>>>>>>>>>> MAY BE FORWARDED<<<<<<< To all signing NON-CANADIAN Petitions:- http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census/petition.htm Search this site until you find the Non-Canadian Petition for usage in the Senate by Senator Lorna Milne. When printing the pages, please adjust if necessary so that:- The first page begins with Supporting Petition To The Government of Canada For The Release of Post 1901 Census Records We, the undersigned citizens (or residents) of __________ [insert name of country] After the "prayer" (statement) there is a place to tell where the signatures have been collected Below that is my address The second page has spaces for 25 signatures. Attach both pages (or I will) and mail to me. I often have to fix up these petitions -- otherwise, after Senator Milne deposits them with a statement, they are carefully scrutenized. I hate filing things in File 13 -- would not want YOUR Signatures ending up there by over-zealous scrutineers. Looking forward to many more NON-CANADIAN and CANADIAN Petitions for the Senate -- House of Commons ones are for Canada only and go to Gordon Watts -- his address is given. Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> 25 Crestview Avenue Brampton, Ontario L6W 2R8 Canada NOTE:- All Petitions are given to Senator Milne!!

TO ALL LISTERS:- I will assist anyone writing a Letter to the Editor, send the letter to me -- privately -- I will send it back the same way. ---------------------------------------- http://www.webwombat.com.au/intercom/newsprs/index.htm http://www.chebucto.ns.ca/Media/newspapers.html ================== The above newspaper URLs were posted during the past few days. There was another one -- now inaccessible, The first one listed above has been changed to http://www.onlinenewspapers.com/ A chart opens up -- newspapers available from around the world. I clicked on CANADA -- you have a choice of "alphabetically" or by "province" -- the lists are printable -- then I find my contact editor's name and copy this beside the name of the newspaper. The second URL above is very interesting -- one can even learn Gaelic or have a trip along Nova Scotia's Eastern Shore No. 7 Highway, etc. Above all -- we request all who want census records released to write to the Editor as given for Letters to the Editor. You will find many papers are very interested -- try The Hill Times, Ottawa, this newspaper is "up" on all the latest goings-on at Parliament Hill. Remember -- these are "online" newspapers -- you might also like to send signed letters, full address and a phone number, to YOUR local paper. If every family researcher did this, possibly we might eventually obtain the Report of the Expert Panel. We NEED to do everything we can possibly do to let the government know the Members of Parliament have a responsibility to US - the PEOPLE. Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> Canada Census Committee http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census/index6.htm

Greetings All I received an email from Statcan this morning that indicated that although my ATI request was refused, the requested documented is required to be released within 90 days of receipt of my request. This regardless of any change in the head of the Ministry or change in Government because of an election. It remains to be seen if that 90 days starts from 18 September, or my original request to Industry Canada, in which case the date starts from 21 August. I will be seeking clarification on this but I suspect it will be the latter date. I also received an email from Senator Lorna Milne giving URLs for the Hansard transcripts of the Committee of the Whole of the Senate with new Privacy Commissioner, George Radwanski. I copy it here for those interested. As the length of it will cause a word wrap to the next line the link will not be clickable. You will have to include the whole link for it to be useable. <<Debates - Issue 80 - October 16, 2000.url>> http://www.parl.gc.ca/36/2/parlbus/chambus/senate/deb-e/80db_2000-10 -16-e.htm I have not yet check this out myself but will do so this afternoon. Happy Hunting. Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. Ronald Patrick" <rpatrick@niagara.com> To: "NOVA-SCOTIA-L@rootsweb. com" <NOVA-SCOTIA-L@rootsweb.com>; "Gordon A. WATTS" <gordon_watts@telus.net> Sent: Tuesday, 17 October, 2000 6:22 AM Subject: RE: [LL] Response to ATI Request for Report of Expert Panel With a new privacy Commissioner (Bruce Philips is gone) and a new Minister of Industry (Brian "Captain Canada" Tobin) this morning, it does indeed remain to be seen what now will happen to the Report. In a Senate hearing on TV last night the new Privacy Commissioner was sympathetic to a compromise solution to the release of Census post-1901. I dont know what that means, but Senator Milne was happy with his answer to her question at least. There is also the CBC projection that an election is to be called for Nov 26 or Nov27... ROn -----Original Message----- From: Gordon A. WATTS [mailto:gordon_watts@telus.net] Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 11:33 PM To: LUNEN-LINKS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [LL] Response to ATI Request for Report of Expert Panel Greetings All. This morning I received an email from the Access to Information and Privacy Officer of Statistics Canada giving me advance notice that the Official response to my ATI Request for the Report of the Expert Panel on Access to Historic Census Records was to be mailed today. The response is that my ATI Request is being refused on the basis that John Manley "intends to make the Expert Panel's report available to the public as soon as possible. It will be posted on the Statistics Canada web site; paper copies will also be made available on request." In view of the rumoured Cabinet shuffle, and imminent federal election it remains to be seen if Mr. Manley will be around to make that Report available to the public. Under ATI a request may be refused if the information requested is expected to be published within 90 days after the request is made. That means that we could still wait up to 18 December for the report. If my original ATI request to Industry Canada had been forwarded to Statistics Canada as per the ATI Act, instead of being refused, that 90 day period would expire on 21 November. I have submitted a complaint on the original refusal to the Information Commissioner. While the refusal to submit the Report of the Expert Panel as per my request was not entirely unexpected, on the grounds stated, it was nevertheless disappointing. We hope that the Report will be posted to the Statcan website soon. This afternoon I sent an email to Prime Minister Chretien requesting that he take steps to see the immediate steps to see the Report of the Expert Panel released to the Public. Time will tell. Happy Hunting. Gordon A. WATTS gordon_watts@telus.net Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC Keep up to date on Post 1901 Census information at http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census and http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Farm/7843/poll.html Download and circulate Post 1901 Census Petitions now from http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census/petition.htm This message has been posted to the Alberta-L, Canada-Census-Campaign-L, Can-British-Columbia-L, Census-Chat-L, Colchester, Lunen-Links-L, Nova-Scotia-L, Ontario-L, PictouRoots, Roots-L, Watts-L, and Wiltshire-EMI-L mail lists. Permission to forward without notification is granted. ==== LUNEN-LINKS Mailing List ==== Have you signed a post 1901 census petition or written a letter?

Posted on <http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Farm/7843/poll.html> Following is the text of the article by Dean Jobb that appeared in the Halifax Sunday Herald: January 5, 2000. FOR THE RECORD: KEEP CENSUS OPEN By Dean Jobb MY BRANCH of the Jobb family came to Nova Scotia from Ireland in 1823. So says the document granting land in Wallace, Cumberland County, to my great-great-great grandfather, one Thomas Job. He signed the paper with a shaky X, which explains why some of my ancestors felt free to add another "b" to the surname while others thought it was cool to tack on an "e." But that's another story and not the point of this dip into my family history. Based on the land grant, I could assume Job or Jobb or even Jobe is an Irish name and that I should head to Ireland if I want to trace my roots further. But a census taken many years later tells a different story. In response to a question on country of birth, Thomas Job identified himself as a Scot. Ireland, it turns out, was only a stopover on the way to the New World. We Jobbs are as Scottish as any MacDonald. Luckily for me, my family has been in Canada long enough to show up in the records of censuses conducted before 1911. But privacy concerns are threatening to make it impossible for historians, genealogists and other researchers to access newer instalments of this treasure trove of information. The issue is access to the detailed records complied as census takers did the rounds, poking into citizens' private business with questions about age, family structure, marital status, ethnic origin, religion and occupation. There was even a politically incorrect query to determine whether anyone in the household was "blind, deaf or dumb, crazy or lunatic, idiotic or silly." The data collected on population trends has always been a valuable public resource. The detailed records identifying each respondent, however, have been kept secret, by law, for 92 years, then released through the National Archives. So researchers who mine these records to link families or better understand our history were expecting to get their hands on the 1911 census in the year 2003. The process has been derailed by the federal Privacy Act, which stipulates any guarantee of privacy made to collect data must be honoured. Those polled for the census since 1906 have been promised their answers will remain confidential. Statistics Canada - faced with the letter of the law and fearing respondents will clam up for the 2001 count and future censuses - refuses to make the records public, even though few 1911 respondents are alive to assert their privacy rights. The decision has created a minor but nasty political storm. Genealogists are a feisty, well-connected bunch and they have used their formidable presence on the Internet to press for access. Their letter-writing campaign to MPs and senators has put the issue on the political agenda. A private bill to open the 1911 and subsequent censuses, put forward by a Liberal senator from Ontario, Lorna Milne, is expected to be debated in the Senate next month. "The records of the 20th century," she argues, "should not be forever concealed from the public's eyes." [Her Bill, S-15 has had Second Reading] In response, the federal government has struck a blue-ribbon panel of scholars to see if a compromise can be reached that protects privacy while providing some measure of access. Their report is due by the end of May. Genealogists argue at least the basic facts should be accessible, so people can trace their family tree. But it's tough to know where to draw the line - medical researchers, for instance, could better study the incidence of disease by examining the complete records. Surely the 92-year waiting period is sufficient to protect the privacy of individuals. The United States, which operates with a 72-year waiting period, is about to release its 1930 census with no public outcry. The sensible solution is to continue to open all census records, so we can better understand the history of our families, our communities and our country. Everybody has a right to know if any of their ancestors were ever classified as "silly." Staff Reporter Dean Jobb's column appears every week in The Sunday Herald. E-mail: djobb@herald.ns.ca ======================= We sincerely hope Dean Jobb writes an updated column very shortly, but - we have yet to learn the Report of the Expert Panel - many politicians will not state YES or NO due to lack of this report - there may be a change in minister responsible for census Many thanks, to Dean Jobb, for above Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census/index6.htm Canada Census Committee

Greetings All. This morning I received an email from the Access to Information and Privacy Officer of Statistics Canada giving me advance notice that the Official response to my ATI Request for the Report of the Expert Panel on Access to Historic Census Records was to be mailed today. The response is that my ATI Request is being refused on the basis that John Manley "intends to make the Expert Panel's report available to the public as soon as possible. It will be posted on the Statistics Canada web site; paper copies will also be made available on request." In view of the rumoured Cabinet shuffle, and imminent federal election it remains to be seen if Mr. Manley will be around to make that Report available to the public. Under ATI a request may be refused if the information requested is expected to be published within 90 days after the request is made. That means that we could still wait up to 18 December for the report. If my original ATI request to Industry Canada had been forwarded to Statistics Canada as per the ATI Act, instead of being refused, that 90 day period would expire on 21 November. I have submitted a complaint on the original refusal to the Information Commissioner. While the refusal to submit the Report of the Expert Panel as per my request was not entirely unexpected, on the grounds stated, it was nevertheless disappointing. We hope that the Report will be posted to the Statcan website soon. This afternoon I sent an email to Prime Minister Chretien requesting that he take steps to see the immediate steps to see the Report of the Expert Panel released to the Public. Time will tell. Happy Hunting. Gordon A. WATTS gordon_watts@telus.net Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC Keep up to date on Post 1901 Census information at http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census and http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Farm/7843/poll.html Download and circulate Post 1901 Census Petitions now from http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census/petition.htm This message has been posted to the Alberta-L, Canada-Census-Campaign-L, Can-British-Columbia-L, Census-Chat-L, Colchester, Lunen-Links-L, Nova-Scotia-L, Ontario-L, PictouRoots, Roots-L, Watts-L, and Wiltshire-EMI-L mail lists. Permission to forward without notification is granted.

Many thanks, Allan! I hope to start a list of all ONLINE census records in all Canadian provinces. We know Newfoundland has census online up to at least 1935, possibly later. Should you, or anyone else, locate other ONLINE census records, I will add these to my file as information for others. Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> Canada Census Committee "Allen E. Humphries" wrote: <allenh@gis.net> > The Nova Scotia GenWeb Project (at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~canns/index.html ) has the Census data. > Go to their site and select "Online Databases". Here's what they offer. > > Census Data > 1838 Nova Scotia Census > 1871 Nova Scotia Census - Halifax East Download - Excel format (241 KB) > 1881 Nova Scotia Census - Boularderie Download - Excel format (206 KB) > 1891 Antigonish County Census - .zip file for downloading > 1881 Inverness County Census - .zip file for downloading > 1891 Inverness County Census - .zip file for downloading > Nova Scotia Tax Assessment - 1765 Download - Excel format (173 KB) > Nova Scotia Census Returns - 1770-1787 > Nova Scotia Capitation and Assessment Tax Rolls - 1791-1795 > >

Posted by J. Ronald Patrick, NIAGARA-ONT-L@rootsweb.com list. ----------------------------- Your tombstone stands among the rest; Neglected and alone. The name and date are chiseled out On polished marble stone. It reaches out to all who care It is too late to mourn. You did not know that I exist You died and I was born. Yet each of us are cells of you In flesh,in blood,in bone. Our blood contracts and beats a pulse. Entirely not our own. Dear Ancestor, the place you filled One hundred years ago Spreads out among the ones you left Who would have loved you so. I wonder if you lived and loved, I wonder if you knew That someday I would find this spot, And come to visit you. Author Unknown

16 October 2000 Rt. Honourable Jean Chretien Prime Minister of Canada Sir: As someone representing thousands, perhaps millions, of Canadian citizens who seek their ancestry, and their Canadian Heritage through information available in Historic Census Records, I am greatly concerned about media reports this past weekend that the Hon. John Manley, an elected representative of the people and current Minister of Industry, will likely be replaced by Brian Tobin, current Premier of Newfoundland, perhaps as early as tomorrow. Aside from my personal objection to an individual who has not been elected being placed as one of the leaders of the country, I am greatly concerned regarding the disposition of the Report of the Expert Panel on Access to Historic Census Records commissioned by the Hon. John Manley 12 November 1999. Sir, I submit for your consideration the following; * Statistics Canada refuses to relinquish control of past Census records to the National Archives * The major objection of Statistics Canada in this refusal is based upon a "promise" of never ending confidentiality they claim was made by the Government of Sir Wilfrid Laurier in 1905/06. * Despite many requests to do so, neither Statistics Canada nor previous Privacy Commissioner Bruce Phillips have been able to produce any documented proof that any such "promise" was ever made. * Regulation 6.(d) attached to the current Privacy Act provides for Census records that have been transferred to the control of the National Archives to be "disclosed to any person or body for research or statistical purposes" 92 years following collection. *As a result of lobbying by thousands of Canadian citizens, others living elsewhere but having "roots" in Canada, and Historical and Genealogical societies, the Expert Panel was commissioned by the Hon. John Manley to study and make recommendations regarding access to Historic Census Records. * The Report of the Expert Panel was presented to the office of John Manley 30 June 2000, one month later than the original date expected. Despite numerous requests to release this Report to the public, Mr. Manley has yet to do so. We see no reason for his reluctance to release the Report. * Media reports indicate that newly appointed Privacy Commissioner George Radwanski told a Committee of the House that the Report of the Expert Panel recommended allowing public access to Historic Census Records. *Access to Historic Census records has been subject of discussion since the early 1970s, a period of some thirty years. During this period a number of prominent individuals and reports have recommended allowing public access to those records. * News of the possible replacement of John Manley by Brian Tobin, and the likelihood of an impending election could not have come at a worse time for those of us who have worked constantly for the past three years to obtain access to Historic Census Records. We had thought we were close to reaping the fruits of our labour. It is my assumption that there has been considerable work done "behind the scenes" by Mr. Manley, and others seeking to address the concerns of we who wish access to Historic Census. There is concern that with the expected imminent election that work will be lost. Mr. Prime Minister, I call upon you to do the following: * Take immediate steps, today, to have the Report of the Expert Panel on Access to Historic Census Records released to the public. Please do so before any removal of John Manley from the position of Minister of Industry takes place. * Assuming the return of a Liberal Government after the expected election, bring forward the assumed work done by Mr. Manley, and others, relating to access to Historic Census. * Again assuming the return of a Liberal Government, make Access to Historic Census a priority, and bring down an early Bill to allow that access, prior to collection of the 2001 Census. Mr. Prime Minister, I am certain that you will give most serious consideration to the points and suggestions listed above. For that you have my most sincere thanks. I would very much appreciate an early, and personal response to this message. Respectfully, Gordon A. WATTS gordon_watts@telus.net Canada Census Committee 1455 Delia Drive Port Coquitlam, BC V3C 2V9 Tel (604) 942-6889 Fax (604) 942-6843

To the Rt. Hon. Jean Chretien, Prime Minister:- Many of us felt very badly when Pierre Trudeau passed away, but deep down, knew he was finally free of pain from cancer. We grieved with you, with other Canadians, and will miss newspaper reports about him. When I sent a Letter of Sympathy to you, on behalf of the Canada Census Committee Members, I felt a fitting legacy and tribute to The Rt. Hon. Pierre Elliott Trudeau, a family man, would be the release of the Report of the Expert panel, followed by the safe passage of any Bills concerning immediate release of our Canadian census records. (Did your staff even let you read the Letter of Sympathy -- no reply!!) You -- or your advisors -- ignored all this, but you have stumbled blindly along, renaming a mountain peak, which had already been named after a famous explorer. http://www.savemtlogan.com/mountlogan/index.htm We feel, at this time, should you continue stumbling along under someone's ill-advisement, that you should prepare for retirement plans. We will miss you, I know, but government will go on. The country cannot afford a federal election -- just to get ahead of Stockwell Day or Joe Clark. Why have you not brought Jean Charest back to the House of Commons in some capacity -- not just Brian Tobin, without an election????? We have promised, and will do so, to publish the Scoreboard standings in all provinces -- family researchers will be voting for those who have agreed to census release -- Fence Sitters do not count - YOU are one. Just a Very Concerned Canadian!!! Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> Canada Census Committee http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census/index6.htm

http://www.savemtlogan.com/mountlogan/index.htm To all:- When The Rt. Hon. Pierre Elliott Trudeau died, I sent a letter of sympathy from the Canada Census Committee to our Prime Minister, the Rt. Hon. Jean Chretien. In the letter, I suggested there be a fitting legacy and tribute to Trudeau, a family man, and felt there could be none better than the release of our post-1901 census records. Check the URL -- you will be able to see what Chretien did on October 4 -- the scenery is beautiful, but ..... the name was nice! Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> Canada Census Committee

Many thanks, Barbara -- but it hurts!! I have worked hard for all, and will continue to do so -- regardless of some listowners. I am so happy you have been able to have the gene identified, but am sorry you are a carrier. Last spring a number of us combined talents (and diseases) to send "Genetically Inherited Diseases" to the Expert Panel -- Dr. Pamela White said all members were interested. http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census >>>>>> Other Sites I have copied this to the CENSUS list -- as others may also have the same problem -- You may hear from Roz Griston, for one. Again, many thanks for words of appreciation!!! Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> Canada Census Committee "B. Benware Burt" wrote: > Sorry to read you've been unsubbed by the imperious John Merz. You are > doing a great job and I'm sure your efforts are appreciated by many, > particularly those searching for answers to genetic questions. I had > written to you earlier in the year as I had been searching for the answer to a > clearly genetically linked "disease" or ailment that had afflicted my family, > causing widespread premature death of liver disease. I've since located it. > Hemochromatosis. Had myself tested for the gene (not being able to test the > dead) and found I am a carrier. Have been able to notify rest of family at > large family reunion this summer. Your efforts are deeply appreciated and > may your wear your unsubbing as a badge of honor!Barbara Benware Burt

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>>>>> MAY BE TRANSLATED AND FORWARDED<<<<<< To the MANY family researchers in the large province of Quebec:- I know many people are researching for family members unknown to them at the present time. I have answered many queries, have four translators ready to deal verbally with the French language, as my attempts might offend readers. The Members of Parliament from Quebec are the least-caring of any province, except in Newfoundland -- many are Liberal, others Bloc. Even the Prime Minister refuses to say YES or NO/OUI ou NON whether he will SUPPORT Post-1901 census records release -- so ordinary people may get on with their research. I live in Brampton, Ontario -- about 35 miles from the home of the Quebec listowner, who resides in Hamilton, Ontario. I feel it is up to the people of Quebec to not want census memos!!! It is a sad day when most of the support for Quebec is coming from United States, according to memos received. Basically, IF every Quebec researcher wrote to his/her Member of Parliament, asking that the census records be released, we might see a change in the Member of Parliament Scoreboard at: http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census/index6.htm Write to me in either French or English language, your query will be answered. IF any lister does not like the census postings, complain to me, please. I will then assume you are not a family researcher, but that is hard to believe, as Quebec is a family-oriented province, even with AUDET and other large families heritage. I make no apologies -- I have been working for all of you, but the listowner is deciding for YOU -- it would be nice to have Quebec residents decide!!! Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> Canada Census Committee [Brampton, Ontario] hrrp://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Farm/7843/poll.html

Greetings All FYI Gordon =========================== 15 October 2000 Editor National Post Online Sir: Re: "PM lures Tobin back to cabinet." (NP Online - 14 October 2000 - Joan Bryden) As I approach my 59th birthday at the end of the month, I have spent most of my life believing that we lived in a Democracy, where the leaders of the country were elected by the people. It would appear that I was mistaken. If, as the article states "There is no constitutional obstacle to making someone a Cabinet minister even though they are not a member of Parliament", there should be. If the PM can include one non-elected member in the Cabinet what is to prevent him from making up the Cabinet entirely of non-elected members. How can someone not elected sit in the House of Commons? How can someone with no accountability to Parliament and the people of the country be made the head of a Ministry? The last time I looked, a Government run like this was called a Dictatorship. The PM would do well to reconsider his decision in this matter. If he wishes to bring Brian Tobin back into the Federal fold, let him do so after Mr. Tobin has been duly elected by the people. Gordon A. WATTS gordon_watts@telus.net Canada Census Committee 1455 Delia Drive Port Coquitlam, BC V3C 2V9 Tel (604) 942-6889 Fax (604) 942-6843 Keep up to date on Post 1901 Census information at http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census and http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Farm/7843/poll.html Download and circulate Post 1901 Census Petitions now from http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census/petition.htm

Hi Wayne Was that a "Freudian Slip" in the spelling of his name in the second paragraph? <]:-) NFLD joined confederation in 1949 and Census there is available up to 1946. Don't know that this fact would be of benefit to us in relation to Tobin as he would not have been on the scene at that time. I stand to be corrected but I think that prior to Confederation the Census in Newfoundland was released immediately. Paul Martin would probably be very upset with the concept of Brian Tobin taking over the reins however I suspect something like that must have enticed Tobin to come back to the Federal scene. Provincially he was the "head cheese" so to speak, while Federally, at the moment, he would only be "one of the bunch." While there may not be any Constitutional obstacle to someone who has not been elected sitting in the Cabinet, I would think there should be something that would prevent them from sitting in the House as a member of Parliament. That does not mean that if something came up that required a response from the Industry Minister he could not be invited into the House as a visitor. If, however, as all indications point to, there will be an election called by 22 October I think the odds of that happening are minimal. Happy Hunting. Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Cook" <wtcook@idirect.com> To: "Gordon A. WATTS" <gordon_watts@telus.net> Sent: Sunday, 15 October, 2000 2:14 AM Subject: Re: [CCC] Cabinet Shuffle Hi Gordon, Now I am confused. How does Brian Tobin sit in the House at question period if he does not have a seat? The fact that Brain comes from a province where they release censuses up to I think it's when they joined confederation in 1948 may help but who says if he runs in the next election he is still Industry Minister. I wish Jean would step down and let Paul Martin take over. TTYL Regards Wayne Cook http://www.waynecook.com (A History Television Approved Site) and your Host for the Simcoe County Genweb page at http://www.waynecook.com/simcoe.shtml Wasaga Beach, Ontario, Canada 1. Historic Plaques of Ontario 655 Plaques online, part of the Historic Plaques of the World Project, Provincial & State Hosts neededl 2. The Canadian Query Boards at http://www.waynecook.com/bulletin.html ----- Original Message ----- From: Gordon A. WATTS <gordon_watts@telus.net> > In addition to Jacqui's posting to the list, I had an email this > morning telling me that Brian Tobin, Newfoundland Premier, could > replace John Manley as Industry Minister as early as Tuesday. My > response was to ask how someone who had not been elected

>>>>>>> The following may be translated and forwarded <<<<<<<< To all family historians, using the census records:- We are all hoping the various Bills before the Senate and House of Commons will be passed and the 1911 Canadian census records will be available for viewing in 2003. QUEBEC does not show a very good picture on the Member of Parliament Scoreboard, to be found at:- http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census/index6.htm The Scoreboard will be printed prior to a federal election -- we would like only two (2) colors: GOLD - YES and RED - NO. The October 7, 2000 Scoreboard totals were:- YES - 107 / NO - 8 / FENCES (Yes/No) - 53 and NO Reply - 140 - There are 53 sitting on little pieces of GREEN FENCE, signifying Yes/No (we do not know) including 1 Bloc Quebecois; 7 Liberal Members from Quebec - total of 8 Fence Sitters! - The BLUE ? means the elected Member of Parliament could not be bothered to answer his/her constituent or other. Of the total of 140, there are 18 Liberal Members, 39 Bloc Quebecois and 2 Independent from Quebec -- total of 59 who have not answered. [There are ONLY 75 Members of Parliament in Quebec] Many thanks to the 6 Members of Parliament who have expressed SUPPORT re Motion M-160 (Jason Kenney on Sept. 20, 2000); Bill S-15 by Senator Lorna Milne, has had second reading; Bill C-484 by Murray Calder has had first reading; Bill C-312 by Mac Harb had first reading. Go to: http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census Choose OTHER SITES -- there is a great deal to read, including my own submission to the Expert Panel re Genetically Inherited Diseases. IF every family researcher wrote to his/her Member of Parliament, it would be great -- also implore John Manley to read the Report, received June 30, 2000 -- let's ask him what is the holdup!!! Any answers, let me know, please! With a possible election, it is time they made a commitment to YOU -- they want YOUR votes! French language answers <jeannine.ouellet@sympatico.ca> French language answers to <lucevic@nbnet.nb.ca> Both languages to me - <davidson3542@home.com> Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> Canada Census Committee http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Farm/7843/poll.html

Muriel: Have you seen or read the latest issue of the ARCHIVIST (the free mag from Archives Canada)? There are excellent articles in this issue of interviews with the Historian Archivists from the start to today's Ian A. WILSON - he states in part :- "Every generation is searching, asking different questions of the past,looking into the records for some kind of insight" No doubt every MP gets a free copy lets hope they will read this issue and understand why we want an open archives on the census. Frank McKerry mckerry@home.com ================================= Many thanks, Frank, for bringing this article to my attention. I do not receive the ARCHIVIST magazine -- will have to look into this. The article seems worthy of reproduction with credit, of course. I have copied in Gordon Watts who may know more about this. If it is FREE, you may be certain Members of Parliament will avail themselves of it -- IF he/she reads the article is another question. Muriel M. Davidson <davidson35422home.com>

Hi Phyllis:- The 1901 Canadian census records were made available to all of us in 1993, 92 years after being taken. Unless Doug Joudrey or someone else in Alberta knows about any recording of census for online, you will have to view these the same way we do:- - Go to your LDS Centre, or to your library - Order in the microfiche of the area you are researching. - When noting records, include film number for reference. Some libraries have these films on hand, and it does require tedious hours scrolling through the many families. The 1906 census records should have been released in 1998 -- but the ones we elected decided otherwise. We invite you to join our fight to get the 1906, 1911 and future census records released automatically to the National Archives. The films are there already but we, the descendants, are not privileged to vire them. Get after your Member of Parliament to see if he or she supports release. Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> Canada Census Committee http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census/index6.htm leonard baillie wrote: > Hi Muriel:I just received a message that we can view census records up to > 1901. Could you please tell me at what address I can find these? I would > greatly appreciate. Thanks.Phyllis from Calgary

Good Morning Muriel & Phyllis, I see that Phyllis is writing from Alberta . There is an online census index for Alberta at the following site: http://www.agsedm.edmonton.ab.ca/1901_census_202_online.html Cheers, Stella At 12:49 AM 10/15/00 -0400, Muriel M. Davidson wrote: >Hi Phyllis:- >The 1901 Canadian census records were made available to all of us >in 1993, 92 years after being taken. >Unless Doug Joudrey or someone else in Alberta knows about any >recording of census for online, you will have to view these the same >way we do:- >- Go to your LDS Centre, or to your library >- Order in the microfiche of the area you are researching. >- When noting records, include film number for reference. > >Some libraries have these films on hand, and it does require tedious >hours scrolling through the many families. > >The 1906 census records should have been released in 1998 -- but the >ones we elected decided otherwise. > >We invite you to join our fight to get the 1906, 1911 and future census >records released automatically to the National Archives. The films are >there already but we, the descendants, are not privileged to vire them. > >Get after your Member of Parliament to see if he or she supports release. > >Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> >Canada Census Committee >http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census/index6.htm > >leonard baillie wrote: > > > Hi Muriel:I just received a message that we can view census records up to > > 1901. Could you please tell me at what address I can find these? I would > > greatly appreciate. Thanks.Phyllis from Calgary

Hi Mary Anne I appreciate your comments regarding Brian Tobin and will have to accept them at face value as I have had no dealings with him and know only what I see in occasional media headlines. What concerns me here is the timing. I find it odd that Chretien would conduct a Cabinet shuffle less than a week before it is expected he would dissolve Parliament and call a Federal Election. I find it odder still that he would place someone who has not been elected into the Cabinet even though there is apparently no constitutional obstacle to doing that. If in fact there is to be an election called, why the rush to cannonball Tobin in. One might wonder also how Finance Minister Paul Martin is taking the news that Tobin has ambitions to replace Chretien. Martin has long been touted as the one who would replace Chretien. Had Brian Tobin gone through the normal routine of nomination, campaigning and election I would have no problem with his being given the post of Industry Minister and Minister responsible for Statistics Canada. I have concerns however with this exchange taking place before the release to the public of the Expert Panel on Access to Historic Census. I am concerned also that any behind the scenes preparation of a Bill to allow access to Historic Census that John Manley might have been working on will now go down the drain. All in all, it is my opinion that both the likelihood of an impending election, and the news of Brian Tobin being brought into the Cabinet and made Industry Minister without being elected, have come at a very poor time for our campaign. Happy Hunting. Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Anne Bohaker" <ariana@hfx.eastlink.ca> To: <CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN-L-request@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, 14 October, 2000 7:14 PM Subject: Re: [CCC] Brian Tobin our new Industry Minister?? <snip> Hi Jacquie, I also saw this on the news and am very, very hopeful. Mr. Tobin is well thought of here in the Maritimes as being a politician who not only listens to public opinion but acts on behalf of the people regardless of what might be politically approved. We fondly remember him as "The Tobinator", our hero in The Great Turbot War :) :) :) Mary Anne Halifax ----------------- FindersKeepers Specializing in Nova Scotia Books, History & Genealogy in or out of print. Email: finderskeepers@hfx.eastlink.ca URL: COMING SOON!