to (Member of Parliament)/House of Commons/ Ottawa ON/K1A 0A6 Fun with Numbers:- Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census >>>>>> Other Sites

MAY BE TRANSLATED & FORWARDED -- WE ALL NEED CENSUS RELEASED!! To all in QUEBEC:- When one looks at the Member of Parliament Scoreboard for the province of Quebec, it looks like mainly ONE color was known -- BLUE -- meaning the MPs did not reply to correspondence. It has been found that Members of Parliament generally respond to their constituents -- although on a matter as important as the Canadian census release -- and the non-report of the Expert Panel -- Members of Parliament have a duty to reply to all Canadians!!! They represent ALL of US -- not just a few in their home riding!!! Some of the Members of Parliament Scoreboard have answered YES, meaning they SUPPORT release of Post-1901 Canadian census records. http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census/index6.htm The scoreboard will be published BEFORE a federal election!!!! Read THE MYTHS OF CENSUS by Gordon Watts and MEMORANDUM OF LAW by Lois Sparling, Alberta barrister (written for the prairie provinces) http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Farm/7843/poll.html All members of Parliament received THE MYTHS OF CENSUS in April, 2000. Census activity includes PETITIONS -- both to House of Commons and Senate: http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census/petition.htm Addresses are on petitions, both Word and WordPerfect. Also, we have both English and French language petitions. Senator Lorna Milne has had second reading of her Bill S-15, Murray Calder had first reading of a duplicate Bill C-484. Jason Kenney of Alberta, has third hour of debate and vote on his Motion M-160 Sept. 20, 2000 and Mac Harb had first reading of Bill C-312 last November, 1999. Letters are needed to above -- if YOUR Member of Parliament has a BLUE ?, visit the riding office! He or she should answer re SUPPORT!!! Hon. John Manley, PC, MP received the report of the Expert Panel June 30, 2000 -- His address is given here: House of Commons, Parliament Buildings, Ottawa, Ontario K1A 0A6 FREE postage when mailed in Canada -- use large envelopes so your letter is not missed. Any answers -- please let us know -- Gordon Watts is scoreboard keeper! French language answers -- <jeannine.ouellet@sympatico.ca> English language answers may be sent to me, Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> Canada Census Committee

FRom the Aug. 22, 2000 issue -- worth reading!! http://www.herald.ns.ca/cgi-bin/home/displaystory?2000/08/22+172.raw+NovaScotia

15 August 2000 The Honourable John Manley, PC, MP, Minister for Industry House of Commons, Parliament Buildings OTTAWA, Ontario, K1A 0A6 Dear Mr. Manley. As one of the many individuals with Canadian ancestors who are actively pursuing the avocation of genealogy, I have been awaiting release to the Public of the Report of the Expert Panel on Access to Historic Census. This report, originally due 31 May 2000, is still on your desk. Mr. Manley, this Report is of vital interest to those of us that seek our ancestry, our heritage. Public access to Historic Census for purposes of genealogical research, is allowed under Regulations attached to the Privacy Act. Without this access, millions of people will be unable to determine their family origins. I respectfully request, Sir, that you view the Report of the Expert Panel on Access to Historic Census and allow its release to the Public. Thank you. Sincerely, Christine A. Heschelman-Vaccaro Weston, FL, USA <MagsOWags1@aol.com>

Hi Bonnie:- Many thanks for the copy of your letter to Hon. John Manley re census release. IF ALL family researchers, not just the ones being paid professionally, but the ordinary person looking for family clues and answers, would write to the Hon. John Manley -- I am certain he would be impressed. Governmental sources state more than 7.5 million historians and genealogists live in Canada, plus the extra ones often searching for just one or more facts. Senator Lorna Milne, in one speech, added the little extra bits resulting from genealogy:- "Tourism, film for cameras, sale of books, plus many other results of one of the fastest growing hobbies in Canada and the world". Then we add to this number the Non-Canadian people, all with Canadian ancestry -- the number becomes staggering. Sincerely hope you receive a positive answer, Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> ================================== Bonnie Bileski wrote: > Muriel > > Following is a copy of my letter to Mr. Manley about post-1901 Census followed > > by a response. > > Thank you for the valuable work you are doing on behalf of all genealogists > and historians in Canada and around the world. > > Bonnie Bileski > Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada > -----Original Message----- > From: Bonnie Bileski <bokeda@pangea.ca> > To: Manley.J@parl.gc.ca <Manley.J@parl.gc.ca> > Date: August 19, 2000 8:08 AM > Subject: Post 1901 census > > Sir > > This letter is to request the release of the post 1901 Census. As our > family historian and genealogist, it is impossible to continue further > without this valuable family history. > > If for whatever reason it cannot be released in its entire context, then > would it not be possible to release the names, birth dates and occupations? > > Genealogy is a hobby that is growing rapidly and without this important > data it will become impossible to continue research in Canada. Through the > Census I have been able to locate several hundred living descendants. In > May I travelled to Ontario where I met 41 newly found relatives. We are > attempting to write our family history and several family members have now > joined the research. They are so interested in this work and each one has > contributed family photos, copies of old letters and other memorabilia. As > I find new information I share it with each of them. We have a newsletter > and I have had several of these people visit me in Winnipeg. > > Besides making people aware of their history this hobby also generates > considerable economic spin-off. In my own case, I have spent many > thousands of dollars on this exciting hobby and quest to find family > information. In each instance of personal introduction, I have received a > warm welcome and the interest is growing within our own family. > I hope you will consider this matter seriously as it affects so many > people, genealogy societies, libraries and archives. > > Yours truly, > > Bonnie Bileski > Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada > ==================== > Reply:- > Your e-mail of August 19, 2000, to the Honourable John Manley, Minister > Responsible for Statistics Canada, on the subject of release of the > post-1901 census records has been passed to Statistics Canada for > response. > > There has been considerable public debate and interest on the part of > genealogists, historians and archivists who had expected that the 1911 > census records would be publicly available in 2003, 92 years after the > taking of the census. Recognizing the importance of historical research > but also taking into account the privacy concerns of Canadians, Minister > Manley created an Expert Panel on Access to Historical Census Records to > provide independent, expert advice on the legal, privacy and archival > implications of releasing historical census records. > > The Expert Panel delivered its report to the Minister at the end of June > 2000. For further information about the Panel, please visit the > Statistics Canada's web site at www.statcan.ca > > Dr. Pamela White > 25th Floor, R.H. Coats Building > Ottawa, Ontario > K1A 0T6 > (613) 951-3255 > e-mail: expert.panel_comite.experts@statcan.ca > >

To: Paula Wilkie, Many thanks for letting me know you received the e-mail and sincerely hope Mr. Epp will be able to make a decision in another later e-mail. Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census/index6.htm "Epp, Ken - M.P." wrote: > Dear Ms. Davidson: > > On behalf of Ken Epp, M.P., I would like to take this opportunity to > acknowledge and thank you for your recent e-mail regarding census records > release. > > Your views regarding this matter are shared with others who have contacted > Mr. Epp. Please be assured that your concerns will be brought to Mr. Epp's > attention. > > Thank you for contacting us. > > Paula Wilkie > Executive Assistant to > Ken Epp, M.P. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Muriel M. Davidson [mailto:davidson3542@home.com] > Sent: September 1, 2000 12:14 AM > To: Ken Epp - MP; davidson3542@home.com; doug.joudrey@home.com > Subject: We are Looking for YES Voters!!!! > > To Ken Epp, M.P.:- > > One requirement of ALL Members of Parliament is that they should > either write or direct a reply to all who write. All citizens of Canada > become YOUR constituents on a very important question like census > records release. > > I had hoped to hear from you prior to this, letting us know your views > re census records release -- not end up with a BLUE ??? (no reply) > > Is there any hope YOU might answer? The Scoreboard will be published > in every province prior to a federal election -- the little old lady who > does family history is one of your VOTERS, regardless of province. > > By now you will likely know the Report of the Expert Panel was given > to Liberal Member John Manley on June 30, 2000. To date we do not > know WHY we are not allowed to view or know contents of the report. > > As I understand the Canadian Alliance Members of Parliament strongly > supported census release, I find it disheartening to learn there are many > in this party who fail to reply with his/her personal viewpoints. > > Imagine you were trying to put together a simple family history, from the > period of 1881 as far as possible. You would be able to access 1891 and > 1901 census records. From then on, you would have a big blank wall, > thanks to the government. > > In Alberta, your 1906 first Canadian census was supposed to have been > released in 1998 -- 92-years after taking of census. > > <http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census> -- Go to OTHER SITES > > You will find submissions to the Expert Panel, including Genetically > Inherited Diseases, submitted by myself with help from others. There is > a great deal of information prepared for you and others. > The various Bills have been listed -- just click on the number. > <http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census/index6.htm> > Click on Alberta -- hope the BLUE ?? (no reply) is soon changed!! > > Read THE MYTHS OF CENSUS by Gordon Watts, also MEMORANDUM > OF LAW by Lois Sparling is written for prairie provinces. > > Looking forward for an early reply, > > Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> > Canada Census Committee > Brampton Centre riding > 25 Crestview Avenue > Brampton, ON L6W 2R8 > 1-905-451-3542 > <http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Farm/7843/poll.html> > >

Muriel, The reply to my email to John Manley, arrived at 11:47 am EDT. Really doesn't say much. I can't think of why after 100 years, the people who filled out the 1901 Census would care [most or all are dead], it cannot hurt anyone. Privacy is for the living. Best wishes Patricia Corney Quakertown, PA USA Granddaughter of Elsie Eliza A. BERRY, BHC IOWFHS #1334 bluroc@worldnet.att.net ***************************** ----- Original Message ----- From: "White, Pamela - DACS/SACD" <pamela.white@statcan.ca> To: "Patricia Corney (E-mail)" <bluroc@worldnet.att.net> Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 2:22 PM Subject: 1901 Census Your e-mail of August 19, 2000, to the Honourable John Manley, Minister Responsible for Statistics Canada, on the subject of the release of the Post-1901 census records has been passed to Statistics Canada for response. There has been considerable public debate and interest on the part of genealogists, historians and archivists who had expected that the 1911 census records would be publicly available in 2003, 92 years after the taking of the census. Recognizing the importance of historical research but also taking into account the privacy concerns of Canadians, Minister Manley created an Expert Panel on Access to Historical Census Records to provide independent, expert advice on the legal, privacy and archival implications of releasing historical census records. The Expert Panel delivered its report to the Minister at the end of June 2000. For further information about the Panel, please visit the Statistics Canada's web site at www.statcan.ca Dr. Pamela White 25th Floor, R.H. Coats Building Ottawa, Ontario K1A 0T6 (613) 951-3255 e-mail: expert.panel_comite.experts@statcan.ca

To all readers:- Dr. Pamela White has finished the work she was asked to do, the Report of the Expert Panel was placed in the hands of John Manley, June 30, 2000. As soon as there is even one word of the report at the site, you may be certain Gordon Watts will be publishing it far and wide. Until then -- PETITIONS -- Senate, House of Commons and Non-Canada -- available in Word and WordPerfect. http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census/petition.htm Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> Canada Census Committee http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census/index6.htm ************************************************ ----- Original Message ----- From: "White, Pamela - DACS/SACD" <pamela.white@statcan.ca> To: "Jean Payton (E-mail)" <jeanpayton@ameritech.net> Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 8:10 AM Subject: 1911 Census Your e-mail of August 15, 2000, to the Honourable John Manley on the subject of the report of the Expert Panel on Access to Historical Census Records has been passed to Statistics Canada for response. The Panel's report was submitted to the Minister (John Manley) on June 30, 2000, and the Minister is, at this time, reviewing the recommendations made by the Panel. The Report will be made public in the near future and will be posted on the Statistics Canada web site at www.statcan.ca Pamela White Statistics Canada 25th Floor, R.H. Coats Building Ottawa, Ontario K1A 0T6 (613) 951-3255 e-mail: pamela.white@statcan.ca ============================== Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/

Greetings All. At last. The long awaited Report of the Environics Research Omnibus Surveys on Public Attitudes relating to access to Post 1901 Census has been posted on the Statistics Canada website. It is an Adobe PDF file that downloads when you access the link. You require the Adobe Acrobat reader to view the document. It is 27 pages long and you will probably want to print it out for easy reading. Go to http://www.statcan.ca/english/census96/interm.htm and click on the link labelled "Report on Public Attitudes". This downloads the English language version. The document in French is accessed by first accessing the French side of the Statistics Canada website. We have not yet seen the Report of the Expert Panel. In speaking today with yet another Assistant to John Manley I sensed some uncertainty about what she was telling me. She thought that Mr. Manley was currently conducting meetings relating to the Report of the Expert Panel but could not say with any certainty that such was the case. She indicated that she would check and get back to me. Rest assured I will let everyone know as soon as I find out anything. In the meantime I would encourage everyone to continue with writing letters. Please let us know of any responses you get. I am off to read the Environics Research report. Happy Hunting. Gordon A. WATTS gordon_watts@telus.net Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC Keep up to date on Post 1901 Census information at http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census and http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Farm/7843/poll.html Download and circulate Post 1901 Census Petitions now from http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census/petition.htm This message has been posted to the Alberta-L, Can-British-Columbia-L, Can-Manitoba-L, Census-Chat-L, Colchester, Lunen-Links-L, Nova-Scotia-L, Ontario-L, PictouRoots, Roots-L, Watts-L, and Wiltshire-EMI-L mail lists. Permission to forward without notification is granted.

I admire the plea for good manners that came from John Garner. Adherence to the rules of politeness is a good way to make for a better and more pleasant world, but I am not convinced that one can always play the political game and still act like a gentleman. Even small issues (in the greater scheme of things) like the census debate have a tendency to come down to the underlying matter of POWER. I believe that we are seeing this now; one way that the government can deal with awkward matters is to simply not respond to the pleas of the governed; they have the power to do this. I think that we may be coming to the stage where we will have to consider a change in tactics in order to get some movement on the matter of the census release. We have provided a mass of polite, well reasoned arguments and the years are passing by. We believe that timely release of the line-item census is in the best interests of all Canadians, so we may be forced to use the power that we can command to see that this just aim is achieved, and that may not be a nice thing to see.....or do. I am reminded of the dictum of that famous activist, Jerry Rubin: "People who say 'I agree with your goals, but I don't know about your tactics' smell of foul horseshit. Goals are irrelevant. The tactics, the actions are critical" Now John, of course I would never use language like that to you, but he does colourfully make a point that we should all be thinking about very carefully. Thanks for bringing this important point of debate to the attention of the Canada-Census list. Bob Westbury "A gentleman is a person who is never UNINTENTIONALLY rude"

I have to agree with Mr. Garner. No good will come from a barrage of rude and sarcastic letters and e-mails. The private members' bills will all die on the order paper when Parliament is dissolved and a general election is called. Many of the current MPs will not be re-nominated or will not re-offer and others will be defeated so their current position is moot. The tone and content of most of these messages is regrettable. I think it would be much better to concentrate our efforts on petitions to those responsible and education in the form of letters to newspapers, genealogical and historical societies. The fact that a number of mailing lists have banned these postings is only further evidence that they harm the cause rather than advance it. Leland Harvie Halifax, Nova Scotia On Mon, 4 Sep 2000, Muriel M. Davidson wrote: > Please -- Will others answer this letter!!! Muriel M. Davidson > --------------------------------------------------------- > I think it would be far more appropriate to refrain from such > argumentive language when writing to a minister of the crown. You do > not speak on my behalf so kindly speak for yourself and do not say you > speak on the behalf of all genealogists. > I want to see the census released just as much as you do but I do not > believe any good can come by writing nasty letters to government members. > We can only tell them why we want the census made public and opponents can > tell them why they think it should remain private. After that it is up to > the government to act in the manner they think best. Hopefully they will > agree with our views and release the census material. > John Garner > Thunder Bay ON