Dear Mr. Cadman I have just taken great pleasure in adding your email to Muriel M. Davidson, copied to myself and Melville Andress, to your correspondence log on the Post 1901 Census Project website at http://www.globalgenealogy.com./census This email removes you from "the fence" and gives you a gold tick denoting your support for allowing access to Post 1901 Census records after a reasonable period of time. I have just finished modifying the files that will reflect this change in your status and they should be loaded within a day or so. It was a great disappointment to us when Mac Harb made his motion to amend Motion M-160, thus virtually rendering it ineffective. I note that the Liberal party was out in full force to vote in favour of the amendment, and then the motion as amended. With a vote of 144 to 102 one might wonder where the 55 absent Members of Parliament were. Those missing votes might have made the difference in voting down the amendment, and passing the motion as originally stated. I note with interest your reference to the Report of the Expert Panel on Access to Historic Records and the statement that it "recommended that the government introduce legislation making census records available to the public 92 years after it is collected". This was also reported an article in the Ottawa Citizen that indicated Interim Privacy Commissioner George Radwanski had commented regarding this while addressing a Committee of the Commons. I have as yet been unable to determine to which committee the article referred. Have you been fortunate enough to view this report? Despite numerous requests that Industry Minister John Manley immediately release to the public the Report of the Expert Panel on Access to Historic Census he has yet to do so. I have also made an ATI Request for that report but have yet to see it. Would you consider, during Question Period, posing a question to Mr. Manley, asking why he continues to refuse to release the Report of the Expert Panel on Access to Historic Census to the public , and also when he intends to do so? I thank you again for your stated support for allowing access to Historic Census records. Gordon A. WATTS gordon_watts@telus.net Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC Keep up to date on Post 1901 Census information at http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census and http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Farm/7843/poll.html Download and circulate Post 1901 Census Petitions now from http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census/petition.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cadman, Chuck - M.P." <Cadman.C@parl.gc.ca> To: <davidson3542@home.com> Cc: <mandress@uniserve.com>; <gordon_watts@telus.net> Sent: Friday, 29 September, 2000 10:24 AM Subject: Post 1901 Census Record Dear Ms. Davidson Further to our e-mails regarding post 1901 census records, I am writing to inform you of my support to release these records to the public. Census data is important for historical and family history research. Without releasing post 1901 census this research would be seriously hampered. Not allowing release of census records for 92 years, I believe, establishes a reasonable balance between protecting personal privacy and the need for access to census records for research purposes. Jason Kenney, Official Opposition Finance Critic, introduced in the House of Commons a Private Members' Motion, M-160. The Motion reads as follows: That, in the opinion of this House, the government should take all necessary steps to release the 1911 census records once they have been deposited in the National Archives in 2003. The government amended Mr. Kenney's Motion by removing the word take and replacing it with consider taking. With the Liberal government having the majority in the House of Commons, the amended Motion was passed. The net effect of this is that the government can now do whatever it wants. Also, a federally appointed panel has recommended that the government introduce legislation making census records available to the public 92 years after it is collected. It is time for the government to take action on this issue. Sincerely, Chuck Cadman, M.P.

An excellent letter Roz. Thank you for posting it. One comment I might make for you, or anyone else. When referring to breaking the "promise" of confidentiality, you might refer to it as a "promise that does not exist". Hopefully Mr. Manley will actually respond to this letter, but I would not hold my breath. An assistant will probably respond saying your concerns have been noted. Please let us know what response you get. Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roz Griston" <r_griston@dccnet.com> To: <CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, 29 September, 2000 12:26 AM Subject: [CCC] FW: United Nations and Rights of Nationality submission re: Po st 1901 Censuses Dear Mr. Manning NOT Jean Marie Clemenger Personal Assistant to Preston Manning, M.P. I expect a response from Mr. MANNING..not his P.A. therefore: Dear Mr. Manning: I just read the information on http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census/cen181.htm how astutely political of you. You have danced around the issue and yet have not, obviously taken the time to read Gordon Watts submission regarding the privacy/secrecy mythology. And if you have, and you still tip toe around the issue, I can only wonder: Who or What is being hidden from the Canadian people? Are we hiding missing ethnic groups because of War or prejudice..people who were on one census and disappeared from another? Did Canada do more than put the Japanese in concentration camps? Who or What is being hidden? If nothing dastardly, is being hidden..then why the simple minded ploy of we'll lose the trust of Canadians for breaking a promise. When income tax was proposed/instituted it was promised to be a temporary measure to fund WW 1. We sure must have run up one heck of a bill to still be paying for it. Trust in Canadian government is not something a lot of Canadians have a lot of. This dance does does nothing to restore faith or trust. Moreover, Mr. Manning I HAVE the RIGHT to know my heritage. Please see my submission to the Expert Panel. It is below the copy of this email. Moreover, check out http://www.sadscanada.com and/or http://www.sads.org Because while you fence sit, someone could die. Someone who is related to me and my maternal line. I need the censuses released so I can track this branch of the family..and hey..they passed through Alberta on the way to B.C. They may have started in Ontario or further East. This bloodline could be all across Canada. Consider that one of them may have married into your line. Has anyone in your family..cousins, aunts, uncles died of a heart attack and they seemed perfectly healthy..and someone said, "gee, s/he was so young and it was so unexpected". ECG's can't be done on dead people. My mother was 46 when she died, her older half brother died in his 50's..her father died of a heart ailment in his 60's. He was married at least twice. How many siblings does my mother have? How many siblings did my grandfather have? How many siblings did her half brother have? Where are they? The post 1901 censuses will lead me to them. Most doctors and a lot of Cardiologists don't know about prolonged Q-T syndrome. But, my known family does. So, the next time the phone rings or a thunder clap startles you..think about someone with SADS..they are dying for the census release. Are you willing to get off the fence, put down the political rhetoric and do the right thing for Canadians? HOW WILL YOU VOTE FOR THE RELEASE OF THE POST 1901 CENSUSES, MR. MANNING? You were once the a federal leader of a political party..show some courage. Take a stand, do some research..be a leader. Lobby other MP's. My own MP John Reynolds supports the release. Many MP's in your party support the release. Give me a sincere and logical reason why don't, won't or can't support the release..but, stop the political dance. I've queried people who highly value their privacy..and no they don't want census data released about them while they are living..but each and everyone of them saw absolutely nothing wrong with releasing the data 92 years after it was collected. "Who cares who knows what after I'm dead" And be advised, Mr. Manning, I will push for the release under the United Nations and Rights of Nationality, if Canada does not do the right thing and preserve and release the Post 1901 Censuses. I look forward to hearing from you, Mr. Manning at your earliest possible convenience. Thank you for your time and consideration with this matter. Sincerely Roz Griston -----Original Message----- From: Expert Panel [SMTP:fe-expertpanel@statcan.ca] Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 4:42 AM To: 'Roz Griston' Subject: RE: United Nations and Rights of Nationality submission re: Po st 1901 Censuses Ms. Griston, this is to acknowledge receipt of your e-mail. Please be assured that your views will be included with the documentation provided to the Expert Panel on Access to Historical Census Records. Thank you for taking the time to write to us. Dr. Pamela White Secretariat/Secretariat Expert Panel on Access to Historical Census Records/ Comite d'experts sur l'acces aux dossiers historiques du recensement -----Original Message----- From: Roz Griston [mailto:r_griston@dccnet.com] Sent: April 30, 2000 10:57 PM To: 'expert.panel_comite.experts@statcan.ca' Cc: CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: United Nations and Rights of Nationality submission re: Post 1901 Censuses Roslyn Griston April 30, 2000 Re: Post 1901 Census Release Dear Expert Panel While considering all the other documentation regarding the release of the Post 1901 Censuses. Please consider, I am a child of people listed on these censuses. I will be listed on censuses from 1953 onwards. I hereby give my permission to have census information regarding me and my minor children to be open to viewing by researchers in the future. My children have a right to know their heritage and nationality. We are descended from British roots. My four year old daughter also, has Ukrainian roots. You will be denying her, her heritage and ability to find her national origins if you choose to support the lock up or the destruction of the Post 1901 censuses. Her great grandparents and family came to Canada in the decade of the Great War. Her grandfather can not remember family details. The censuses will provide this information for her and her two half siblings. Would you deny my nationality of being chinese, even if I were born in Canada? Certainly not, simply because you would be able to look at me and know my nation of origin identity. Because, I and my children are of Northern European descent does not mean we are not interested in our nation'(s) of origin. Nor should we be denied it. Nor should any other child of Northern European descent. My maternal grandfather's family came to Canada about five generations ago. I'm still trying to find out if he is of Irish or Scottish descent. The Post 1901 Censuses will enable me to research him. He died in 1944. His wife, my grandmother died in 1976. Their only child, my mother died in 1978. I know nothing of my grandfather. Who do you suggest I ask about him? The United Nations says I and my children have the right to our national identity. I am Canadian born, living in a multi cultural country. A country, often stated as a cultural mosiac. Are my children and I of the wrong part of the mosiac to have our inherited right of nationality protected? Would you deny a First Nations person the right to say they were a Canadian born, of the Cree or Sechelt or Huron nations? I believe the following two paragraphs could successfully be argued in court to return mine and others right to access information regarding our historic nation(s) of orgin. UNITED NATIONS Convention on the Rights of the Child Article 8 1. States Parties undertake to respect the right of the child to preserve his or her identity, including nationality, name and family relations as recognized by law without unlawful interference. 2. Where a child is illegally deprived of some or all of the elements of his or her identity, States Parties shall provide appropriate assistance and protection, with a view to re-establishing speedily his or her identity. I and my children have a right to know our nationality. It is part our cultural identity. Thank you for your time and consideration with this submission. Sincerely Roslyn Griston Box 67 Granthams Landing, B.C. Canada V0N 1X0 Phone: 604.886.3430 email: r_griston@dccnet.com

See <http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census/index6.htm> Click on Preston Manning's Name (Alberta), scroll down -- the following are among many on his message board -- he is still shifting from one foot to another - the YES foot and the NO foot! Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> Canada Census Committee -------------------------------------------- 07/28/2000 - email from Muriel M. Davidson to office of MP Preston Manning. To Jean Marie Clemenger, Personal Assistant:- The "gossip" flows freely on Parliament Hill, especially re the supposed defeat of Jason Kenney's Motion M-160. This is happening because Jason happens to be of a political party other than Liberal. The THIRD and FINAL hour of debate on Motion M-160 will be on September 20, 2000 - two days after the Sessions resume. We have this directly from Jason Kenney's office. [Vote was on September 26, 2000] As for the little piece of fence to which Mr. Manning is clinging, he might be the only one who has not made a commitment -- YES/NO is not a definite answer -- many voters are family historians. The Member of Parliament Scoreboard will be published prior to the next election -- we guarantee that -- it is already in provinces! http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census/index6.htm To improve Mr. Manning's expertise in this census matter, print or find THE MYTHS OF CENSUS by Gordon Watts - sent earlier this year:- http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Farm/7843/poll.html As he would be voted on in Alberta, he should also read up on MEMORANDUM OF LAW by Lois Sparling, Alberta barrister. [The Alberta 1906 census records should have been released 1998] Both will improve his knowledge -- more than the outdated sheets from Statistics Canada. Hopefully, Mr. Manning's NEW symbol will shine as brightly as the GOLD tick beside Jason Kenney's name!!!! (It means YES and SUPPORT!) Muriel M. Davidson 25 Crestview Avenue Brampton, Ontario L6W 2R8 07/28/2000 - email from office of MP Preston Manning to Muriel M. Davidson. "Manning, Preston - Assistant 2" wrote: Preston Manning, M.P. Calgary Southwest In Mr. Manning's absence, I acknowledge receipt of your message regarding the release of census records. This is not an area of personal expertise for Mr. Manning, but you may be interested to know that earlier this year his colleague, Canadian Alliance MP Jason Kenney, put forward a motion (M-160) on this issue, calling for the release of 1911 census records once they have been deposited in the National Archives in 2003. This motion was DEFEATED by the House of Commons before it adjourned for the summer. [Old publicity sheets used -- hence the Mac Harb amendment!] The Official Opposition will continue to carefully investigate the questions and issues that the release of census records may raise for genealogists, historians, researchers, and the general public. I invite you to write to Canadian Alliance MPs Jason Kenney or Dick Harris with any additional information or helpful advice on this issue. They are the Alliance MPs who will be particularly following this issue on behalf of the caucus, and their conclusions and advice will weigh heavily with Mr. Manning. They may be contacted in care of the House of Commons, Ottawa, Ontario, K1A 0A6, or via e-mail at kenney@canadianalliance.ca or harris@canadianalliance.ca Again, thank you for sharing your views on this issue. I am sure you will be focusing on encouraging the Government to introduce legislation that will have a much greater chance of being passed into law than would a motion or Private Member's Bill from an Opposition member. Jean Marie Clemenger Personal Assistant to Preston Manning, M.P.

Aux origines de 2100 familles franco-ontariennes Une centaine de passionnés de généalogie ont réussi le tour de force de retracer les origines de 2100 francophones. Le fruit de ce travail de moine est contenu dans quatre volumes qui vont être lancés ce soir par la section régionale de la Société franco-ontarienne d'histoire et de généalogie (SFOHG).... Texte complet ---------------------- Un tour de force dans le domaine de la généalogie Une centaine de passionnés de généalogie ont réussi le tour de force de retracer les origines de 2100 francophones. Le fruit de ce travail de moine est contenu dans quatre volumes qui vont être lancés ce soir par la section régionale de la Société franco-ontarienne d'histoire et de généalogie (SFOHG). FRANCE PILON, Le Droit «Comme défi du millénaire nous espérions recueillir et publier 2000 lignées ancestrales. Nous avons réussi au-delà de nos espérances avec 2130 lignées, a souligné au Droit Claudette Millette, présidente de la section régionale Samuel-de-Champlain de la SFOHG. Ce travail ardu a pu être réalisé grâce à la participation financière de la Fondation Trillium. La régionale regroupe plus de 200 membres intéressés à découvrir leurs racines ancestrales au moins jusqu'à l'arrivée de leurs premiers ancêtres en terre canadienne. Pour la publication de ces quatre volumes, certains membres ont travaillé à reconstituer l'arbre généalogique de 15 à 20 familles francophones. Deux membres ont à eux seuls retracé 800 lignées. «C'est un passe-temps scientifique qui demande beaucoup de persévérence et de recherche, dit Marie-Marthe Dubois, une autre mordue de généalogie. Celle-ci espère que ces quatre volumes vont devenir des outils de recherche pour tous ceux qui veulent connaître leurs aïeuls et ils sont nombreux. «La recherche de ses ancêtres est devenue une véritable passion, souligne Mme Dubois. Non seulement les personnes veulent savoir d'où elles viennent, mais cherchent à situer dans les faits historiques leurs ancêtres, comme les Filles du Roy, le Régiment de Carignan, la Guerre de 1812, les patriotes de 1837. Ainsi Mme Dubois a découvert que son aïeul est arrivé Canada à titre de membre du régiment Meuron, un régiment suisse et alsacien lors de la guerre de 1812. Les deux frères «On fait des découvertes extraordinaires lors des recherches». C'est en consultant les registres de la paroisse à Acton Vale, qu'elle a rencontré une Américaine qui était là pour les mêmes raisons. «On a découvert que mon grand père et son grand-père étaient les deux frères. C'est fantastique ce qu'on peut découvrir». Faire son arbre généalogique c'est pour plusieurs laisser l'histoire de sa famille en héritage à ses descendants. C'est aussi un moyen pour promouvoir la fierté des jeunes, de leur langue et contrôler l'assimilation, de préciser Claudette Millette. «Il faut savoir d'où l'on vient pour savoir où on va, dit-elle. Cela permet de garder les traditions. Si on n'écrit pas notre histoire, elle va tomber dans le vide». -----Original Message----- From: Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> To: Renee Cummings <rcumming@durham.net>; davidson3542@home.com <davidson3542@home.com> Date: Thursday, September 28, 2000 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [ONT] LE DROIT, OTTAWA!!! >Will you send anything about genealogy, please? >I have at least three translators in the census committee, so >your assistance would be appreciated. >Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> >Canada Census Committee > >Renee Cummings wrote: > >> this morning while checking the newspaper on the net I found a very >> interesting article in "LE Droit" the Ottawa French newspaper >> http://www.ledroit.com/encours/01_actualites/accueil__self.stm >> Aux origines de 2100 familles franco-ontariennes >> That's on the front page, scroll down to the title, or try clicking on this >> other URL >> http://www.ledroit.com/encours/01_actualites/region3__self.stm >> It's at this web page for those who want to read it...wont be there tomorrow >> For those who can't read French, it about dedicated Genealogists who traced >> the origin of 2100 francophnes. The resutl is contained in 4 volumes and >> will be launche tonight by the regional section of the "Société >> franco-ontarienne" of history and genealogie. Is somebody in Ottawa can tell >> us more about this it could be of value to a number of listers. >> If you can't access the paper and you read French, contact me and will send >> you the article if you are interested. >> Take care >> Renée >> Une centaine de passionnés de généalogie ont réussi le tour de force de >> retracer les origines de 2100 francophones. Le fruit de ce travail de moine >> est contenu dans quatre volumes qui vont être lancés ce soir par la section >> régionale de la Société franco-ontarienne d'histoire et de généalogie >> (SFOHG). >> >> ============================== >> Check out RootsWeb's new threaded archives! >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > >

To all:- The wording of Motion M-160 was great, would have moved census records to National Archives for safekeeping - then would be under the care of the National Archivist. A not unexpected amendment by a government member reduced Jason Kenney's Motion to diddly-squat (the best term I know). Now, we pick up the pieces and carry on. http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census/index6.htm will give all readers the standing of the Members of Parliament. Find YOUR Member of Parliament and do the following:- 1. Send a "thank you" if he or she has a GOLD tick for YES. 2. It may be impossible to change the eight (8) RED X -- NO MPs. These Members may not listen to you -- although you pay their way! 3. Let us try to get rid of those "nothing" little pieces of GREEN FENCE, it only shows the MP has answered, but has said nothing. Only Yes or NO / OUI ou NON accepted from now on. 4. When YOU elect a Member of Parliament, he or she has a duty to not only their constituents, but as census is of Canadian importance, he or she is responsible to YOU, in another riding. The BLUE ???? have to go -- we must keep bugging these Members until they realize we want an answer. I have found there have been too many replies from UNELECTED ASSISTANTS -- in two instances, the Members of Parliament gave totally opposite answers than the assistants gave. Request:- When you send an e-mail to your Member of Parliament or another, copy it to "The Hon. John Manley - MP <Manley.J@parl.gc.ca> Your MP will likely forward your copy to Manley -- we will be supplying a stack of paper for him to sit on, so he can move off the Report of the Expert Panel. Copy in Stockwell Day <day@canadianalliance.ca> -- he has to know what is going on on the other side of the House of Commons. Also, send a copy to me at <davidson3542@home.com> PLEASE! Turn on your printer, print the e-mail, as is, to YOUR Member of Parliament, pop it in an envelope, seal it and mail -- FREE POSTAGE!! Name of Member /House of Commons/Ottawa, ON KIA 0A6 Let's get moving with PETITIONS -- we have both Senator Lorna Milne's Bill S-15 and its duplicate, Bill C-484 by Murray Calder. Lorna's Bill has passed Second Reading and is in Committee, Murray's Bill has had First Reading. OUR WISH FOR TODAY:- The Hon. John Manley will get tired of us bothering him, he will grab either one of these bills and make it a government bill. It would be definitely passed by majority. Did you know any government bill can be fast-tracked? Let us hope!! Will be looking for copies of your letters -- IF you want census records!! Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> Canada Census Committee http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Farm/7843/poll.html

Dear Mr. Manning NOT Jean Marie Clemenger Personal Assistant to Preston Manning, M.P. I expect a response from Mr. MANNING..not his P.A. therefore: Dear Mr. Manning: I just read the information on http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census/cen181.htm how astutely political of you. You have danced around the issue and yet have not, obviously taken the time to read Gordon Watts submission regarding the privacy/secrecy mythology. And if you have, and you still tip toe around the issue, I can only wonder: Who or What is being hidden from the Canadian people? Are we hiding missing ethnic groups because of War or prejudice..people who were on one census and disappeared from another? Did Canada do more than put the Japanese in concentration camps? Who or What is being hidden? If nothing dastardly, is being hidden..then why the simple minded ploy of we'll lose the trust of Canadians for breaking a promise. When income tax was proposed/instituted it was promised to be a temporary measure to fund WW 1. We sure must have run up one heck of a bill to still be paying for it. Trust in Canadian government is not something a lot of Canadians have a lot of. This dance does does nothing to restore faith or trust. Moreover, Mr. Manning I HAVE the RIGHT to know my heritage. Please see my submission to the Expert Panel. It is below the copy of this email. Moreover, check out http://www.sadscanada.com and/or http://www.sads.org Because while you fence sit, someone could die. Someone who is related to me and my maternal line. I need the censuses released so I can track this branch of the family..and hey..they passed through Alberta on the way to B.C. They may have started in Ontario or further East. This bloodline could be all across Canada. Consider that one of them may have married into your line. Has anyone in your family..cousins, aunts, uncles died of a heart attack and they seemed perfectly healthy..and someone said, "gee, s/he was so young and it was so unexpected". ECG's can't be done on dead people. My mother was 46 when she died, her older half brother died in his 50's..her father died of a heart ailment in his 60's. He was married at least twice. How many siblings does my mother have? How many siblings did my grandfather have? How many siblings did her half brother have? Where are they? The post 1901 censuses will lead me to them. Most doctors and a lot of Cardiologists don't know about prolonged Q-T syndrome. But, my known family does. So, the next time the phone rings or a thunder clap startles you..think about someone with SADS..they are dying for the census release. Are you willing to get off the fence, put down the political rhetoric and do the right thing for Canadians? HOW WILL YOU VOTE FOR THE RELEASE OF THE POST 1901 CENSUSES, MR. MANNING? You were once the a federal leader of a political party..show some courage. Take a stand, do some research..be a leader. Lobby other MP's. My own MP John Reynolds supports the release. Many MP's in your party support the release. Give me a sincere and logical reason why don't, won't or can't support the release..but, stop the political dance. I've queried people who highly value their privacy..and no they don't want census data released about them while they are living..but each and everyone of them saw absolutely nothing wrong with releasing the data 92 years after it was collected. "Who cares who knows what after I'm dead" And be advised, Mr. Manning, I will push for the release under the United Nations and Rights of Nationality, if Canada does not do the right thing and preserve and release the Post 1901 Censuses. I look forward to hearing from you, Mr. Manning at your earliest possible convenience. Thank you for your time and consideration with this matter. Sincerely Roz Griston -----Original Message----- From: Expert Panel [SMTP:fe-expertpanel@statcan.ca] Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 4:42 AM To: 'Roz Griston' Subject: RE: United Nations and Rights of Nationality submission re: Po st 1901 Censuses Ms. Griston, this is to acknowledge receipt of your e-mail. Please be assured that your views will be included with the documentation provided to the Expert Panel on Access to Historical Census Records. Thank you for taking the time to write to us. Dr. Pamela White Secretariat/Secretariat Expert Panel on Access to Historical Census Records/ Comite d'experts sur l'acces aux dossiers historiques du recensement -----Original Message----- From: Roz Griston [mailto:r_griston@dccnet.com] Sent: April 30, 2000 10:57 PM To: 'expert.panel_comite.experts@statcan.ca' Cc: CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: United Nations and Rights of Nationality submission re: Post 1901 Censuses Roslyn Griston April 30, 2000 Re: Post 1901 Census Release Dear Expert Panel While considering all the other documentation regarding the release of the Post 1901 Censuses. Please consider, I am a child of people listed on these censuses. I will be listed on censuses from 1953 onwards. I hereby give my permission to have census information regarding me and my minor children to be open to viewing by researchers in the future. My children have a right to know their heritage and nationality. We are descended from British roots. My four year old daughter also, has Ukrainian roots. You will be denying her, her heritage and ability to find her national origins if you choose to support the lock up or the destruction of the Post 1901 censuses. Her great grandparents and family came to Canada in the decade of the Great War. Her grandfather can not remember family details. The censuses will provide this information for her and her two half siblings. Would you deny my nationality of being chinese, even if I were born in Canada? Certainly not, simply because you would be able to look at me and know my nation of origin identity. Because, I and my children are of Northern European descent does not mean we are not interested in our nation'(s) of origin. Nor should we be denied it. Nor should any other child of Northern European descent. My maternal grandfather's family came to Canada about five generations ago. I'm still trying to find out if he is of Irish or Scottish descent. The Post 1901 Censuses will enable me to research him. He died in 1944. His wife, my grandmother died in 1976. Their only child, my mother died in 1978. I know nothing of my grandfather. Who do you suggest I ask about him? The United Nations says I and my children have the right to our national identity. I am Canadian born, living in a multi cultural country. A country, often stated as a cultural mosiac. Are my children and I of the wrong part of the mosiac to have our inherited right of nationality protected? Would you deny a First Nations person the right to say they were a Canadian born, of the Cree or Sechelt or Huron nations? I believe the following two paragraphs could successfully be argued in court to return mine and others right to access information regarding our historic nation(s) of orgin. UNITED NATIONS Convention on the Rights of the Child Article 8 1. States Parties undertake to respect the right of the child to preserve his or her identity, including nationality, name and family relations as recognized by law without unlawful interference. 2. Where a child is illegally deprived of some or all of the elements of his or her identity, States Parties shall provide appropriate assistance and protection, with a view to re-establishing speedily his or her identity. I and my children have a right to know our nationality. It is part our cultural identity. Thank you for your time and consideration with this submission. Sincerely Roslyn Griston Box 67 Granthams Landing, B.C. Canada V0N 1X0 Phone: 604.886.3430 email: r_griston@dccnet.com

Mr. Manley. Rumours of a Fall Federal Election are increasing. It was hoped that you would take action on Access to Historic Census prior to that happening. The longer you sit on the Report of the Expert Panel on Access to Historic Census the less likely that is to happen. It is imperative that action be taken on this issue before the next Census is taken in 2001. As has been done the past few days regarding changes to Employment Insurance I call on you to present a Government Bill that would allow public access to Historic Census after a reasonable period, and to see it passed before an election is called. Bill C-484 is ready made for you and addresses all concerns regarding access to Census. The UI Bill reportedly affected 600,000 Canadians. Access to Historic Census is of interest to an estimated 7.5 MILLION Canadians -- most of whom are VOTERS. I call on you once more to IMMEDIATELY release the Report of the Expert Panel on Access to Historic Census to the public. That Report is the result of efforts of many thousands of Canadians seeking restored access to Post 1901 Census reports. It was paid for by us, the Public, and we wish to see what we paid for. It is our right! What are you waiting for? Gordon A. WATTS gordon_watts@telus.net Canada Census Committee Keep up to date on Post 1901 Census information at http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census and http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Farm/7843/poll.html Download and circulate Post 1901 Census Petitions now from http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census/petition.htm

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~britishhomechildren/ To all:- Click on the above URL -- it will take you to the "Home Children" site. One terrific, true story book is advertised, "Neither Waif Nor Stray", the search for a man's identity. There are names, other information -- so bookmark this page! Ask me any questions -- I will try to obtain answers. Above all, write to your Canadian Member of Parliament about YOUR Home Child search -- could be your father, grandfather which would link parts of your family. Also, one can also obtain important information from all censuses even the 1996 one, for passports and hopefully locating someone. However, one must have the location that was last known. Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com>

Many thanks, Del! I used the first URL -- could not believe it when the $100.00 of 1914 turned out to be $1,592.96 in 2000. Then, the politicians worry about all the citizens learning about any finances way back in 1911 -- would be about the same. Just another argument to use in our fight to release of Post-1901 census records. Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> Del Templin wrote: > > I saw mention last year about a site where you could imput a dollar fiqure > > that you maybe got off an old will and it would convert it into todays > > value > > http://www.bankofcanada.ca/en/inflation_calc.htm > > http://www.ex.ac.uk/~RDavies/arian/current/howmuch.html > > Also of interest > > http://www.islandnet.com/~kpolsson/cancoin/ > > http://www.smokylake.com/Christy/canada.htm > > ============================== > Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases > http://www.ancestry.com/search > Search over 2500 databases with one easy query!

Gail Collins wrote: > I am on the British Home Children (BHC) mailing list and presently there is > discussion of a Barnardo magazine called Ups & Downs. We know of a couple > issues that have survived but are looking for others that may be hidden > away in attics etc. So far we know of 1902, 1913, 1935. We know 1927 is > at the Ontario Archives. Peterborough has 1939. > > Our aim is to transcribe the names of the orphan home children from these > magazines. If there is someone in the vicinity of Peterborough or the > Ontario Archives we sure could use your help. > > Please contact me at Gail Collins <gcollins@vaxxine.com> > > ============================== > Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate your heritage! > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog

To all:- It was great to see GOLD ticks meaning YES for the following:- Paul Forseth, Val Meredith, Ken Epp, Monte Solberg, Bill Casey The above now have a message on their personal message board at http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census/index6.htm One province reminds me of the Atlantic Ocean!! Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> Canada Census Committee

To Stockwell Day, MP:- I was very pleased to see you voting against the amendment to Jason Kenney's Motion M-160. The amendment was a deliberate PLANT by the Liberal Party -- it minimized the full impact of Jason's motion. Then, to top it off, the actual Motion was CARRIED ON DIVISION. I agree with John Nunziata -- was it correct? Mr. Day, I am only one of over 7.5 million known family researchers across Canada -- then we add to these the unknown ones, many who are only searching for one missing name or link. One major item that Mr. Chretien forgets -- we are VOTERS!!! Since this volunteer group, Canada Census Committee, was formed March 1999, we have made ourselves and cause known to many. The Member of Parliament Scoreboard, updated by Mr. Gordon Watts is at <http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census/index6.htm> The list of all Members of Parliament and their census standing will be published in all provinces as soon as an election is called. Many do not believe this -- we are fighting for a right that should be given freely to citizens -- many need to know "who they really are". I refer to children brought from England classed as "Home Children", and today the children and grandchildren are attempting to learn their heritage. Often surnames were changed, making it difficult. Residents of Alberta, Saskatchewan and Manitoba have never had a Canadian census -- the provinces became part of Canada in 1905, and the 1906 census should have been released in 1998. I know the Liberal Party will never back post-1901 census release, but will the Canadian Alliance? Do we all have to wait until John Manley stops sitting on the Report of The Expert Panel -- who dares to request it? I cannot - I am not elected. Check over the answers from many of the CA party, Ken Epps was wonderful, Monte Solberg basically said YES -- click on the name of the person (left side), scroll down and you will find the message. Often there has to be a leader -- it will not be Chretien, I know. We are appealing to you to lead the way, and above all, get Joe Clark hooked up to internet!! We also want him to answer us. Several good sites:- http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Farm/7843/poll.html Read THE MYTHS OF CENSUS by Gordon Watts and MEMORANDUM OF LAW by Lois Sparling, Albertan lawyer. http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census Go to OTHER SITES -- Jason Kenney's office uses this every day. Click on Genetically Inherited Diseases -- one of my submissions. Mr. Day -- the members of the Liberal Party are procrastinating, do not want us to learn what is in the Expert Panel Report -- they may find we are correct and THEY are wrong. Otherwise, who is holding up the report -- the House Leader????? When you have "digested" all the above, and we will answer any questions, we will look forward to an answer. By the way, a close friend of mine, Senator Lorna Milne has Bill S-15, just passed Second Reading and on to Committee. Murray Calder has Bill C-484, a duplicate of S-15. Is there any way of obtaining a complete listing of those in favour of Motion M-160 -- party politics is alive and well in Ottawa!!! Looking forward to a reply, and PLEASE try to unearth the long-awaited Report of the Expert Panel so all will know what was learned. Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> Brampton, Ontario Canada Census Committee

To all: It is interesting to note the comparison of numbers between the provinces and territories of Canada. The following comparison chart will be published WEEKLY so let's try for GOLD and RED. http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census/index6.htm As of Sept. 25, 2000, Members of Parliament Scoreboard totals were:- GOLF (YES) - 96/RED X (NO) - 8 / GREEN FENCES (Yes/No) - 57 and BLUE ??? (No Answers) - 140 -- Total Number of MPs = 301 Stockwell Day and Joe Clark have not let us know how they feel about census -- they have been added to the BLUE ?? LIST. Newcomers to the GOLD List are: BC - Paul Forseth and Val Meredith AB - Ken Epp and Monte Solberg (who can forget his short answer!) NS - Bill Casey GOLD TICKS - YES are shown as follows: British Columbia - 17 Alberta ------- 14 Saskatchewan - 10 Manitoba---------- 9 Ontario-------- 25 Quebec-------- 5 New Brunswick----- 5 Nova Scotia --- 9 Newfoundland - 2 RED X - NO are as follows:- British Columbia - 1 Alberta - 1 Manitoba ---------- 1 Ontario----------- 4 Yukon -- 1 GREEN FENCE (Yes/No) are as follows:- British Columbia -- 9 Alberta---------- 5 Saskatchewan - 1 Manitoba----------- 2 Ontario--------- 25 Quebec---------8 New Brunswick ----- 4 Nova Scotia ---- 1 P.E.I. --------2 BLUE ???? means No Reply received:- British Columbia - 7 Alberta---------- 6 Saskatchewan - 3 Manitoba---------- 2 Ontario--------- 50 Quebec--------61 New Brunswick----- 1 Nova Scotia ---- 1 P.E.I.-------- 2 Newfoundland----- 5 N.W.Territories - 1 Nunavut------- 1 [Count them -- correct me if I am wrong, please!] It is easy to tell where letters should be mailed, is it not? FREE Postage -- If you send an e-mail, print a copy and mail it to (Member of Parliament)/House of Commons/ Ottawa ON/K1A 0A6 There have already been a number of changes since Sept. 25th -- Gordon Watts will be kept really busy!!! Totals are A-Changing! Fun with Numbers:- Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census >>>>>> Other Sites

Greetings All FYI Gordon ========================== Hon. John Manley Minister of Industry Sir. Prime Minister Jean Chretien was quoted in the Halifax Herald of 27 September 2000 as follows: "Mr. Chretien told delegates to the Liberal biennial convention that he would "fix the problem with UI" to give the party a better chance of winning more seats in the Atlantic region. " The article indicated that possible changes to EI/UI legislation would affect about 600,000 seasonal workers. I would point out to you, as has been done many times before, that there are an estimated 7.5 Million citizens of Canada that seek to find their ancestry, and their heritage in Canada. Many thousands of those citizens have actively campaigned, by writing letters and email to MPs and Ministers, and signing petitions, to see Historic Census restored to it's former situation where it was released to the public after a reasonable period. In case it had not occurred to you, the vast majority of those 7.5 million Canadian genealogists, from all parts of the country, are VOTERS as well. I suspect many of them have voted LIBERAL in the past. Will they do so in the future? Interim Privacy Commissioner George Radwanski was recently reported in an article in the Ottawa Citizen as saying that the Report of the Expert Panel on Access to Historic Census advised allowing Public access to Historic Census records. Mr. Manley, you have been sitting on the Report of the Expert Panel since 30 June 2000, a period now almost three months. It is time now to release that Report to the Public, either with, or without comment. Or do you intend to have it leaked little by little over an extended period of time? What are you waiting for? On behalf of the many Canadians citizens actively seeking their ancestry I call on you to do the following: Immediately release to the Public the Report of the Expert Panel on Access to Historic Census; and Accept Liberal MP Murray Calder's Bill C-484 as a Government Bill. See it processed and passed prior to an election being called. You are no doubt aware that Bill C-484 is word for word identical to Liberal Senator Lorna Milne's Bill S-15 which has received second reading and has been sent to committee. Mr. Manley, this is an issue that has been discussed for the past thirty years. Other studies have been done that also recommended allowing access to Historic Census on a basis similar to what was done with Census records up to 1901. Prior reports have made recommendations for allowing public access after somewhat shorter periods of time than the 92 years currently allowed by Regulations attached to the Privacy Act. Mr. Manley, thirty years of discussion is enough! The time to act on this matter is NOW!! Please do so. Thank you. Gordon A. WATTS gordon_watts@telus.net Canada Census Committee

To all:- In addition to the information in my Genetically Inherited Diseases, this newspaper write-up from the Halifax Herald about a MS treatment breakthrough is great news. Dr. Jock Murray is my brother's doctor, and my brother Clyde has been testing this treatment on behalf of others. Clyde's name and those of others will not be made known, but he has been working to help others -- has been a MS victim for 37 years. Did I say I was proud of him? There is another breakthrough to follow shortly! Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> Canada Census Committee http://www.herald.ns.ca/stories/2000/09/27/f219.raw.html

Hi Jacqui. Murray Calder's Bill C-484 is word for word identical with Senator Lorna Milne's Bill S-15 which has completed second reading and is currently in committee. No meetings of the committee have yet taken place and it is unknown when this will happen. It is definitely a Bill we can support and it is my hope that John Manley would take it as a government Bill and pushes it through. Realistically speaking however this is unlikely to happen. Once the Report of the Expert Panel have been released that is something that we can start pressuring Mr. Manley on. Our pressure at the moment should be for Manley to release the Report of the Expert Panel, and for those MPs who have not yet answered the question of how they would vote on a Bill to allow access to historic census. The way things work in the House is that Private Member's Bills go on a list (Order of Precedence) and starting from the bottom, rotates through to the top of the list when it is allowed a certain period of debate. After that period it is dropped once again to the bottom of the order and goes through the rotation once again. This continues until the Bill is either defeated following/prior to second reading. If the Bill survives second reading it is referred to a committee. Coming out of committee it goes to third reading with whatever recommendations come out of committee, including possible amendments. If the Bill survives third reading it is referred to the Senate, and goes through the whole thing all over again. All of this however is subject to the "luck of the draw" as Private members Bills basically go through a lottery process to see if they will be allowed to be debated and voted on. It is after this that the Bill appears on the Order of Precedence. I believe that if an MP is able to obtain the signatures of 100 other MPs, a Bill can be taken to the top of the Order of Precedence, basically giving it preferential treatment. I am unsure if this happens that full debate takes place at one time or ????? A lot of information regarding processes etc. appears on the Government of Canada web pages. By the way. Links to Bills C-312, S-15, and C-484 are provided on the Post 1901 Census Project website. Happy Hunting. Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: "jacquies mail" <jacnex@home.com> To: <CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, 27 September, 2000 9:53 AM Subject: [CCC] Bill C-484 Hi, I was looking around the Parliment site a few moments ago and found Bill C-484. Now I read the bill, and to me it looks pretty darn good. Chances are it will not survive since an election is going to be called sometime soon, but is it a bill we should be supporting? With M-160 being gutted, I think we should all thank Mr. Kenney, for getting the bill as far as he did, and perhaps two hundred odd emails to Mr. Harb expressing our joy at being screwed once again by a politician. Anyway I think we need a course of action, 1) Get the Expert Panel Report released. Perhaps we could think about each and everyone of us on this list and in our local societies sending a email every Monday morning, and a letter since postage is free, to Mr. Manly simply asking when the report is going to be released. 2) Pressure to get Bill C-484 through the House??? How I am not sure but since Mr. Calder is a Liberal maybe we have a chance. 3) Continue to bother our local MP's about the issue 4) Anyone have any good ideas LETS HEAR THEM, AND I DON'T MEAN JUST GORDON AND MURIEL Alright I have had my say, what does anyone else have to say Jacquie Nex jacnex@home.com

Hi, I was looking around the Parliment site a few moments ago and found Bill C-484. Now I read the bill, and to me it looks pretty darn good. Chances are it will not survive since an election is going to be called sometime soon, but is it a bill we should be supporting? With M-160 being gutted, I think we should all thank Mr. Kenney, for getting the bill as far as he did, and perhaps two hundred odd emails to Mr. Harb expressing our joy at being screwed once again by a politician. Anyway I think we need a course of action, 1) Get the Expert Panel Report released. Perhaps we could think about each and everyone of us on this list and in our local societies sending a email every Monday morning, and a letter since postage is free, to Mr. Manly simply asking when the report is going to be released. 2) Pressure to get Bill C-484 through the House??? How I am not sure but since Mr. Calder is a Liberal maybe we have a chance. 3) Continue to bother our local MP's about the issue 4) Anyone have any good ideas LETS HEAR THEM, AND I DON'T MEAN JUST GORDON AND MURIEL Alright I have had my say, what does anyone else have to say Jacquie Nex jacnex@home.com

Greetings All. Voting on Jason Kenney's Motion M-160 has just been completed in the House of Commons. The motion as proposed read: "That, in the opinion of this House, the government should take all necessary steps to release the 1911 census records once they have been deposited in the National Archives in 2003." Unfortunately, during the final hour of debate on this motion, MP Mac Harb, ostensibly in support of allowing access to Historic Census, proposed an amendment that watered down the main motion considerably. That motion of amendment changed the word "take" to "consider taking". The government could "consider taking" action re: census records until the cows come home and it would not do diddly to satisfy our concerns. The amendment, on a recorded vote, passed 144 to 102 (one might wonder where the other 55 MPs were). The subsequent amended main motion was "carried on division" (meaning there was no recorded vote). The motion passing without a recorded vote is disappointing in that I had intended using a recorded vote to update the MPs Scoreboard.. The fact that the vote was not recorded makes that very difficult. I felt that MPs voting in favour of M-160 would also vote in favour of a Bill to allow access to historic census. A point of interest is that both Stockwell Day and Joe Clark were in the House and both voted against the amendment. I do not recall seeing leaders of the Liberals, Bloc, or NDP. They may have been there but I did not see them, nor do I recall hearing their names called on the vote of the amendment. The Liberals were out in force, and the only two Liberals that voted against the amendment were MPs Murray Calder and John Bryden. Industry Minister John Manley was conspicuous by his absence. Happy Hunting. Gordon A. WATTS gordon_watts@telus.net Port Coquitlam, BC Keep up to date on Post 1901 Census information at http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census and http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Farm/7843/poll.html Download and circulate Post 1901 Census Petitions now from http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census/petition.htm This posting has been sent to Alberta-L, Can-British-Columbia-L, Canada-Census-Campaign-L, Census-Chat-L, Colchester, Lunen-Links-L, Nova-Scotia-L, Ontario-L, PictouRoots, Roots-L, Watts-L, and Wiltshire-EMI-L mail lists. Permission to forward without notification is granted.

To all: It is interesting to note the comparison of numbers between the provinces and territories of Canada. The following comparison chart will be published WEEKLY so let's try for GOLD and RED. http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census/index6.htm As of Sept. 19, 2000, Members of Parliament Scoreboard totals were:- GOLF (YES) - 91/RED X (NO) - 8 / GREEN FENCES (Yes/No) - 57 and BLUE ??? (No Answers) - 145 -- Total Number of MPs = 301 Stockwell Day and Joe Clark have not let us know how they feel about census -- they have been added to the BLUE ?? LIST. We lost two good GOLD Members of Parliament - Jim Hart and Scott Brison, but Dr. Jim Pankiw surprised us! GOLD TICKS - YES are shown as follows: British Columbia - 15 Alberta ------- 12 Saskatchewan - 10 Manitoba---------- 9 Ontario-------- 25 Quebec--------- 5 New Brunswick----- 5 Nova Scotia --- 8 Newfoundland - 2 RED X - NO are as follows:- British Columbia - 1 Alberta - 1 Manitoba ---------- 1 Ontario----------- 4 Yukon -- 1 GREEN FENCE (Yes/No) are as follows:- British Columbia -- 8 Alberta---------- 5 Saskatchewan - 1 Manitoba----------- 2 Ontario--------- 25 Quebec--------- 8 New Brunswick ----- 4 Nova Scotia ---- 2 P.E.I. -------- 2 BLUE ???? means No Reply received:- British Columbia - 10 Alberta---------- 8 Saskatchewan - 3 Manitoba---------- 2 Ontario--------- 50 Quebec--------61 New Brunswick----- 1 Nova Scotia ---- 1 P.E.I.-------- 2 Newfoundland----- 5 N.W.Territories - 1 Nunavut------- 1 It is easy to tell where letters should be mailed, is it not? FREE Postage -- If you send an e-mail, print a copy and mail it to (Member of Parliament)/House of Commons/ Ottawa ON/K1A 0A6 There have already been a number of changes since Sept. 19th -- Gordon Watts will be kept really busy!!! Totals are A-Changing! Fun with Numbers:- Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census >>>>>> Other Sites

To All:- As readers have possibly noticed, several things have been happening!! We have had the release of the Environics Research Report, all 27 pages of it, with well-worded questions that could only be answered the way desired by the researchers. Mr. John Manley is reading the Report of the Expert Panel, which he has had since June 30, 2000 - no explanation for the delay. Gordon Watts received this news from two different sources. Some of us, including myself, have been blowing off steam and frustration at John Manley -- possibly this helped steer him toward the report. Now that he is reading it, we can be less agitative, but gentle persistence must be maintained. YOU will find more can be accomplished if each one writes to his/her own Member of Parliament - gentle reminder to Manley. Should the symbols not show either a GOLD tick or RED X, ask "Why not?" You have every right to know, as a taxpayer -- but be subtle -- we do not want John Manley to put the report aside. E-mails are fine -- but are often counted, not read. Prepare an e-mail, but after sending it, print off a copy, sign it and seal in an envelope. Best bargain yet -- FREE postage -- helps make up for gasoline prices. (Name of Member)/House of Commons, Ottawa, ON K1A 0A6 It will be the letter that is answered, not the e-mail. Check: http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census/index6.htm Ontario has 50, Quebec 61 MPs who have not replied, plus others. Petitions and resumption of fall activities go together -- print yours from http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census/petition.htm Addresses are on petitions for both House of Commons and Senate. Mark your calendar:- Sept. 26, 2000, about 6:30 p.m., Jason Kenney's Motion M-160 will be voted upon. There should also be 13 minutes of time left over from the one hour debate. I will be watching CPAC-- Eastern Standard Time -- and we will be counting the YES and NO people. Keep up the pressure -- but with a velvet glove -- Mr. Manley has to keep on reading!!! Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Farm/7843/poll.html