The following memo was posted on the latest CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN memo -- seems a bit contrary to one I received recently. It is also the case of UNELECTED Assistants answering as they desire!! Received by Lance Schonberg <lschonberg@yahoo.ca> ----------------------------------------- Charles Caccia is currently listed on the scoreboard with a big "?", but it seems he feels differently. What really amazed me was the speed of the response from his assistant. Fifteen minutes! Must have been a very slow mail day. Lance Schonberg Toronto --- "Caccia, Charles - Assistant 1" <CacciC0@parl.gc.ca> wrote: From: "Caccia, Charles - Assistant 1" <CacciC0@parl.gc.ca> To: "'Lance Schonberg'" <lschonberg@yahoo.ca> Subject: RE: Post 1901 Census Release Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 14:38:09 -0400 Dear Mr. Schonberg, On behalf of Mr. Caccia, I wish to assure you Mr. Caccia will vote in favour of Bill C-484, an act to amend the Statistics Act and the National Archives of Canada Act (census records) introduced by Mr. Murray Calder, M.P. The intent of the bill is to amend the Statistics Act and the National Archives of Canada Act to allow for the transfer of census records from Statistics Canada to the National Archives of Canada where the records would be released to the public subject to the Privacy Act. Mr. Caccia has been following closely the debate in the House over this issue. Thank you for writing, Sincerely, ------------------------------------------------------- Annie Bérubé, Legislative Assistant Office of Charles Caccia, M.P. (Davenport) Chair, House of Commons Standing Committee on Environment and Sustainable Development Phone (613) 992-2632 Fax (613) 995-8202 Email caccic0@parl.gc.ca ====================== The following message was received when I queried how he would vote re Jason Kenney's Motion M-160, with amendment by Mac Harb, MP:- Dear Ms. Davidson, Yes, I supported the motion as amended. John Cannis, M.P. Scarborough Centre ================= Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> Canada Census Committee

To readers:- Go to: <http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census> Scroll down to "Other Sites" -- click on Genetically Inherited Diseases This was a submission from myself, with assistance from all listed there, (some names have been withheld) to the Expert Panel -- mailed in April, 2000. The Recommendations are my own -- will be anxious to learn if any will be accepted for the future. Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> Canada Census Committee >>>>>>>>>>>>>>..............................<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Recommendations --A question to be added (or substituted) to the 2001 census questions, asking for people to list known Genetically Inheritable Diseases with a YES or NO. Reason: The present question, " deaf, dumb, blind, insane" and others have been criticized by many. Instead, should I find a YES to any one of these, it would be treated as an answer to a possibly previously unexplained medical condition. --At present children being adopted are received in basically the WYSIWYG -- What You See Is What You Get -- manner and adoption system. Complete medical history of both father and mother (if possible), blood types, known genetically inheritable diseases, should be part of the adoption process. Names of real parents, locality of birth are NOT part of a medical history. --Census records of people in institutions of long term care:- Back in 1901 and 1911, also earlier, many family members were admitted to "poor farms", county homes or insane asylums. To my knowledge, there are no census records of these members of a family -- they were locked away as if they never existed. Mental illness seems to be a taboo subject - but one that needs diagnosis. NOTE:- I have learned SOME institutions provided records, others did not.

Submission by Donald A. Nisbet to the Expert Panel on Access to Historical Census Records April 24, 2000 "The law must be consonant with life. It cannot and should not ignore broad historical currents of history. Mankind is possessed of no greater urge than to try to understand the age-old question: "Who am I?" "Why am I?" Those emotions and anxieties that generate our thirst to know the past are not superficial and whimsical. They are real and they are "good cause" under the law of man and God." Judge Wade S. Weatherford, Jr. Seventh Judicial Circuit Court, South Carolina Ruling on an adoptee's petition to gain access to adoption records. ======================================= To all:- May be found at -- and printable from http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census >>>> Other Sites Look for Submission by Donald A. Nisbet -- click on that, print and read. Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> Canada Census Committee ---------------------- MAY BE FORWARDED ----------------

>>>>>>> The following may be forwarded <<<<<<<< To all family historians, using the census records:- We are all hoping the various Bills before the Senate and House of Commons will be passed and the 1911 Canadian census records will be available for viewing in 2003. ONTARIO does not show a very good picture on the Member of Parliament Scoreboard, to be found at:- http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census/index6.htm The Scoreboard will be printed prior to a federal election -- we would like only two (2) colors: GOLD = YES and RED = NO. - Of the 8 with RED X signifying NO, 3 (three) were Ontario Liberals - There are 57 sitting on little pieces of GREEN FENCE, signifying Yes/No (we do not know) including many Liberal Members from Ontario - The BLUE ? means the elected Member of Parliament could not be bothered to answer his/her constituent or other. Of the total of 144, there are 50 Liberal Members and 1 Independent from Ontario Many thanks to all the Members of Parliament who have expressed SUPPORT Bill S-15 by Senator Lorna Milne, has had second reading; Bill C-484 by Murray Calder has had first reading; Bill C-312 by Mac Harb had first reading. Go to: http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census Choose OTHER SITES -- there is a great deal to read, including my own submission to the Expert Panel re Genetically Inherited Diseases. IF every family researcher wrote to his/her Member of Parliament, it would be great -- also implore John Manley to release the Report, received June 30, 2000 -- let's ask him what is the holdup!!! Any answers, let me know, please! With a possible election, it is time they made a commitment to YOU! Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> Canada Census Committee http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Farm/7843/poll.html

Charles Caccia is currently listed on the scoreboard with a big "?", but it seems he feels differently. What really amazed me was the speed of the response from his assistant. Fifteen minutes! Must have been a very slow mail day. Lance Schonberg Toronto --- "Caccia, Charles - Assistant 1" <CacciC0@parl.gc.ca> wrote: > From: "Caccia, Charles - Assistant 1" <CacciC0@parl.gc.ca> > To: "'Lance Schonberg'" <lschonberg@yahoo.ca> > Subject: RE: Post 1901 Census Release > Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 14:38:09 -0400 > > Dear Mr. Schonberg, > On behalf of Mr. Caccia, I wish to assure you Mr. Caccia will vote in > favour > of Bill C-484, an act to amend the Statistics Act and the National > Archives > of Canada Act (census records) introduced by Mr. Murray Calder, M.P. > The > intent of the bill is to amend the Statistics Act and the National > Archives > of Canada Act to allow for the transfer of census records from > Statistics > Canada to the National Archives of Canada where the records would be > released to the public subject to the Privacy Act. Mr. Caccia has > been > following closely the debate in the House over this issue. > Thank you for writing, > Sincerely, > ------------------------------------------------------- > Annie B�rub�, Legislative Assistant > Office of Charles Caccia, M.P. (Davenport) > Chair, House of Commons Standing Committee on > Environment and Sustainable Development > Phone (613) 992-2632 > Fax (613) 995-8202 > Email caccic0@parl.gc.ca > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lance Schonberg [mailto:lschonberg@yahoo.ca] > Sent: October 2, 2000 2:23 PM > To: Caccic0@parl.gc.ca > Subject: Post 1901 Census Release > > > Mr. Charles Caccia, M.P. > House of Commons > Parliament Buildings > Ottawa, Ontario > K1A 0A6 > > Dear Sir: > > Current estimates suggest that more than 7.5 million Canadians are > involved in genealogical research. These citizens are on a quest for > > their past, for their Canadian heritage and regard the Census reports > as a primary source of information. Under current legislation, post > 1901 Census reports will not be released to the public after 92 years > as the Census reports up to, and including, the 1901 have been. > > Those 7.5 million voters, now including myself, have, in the past two > years, sent numerous letters, e-mail messages, and petitions to their > local Members of Parliament, Government Ministers, and Senators > expressing their dismay with, and opposition to, the current > legislation and have requested the legislation be amended to allow > release to the Public of Census reports after 92 years, beginning > with > the 1906 Census immediately and the 1911 Census in 2003. > > I write to you, as my Member of Parliament, to ask the following > question: > > Would you, as a Member of the House of Commons of the Parliament of > Canada, having been placed in that position by the voting citizens of > your Constituency, vote FOR or AGAINST a Bill supporting release to > the > Public of Post 1901 Census Reports after 92 years, starting with the > 1906 Census? > > I await your answer to this question at your earliest convenience. > > Thank you. > > Yours sincerely, > > > > Lance Schonberg > 36 Salem Ave, Toronto > > _______________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca

To all:- Manitoba and Saskatchewan do not presently have provincial contacts for the Post-1901 Canadian census release campaign. An interested person is needed in each province as it has been found residents will write to someone in their area. It does help if one belongs to the CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN list. There are occasional memos to forward to the lists in the province, as we look forward to the day the post-1901 census is released. The 1906 census of Alberta, Manitoba and Saskatchewan should have been released in 1998 -- but it was not. Read the following:- MEMORANDUM OF LAW by Lois Sparling, Albertan barrister, http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Farm/7843/poll.html One does not have to be a member of a genealogical society to be a contact -- let me know and I will answer any questions. Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census/index6.htm

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Greetings All This morning, on the inaugural Internet broadcast of EssentialTalk, a new Internet talk program in Canada accessible at http://www.essentialtalk.com I had the pleasure of being the first caller. The first guest of the program was Stockwell Day. I asked him what his position on allowing access to Historic Census was, and if he was willing to ask John Manley in Question Period why he refuses to release the Report of the Expert Panel on Access to Historic Census to the public. In typical political style he did not answer the first question directly (i.e with a "support" or "do not support" answer) but indicated it was a very good question, and that "we have a Bill to do just that", or words to that effect. He did not answer the second question. He was a guest on the program for only 30 minutes. Mr. Day's response was positive enough that I will be giving him a gold tick on the Scoreboard. I will be sending him an email asking what Bill he was referring to as I am not aware of anything the Canadian Alliance has on the go since Jason Kenney's Motion M-160 was passed (in a watered down amended form). I will also ask again if he is willing to ask John Manley in Question Period why he refuses to release the Report of the Expert Panel to the public. Maybe I will be fortunate enough to get a response that is not generated by a machine. Gordon

To Stockwell Day, MP:- <day@canadianalliance.ca> As time draws near to when an election could be called, family researchers are very anxious to learn how YOU feel about Post-1901 Canadian census records release. Really, the records belong to you, to me, to all Canadians. In my family we have too many genetically inherited diseases -- my youngest brother wishes he could get around like you do -- but his mode of transportation after 37 years of MS is a wheelchair. He has been one of the group testing the now successful new treatment, which, if given at early diagnosis of MS, means there might never be the need of a wheelchair. One of your citizens of British Columbia has a heart defect, which is hereditary -- she needs the 1911 census to check for relatives so she will be able to warn them of this family trait. The Hon. John Manley, MP received the Report of the Expert Panel June 30, 2000. He did not start reading it until the middle of August. To date we have heard nothing except a brief message from Chuck Strahl -- Gordon Watts has been unable to locate the "message" in Hansard. You are an elected Member of Parliament -- and being in Opposition you have a very good opportunity to DEMAND, as a Canadian, the Report of the Expert Panel be made public. There are far more than 7.5 million (a conservative figure) researchers in Canada. Many have written to Mr. Manley -- they receive outdated publicity sheets, e.g. one notice stated Jason Kenney's motion was defeated in June -- it was voted on in September. Our hope is that Mr. Manley might fast-track a government bill prior to an election date -- he could use either Murray Calders C-484 or Senator Lorna Milne's S-15 -- the bill are identical. Census records are a matter of concern even in your present riding. Jim Hart was in favor of census records release -- we wished we could pass his GOLD tick on to you -- but we cannot do anything until you reply. Please humour the "little folks" -- the ones who are trying to locate family members -- you would hear a coast-to-coast Canadian cheer should you ask about the Report of the Expert Panel during Question Period. Canadians tune into CPAC -- many even prefer House of Commons proceedings to the usual soap operas. Please, Mr. Day -- we know we are not of your riding -- but we are Canadians -- and need to learn our heritage. Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> 25 Crestview Avenue Brampton, ON L6W 2R8 1-905-451-3542 Brampton Centre Riding

To sheila Ward:- Your statement has been read and taken to heart. Many thanks for the kind words about Gordon Watts and myself -- we often wonder where the other members of the committee are, but continue on as this is a personal campaign on behalf of all researchers. Genealogical societies???? The group to which Senator Lorna Milne belongs has not supported her to date -- I was told they might "in the future". Re Stockwell Day -- I think the automated feature is great, wish all MPs used the same little gadget. Instead, their UNELECTED assistants answer for them, often contrary to thoughts of the ELECTED MP. I have been copying Stockwell Day in on many messages long before he was elected -- to date, there has been NO ANSWER. I am also one of those who will not be voting for him -- but many others of the Canadian Alliance Party have replied to me in a POSITIVE tone. Exasperation and frustration often take over -- and the automated messages have been the last straw, when the man does not know how to say YES, NO, MAYBE. There are only two colours wanted on the scoreboard, GOLD and RED. Will YOU try to get an answer from Mr. Stockwell Day, MP, please???? YOU might succeed where others have not. Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> Canada Census Committee NOTE:- Your message came through in "layers", words on top of each other -- somewhere along the line, the message was compressed. Sheila Ward wrote: > I am feeling increasingly uneasy about the tone of some emails being sent out > to MPs. This subject has arisen before and I was somewhat sympathetic with the > gentleman who suggested we might be more successful with a less strident tone > of voice. I didn't say anything at the time because I want to support the > tremendous effort Murial and Gordon have been and are putting forth on behalf > of all of us. They have waged a two person campaign that must seem to MPs to > be coming from a team of thousands. However, I thought I would add my thoughts > to the message below. First, I don't care whether Stockwell Day and his entire > caucus support our request - I will never vote for him because of all the > things he stands for that are anethma to me. I don't want to suggest that my > vote and indeed the vote of 1000s of Canadians will necessarily follow because > he acts responsibly on this one issue. I think he should be reminded that > there are 1000s of us, that this issue is a very critical one to us and that > we will be watching how he votes on it. He can draw what he wishes from that > and indeed, it may be that some of us would vote for him on the basis of one > issue. I won't, however, and I am sure there are at least 2 or 3 others like > me in the ranks. And so I am uncomfortable with a suggestion to the > contrary. Secondly, as much as I oppose this man and his party, I think we > need to be fair to him and taking him to task for an automatic reply is, in my > view, foolish. Given the number of lobbyists pummeling MPs daily, it makes > sense to me that they use this feature. The tremendous upside is that we have > proof positive that the email was received in his office. Now, if he ignores > its, or tries to pretend he didn't receive it, he hasn't a leg to stand on. It > also means we get an accurate read of whether or not this issue is any kind of > priority a) by the length of time it takes to get an answer, and, b) by the > kind of answer we get. Seems to me we are better off on all fronts because of > this automatic response which is nothing more than an acknowledgement. We > look a bit foolish, I think, responding to the automatic response. I hope my > comments are taken in the spirit in which they are intended. I salute the > magnificent effort that has been put forth by Muriel and Gordon and there is > no doubt in my mind that, Mac Harb not withstanding, there would have been no > possibility of even that weakened motion having been passed if not for the > effort they put forth. If we eventually get the census released, we will owe > it almost entirely to their efforts. What I hope we can avoid is any backlash > brought on by an unfortunate approach in our correspondence with MPs. Like us, > they are angered by any kind of subtle or implied threat and like us, too, > they expect some understanding that they receive dozens of pieces of mail > every single day and it takes time and thought to reply to it. Which also > leads me to another point - most of our MPs represent upwards of 100,000 > voters and they are pushed to stay on top of all the issues that that many > people can be involved in. Many have a rule that they will only respond to > constituents and again, if you knew how many paid lobbyists bombard them with > material each day you would understand why they follow this approach. It is > not at all unreasonable, in my view, for them to respond only to constituents. > After all, if the issue is national in scope, or as important as all lobbyists > claim their issue is, then it is not at all unreasonable for them to expect to > hear about it from one of their own voters. And be certain, they will > certainly respond to their own constituents. When we run into that policy, we > need to see what we can do to mobilize individuals in the riding to write in. > We can do that through local genealogical societies etc. We need to be as > sophisticated in our approach as the registered professional lobbyists are in > their campaigns and I offer this with a view to helping us be more successful. > That the issue has gone as far as it has, that the government is feeling the > heat that it is, is due in large measure to the very professional job Muriel > and Gordon have done in dealing with all aspects of it. There is tremendous > opposition within Stats Canada and within the Privacy Commissioner's office > to a change of policy on the census; we need to remind ourselves of just how > extremely difficult it is to move ministers when bureaucrats dig in their > heels.Sheila Wardin Toronto > >> Subject: Response from day@canadianalliance.ca >> Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 22:16:24 -0700 >> From: day@canadianalliance.ca >> Reply-To: postmaster@mail.netmatrix.com >> To: davidson3542@home.com >> >> Your message has been received, thank you. >> Nous avons reçu votre message, merci. >> ------------------------------------------------------------- >> To all: >> I am acquiring a large collection of the above meaningless message -- >> only proves to us he has a machine minding his mail! >> Wonder if we might get an answer if he had a human being looking >> at his mail -- one with eyes to read, or be able to tell Mr. Day to answer. >> >> He might soon be PLEADING for votes to "become the next prime >> minister of Canada" as we have heard many, many times. >> >> Stockwell -- If YOU want OUR votes, we need to hear from you re >> Post-1901 Census Release. >> >> The date an election is announced YOU will see how quickly your >> BLUE ???? will turn to a RED X -- meaning NO. >> >> If you wish votes -- and you will -- remember we are voters! >> >> Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> >> http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census/index6.htm >> >> NOTE:- Now I have to turn the computer off quickly before I add >> another "SAY NOTHING" automated message to a collection! > >

Greetings ALL As the original of this message was bounced because it was sent in Rich Text mode I am resending it to the list. All are reminded that messages posted to any Rootsweb mail lists must be in Plain Text. Happy Hunting. Gordon ============================= I am feeling increasingly uneasy about the tone of some emails being sent out to MPs. This subject has arisen before and I was somewhat sympathetic with the gentleman who suggested we might be more successful with a less strident tone of voice. I didn't say anything at the time because I want to support the tremendous effort Muriel and Gordon have been and are putting forth on behalf of all of us. They have waged a two person campaign that must seem to MPs to be coming from a team of thousands. However, I thought I would add my thoughts to the message below. First, I don't care whether Stockwell Day and his entire caucus support our request - I will never vote for him because of all the things he stands for that are anethma to me. I don't want to suggest that my vote and indeed the vote of 1000s of Canadians will necessarily follow because he acts responsibly on this one issue. I think he should be reminded that there are 1000s of us, that this issue is a very critical one to us and that we will be watching how he votes on it. He can draw what he wishes from that and indeed, it may be that some of us would vote for him on the basis of one issue. I won't, however, and I am sure there are at least 2 or 3 others like me in the ranks. And so I am uncomfortable with a suggestion to the contrary. Secondly, as much as I oppose this man and his party, I think we need to be fair to him and taking him to task for an automatic reply is, in my view, foolish. Given the number of lobbyists pummeling MPs daily, it makes sense to me that they use this feature. The tremendous upside is that we have proof positive that the email was received in his office. Now, if he ignores its, or tries to pretend he didn't receive it, he hasn't a leg to stand on. It also means we get an accurate read of whether or not this issue is any kind of priority a) by the length of time it takes to get an answer, and, b) by the kind of answer we get. Seems to me we are better off on all fronts because of this automatic response which is nothing more than an acknowledgement. We look a bit foolish, I think, responding to the automatic response. I hope my comments are taken in the spirit in which they are intended. I salute the magnificent effort that has been put forth by Muriel and Gordon and there is no doubt in my mind that, Mac Harb not withstanding, there would have been no possibility of even that weakened motion having been passed if not for the effort they put forth. If we eventually get the census released, we will owe it almost entirely to their efforts. What I hope we can avoid is any backlash brought on by an unfortunate approach in our correspondence with MPs. Like us, they are angered by any kind of subtle or implied threat and like us, too, they expect some understanding that they receive dozens of pieces of mail every single day and it takes time and thought to reply to it. Which also leads me to another point - most of our MPs represent upwards of 100,000 voters and they are pushed to stay on top of all the issues that that many people can be involved in. Many have a rule that they will only respond to constituents and again, if you knew how many paid lobbyists bombard them with material each day you would understand why they follow this approach. It is not at all unreasonable, in my view, for them to respond only to constituents. After all, if the issue is national in scope, or as important as ALL lobbyists claim their issue is, then it is not at all unreasonable for them to expect to hear about it from one of their own voters. And be certain, they will certainly respond to their own constituents. When we run into that policy, we need to see what we can do to mobilize individuals in the riding to write in. We can do that through local genealogical societies etc. We need to be as sophisticated in our approach as the registered professional lobbyists are in their campaigns and I offer this with a view to helping us be more successful. That the issue has gone as far as it has, that the government is feeling the heat that it is, is due in large measure to the very professional job Muriel and Gordon have done in dealing with all aspects of it. There is tremendous opposition within Stats Canada and within the Privacy Commissioner's office to a change of policy on the census; we need to remind ourselves of just how extremely difficult it is to move ministers when bureaucrats dig in their heels. Sheila Ward in Toronto

Subject: Response from day@canadianalliance.ca Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 22:16:24 -0700 From: day@canadianalliance.ca Reply-To: postmaster@mail.netmatrix.com To: davidson3542@home.com Your message has been received, thank you. Nous avons reçu votre message, merci. ------------------------------------------------------------- To all: I am acquiring a large collection of the above meaningless message -- only proves to us he has a machine minding his mail! Wonder if we might get an answer if he had a human being looking at his mail -- one with eyes to read, or be able to tell Mr. Day to answer. He might soon be PLEADING for votes to "become the next prime minister of Canada" as we have heard many, many times. Stockwell -- If YOU want OUR votes, we need to hear from you re Post-1901 Census Release. The date an election is announced YOU will see how quickly your BLUE ???? will turn to a RED X -- meaning NO. If you wish votes -- and you will -- remember we are voters! Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census/index6.htm NOTE:- Now I have to turn the computer off quickly before I add another "SAY NOTHING" automated message to a collection!

To Stockwell Day <day@canadianalliance.ca> Congratulations, Mr. Day, on your victory in British Columbia -- we are very happy for you as you look forward to your seat in the House of Commons! CPAC should become very interesting -- as Joe Clark also won his riding of Kings-Hants, in my native province. Many Canada-wide residents have one main question:- "Would you, as an elected Member of the House of Commons of the Parliament of Canada, vote FOR or AGAINST a Bill supporting release to the Public, of Post 1901 Census Records, 92 years after they were recorded. ( 1911 census information available in 2003, 1921 in 2013 etc)" As the House of Commons Sessions resume Sept. 18, your induction Sept. 19, Canadians will be listening and watching to see IF you back one of your Canadian Alliance Party Members on Sept. 20, 2000. Jason Kenney, an Alberta MP, has the third hour of debate on Motion M-160, Sept. 20, 2000, about 6:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time. What will your decision be -- to support Jason Kenney? Now that the election day is over, you will have time for a bit of reading: http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census - There is a great deal here, from reasons, history, petitions, OTHER SITES. Check THE MYTHS OF CENSUS, plus my Genetically Inherited Diseases. http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census/index6.htm - Will you be eligible for the GOLD tick Jim Hart had received? http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Farm/7843/poll.html - This site will become a Canada-wide genealogical forum when we know the Post-1901 Canadian census records will be released. Gordon A. Watts <gordon_watts@telus.net> is one of your fellow residents of British Columbia -- check the scoreboard and OTHER SITES. Sincerely hope, as a beginning, you will be in support of Jason Kenney and his Motion M-160. Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> Canada Census Committee

SUBMISSION TO EXPERT PANEL ON ACCESS TO HISTORICAL CENSUS RECORDS by Lyndall H. Winters PART I - INTRODUCTION Perhaps I should begin this submission by explaining who I am, providing a little of my background and why I am vitally interested in this matter of census records. I am a retired Officer of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (Superintendent), having served in that organization for 35 plus years. Following retirement, I worked as an investigator with the Office of the Information Commissioner of Canada, investigating complaints from citizens who believed they were denied access to records they had requested under the Access to Information Act. I worked in that capacity for eight years, finally retiring in 1994. During those eight years, my work took me into many federal government departments in several provinces. Not only did I have a firm grounding in the Access to Information Act, the work required me to understand the provisions of the Privacy Act. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< To all:- The above are only the first two paragraphs of a wonderful, well-written article re Census, Access to Information and Privacy Act. It is due to an article by the same writer,published in the Nova Scotia Genealogist that I became aware of the post-1901 census records problem. Go to: <http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census> >>>> Other Sites There is a great deal of weekend reading material at this site -- you may also print the necessary petitions!! Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Farm/7843/poll.html

The following address may be given to anyone -- was sent to me by a politician. Mr. Paul Johnson Census Pension Searches Unit Census Operations Division Statistics Canada B 1 E - 34, Jean Talon Building Tunney's Pasture Ottawa, Ontario K1A 0T6 Fax: (613) 951-5969 The above department has worked for several -- all census records are at National Archives -- up to 1996 -- only we cannot view any after 1901. What one would get -- for a small fee -- would be an extract. Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> Canada Census Committee

To all:- Gordon Watts deserves much credit for making it easy to send a message to a Member of Parliament <gordon_watts@telus.net> We, as Canadians, are very concerned about this matter -- the Report of the Expert Panel was given to John Manley June 30, 2000 -- to date we do not have one word of it. Gordon Watts has been in contact with Dr. Pamela White, as have others. Senator Lorna Milne loves PETITIONS, these may be sent to her office, or to my address for her. [Also view OTHER SITES at this URL] http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census Petitions are downloadable in Word, WordPerfect -- address on them. Americans would choose the Non-Canadian one. If you know the area of your Canadian roots, be our guest -- tell the MP and how important it is to learn if your grandfather (or other) had siblings, ages, basic information. [I do not care how many bushels of wheat were grown or the money earned -- the dollar value is very different today]. The main one in Ontario to smother with letters is Hon. John Manley <Manley.J@parl.gc.ca> To send a letter by mail, address it to House of Commons, Parliament Buildings, Ottawa, Ontario K1A 0A6 Mr. Manley is responsible for census, appointed the Expert Panel. All assistance is appreciated. Senator Milne keeps the matter in the forefront by mentioning the petitions received - it is reported in Hansard, the daily journal. Hoping to hear from you, Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> 25 Crestview Ave., Brampton, Ontario L6W 2R8 http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census/index6.htm http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Farm/7843/poll.html ====================

All the following subjects deal with the Post-1901 Census Campaign: "The Myths of Census" by Gordon A. WATTS "Memorandun of Law" by Lois Sparling "Genetically Inherited Diseases" by Muriel M. Davidson Submission by Donald A. Nisbet Submission by Lyndall H. Winters Submission by Alberta Family History Society Submission by Ian E. Wilson, National Archivist Submission by Ivan Fellegi, Chief Statistician of Canada Submission by Bruce Phillips, Privacy Commissioner of Canada Submission by The Canadian Historical Association ---------------------------------------- To read any of the above, see what different ones had to say in the fight for the release of the post-1901 census, go to:- http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census Scroll down to OTHER SITES -- click on it. The above AND MORE will be found there. Prepared for your convenience by Gordon Watts. Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com>

Subject: Response from day@canadianalliance.ca Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 20:27:37 -0700 From: day@canadianalliance.ca Reply-To: postmaster@mail.netmatrix.com To: davidson3542@home.com Your message has been received, thank you. Nous avons reçu votre message, merci. =============================== To all listers:- The latest craze is collecting replies from Stockwell Day -- as he enjoys having fun with his automated message recipient machine. What does the message say -- not very much, I am afraid, and he is the one who has been introduced as the "next prime minister of Canada". By ignoring the Census Committee, he is ignoring many! Stockwell Day has to learn there are more than 7.5 million people (VOTERS) working at family history in Canada. This figure was given to us by a government department -- we did not pull it "out of thin air". I ask everyone to try to get an answer from Stockwell Day, either YES or NO -- he DID voted against the "planted" Liberal amendment, as did others. Send him a polite e-mail, asking for census release support, and start your own collection of Stockwell Day "Say Nothings". Come on, Stockwell -- you have sufficient rhetoric at times -- and above all, do not give us the old story of YOU are not in MY riding! When it comes to Canadian census records, Canada is ONE riding! Looking forward to hearing from you, Mr. Day! Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> Canada Census Committee

TO ALL LISTERS:- I will assist anyone writing a Letter to the Editor, send the letter to me -- privately -- I will send it back the same way. ---------------------------------------- http://www.webwombat.com.au/intercom/newsprs/index.htm http://www.chebucto.ns.ca/Media/newspapers.html ================== The above newspaper URLs were posted during the past few days. There was another one -- now inaccessible, The first one listed above has been changed to http://www.onlinenewspapers.com/ A chart opens up -- newspapers available from around the world. I clicked on CANADA -- you have a choice of "alphabetically" or by "province" -- the lists are printable -- then I find my contact editor's name and copy this beside the name of the newspaper. The second URL above is very interesting -- one can even learn Gaelic or have a trip along Nova Scotia's Eastern Shore No. 7 Highway, etc. Above all -- we request all who want census records released to write to the Editor as given for Letters to the Editor. You will find many papers are very interested -- try The Hill Times, Ottawa, this newspaper is "up" on all the latest goings-on at Parliament Hill. Remember -- these are "online" newspapers -- you might also like to send signed letters, full address and a phone number, to YOUR local paper. If every family researcher did this, possibly we might eventually obtain the Report of the Expert Panel. We NEED to do everything we can possibly do to let the government know the Members of Parliament have a responsibility to US - the PEOPLE. Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> Canada Census Committee http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census/index6.htm

Listers, please read, you may find that illusive relative. There were 100,000 childen transported from England, Scotland and Wales from the 1800's to as late as 1944 to Canada, Australia and South Africa. These children ranged in age from 2 to 16. These boys and girls were taken from institutions, Poor Houses, Orphanges, religious Charities of all denomination , E Charities and Catholic Charities and thousands were emigrated without parental knowledge or consent. This could be why some spent their lives trying to find their British families. My Grandmother, Elsie E. A. Berry was a British Home Child. She was with a Annie MacPherson Party on the SS Tunisian and arrived in Canada in 1909. She travelled by train from Quebec to Stratford, Ontario. Elsie was lucky, as she came with her sister Rose L. E. Berry. They had some time together, she had some contact by mail with her mother and brother in England. Not all BHC children had the luxury of knowing their parents and siblings. Please lobby your governments and Parliament to demand that the information regarding these Children be readily available so that the descendants of BHC's can find the parents and siblings of their loved ones. Lobby to have the sending agencies and other instutions release their information to BHC decendents as the British Parliament recommended a few years ago. Please read the news release below and forward it to your newspapers, television, and radio stations to help the unclaimed British Home Children be claimed by their descendants and not be left forever lost. Thank you. Patricia Corney Quakertown, PA USA Granddaughter of Elsie Eliza A. BERRY, BHC IOWFHS #1334 bluroc@worldnet.att.net ----- Original Message ----- From: psnow@cadvision.com To: Patricia Corney Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 2:37 PM Subject: Neither Waif Nor Stray Perry Snow BA(Hon) MA, Clinical Psychologist 325 Market Mall Executive Professional Centre 4935 40th Avenue N.W., Calgary, Alberta, Canada Phone: 403-288-4777 Email: psnow@cadvision.com FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: NEITHER WAIF NOR STRAY: The Search For A Stolen Identity ISBN 1-58112-758-8 There is a harrowing chapter missing from Canadian history books about Canada's Invisible Immigrants. Between 1870 and 1940, more than fifty childcare organizations deported 100,000 alleged orphaned, abandoned, illegitimate, and impoverished children to Canada ostensibly to "provide them with better lives than they would have had in England." Thousands of six-to-15-year-old children were transported without their parents' knowledge or consent to work as indentured farm labourers and domestic servants until they were 18 years old. Currently, there are an estimated four million Canadian descendants of British Home Children, many desperately seeking their unknown 20 million British relatives. They are not alone: millions of Americans and Australians, possibly comprising 10% of their population, are also unaware of the existence of family members in the United Kingdom. Could you be one of them? Is there a "British Orphan" in your family tree? For Calgary author and Clinical Psychologist, Perry Snow, examining the psychological traumas experienced by British Home Children is very close to home: the child profiled in his book is his father - Frederick Snow. Neither Waif Nor Stray: The Search For A Stolen Identity provides a personal and professional investigation of one British Home Child's life in Canada. The author has documented his father's persistent lifelong efforts to obtain vital information that would have reunited him with his family in England, and the continuing search he inherited after his father's death. His father's search was typical of thousands of British Home Children - and their descendants. According to Snow, some children were fortunate and were treated as members of Canadian families. But more than half suffered from abuse and neglect. Neither the Canadian government nor the British agencies assumed responsibility for their welfare. Many were not allowed to go to school, nor provided with adequate food, clothing, or shelter. They suffered a unique form of prejudice in Canada because of their presumed "tainted" origins. They were ostracized and accused of being carriers of syphilis. They were unwanted in England and unwelcome in Canada. "My father became a ward of the Waifs and Strays Society when he was four years old. He never saw his family again," Perry said. "When he was no longer in care, he wrote letters, pleading with them to 'help one who has been in darkness, and ignorant as to who he is,'" Perry said. For 50 years his father wrote to the Waifs and Strays Society trying to get information about himself and his family. "He never had a birth certificate. He had nothing to verify who he was for the first 33 years of his life," Perry said. "For the next 15 years, he carried a tattered To Whom It May Concern letter stating his name and identifying him as 'of British nationality.'" According to Perry, his father received his baptism certificate when he was 48 years old, but was still unable to identify his parents or locate his family at the time of his death on his still-unconfirmed 85th birthday in 1994. It took a year for Perry to obtain his father's case file from the Children's Society: "I discovered they withheld from my father the information he so desperately sought all his life and they didn't readily give it to me," Perry said. "They denied they had information, presented false information, and lied to my father and me," he added. After four more years of searching, Perry finally identified his grandparents and located four uncles and aunts. Perry wonders why this organization didn't want his father to know who he was, and was intrigued by the lengths to which the agency went to irrevocably sever family ties. He can't understand why many of the sending agencies continue to withhold information that would allow millions to reunite with their families. "I hope the successful conclusion of my search will inspire others to persist until they re-establish their familial ties," Perry said. "No one should live their lives without knowing who they are and to whom they belong -- it is your birthright to know your heritage," he concluded. ================= There have been many letters and queries about British Home Children -- also, there have been some successes --but the census is needed to definitely locate the children. One problem is "change of surname" to that of the family with whom the child was living. One would have to also use church records to ascertain the children of the family -- the other ones would be possibly the Home Children. Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> Canada Census Committee